we need more users

Submitted ⁨⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de⁩ to ⁨fediverse@lemmy.world⁩

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I’ve been one of the people saying “we don’t need more users. we need quality over quantity” and i was wrong.

the way it’s going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.

So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.

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Xanthobilly@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
It’s quality and quantity. The quality has held despite a drop in users. Just wait and let Reddit have another controversy and we’ll get another infusion of converts. Popularity may only threaten more bots and scams.

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- gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  and we’ll get another infusion of converts
  
  You know, there was a great blog recently that wrote about this, that now is the perfect time to popularize the fediverse. That’s because as tensions with the US are rising, more people in europe are looking for alternative internet platforms to communicate over. So the fediverse can jump in here and offer itself as an alternative.
  
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  - Eldritch@piefed.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    It’s not just Europe. Plenty of us in the United States looking to circumvent the vanguard party. And fascism is rising globally. We need decentralization and federation to survive going forward.
    
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  - SorteKanin@feddit.dk ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    We’re actually seeing a rise in new user applications over at Feddit.dk. The hostile behavior of the US has gotten some Reddit users to seek alternatives to american platforms.
    
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  - zaphod@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    When I look at some generic instance’s unfiltered feed all I see is posts about USA/Trump. I can see how this might deter a lot of Europeans who are looking for alternatives to Reddit.
    
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- ambitiousslab@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  It’s quality and quantity. The quality has held despite a drop in users.
  
  This is my experience too; I haven’t really noticed a change. I still see about the same number of conversations and the same depth of conversation as I always have here. I was very surprised that the change in user count was so high.
  
  I wonder if there’s a committed/stable subsection of the userbase, that is mainly responsible for posts and comments, and has largely stuck around throughout? And then most of the swings in user count are from people who were less active to begin with?
  
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  - Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    its also the fact that we can ban whole communities too, from popping up your feed. since there are less users, blocking the users that are obviously tankies or conservatives, reduces us seeing more posts.
    
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- Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  Just wait and let Reddit have another controversy and we’ll get another infusion of converts.
  
  Just wait
  
  this is how something like Digg swoops in and steals all the users
  
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  - Endmaker@ani.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Or Bluesky / Threads vs Mastodon
    
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  - Xanthobilly@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Digg? Now with AI? That Digg? You mean the Digg that lost all its users to Reddit in the first place? Not happening.
    
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- postcapitalism@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I like it here
  
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  - jed@lemmy.myserv.one ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Seconded. I just learned it exists last week. It’s good and has a lot of potential.
    
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- Redredme@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  It is. It’s one of the reasons i’ve pivot back to reddit these last few months.
  
  More then Reddit this place is an echo chamber for the far left anti capitalist crowd. While I don’t mind a discussion, everything over simplified to EAT THE RICH was getting tiresome.
  
  No company or institution is here. If I have a problem with my [insert device or appliance here] chances are good someone on reddit will reply and 50/50 there is a useable answer somewhere. Here it just stays silent. Or you get the anti capitalist reply that everything is fucked and we should just eat the rich.
  
  There are no real gaming or device or brand communities. Want to ask something about modding game x? Not here. Want to hook up with other players of game y? Not here. Want to know how to fix your [household appliance here]? Not here…Have a problem with mainboard from brand z? Not here.
  
  When you ask something here about Linux or any other gpl software the answer often times boils down to RTFMI! (I= idiot) That also happens on reddit to be honest. But here it’s just more extreme. And I know I’m an idiot. That’s why I asked. I’m too stupid can someone please explain.
  
  Where the fuck is LJDawson. Sync is dead it seems.
  
  And yes. Reddit more and more feels like an AI test site. For example the AITA posts are getting more and more out of this world. They are unbelievable, that’s just for clicks. So the enshittification is not slowly but very fast becoming a problem and within a few months it will be another youtube, unusable. But for now… It’s the best we have.
  
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  - supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    More then Reddit this place is an echo chamber for the far left anti capitalist crowd. While I don’t mind a discussion, everything over simplified to EAT THE RICH was getting tiresome.
    
