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We all took foreign languages in school and none of us can actually speak those languages

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  • Skullgrid@lemmy.world ⁨33⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    I am the world’s shittiest polyglot. I lost a lot of my native language, turkish. I can get by. I speak english, but my accent is getting worse. I studied german in school for 5 years and forgot most of it. I live in the river plate, so the shitty amount of intermediate spanish I can speak has one of the worst accents for spanish, just behind tied first of caribbean and chilean. I can READ cyrillic, but not understand it, except few words whichever language has in common with languages I know. I can recognize some chinese glyphs, and understand some words.

    I have no idea about any grammar words except the obvious ones (verb, noun) and get as much use of IPAs as I do IPAs (the pronunciation guide/the beer)

    I have seen the vowel chart a billion times and still don’t understand it.

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  • DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Most people who take a language in school don’t keep at it. We’re just doing it because it’s required, and to pass the class. I took French in high school. The only person I’ve ever met who spoke French fluently was my teacher. I really should have taken Spanish, but I wanted to be “different”.

    In Europe, also, because of the open borders, and being packed so close together, people encounter foreign languages far more frequently. It makes sense they’d all want to, and benefit from, knowing multiple languages. And, they’d have more opportunities to practice. Not many Japanese speak a second language, compared to Europeans, for instance.

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  • ivanafterall@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Ah, ma petit chou… Voulez-vous couchez avec mois ce soir?

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    • bhamlin@lemmy.world ⁨47⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Pourquoi le crocodile a-t-il tué le macaron avec la pièce de vingt-cinq cents plaquée nickel?

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  • El_guapazo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    US high schools will graduate students with missing elective credits. They won’t allow a falling grade from that rite of passage. Administrators have the power to change a grade in spite of a teacher’s documentation

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  • TabbsTheBat@pawb.social ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I took english in school, and I speak it all the time :3

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    • frog@feddit.uk ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Good job. English is a very hard language that barely uses logic.

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      • lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        All languages have their difficulties. English pronunciation and spelling is a mess but grammar is easy for example. My native language has 3 genders and 4 cases for example and there are languages with more.

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      • Hapankaali@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        English is one of the easiest languages in the world to learn.

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      • Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Have you tried French?

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      • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Chinese and Arabic speakers laugh at me when I say this.

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      • TabbsTheBat@pawb.social ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It really is illogical lol :3 I tried teaching my parents before and trying to explain why all 3 Es in mercedes or all 3 Cs in pacific ocean make different sounds like “they just do”

        Though my native language is quite hard for non-native speakers as well

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      • aeronmelon@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Me, an English teacher: nods somberly

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    • Mickey7@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      doesn’t count

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  • AndyMFK@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    My school taught Indonesian. It was a very popular complaint among students that we should be learning a more ubiquitous language like French, German, Japanese, Mandarin, or Spanish.

    The only thing I know in Indonesian is ular besar (big snake)

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    • sheogorath@lemmy.world ⁨32⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Well, around 300 people speaks Indonesian. Soo, if looking at raw speaker count, Indonesian can be categorized as ubiquitous.

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    • Skullgrid@lemmy.world ⁨38⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      ular besar (big snake)

      😉

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  • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    I got out of the language requirement in college by taking computer science courses, which counted as “language” only because programming languages are called what they are. It is just the dumbest fucking shit. If they were called “paradigms” or “code instruction sets” or something like that (which would be just as or more accurate than “languages”) it never would have occurred to anyone to let us computer nerds – who are already not exactly well-rounded in general – to get out of learning a real fucking language.

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  • DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I had a co-worker who took a few semesters of Spanish in high school, she got all As, and then went on a class trip to Mexico. At first, she couldn’t understand a thing, but she said as she listened and tried, “something snapped” and suddenly she got it.

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  • idiomaddict@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I took Spanish from age 12-22 and German from 18-23 and 29-31.

    I speak both those languages, though my Spanish is rusty, because I moved to Germany and don’t have much contact with Spanish speakers.

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    • HugeNerd@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      How’s your Turkish?

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      • Skullgrid@lemmy.world ⁨37⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        Abi, I got the reference

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      • idiomaddict@lemmy.world ⁨54⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        I never took it in school, and I don’t have much contact with it now either. I’m picking up some Arabic now though.

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  • KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yritän oppia suomen, mutta unohdin harjoitella kuukausin ajan

    (If I made a mistake tell me)

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    • Akasazh@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Where you randomly pressing buttons?

      j/k but Finnish does feel like that

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  • ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I did but I had after-school classes because I sucked at taekwondo and football, lol. So I learned French and ended up moving to France, eventually becoming a national, and also learned English and ended up marrying a Brit. 🤷

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    • Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Went here too, but married a local ☺️! Gotta do that paperwork for the french nationality though, bureaucracy is wild here.

