Sony is begging you: please forget about concord
they don’t even run their servers anymore, it’s not like the fan servers are competing with them…
is sony turning into another nintendo/disney? flexing their copyright muscle just because they can?
Sony cracks down on Concord custom servers, issues DMCA takedowns on gameplay videos
Submitted 2 weeks ago by simple@piefed.social to games@lemmy.world
https://thegamepost.com/sony-cracks-down-concord-custom-servers-dmca-takedowns/
Comments
carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Turning into? They’ve always been this way. It’s been like 20 years since they decided it was ok to install rootkits on people’s PCs to protect their IP rights.
logicbomb@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Sony has been shit for much longer than 20 years, kiddo.
It’s interesting. I did a quick search, and couldn’t quickly find many complaints about them before 2000, but technical people complained a lot about Sony products back then. The biggest complaint was that Sony did everything themselves. So, every component inside a piece of electronic equipment was made by Sony, and every time they could get away with it, it would have a custom footprint or custom specs, so that it was impossible to find replacement parts without getting them directly from Sony at huge markups.
Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
They’ve kinda always been shit to gamers, they just hid it from console gaming; PC gamers frequently got shafted by SOE.
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t even think they really hid it from the console space. Their entire PS3 launch was peak hubris. They just don’t step on rakes as much as Microsoft does, and Nintendo would shoot a litter of puppies if it helped them protect their IP rights, so they look better in comparison.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Glide@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Turning into? Sony has been worse than Nintendo or Disney for years. They’re the OG “we’re going to silently brick your machine to protect our digital assets.”
At least Nintendo had the decency to put in their EULA that they’re going to fuck you for trying to pirate content on their proprietary hardware. Sony just bricked your personal PC because fuck you and then lied about it.
Tilgare@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s funny - before I actually clicked that link, I assumed it was Sony bricking PSP devices with custom firmware. I’d entirely forgotten they put ROOT KITS on their music CDs. They didn’t get in near enough trouble over that.
ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 2 weeks ago
Happiness is value, and value must only be captured by the IP holder.
lechekaflan@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
is sony turning into another nintendo/disney?
A corporation founded during the Showa era will always be anal retentive about intellectual property.
4am@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
The only reason you think Sony isn’t as bad as Nintendo is because they have better PR (and Nintendo is as bad as you think they are)
lath@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I think it’s more to do with its ongoing clash against Tencent. If they allow this to keep going, it may damage their chances on that side as well.
Paradachshund@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
So let me get this straight… They’re also still burning money on Concord through legal costs? Just walk away guys.
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Sony is doing a Tax write off 100%
4am@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I don’t believe they need to erase it from history in order to do that
lena@gregtech.eu 2 weeks ago
I don’t know a lot about the American legal system, is suing people a tax write off?
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Once in a while Sony reconfirms my choice to boycott them since the rootkit CD scandal in the 00s.
gressen@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I’ve made a whole series of purchase decisions based on similar motivation. For decades I’ve avoided DSLRs, consoles, games, phones, tablets and a whole bunch of products made by Sony. I pirate what I can, everything else is just off-limits.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The only exception I make is used consoles since I know they hate that the used market exists. Even then, they haven’t really put out anything worth getting since ps2.
madjo@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
Same. I’ll never make the mistake of purchasing a Sony product ever again
entwine@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
They make some pretty good bluetooth headphones though…
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I’ve been using Bose Quiet Comfort noise reduction headphones for almost 2 decades now, ever since I had to do software development in a large open space office alongside the noisy business-side types (this was in Investment Banking - so whilst not a heavy-machinery-noisy environment, certain the top range of office noisy) and those they were very good already back then (I’m still using at home the first model I got, after replacing the ear-pads which is what gets damaged over time).
The QC 3.5 and onwards have bluetooth AND also a wired connection as fallback (which I have had to use with devices without bluetooth).
Of course, you pay for it (last ones I got were €250 if I remember it correctly), but then again they last a long time (as I said, the first ones, now almost 2 decades old, are still work fine even if the outside is all scratched up and they’re now on the 5th or 6th pair or earpads).
I very much doubt Sony one’s are anywhere close to that, especially given that the quality of Sony devices took a massive dive in the late 90s when top level management which until then was dominated by the Engineering side was taken over by the Media side took over (before they used to be known for the high quality of their electronics).
deafboy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I think I’ve boycotted sony for one thing or the other for the large part of my adult life. Only backed down in 2021 and bought some shares. Time to return back to normal I guess.
CaptainBlinky@lemmy.myserv.one 2 weeks ago
They really want people to forget all about Concord.
madjo@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
They really hate their own fans. Be aware of that next time you purchase any Sony product.
Tattorack@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t understand the word “purchasing” in the context of “Sony product”. What do you mean with that?
madjo@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
If you want to pirate a camera, a phone, a set of headphones, a walkman, a games console or any other consumer electronics goods, be my guest. I don’t see how you can do that…
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I stopped buying anime when they bought up all the major NA distributors.
lukaro@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Had to laugh, here I am scrolling Lemmy and see a post about those server existing, random post next, then this one.
Rentlar@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Hurry! Release the server code on the high seas before the Sony lawyers find you!!!