    That must be so difficult for you compared to all the wonderful corporate platforms full of rightwing hateful trolls who genuinely harass people.
    
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  - Agent_Karyo@piefed.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    There are no real gaming or device or brand communities.
    
    Some relatively active (in terms of posts, breadth of content and user engagement) gaming communities across Lemmy/Threadi:
    
    Adventure Games - !adventuregames@retrolemmy.com
    
    Automation Games - !automationgames@lemmy.zip
    
    Cozy Games - !cozygames@lemmy.world
    
    City Builders - !citybuilders@sh.itjust.works
    
    Indie Games (variety) - !bside@fedia.io
    
    Lifesim Games - !lifesimulation@lemmy.world
    
    Open Source Games - !foss_gaming@lemmy.world
    
    PC RPGs (cRPGs) - !crpg@lemmy.world
    
    Roguelike Games - !roguelikes@lemmy.world
    
    RTS Games - !rts@reddthat.com
    
    Space Games (variety) - !space_games@piefed.world
    
    Strategy Games - !strategy_games@piefed.world
    
    Turn-based Strategy (e.g. 4X) - !turnbasedstrategy@piefed.world
    
    Tycoon / Business Sim Games - !tycoon@lemmy.world
    
    Video Game Art - !gameart@sopuli.xyz
    
    Video Game Music - !vgmusic@lemmy.world
    
    Video Game Questions - !askgaming@piefed.social
    
    I moderate/curate like 6 of them, so I am biased, but we do have a solid selection of gaming communities beyond !games@lemmy.world or !pcgaming@lemmy.ca.
    
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  - Blaze@piefed.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Gaming communities exist, based on genres usually. I’ve used !citybuilders@sh.itjust.works for questions about city building games. !soulslike@lemmy.zip is also there.
    
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  - DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    For example the AITA posts are getting more and more out of this world.
    
    What’s this AITA sub you speak of?
    
    It’s called r/AmateurStoryWriters ffs, get the name right
    
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- IronKrill@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  The quality has held despite a drop in users.
  
  I feel like I’m going mental over here because this has not been my experience. The quality has always been spotty, but the last few months I’ve noticed more and more posts linking to awful “news” rags or no source at all. Worse, I rarely see people questioning the lack of quality information, simply gobbling it up because it aligns with their world view. Plus 70% of the comments on this platform could be generated by a classic r/subredditsimulator style bot and nothing would change; the same 5 points about AI, capitalism, and Linux are made in every thread in the exact same style every day.
  
  And yes I’m mostly talking about news communities because Linux comms are usually fine but repetitive and while I’d love to interact with non-news content there just… isn’t much being made.
  
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- Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  the sudden rise in 2025 early on, was the massive purges reddit was doing, banning almost anyone left and right, and hitting all thier accounts at once. when they usually never try to multi-ban you before.
  
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moseschrute@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I’m feeling very burnt out. Lemmy is kinda an unless stream of political doom and gloom. For context, I’m in the US and already stressed out by our political situation. But I don’t come here to see more doom and gloom. It’s getting to the point where I think I need to get off for my mental health.

Then there are all the people who if you don’t agree exactly with their opinion they downvote you to hell. You have left leaning politics but not my flavor of left? Downvote! You hate enshitification and bug text privacy practices, but you use a single piece of software that isn’t FOSS? Downvote!

It’s so exacting. I absolutely hate Reddit but I miss going on there and just laughing at how someone’s TV is too high. I miss laughing at how some restaurant serves food of shovels instead of plates.

And that’s not even getting into the lack of content. That part understand requires users like myself to be as active as possible. But it’s hard being active when I feel so burnt out from the other stuff here.

Tbh, idk if these issues are specific to Lemmy or just the internet as a whole. I can only speed to the slice of the internet I find myself in. But I just wanna see people that are excited about things: photography, 3d printing, weird keyboards, etc. And that exists here, but it’s drowned out by all the doom and gloom.

