Samsung to halt SATA SSD production, leaker warns of up to 18 months of SSD price pressure, worse than Micron ending consumer RAM

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Suavevillain@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
AI has taken more things since it’s big push to be adopted in the public sector.

Clean Air Water Fair electricity bills Ram GPUs SSDs Jobs Other people’s art and writing.

There are no benefit to this stuff. It is just grifting.

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mlg@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
AFAIK this has already been a problem, you can find Samsung M.2 SSDs for cheaper than Samsung SATA SSDs at the same capacity, because their cloud customers have all flown past classic SATA/SAS for NVME U.2 and U.3, which is much more similar to M.2 due to NVME.

I was planning on adding a big SSD array to my server which has a bunch of external 2.5 SAS slots, but it ended up being cheaper and faster to buy a 4 slot M.2 PCIe card and buy 4 M.2 drives instead.

Putting it on a x16 PCIe slot gives me 4 lanes per drive with bifurication, which gets me the advertised maximum possible speed on PCIe 4.

Whether or not the RAM surge will affect chip production capacity is the real issue. It seems all 3 OEMs could effectively reduce capacity for all other components after slugging billions of dollars into HBM RAM. It wouldn’t just be SSDs, anything that relies on the same supply chain could be heavily affected.

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Randelung@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
This bubble is going to become the entire market, isn’t it. Until it becomes too big to fail because 80% of the workforce is tied up in it. Then it is allowed to pop, costing the western world everything, all going into the pockets of the super rich, and we get to start over.

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- muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  That’s the entire point. It’s a scam.
  
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  - Khrux@ttrpg.network ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Compared to crypto and NFTs, there is at least something in this mix, not that I could identify it.
    
    I’ve become increasingly comfortable with LLM usage, to the point that myself from last year would hate me. Compared to projects I used to do with where I’d be deep into Google Reddit and Wikipedia, ChatGPT gives me pretty good answers much more quickly, and far more tailored to my needs.
    
    I’m getting into home labs, and currently everything I have runs on ass old laptops and phones, but I do daydream if the day where I can run an ethically and sustainably trained, LLM myself that compares to current GPT-5 because as much as I hate to say it, it’s really useful to my life to have a sometimes incorrect but overalls knowledgeable voice that’s perpetually ready to support me.
    
    The irony is that I’ll never build a server that can run a local LLM due to the price hikes caused by the technology in the first place.
    
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- Khrux@ttrpg.network ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I heard a theory (that I don’t believe, but still) that Deepseek is only competitive to lock the USA into a false AI race.
  
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  - Randelung@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    It’s the space race all over again!
    
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  - BilSabab@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    that would be the funniest thing.
    
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- Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  Then it is allowed to pop, costing the western world everything, all going into the pockets of the super rich, and we get to start over.
  
  After the bailouts of course.
  
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- humanspiral@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  it becomes too big to fail because 80% of the workforce is tied up in it
  
  In 2008, banking sector and auto industry needed bailouts for the investor/financial class. Certainly, there was no need to layoff core banking employees, if government support was the last resort to keep the doors open AND gain controlling stake over future banking profitablity in a hopefully sustainable (low risk in addition to low climate/global destruction) fashion. The auto bailout did have harsher terms than the banking bailout, and recessions definitely harm the sector, but the bailouts were definitely focused on the executives/shareholders who have access to political friendships that result in gifts instead of truly needed lifelines, or wider redistribution of benefits from sustainable business.
  
  The point, is that workforce is a “talking point” with no actual relevance in bailouts/too big to fail. That entire stock market wealth is concentrated in the sector, and that we have to all give them the rest of our money (and militarist backed surveillance freedom) or “China will win” at the only sector we pretend to have a competitive chance in, is why our establishment needs another “too big to fail moment”. We’ve started QE ahead of the crash this time.
  
  Work force is relatively small in AI sector. Big construction, but relatively low operations employment. It displaces other hiring too.
  
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- captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  the shoe event horizon.
  
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asbestos@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I remember when 8TB SATA SSD was $350

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- melroy@kbin.melroy.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  pepperidge farm remembers
  
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- seraphine@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  sure grandma, lets get you to bed
  
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etchinghillside@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
My mind forgot that M.2 is probably more prevalent these days and that they’re not just shutting down for no reason.

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- Hubi@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Is it though? Pretty much every single current-gen mainboard still comes with a number of SATA ports.
  
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  - HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Most people have one drive. Everything else is cloud based now. It’s horrible 😭
    
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  - RamRabbit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Everyone is going to buy M.2 SSDs first, and only buy SATA if they don’t have enough M.2 slots. I really doubt SATA SSDs are selling well.
    