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      • ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Congrats! 🎉 And yeah, I hate French bureaucracy, it’s France’s truest stereotype, lol.

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  • PKscope@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’ve tried no less than 4 times to learn Spanish. High school, twice out of school, and then uni. It’s just not getting through. I’m a communications graduate, so it’s not like language isn’t one of my strong points… Just doesn’t seem to carry over to any other language.

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    • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Maybe unsolicited advice but I have gotten my Spanish to a decent level, and I’ll paste a comment I made a year ago somewhere else below if you want to hear the method I used.

      warning: long

      So first, set your expectations. Learning a language takes a lot of time. A LOT. How long overall really depends on how much time per day you do it. But rest assured, if you do stick with it you are going to learn it. If you dedicated every waking hour, you could get to a high level in maybe half a year. But you’d have no life and would probably burn out. A more reasonable pace is 1.5-2 years. That sounds like a lot, but remember you don’t have to be fully fluent for it to be useful and to make connections in the language. Even after a couple months, you’ll be able to do a lot. And besides, two years is going to pass by anyway - the only question is do you want to be bilingual by the end of it? I highly, super recommend checking out Dreaming Spanish - it’s a channel/site that teaches Spanish through a method called comprehensible input. Basically, all you do is watch, listen, and read in Spanish totally in Spanish, no translations whatsoever. That sounds intimidating, but the beginner stages they really talk at you like you’re a baby almost. They talk with their hands a lot and use drawings. That’s the most important part, because in the beginning you won’t be able to understand any Spanish or hardly any. But by making it so simple you can basically understand even though you don’t know the words. After a hundred or so hours of this, you can move on to slightly less easy content. And so on and so on until you can understand just regular media in spanish. At that point, your learning will really take off, because you can watch things that you’re actually interested in and that will capture your attention more. They don’t do any explicit grammar or vocabulary practice. That’s on purpose, the arguments of comprehensible input is that language isn’t learned, it’s acquired. You didn’t learn English by rote memorization, you listened a lot. If you can hear a few words and make the connection to the meaning by watching, and then you hear that word dozens or hundreds of times more - you will have a better understanding of that word than a simple translation flashcard could ever give you. Because words don’t have just one meeting they’re complex and change in different situations. But the best part is through this method you won’t even realize that you’re learning these words. Same goes with grammar, with this method things just kind of sound right. You can use the correct grammar, but you might not necessarily be able to explain why. Just like native speakers. I’ve personally listened, or watched over a thousand hours of things in Spanish in a bit over a year. And at this point most media is almost as easy to watch as English for me. I also read the full Harry Potter series in Spanish. (It was rough at first, but after I got used to the writing style a lot of the times I’d forget it was in Spanish in the more exciting sections) I need to practice speaking more, I can definitely do it and be understood but it lacks pretty significantly behind my understanding but that is really just a question of how much practice I can get. But once you’ve banked 1k, 1.5k hours the rate at which your speaking will improve is way faster than the process of learning so far. Check out this this playlist of videos that really explains things in more depth. It has English subtitles you’ll have to turn on. youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlpPf-YgbU7GrtxQ9yde-J… They have a ton of free content, and if you want more you can pay just $8 a month - but honestly if you do a few hours a day after a couple months you’ll be able to just watch some YouTube videos of native speakers and you won’t really need dreaming Spanish anymore. But the site does have a handy hour tracker that you don’t need to pay for at all that I still use to this day. I’ve tried to learn French, german, and even Spanish before but until this try when I discovered this method, I didn’t really get anywhere. At this point I’m almost comfortable saying that I’m bilingual. And it really doesn’t take that much effort just make it a routine, and once you can get into more advanced and interesting videos just watch things that you’re interested in. When you really get good, you can just watch the TV shows and movies that you already like to watch, but put on the Spanish dub. It’s that easy. I’m not doing anything differently now than I was before I knew Spanish but I’m learning every day because I just do the things I normally did but in spanish! You can start their Super Beginner (most basic level) here: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlpPf-YgbU7GbOHc3siOGQ… But I’d recommend doing it on www.dreamingspanish.com where it will automatically track your watch time, let you filter by person/accent/level/topic, etc. The beginning is by far the hardest part. The least interesting videos, the least level of comprehension. It will feel like a chore. Luckily the beginning is where you have the most motivation to push through it.

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      • PKscope@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I’ll check it out. Thanks!

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    • crazycraw@crazypeople.online ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Hi! I remember that side, and the thing that separates isn’t the knowledge of the words in the language it’s the lack of ability to think in that language. instead of trying and failing at “enable real time translation from x language to my mother tongue” you must practice the language enough to think it. in your dreams and outloud. it starts to happen faster with immersion. but practice is the only means of success either way. your brain has to hear yourself speaking it to replay it at night.