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- Soulcreator@programming.dev ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Agreed lemme is probably one of the most negative places on the Internet. I joined because I was hoping this place would grow to be a proper alternative for Reddit, with fun niche content, and its own culture of obscure inside jokes. Instead even after several years it still feels like we are the angry trolls living under reddit’s shadow.
  
  One of the biggest things I’ve found that helped me avoid the politics was to leave lemme.world and fill my personal feed up with subscriptions to content that fits my interest. Politics has ways of working its way into content none the less, but at least I’ve got a fighting chance.
  
  I really do believe lemme is going to struggle to find people who want to stick around unless it starts to embrace fun light hearted content. I’m not sure how we’d do that as a platform, but I do believe that’s one of the big reasons people will struggle to adopt this corner of the Internet as their own.
  
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  - GardenGeek@europe.pub ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I guess the problem are the users (you and me) or better or use of plattforms itself.
    
    On reddit I tended to be lurker. And if most of us are the few which actually POST content are the those with strong (mostly political) views who are willing to commit to their cause by flooding the zone with political fights.
    
    Coclusion: If we want a cozy lemmy we need to join/start non-political, subject specific communities and actually CONTRIBUTE something instead of just consuming. Otherwise this cluster of plattforms will end up like all the other due to the same reasons.
    
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  - HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    Agreed lemme is probably one of the most negative places on the Internet
    
    parts of lemmy are. cool rocks is pretty positive. there are other positive places. it’s one of those GIGO things.
    
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- GardenGeek@europe.pub ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  What you’re describing isn’t Lemmy specific I think, same happens of you browse the news feed of reddit (and most probably also other social media).
  
  What helps me is subscribing to non-political topics and scrolling through your own feed of non-political stuff instead of the main site… gardening, hobbies, memes… that’s what these sites once ought to be made for. Not 24/7 political bombardment.
  
  Sidenote: Digital detox also helps for sure '^^
  
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- Maragato@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Indeed, I believe that the Fediverse is a paradise island where one can escape the noise created mainly by AI bots on centralised, proprietary social networks, but many users get a dopamine rush from eliciting an emotional response on the network, and that rush is provided by Reddit’s algorithms.
  
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- Wren@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Join !cool_rocks@lemmy.today if you’re sick of doom. It’s just cool rocks and discussions about rocks.
  
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- TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  i’m sick of how awful and ignorant the vast majority of comments here are. and how they have to conflated outlandish beliefs with being morally correct.
  
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- ItWasntme223@lemmy.jtworld.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I can understand this a lot. I wanted to escape the doom and gloom of politics (also American) and I have found that if I’m going to have communities I want, I’m gonna have to make some. lol I’m a big Azur Lane player and have been trying to add content to the Azur Lane communities on !azurlane@sh.itjust.works and !azurlane@discuss.online.
  
  I think a lot of what happens is those who enjoy political discourse have been coming here so a lot of that content is predominate. Creating alternative communities of interest may be the only way to balance it out.
  
  But I’m just spitballing here.
  
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- selokichtli@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Disable the display of the voting system. That’s what I do, and it’s the reason I can use Lemmy. It won’t solve the political doom and gloom part, but it really helped me with the anxiety that comes from the rejection of others to my ideas, or the dopamine boost when a collective accepts and praises my comments. Try it.
  
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- Blaze@piefed.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Sorry to hear.
  
  Maybe try to use an alt with only light hearted communities? That’s what I do on my main feed, it helps quite a lot with the negativity.
  
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jqubed@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Is this strictly Lemmy or does it include related platforms like PieFed and Mbin? Because it seems like there has been some shift to PieFed

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- Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  they are separate, but not huge
  
  piefed.fediverse.observer/stats
  
  mbin.fediverse.observer/stats
  
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  - ranovich@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    They are separate but they are federated, they can see lemmy’s content and viceversa.
    
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  - Pazintach@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    They seem doing fine, especially PieFed.
    