    With that said, I don’t see SATA going anywhere. It’s (comparatively low) bandwidth means you can throw a few ports on your board and not sacrifice much. For some quick math: a M.2 port back-hauled by PCIe 4.0 x4 has 7.8 GB/s of data lines going to it. While SATA 6.0 has only 0.75GB/s of data lines going to it.
    
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  - A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Yeah, but I think SATA is quickly being relegated to large mechanical storage drives. For things that don’t require performance, like storage and what have… because SATA is not getting any faster, I doubt anyones gonna come out with a SATA IV standard at this right, when PCIE over M2 is easier, simpler, and faster.
    
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  - fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Comes with them, but only for legacy media. Outside of my NAS I haven’t bought a new sata drive in probably 10 years. And I haven’t touched my onboard sata ports in 5.
    
    The fact that they’re still there impresses me at this point. But their numbers are slowly dwindling. Sata is usually the first thing that gets dropped when you need more pcie lanes. And even then most boards only have 4 at this point. They’re switching back to those god awful vertical ports which tells you all you need to know about their priority.
    
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  - Gladaed@feddit.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    SATA is not intended for fast storage devices but bulk storage, at this point.
    
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  - SinningStromgald@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Most people at least put their OS on M2. I guess if you haven’t upgraded since M2 became common on motherboards you might not.
    
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- TheRagingGeek@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Guess it’s time to get some m.2 to SATA adapters
  
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brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Aside: WTF are they using SSDs for?

LLM inference in the cloud is basically only done in VRAM. Rarely stale K/V cache is cached in RAM, but new attention architectures should minimize that. Large scale training, contrary to popular belief, is a pretty rare event most data centers and businesses are incapable of.

…So what do they do with so much flash storage!? Is it literally just FOMO server buying?

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- T156@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Storage. There aren’t enough hard drives, so datacentres are also buying up SSDs.
  
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  - brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    since it’s needed to store training data.
    
    Again, I don’t buy this. The training data isn’t actually that big, nor is training done on such a huge scale so frequently.
    
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- Urga@lemmynsfw.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  The lines used to produce vram also do ssd nand flash, so they make less ssds to make more vram
  
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lechekaflan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Yet another chapter in the fucking AI craze started up by them fucking techbros.

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- Psythik@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Discontinuing outdated tech has nothing to do with AI. SATA SSDs need to be retired. NVME is superior and widely available.
  
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nuko147@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

The leak comes after another report detailed that Samsung has raised DDR5 memory prices by up to 60%.

MF… And why they wind down SSD production this time? Last time was 2 years ago, because the SSD prices were low and they wanted to raise them (which happened).

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- Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Because AI is better for €€€
  
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  - nuko147@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    May all bankrupt when the bubble bursts.
    
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spicehoarder@lemmy.zip ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Can we just burst this damn AI bubble already?

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EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Cries in PC gamer

I’m glad I already have a good setup and shouldn’t be buying anything for a good while, but damn it. First the GPU, then RAM, now SSDs.

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- DFX4509B@lemmy.wtf ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Next step, modular desktops as a concept will die, probably.
  
  I hope people like locked-down black boxes they can’t upgrade and can’t run their own OS on in the future, so byebye Linux and BSD in that scenario outside of niche devices.
  
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  - Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    You could just run Linux on a 2009 thinkpad. Oh no, I will have to buy even cheaper machines to run Linux.
    
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  - Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    At the same time, just expanding a device with new parts is a far cheaper way to get more performance than buying a new device - after all, whatever price problem there is with some kinds of parts, it will be the same whether they’re sold as lose parts or as part of a device.
    
    Poor working class young me in a poorer European country after getting his first PC quickly found out that to get more a more powerful machine he had to start upgrading that machine because there wasn’t money to buy a whole new one every couple of years.
    
    My point is that it might very well yield the very opposite effect of what you describe - buying whole devices to replace older models becomes too expensive so people favor more expandable devices - because those can have their performance improved with just some new parts, which are cheaper than getting a whole new device - and the market just responds to that.
    
    I think people in countries which until recently are wealthier, such as the US, are far too used to the mindset of “throw the old one out and but a new one” which is not at all the mindset of people in places were resources are constrained or require a lot bigger fraction of people’s income to buy.
    
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  - lordbritishbusiness@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    The AI builders must be buying all the fab time and components to go to the build outs.
    
    Desktops will go first and fade as the entire production chain stops.
    
    Notebooks will be next, at least PC parts have a premium price, notebooks are too cheap to avoid it for long. Game consoles will face the same pressure.
    