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      • Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        That’s so weird, I don’t think or dream in a language.

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      • PKscope@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I think that’s a great point. That seems to be what the other person who replied to me is saying. Immersion is #1, changing my relationship to language and the voice in my head, so to speak.

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    • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Just move to Spain.

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    • TheBat@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Watch Narcos lmao

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  • Get_Off_My_WLAN@fedia.io ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Most people don't really understand how many total hours of purposeful learning and actual usage is needed to become proficient.

    For Japanese, it typically takes people who can't already read 漢字 about 1,325 hours to reach N3 (conversational), and 2,200 for N2 (roughly business). That means if you want to get to N2 in only one year, expect to study like five to eight hours a day.

    So don't feel too bad if you can't.

    Or do, and use that frustration to motivate your study.

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  • phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Aaaaand that would be me

    Countless hours of German and French and at best a few words remain

    Time well spent?

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    • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      I took German in high school and forgot it all immediately. A decade later I found myself in India studying Malayalam, the language of Kerala which is the southern-most state in the country. Very hard language to learn but as I was studying its formal grammar I was like, wait a minute this is very familiar. Turns out a German monk in the 19th Century visited Kerala and gave Malayalam its first formal grammar, which was basically just German’s grammar. So it wasn’t totally useless.

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    • SpongyAneurysm@feddit.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Hallo. Wie geht’s, mon ami?

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  • slothrop@lemmy.ca ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I took Latin in high school, but I pretend it’s esperanto to remain an oddball.

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    • mr_might44@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I took Latin too, but then I realised it was just French but even more boring too learn :/

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  • sparkles@piefed.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I retained enough to provide basic information to my ESL kiddos/parents, at least in Spanish. Use it or lose it, I really think.

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  • psoul@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Et bien vous savez quoi, on peut s’entraîner un peu. Pourquoi pas s’entraider? Je vous parle en français et vous me répondez en espagnol ?

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    • Sly2@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Que linda idéa. Siempre estoy feliz cuando tengo la opportunidad de practicar los dos con alguien! ☺️

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      • psoul@lemmy.world ⁨36⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        Ah merci. Ravi de vous parler en Français.

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    • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      ¿Que?

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    • mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      see I couldn’t respond to you verbally for that, but I am glad that my time learning french 15 years ago at least allows me to understand it when written out

      although I did have to confirm entraider meant what it looked like it meant

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  • Jankatarch@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I read a book going over chagatai tili in highschool for fun.

    I remember absolutely 0 words or grammar.

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  • sundaymidnight@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I read in English many years ago, but I’m not fluid speaker. My English is rigid. Then, you’re not the problem nor your teacher.

    Imagine you learning the Chinese language if from Latin based to Latin based is a nightmare.

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  • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I can count to ten, say hello, goodbye, and thank you. Other than that, the biggest advantage was that I can at least pronounce things fairly accurately, even if I have no idea what I’m saying. Vocabulary is the biggest issue.

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    • user224@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Can’t even do that after 3 years back in middle school.

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      • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Damn, you’ve been back in middle school for 3 years?

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  • tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Sorry your school sucked, I guess?

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  • TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’ve had French and German for 13 years. I don’t speak a word of French and can say very basic things in German, but not complete sentences.

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  • zaphod@sopuli.xyz ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Have you tried using it?

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    • Asafum@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I did and the results were kinda hilarious.

      I was working as a technician at the time and went to a theater I wasn’t familiar with, I needed to use the bathroom and saw a few people cleaning so I asked them if the knew where the bathroom was.

      “No ingles, no ingles!”

      Oh good I can try my Spanish! “Donde estas el bano?”

      “No ingles, no ingles!”

      …but I’m speaking Spanish now… Lol

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      • psoul@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        That’s the hardest part of gaining conversational skills: being ok with not being understood, ok being laughed at a little bit. If you’re afraid of speaking the language you’ll never progress.

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  • mr_might44@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I took one of my country’s official languages in high school and I still speak it like shit …

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    • RecursiveParadox@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Belgian person?

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      • Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Or Swiss, it sounds very familiar. My French sucks. I did get DELF B2 level at the time, but damn do I struggle when I need to work in Lausanne with locals.

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  • bdonvr@thelemmy.club ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    4 years of Latin. I do not know Latin. I do know quite a bit of Roman history though

    I took it upon myself to learn Spanish for 2 and a half years, and I can say I speak Spanish! Not perfectly. But I read novels and watch things in Spanish. My speaking isn’t quite as good, by virtue of me listening way more than I speak. But hey I think I did pretty well.

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  • lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I took one semester of Russian in uni and I still can read the Cyrillic alphabet

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    • SpongyAneurysm@feddit.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Same.

      I can also order tea with milk on an airplane.

      That’s about it, though.

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