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- ambitiousslab@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I thought this too at first: I expected Piefed to have been the main cause. But, it turns out that Lemmy monthly active users have dropped by around 30k, while Piefed has risen to about 5k
  
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  - baconmonsta@piefed.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Yeah Piefed is great. It’s a night and day difference in experience really
    
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MoogleMaestro@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Hot take: the biggest issue is actually ever entering a community and seeing zero comments. Most reddit addiction stems from wanting to read comments, so I think people should add a comment to something if they’re upvoting and they see that the thread has zero comments.

Nothing eliminates enthusiasm like seeing 0 comments on every post in a community, especially if that community is driven by bots.

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- RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Yep. Engagement drives more engagement.
  
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- olafurp@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I think this is it. Posting is reinforced by getting feedback on posts, both up votes and comments
  
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- UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Communities driven by bots should die
  
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- HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  oh hey, i’m a comment dude. I rarely think up something worth posting, but i’ll chat your fingers off. everyone has a place here.
  
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- mr_might44@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Doing my part by trying to comment more on posts with 0 comments.
  
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- Sine_Fine_Belli@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Yeah, same here honestly. Well said, lemmy needs more people here
  
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- baconmonsta@piefed.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  0-comment posts should be at the bottom of the default feed for this reason. That way new users don’t get scared by the awkward silence
  
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dantel@programming.dev ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I’m a very new user and who wanted to give this a chance, here are the friction points from my point of view:

The onboarding is way too complicated for the average user. A huge part of this is that there are 100 ways to do it. Before you even can start to do anything you have to investigate and then decide on what and how to do it. And even then there is no guidance at all, you are given options and then you can either go and do some research again or try them one by one. You lose at least 90% of the users here already. It doesn’t help that fediverse users try to downplay this issue.

Content discovery sucks ass. My feed stayed mostly the same since I started using Lemmy. I’m presented the same shit over and over again. I’m not sure if it’s something that I do wrong, if there is just no content or if that’s a side effect of ‘no tracking at all’ but either way the experience is just bad

Someone in here already said it, but ‘Lemmy’ is a horrendous name. That alone was the reason why I didn’t bother to try it at all.

In short the user experience is abysmal.
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- zaphod@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  I’m presented the same shit over and over again.
  
  Do you sort by active? Use hot or scaled instead.
  
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  - Warl0k3@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Yeah, no idea why Active is still the default.
    
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  - dantel@programming.dev ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Yeah, it was sorted by active. Changed it to hot, let’s see how that goes. Thanks for the hint.
    
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- reksas@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  Someone in here already said it, but ‘Lemmy’ is a horrendous name. That alone was the reason why I didn’t bother to try it at all for a long time. Only recent events pushed me towards it but tbh I’m not sure I’ll stay.
  
  You can say that again. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemmy
  
  Guess what results come up first when you search for lemmy
  
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  - gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Lemmy standing for “Marxist-Leninist” surely is off-putting to some. Might be better to re-brand it as “Feddit” (federated Reddit).
    
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  - lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Names are a discrete and contested domain and honestly I don’t see how Lemmy being also a person is a hindrance. Coke is also a drug yet no one complains, certainly not the big corpo.
    
    Protip: you can search for more than one word on search providers. Something like “lemmy social” or “lemmy server” for example.
    
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- Skavau@piefed.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Have you considered trying out Piefed? Piefed has custom feed options currently.
  
  The onboarding is way too complicated for the average user. A huge part of this is that there are 100 ways to do it. Before you even can start to do anything you have to investigate and then decide on what and how to do it. And even then there is no guidance at all, you are given options and then you can either go and do some research again or try them one by one. You lose at least 90% of the users here already. It doesn’t help that fediverse users try to downplay this issue.
  
  I don’t really know how you make the onboarding, the instance selection easier at this point. What do you propose?
  
  What site did you use when you found lemmy?
  
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  - dantel@programming.dev ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I’m a reddit user and that’s also where I first heard about lemmy the first time.
    
    Yesterday I decided to give it a try, current events pushed me away from everything American and so I thought it was about time.
    