    The supply shock is going to be as bad as COVID.
    
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  - pycorax@sh.itjust.works ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    What makes you think that? Even as prices rise, people are still buying and building PCs.
    
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  - BilSabab@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    what’s baffling is that modular desktops are probably a better long-term money making strategy for hardware makers. When you can cycle gear with ease - the temptation to try something new will be bigger.
    
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- WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I ordered an S10 tab, paid my first rate, they finally try to order it, inform me it’s gone from the page, and try to get me to pay MORE for a weaker device.
  
  I refuse, ask for a refund, and that is how I got screwed over last moment from owning something I need, just before the crash.
  
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  - Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    I ordered an S10 tab, paid my first rate, they finally try to order it
    
    Who is “they” in this? Some sort of intermediary you using?
    
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Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I take issue with this forced distinction they are making

Micron, like Samsung and SK Hynix, already supplies memory chips directly to third-party brands such as G.Skill and ADATA. Even without Crucial-branded kits, Micron DRAM continues to reach consumers through other manufacturers, meaning overall supply remains largely unchanged.

Nobody ever officially suggested the Crucial supply was likely to shift to the other manufacturers for consumers. On the contrary people expect this to be a step towards a general redistribution of manufacturing capacity towards HBM for parallel compute products.

By comparison, Samsung exiting SATA SSDs removes an entire class of finished consumer products from one of the world’s largest NAND suppliers. Tom argues that this is why the Samsung move is “worse” for consumers: it directly affects how many drives are available, not just who sells them.

If you wanted you could make the same argument as for Micron. Who says the Samsung NAND couldn’t be bought by other OEMs to make consumer SSDs. It’s just as possible as the Micron supply shifting to other OEMs who make consumer RAM sticks.

To me neither are likely. The manufacturing capacity both companies are pulling from the consumer market in both cases is going to go to the higher profit margin parallel compute server market. Neither is worse than the other, they are both equally bad news for us consumers.

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- TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  On the contrary people expect this to be a step towards a general redistribution of manufacturing capacity towards HBM for parallel compute products.
  
  That is where much of the overall wafers are going. But that would be happening regardless of whether the Crucial brand is around or not. Even if Crucial was still a thing going forward, those same wafers would still be going towards HBM.
  
  Who says the Samsung NAND couldn’t be bought by other OEMs to make consumer SSDs
  
  His point is that Samsung (the manufacturer) is scrapping production, not that Samsung (the brand) is stopping selling products that otherwise are still being produced.
  
  Stopping production of something sold under many brands is obviously a lot worse than a brand stopping sales of something that other brands will still sell (albeit in lower quantities due to HBM production being ramped up at the cost of typical DRAM).
  
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dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
When I built a PC a couple of years ago when I really didn’t need one, then over specced it just because. I’m very happy right now as the prices are insane, feel like I could sell the PC for more than it cost me which mental.

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man_wtfhappenedtoyou@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Crap, I really wanted to buy a new external HD for my home server setup sometime soon.

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- brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  HDDs should be fine. No?
  
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  - man_wtfhappenedtoyou@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I suppose so, it just takes forever to transfer files.
    
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  - hateisreality@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Until next month when they cancel those too
    
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CoffeeTails@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
What if we get a lack-of-new-computers-crisis before the AI-bubble bursts

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- Randelung@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Don’t worry, you can use AI on anything that can access the internet! No need to ever have personal (let alone private) thoughts - I’m sorry, data - again.
  
  MS has been trying to get you to give up your personal computer for years. Do everything in the cloud, please! Even gaming with Stadia! And now they’re getting their wish. All it took was running the entire global economy.
  
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  - CoffeeTails@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Doing everything in the cloud is crazy. I’m so glad I jumped over to Linux a couple years ago!
    
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- Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Me with my 5 lenovo thinkcentres: 😎
  
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Sam_Bass@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
The ai crash is going to slap the tech industry hard

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- floofloof@lemmy.ca ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Not just the tech industry. A huge proportion of the US economy is made up of betting on AI. Like the crash of 2008 (but worse, some predict) it will hurt everyone but the richest, who will become even richer.
  
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  - Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    There are a number of simultaneous bubbles at the moment, the AI one being a lot like the Internet bubble of the late 90s but possibly worse (bigger share of GDP and it seems there is actually less value in most of the tech invested in as “AI” than on the Internet-relate tech) and at the same time there is a financial debt bubble like in 2007 (in the US mainly around loans for car purchase, but more in general overall consumer indebtness has reached the 2007 levels), a worldwide realestate bubble (measured in terms of house-price to income ratios) and a stockmarket bubble measured in terms of P/E ratios, just to mention the biggest ones.
    