    I searched for something like ‘lemmy getting started’ and landed on this site: join-lemmy.org/docs/…/01-getting-started.html
    
    So the first greeting is a wall of text. After I read through it, I found myself here: join-lemmy.org/instances
    
    Now I got a bunch of options with no real way to evaluate what’s what. I spent some time there looking through the options and didn’t really know what to choose and what the impact would be. I used a search engine again to look for some opinions about the biggest ones which lead me nowhere, mostly
    
    So I kinda have up and selected programmers.dev because that’s close enough to what I do professionally. I clicked on join and was presented with this programming.dev/signup
    
    So I don’t know if that differs from instance to insurance, but you need a moment to process this. The first few fields are obvious but then it starts to get a little weird. Instead of a checkbox or even implicit accepting of TOS and privacy policy (by registering here you agree to…) you have to take or copy paste that exact sentence into that answer box with a preview button(?) and then fill in the captcha. After that you are told that your registration needs to be approved manually and that there is no notification about that so you have to manually check from time to time whether your are able to login or not.
    
    But it didn’t end here. Because I found that the webui wasn’t that great on mobile, I wanted an Android app. So I ended up here: join-lemmy.org/apps
    
    And yet again was confronted with a bunch options I somehow had to evaluate. I’m still in the process finding an app I really like.
    
    Now I know this is no rocket science, and having options is a good thing usually.
    
    But still considering the average usually not tech savvy user, all of that is too much by quite a bit. That’s overwhelming for the majority of people.
    
    This whole thing needs to be a 10 second streamlined process. There should be one button to get you started. The instance selection site tells you: ‘You can access all content in the lemmyverse from any server, so it doesn’t matter which one you choose.’
    
    So if that’s the case, why bother the user with it? I admit I know jack shit about the fediverse, but if I were to design such a thing, I’d separate the IdP (identity provider) from the service/content providers. Have a couple of them redundantly, hosted by different parties so one entity can not shut down everything. Let the user register once, replicate that identity across the IdPs and let some interest selection wizard determine which content instances the use should be added to.
    
    I know that’s a big architecture change and will never happen. So maybe have that one obvious registration routine for a user and choose a first instance for the user based on interests or randomly (from a curated list to prevent users landing on some extreme instances) if the user can not be bothered to fill in their interests.
    
    Have one default app which is good and recommended that. Let the app have sensible defaults (like the sorting thing), present most popular content first to hook the user.
    
    Let the user look for alternatives later if they want to do that.
    
    Don’t let the user do all the homework upfront before they even know whether they even care and if it’s worth the effort. Most people simply won’t do it.
    
    PS. Nope I do not know about ‘Piefed’. I’ll check it out later. It wasn’t mentioned on all that sites that I looked at and that’s part of the problem.
    
    That’s just my 2 cents.
    
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- GMac@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I agree. New user introduction is very poor. Took me ages just to choose an instance - and that was in no small part because I’m here not only to escape the enshittified chokepoint capitalism of american big tech, but also because I’m utterly sick of the domination of US centric points of view and censorship. Even though i know communities are not instance locked, I wanted an instance that is not likely to be managed in the same way. Time will tell if I chose well or poorly
  
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  - OpenStars@piefed.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Fwiw that’s a very popular instance you are on, so I think you will likely enjoy it? But if not, then that is the beauty of the Fediverse: you can always hop over to some other one if you wanted.
    
    Like email providers: if gmail doesn’t suit you, then switch to another one, or even self-host your own if that sounds appealing:-P.
    
    Note here there is zero advertising: none. Therefore, no incentive to try to “(ab)use” you as the product. Conversely, features offered to you are significantly slower to be developed (honestly PieFed is so very far ahead of Lemmy in that respect, e.g. offering keyword filters such as “Musk” or “Trump”, and advanced AI slop detection, etc.). So instead of thinking how different platforms will fall over themselves trying to compete for your “business”, think along the lines instead of how you can match up with other like-minded folks. And at some point you’ll want to contribute - perhaps code development, or donations, though what the Threadiverse needs most is just participation, as in content posted to it, the more thoughtful the better.
    
    So far you are off to a fantastic start, welcome! :-D
    
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- made3@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I am also new (coming from Reddit) and it was confusing that there was no register button anywhere. I also agree a lot on the naming, when I searched for it to get some info on what it is and how it works I first got a lot of results for the Lemmings game. Also when you search in the playstore for “Lemmy” you get the Lemmings games…
  
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  - nutomic@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    There is a “Join” button which goes directly to the registration page of the respective instance. Would it be clearer to rename this? Other than that I’m also happy to make improvements if you have concrete suggestions.
    
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- IndustryStandard@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  @dessalines@lemmy.ml for the love of god please fix the onboarding
  
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  - Skavau@piefed.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I don’t think he controls join.lemmy.org. Unless I am completely wrong.
    
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heyWhatsay@slrpnk.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Just talk up Lemmy, the issue is most people doesn’t realize there’s another option to the popular toxic trash fires.

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brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
…I am drifting away from Lemmy myself.

Political communities are echo chambers like Reddit, in a different color. Discussing tech is a little better, but still feels like talking in circles. Wholesome subs like /c/SuperBowl are sublime, but I mostly lurk there.

And the information hygiene is awful. Big subs upvote tabloids and Tweets to the sky, as long as they align with their beliefs. I just saw a discussion on a not-obviously AI generated photo with the community sentiment of “misinformation? Who cares. It’s a pro-lefty meme, so spread it.”

Much of this is my fault, though.

I have several niches I intend to make original posts for, but never do.

It’s somewhere in the giant pile of my IRL executive dysfunction :’(

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DiabolicalBird@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
From my own experience with Lemmy, I can absolutely see why it’s declining.

Lemmy is packed full of miserable people constantly calling for violence. 90% of the feed is packed full of US politics, it doesn’t matter how many filters I use I still see that greasy orange cunt’s face every time I open Lemmy.

The amount of hostility towards outsiders just getting into Lemmy is astounding, and I’ve absolutely seen the whole “quality over quantity” crap that only drives people away from the platform. The IT tech snobbery is also incredibly offputting to people who aren’t tech enthusiests.

In short, Lemmy has a toxic shithead problem that a platform this small can’t afford if it wants to survive long term.

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SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I’ve been using Lemmy less because it’s so depressing. It feels like a majority of the engagement is with depressing US politics and a strong left bias (to be clear, I also hate the current government). Unlike most, I really like most of the nerdy tech content.

Which is why I’ve been lurking more on Hacker News lately, it’s tech minded forums with an appropriate level of politics and more nuanced takes. And as a bonus the interface even less bloated (in terms of resource usage) than any Lemmy frontend I’ve tried.

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ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Part of the issue (I feel a large part ) is that the learning curve is too steep to get on Lemmy

Now I’m not saying it’s hard at all; but it’s significantly higher than simply “go to a main page and create a user name and password”. Lemmy needs a sign up page that just random signs you up to an active instance (per the instances permission) and automatically subscribes you to the 50 most active instances to just get you started up.

Making a getting started page that’s as idiot proof as any .com would probably go a long ways into upping our numbers here.

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fizzle@quokk.au ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Here is my super unpopular take: ultimately you / some / we have misunderstood “quality over quantity”.

It doesn’t mean “we don’t want more users”, it means that the best way to attract more users and growth of the platform is to focus on being the best fediverse we can be. Actively trying to attract more users is a foot gun - even in the unlikely event you’re successful, you reduce the quality of the experience for everyone.

Focusing instead on the health, vibrance, management, and activity of the platform is the best way to attract more users.

Perhaps another way of saying the same thing: the most fertile market segment are those users who used to be active monthly. They were here trying to participate at some point but lost interest. Why? Pretty solid guess is that they were still logging in to reddit for the special / niche interest subs, and after a few months got sick of checking lemmy.

IMO, dead special interest communities are the cancer consuming the fediverse. Nothing wrong with a small active community, but a small community with a half dozen posts from 3 years ago is a big sign saying “go back to reddit, this place is dead”.