    The risk is that one blows the rest blow by contagium: something the 2008 Crash showed us is that in modern markets when there are sudden large losses on a asset class it pulls money over to cover them from all other asset classe to cover it creating downwards price pressure in those other asset classes which in turn might cause price collapses there with large losses which in turn pull more money from yet other asset classes. IMHO assets classes with historically high valuation not backed by fundamentals (for example stocks with P/E which are 10+ times the historical average) are likely to be far more likely to collapse when money gets pulled away from them to cover losses elsewhere. Also there is the panic factor: fearing exactly what I describe, many investors will preemptivelly sell their assets in those assets classes they feel as more speculative - i.e. less supported by fundamentals - possibly creating the very problem they fear in those markets by starting a stampede to the exits.
    
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Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
As long as they keep selling the flash memory chips to drive makers, what’s the big deal?

There are plenty of China-based companies which still make flash memory drives with a SATA interface using Samsung chips and at this point that tech is so mature that there really isn’t any great added value in terms of performance from getting Samsung SATA drives over getting some generic SATA drives with Samsung chips.

It actually makes some sense that Samsung is focusing their consumer-facing device production in a higher performance protocol which is very well established now and were the device speeds are not constrained by the protocol itself, rather than in a protocol were the maximum speed of the protocol (600 MB/s) is actually what constrains the device performance since the memory chips themselves are capable of more.

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Kyle@lemmy.ca ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
This seems like a non issue dramatised for headlines, they are phasing out outdated sata connection to only favour current m.2.

It’s like gpu and motherboard manufacturers announcing they are no longer including VGA ports in favour of DVI display port and HDMI. I don’t think that was a bad thing.

I’m sure some people who are lucky enough to have hardware that still requires SATA want to keep upgrading to new SATA devices but it’s been enough time. I’m ok with just m.2 now.

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- eli@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  There are millions of devices that still and will continue to use SATA.
  
  My Synology NAS only accepts SATA. So if one of my SSDs dies I’m just shit out of luck and have to find a 8 bay M.2 NAS to have a comparable alternative?
  
  Your comment is beyond ridiculous
  
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  - kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    Don’t use SSDs for a server…
    
    They make SATA M2 adapters
    
    Seriously are you putting sata SSDs in your NAS? Don’t…
    
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- Scurouno@lemmy.ca ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Tell that to my school division’s IT department, who have us all running Displayport to VGA adapters, attaching to our monitors and projectors via VGA. This is because our displays are either a) too old and only support VGA and DVI in, or b) they purchased displays with HDMI, but our ThinkPad laptops only have Displayport out.
  
  Sometimes it is more a matter of mixing and matching tech in large cash-strapped systems that might get slapped by these issues as well.
  
  And yes, those adapters cause as many headaches as you might think.
  
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  - Kyle@lemmy.ca ⁨21⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
    I hear you there. Almost every meeting presentation room I use still requires my usb-c to vga adapter and I just have to live with it. It’s the natural state of such places I think. It feels so amazing when I can plug directly into my laptop without an adapter. And yea I agree, they are a headache.
    
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  - Trainguyrom@reddthat.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Yeah my recent IT experience is similar. I redeployed monitors that had “vista-ready” badges on them during the monitor shortages of 2021-2 I’ve replaced so many of those analogue to digital adapters (usually because the computer only has 1 digital output and 2 displays to drive, or 1 HDMI and 1 DisplayPort but the displays only support HDMI and I only have VGA to HDMI adapters, etc.)
    
    The challenge simply comes down to the fact that displays tend to last so much longer than the computers they’re connected to. Heck my wife is using my old 1080p monitors because they were an upgrade over the even older 720p monitors she had before which may well find themselves mated up to my kids’ new computer
    
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kokesh@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
awesome! Thank you shitty ai.

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TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
So maybe that computer I just bought will be my last for a while then.

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calamityjanitor@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I have 4x 6TB HDDs in my NAS. Around 5 years ago I decided to simply replace any dead drives with 6TB ones instead of my previous strategy of slowly upgrading their size. I figured I could swap to 8TB 2.5" SATA SSDs that had just started to exist and would surely only get cheaper in the future…

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- SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  M.2 to sata converters will probably come to your rescue.
  
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  - calamityjanitor@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    In my head I thought one could make relatively cheap high capacity in 2.5" SATA form factor by having more NAND chips of lower capacity. You give up speed and PCB space but that’s fine since bandwidth and IOPS are limited by SATA anyway and there’s plenty of space compared to M.2.
    