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Delphia@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I posted in an ADHD community about how I’m fed up with managing my symptoms and I think I finally need to talk to a professional. Someone tried to blame my symptoms on capitalism.

As someone who simply left Reddit because they took away RIF and only stays here because I’m stubborn, Lemmy is the left wing version of Truth Social. A great deal of the users here are the absolute embodiment of the people from Sanfrancisco in South Park huffing each others farts about how progressive they are.

Like, I get it and I do agree in principle on most things with Lemmy which is the only reason I dont leave, but make no mistake THE FEDIVERSE IS AN ECHO CHAMBER.

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Surp@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I’ve been here a few years now and I can say Lemmy’s got issues. You can’t come on here and have a good time anymore when all it’s about is trump trump trump and Linux Linux Linux it gets old. I wanna escape from reality a bit sometimes and there’s few areas to subscribe to that gives any joy anymore.

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WhirlpoolBrewer@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I’ll commit to commenting more. I prefer to lurk, but the fediverse needs me 🤣

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teolan@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
It’s not that we’re missing more user, but rather that we are missing communities where people would come for the community specifically.

Lemmy is filled with people that want something that is reddit without being reddit.

We will start winning the moment we have communities were people join Lemmy to be part of said community.

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jenings@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Just wait for Reddit to finally ban porn and we’ll have more users than we know what to do with

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morto@piefed.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I have been noticing a drop in post/comments diversity and quantity. The diminishing users is something noticeable and sad.

We’re in times where we need to seek alternatives to big tech more than ever, and yet, people don’t seem to care :(

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cozzy@futurology.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Lemmy feels like a return to the old internet, when communities were smaller, and for me its refreshing to be able to participate in communities on major topics again without getting drowned out. It harkens back to the days of early forums and message boards, where users gathered around shared interests and discussions felt more organic.

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Fijxu@programming.dev ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I’m here, I just never comment :3

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sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
While (I think) I totally understand what you are saying here…

… Yeah I’m honestly fine with lemmy just being more or less a tiny cluster of neo forums.

I like the cozy.

At the same time… from I guess a less selfish perspective… yeah, this is the exact time an alternative to Reddit and other corpo social media needs to be popularized.

But, somewhat alleviating myself from that… I don’t really know anybody that I could be ‘word of mouth’ spread lemmy to, that I haven’t already.

And I’m too crippled to put stickers on really anything outside my own apartment, lol.

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faythofdragons@slrpnk.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
The culture wars have reached the fediverse, and it’s making me less happy to be here. I don’t want to hang out in places where people use slurs and insults, even if they’re not aimed at me. I’m seeing more casual misogyny/misandry, more casual use of the r**** slur, more perfectionist gatekeeping, more assumptions, and just less good-faith comments in general.

I’d advertise, but I’m starting to look for an alternative to lemmy.

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idunnololz@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
As a developer for a Lemmy app, recently I’ve felt Lemmy become more and more fragmented resulting in a poorer than usual user experience. And the base user experience is already poor. I’m mostly just venting but man is the fragmentation annoying to deal with :/

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Muaddib@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I send my friends memes. They ask “Muad’dib, where do you get these great memes?” I say I get my great memes from Lemmy. They instantly lose interest, because Lemmy is full of tankies and kinphobes

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Koarnine@pawb.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
After trying to convert a friend who heavily uses reddit, multiple times, I recommended him again the other day to leave the hellsite (reddit).

I didn’t recommend Lemmy but have a while back.

He himself specifically brought up that he ‘didn’t vibe with Lemmy as much as reddit’ and that he believes he would ‘miss stories he would otherwise have liked to see’ by switching to Lemmy.

Reddit has kept him more up to date than not over the past year - he believes had he not been using reddit he wouldn’t have found out about [specific events in iran] as early as he did.

The other main pain point I’ve encountered is the small and niche community problem, which I’m sure we are all aware of - certain information feels like it can only be found on such small subreddits.

Therefore I have two suggestions:

create a Lemmy instance that mirrors reddit, rather than have bots post reddit posts onto main Lemmy instances, create an instance that mirrors specific subreddits on request, including the comments of their posts, and allows Lemmy users to comment and reply back, where those comments are also propagated to reddit so that replies and discussion are mirrored also. This would struggle due to reddit API and compute power requirements but the subreddits on request and a specific instance for these posts would eliminate the bot spam problem from earlier attempts at the same thing.

potentially allow the user to associate their reddit account with the instance so comments etc can proliferate without bot recognition.

The other suggestion would be:

set up trackers for major and new subreddits, tag posts by priority, and use this set of posts to determine what content and types of content are missing, but don’t just automatically post everything as the spam problem gets out of hand.

Finally, my biggest gripe with my Lemmy use is the constant instance wars.

I have had my comments removed for being rightfully critical of Israel by lemmy.world mods. They appear intent on recreating the problems of reddit here.
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Weydemeyer@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
The source data shows that while active users are down, the number of posts and comments are near all-time highs. While you need new users to help counteract churn, I think the higher post/comments count points to what I think a lot of people feel here: that quality seems to keep getting better and better.

Regarding how to bring more people in, I personally like how different lemmy servers have slightly different characteristics but each seems to appeal to larger groups. .world is great for more liberal folks with an interest in what’s going on the world around us. I’m literally a communist so I feel more at home in .ml. Sometimes I want to venture out, sometimes I want to stay in. I see a future where there’s probably a small-ish number of large servers that cover broad groups of people.

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Boiglenoight@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I’m happy to promote it. I tried to get a few non-technical people to check it out. They felt it was too complicated. I’ve shared it with tech friends and coworkers who use Reddit. They’re aware of Lemmy to varying degrees, and are not enthused about moving to another platform despite hating Reddit.

I think it’s because despite Lemmy being a great alternative, it is more complicated and lacks the user base that users of other social media platforms have.

Bluesky is marginally more complicated than Twitter, but compared to Mastodon it is user friendly. Bluesky worked to create a dedicated, easy to use app that most users use.

Bluesky existed for a while before experiencing explosive growth. This occurred during moments of controversy with X. Bluesky capitalized on these moments, with champions on both platforms that led their followers to change, and there were mechanisms in place to bootstrap a user’s feed with the followers and topics that they had in the other place.

I think Lemmy needs to follow this model. There needs to be a Lemmy app that has a user experience as similar as possible with the Reddit app. It also needs champions that have main stream recognition (George Takei, Mark Hamill, etc.) that can be willing to make noise about switching from Reddit to Lemmy when the next controversy occurs. Repeat with more and more promotion by this evangelists, and Lemmy could grow.

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SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I came to this space in November of 2024.

As a trans person I wanted community. So I checked out blahaj first. But, the queer community here is controlled by Ada who bans anyone she doesn’t like and i ticked her off once by not bowing to her judgement when it came to allowing trolls to stay in the space. This drama also splintered the 196 community, and neither 196 space has had the same number of participants since.

So no more queer community for me. I’ve had to get that other places like Tumblr.

I then decide to use the .db0 community to report what I feel is abusive behavior from .blahaj staff and after enough time they realized that they really don’t like people using the “report abuse community” to report abuse of specific spaces like blahaj. Banned for using the space for what it was created for.

So no more .db0

I’m just so tired of using this space, it feels just like reddit except there’s somehow even less accountability.

I used to enjoy posting like a dozen memes a day and now I don’t post anymore. It’s not fun it’s a chore to keep feeding memes and engagement into this space that pretty much only has told me it hates me for the last year.

Bad app :c

Every week i feel less and less compel

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IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Then start breeding yall

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Arrius@lemmy.cafe ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Reddit refugee here. I’ve been banned three times in 2 weeks for erroneous applications of nebula’s policies. They appear to be going through a self-destructive phase. All you need to be is a viable alternative to a dumpster fire and deliver a clear valuable alternative.

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