    Turns out to not shake out that way, controller ICs that support SATA aren’t coming out any more, and NAND ICs are internally stacked to use up channels while not taking up PCB space.
    
    There are some enterprise options, but they’re mad expensive.
    
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Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Tbh its not a bad call. Used to work somewhere that bought hundreds of 500gb SATA SSDs for laptop upgrades that just… sat on a shelf, because none of the new laptops ordered could even take a SATA drive. Hell, they’re Crucial branded so they’re probably collectable if micron keeps crucial dead for long enough.

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- RamRabbit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  That sucks. They probably could give them out to employees as a little bonus thing. Build a bit of goodwill. Rather than have them sit on a shelf.
  
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  - Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Government. Ain’t nobody want to get caught “stealing” from the government (they’re probably going to be destroyed ten years after they’re completely obsolete)
    
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  - northernlights@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    And then most people won’t know what to do with it, possibly flooding the helpdesk with requests.
    
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brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Well. I just FOMO ordered a SATA SSD. Thanks, OP.

Mostly because I got 2x64Gb sticks, 2 months before they shot up to nearly 4X the price!

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Sibshops@lemmy.myserv.one ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
It’s sort of not needed. M.2 for the OS, HDD for extra stuff like steam/epic games.

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- kossa@feddit.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  HDD for games? Enjoy your loading hours!
  
  HDD works for media, allright.
  
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  - Sibshops@lemmy.myserv.one ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    After looking into it, yeah, that’s valid. Seems like SSD offers 5x-10x better loading times.
    
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- foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  No that’s not correct, a lot a consumer hardware have SATA port (like old laptop)
  Replacing old HDD into SSD SATA to run the OS is the way to go in this case.
  
  So not so useless…
  
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myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Isn’t the source of this one of those YouTubers that just throws everything at the wall until they get something right?

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- boonhet@sopuli.xyz ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  He seems to be one of the less accurate ones, yes. Turns out when you use really wide brackets for numbers predictions, that makes it easier to get things right (who’d’ve thunk) and even then he only gets like 50% of claims right.
  
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Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
This is non-news puffed up for engagement, isn’t it? Samsung doesn’t make IDE hard drives any more either.

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- TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  If you look at the top sellers, SATA SSDs still occupy a few of those spots, including 4th place.
  
  There is still demand for SATA SSDs.
  
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- magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  They’re still making mobos with SATA. Not everyone uses laptops.
  
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  - Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    Not everyone uses laptops
    
    I didn’t say that.
    
    Some of us selfhost, y’know
    
    I do too. But I’m pretty sure, while selfhosting may be common here on Lemmy, that it’s not entirely common amongst wider population?
    
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- jj4211@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  The issue is that as dumb as it is, SATA ssds are still a big part of the consumer market.
  
  Even though nvme isn’t appreciably more expensive to make, it’s still used as a “premium” product., and SATA is a product tier to capture budget market whole protecting their more premium market.
  
  This move is a clear symptom of the real issue. Manufacturers shifting as much capacity as possible towards big datacenter buildouts at the expense of starving every other market for these products. Trillions of dollars that will pay whatever it takes competing with a more rational market
  
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Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Just bought 2tb for $89.

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- xthexder@l.sw0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  I just spent $200 on a Samsung 990 Pro 2TB :/
  
  I’m finally swapping my main PC to Linux full time and ended up buying an entire new boot drive rather than dealing with shuffling files around to make space.
  
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  - Trainguyrom@reddthat.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I did similar when preparing my wife and I for windows 10 EOL. I went back to Linux on the new drive, my wife to Windows 11. Honestly both have a similar amount of issues (mostly wake from sleep challenges on Linux, although my PC wasn’t great about waking from sleep on Windows to begin with) and most importantly my wife can still play Fortnite and I can have fun trying new stuff out and reveling at how every single game I try just works on Linux whereas 5 years ago it was more of a 50/50 chance whether or not a game would work
    
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  - Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I bought exactly that one for my linux box (because I swapped mains to linux and wanted a big boot :-) ), but that was a while back, it’s 280€ now, so $328…
    
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Gladaed@feddit.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
If you need SATA SSDs you are not a home user.

Just use a HDD for your bulk needs and a SSD m2.

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nao@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Why would ending sata ssd production create price pressure for m2 ssds? If anything, they should be able to produce more of those.

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WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I knew I should have hoarded devices. Could have at least profited from selling RAM…

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ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
The massive upvote count on this post is evidence that this community does not understand technology at all and just wants to be angry and yell at clouds.

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