IEatDaFeesh@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Ahh yes, just the PR Sony wants after Valve drop an atomic bomb of an announcement.
incompetent@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
What was the announcement?
entwine@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
- New home console (called “GabeCube”)
- New Steam controller
- New VR Headset (called “Steam Frame”)
tidderuuf@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
How weird is it that there are people who liked Concord so much that they spent all of their time and money to get something patched together just so they could play it again.
Didn’t it overwhelmingly bomb and had like no players towards the end?
Anyways good for them and screw Sony lawyers.
paraphrand@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
IIRC, it wasn’t a terrible game. It just wasn’t a unique enough game to compete in the space. Just another hero shooter. Just another live service.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
Marathon being brought back as a live servive extraction shooter/battle royale was an immediate turn off for me, personally.
sleepmode@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Sony seemed to want it to fail. Reviewers only got their hands on it shortly before release. Most didn’t like it. Marvel Rivals was dropping soon. It was doomed.
Lfrith@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Its become Cartmanland to me. I want to check it out. I wouldn’t pay for it, but I want to check it out.
x00z@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
StopKillingGames? More like StopMurderingGamesAndExecutingThemInColdBlood.
Assholes
JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
My understanding is they refunded everyone who bought it.
LiveLM@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Pissing off perhaps the only fans of this failure lol
Auth@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
you’d think they would be happy people are going out of their way to preserve the service. It gives them excuse to shut down their servers if they can point to these. but nope
derpgon@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Oh it’s never about that. You can’t milk a game that lives for free. Although they pay for publicity (ads, etc.), getting it for free means less cash flow, means less numbers on quarterly earnings, means less investor money.
It is always about the number on their bank account, never about you, me, or anyone else. They don’t give a flying fuck, they’d happily let us burn in a house fire if it meant just a teensy bit more dollars.
Fuck Sony, Nintendo, EA, Ubisoft, ActiBlizzosoft, and the rest of them.
lechekaflan@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Blame the suits, they got into the video game business once Atari became a household word.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Its bad press for them. The whole game is BSD news for them all the way around. I bet the won’t ever mention it by name again.
zaphod@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
It gives them excuse to shut down their servers if they can point to these.
I’m pretty sure they already shut down all their servers. They refunded everyone and try to forget the game ever happened.
Psythik@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It all comes down to Japanese peoples’ bizarre beliefs. They see modding their games as a shameful behavior because they compare it to theft/plagiarism. It’s the same reason why Nintendo is so god damn evil. In their eyes they’re doing the honorable thing by suing their own customer base.
lechekaflan@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They see modding their games as a shameful behavior
They also think modding is a form of cheating, as in supposedly breaking the game mechanics, forgetting that some games are good visually but have awful difficulty or needing more immersion.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
There’s isn’t even an IP argument to be had. They abandoned the game, so why pay a lawyer to sew?
incompetent@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
so why pay a lawyer to sew?
I hate to be that person but just in case you wanted to know, it’s spelled sue.
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sew: to unite or fasten by stitches
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sue: to seek justice or right from a person by legal process, specifically to bring an action against
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Fuck me I can’t go two days in a row without a spelling mistake! Also don’t apologize, I would rather be embarrassed once now, than potentially infinitely in the future!
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cashsky@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
IANAL but, just because they abandoned the game doesn’t mean they don’t own the IP. It’s still their IP and unfortunately IP laws everywhere suck ass. IP law only works if you defend your IP. If you don’t defend it then it can weaken IP protection on other IP you own. Even if you don’t actively use the IP you still need to defend it to keep up protection on your other IP.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Yeah, you’re absolutely right.
Glamborghini@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So how can we help set up more servers to cost them even more legal fees?
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
I’m new to the Linux scene, but if you find a bot that does this, I’ll totally run it.
LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Another DMCA abuse
SnowPenguin@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
So, it’s all about control, at the end.
Zahille7@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
pyria@kbin.melroy.org 2 weeks ago
So they're going to invest millions in a project that fundamentally failed, ax the official servers prematurely and pretend it doesn't exist.
But then go after people who still bother with it.
They ought to be fucking thankful people still play it at all.
zaki_ft@lemmings.world 2 weeks ago
Thank you everyone for giving them money so they can use that money against us.
slimerancher@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So DMCA takedowns are only for gameplay videos, they haven’t sent any takedown (or any other) notice to whoever is hosting / running / developing the custom server code.
It will be interesting to see how it progresses.
Howlinghowler110th@kbin.earth 2 weeks ago
Sony: we think it's the gamers fault the game isn't successful.
gamers: hey, can we play it then?
Sony: fuck off
sleepmode@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Must be nice to simply write off 250+ million. Sony needs to be broken up.
DudeImMacGyver@kbin.earth 2 weeks ago
Nintendo: I am the shittiest!
Sony: Hold my beer...
the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Because of course they would, what a bunch of dicks.
scttgard@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Are people still having anything to do with Sony? The absolutly worst compny ever, Comcast is second place. Cpmplete shit.
kaitco@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Man, can’t have nothing!
ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
Sony being wankers? No surprise there
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
reksas@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
more like sony is begging people to forget about sony. Even when people do something that could benefit them they punish them. (concord failed, but this way there could have been a chance people might have gotten interested in it again and they could have tried opening official servers again, with basically no risk, and start selling the game again). They rather eat up millions of losses than give ANY agency to the users. And ultimately, isnt this just people trying to make the game they paid for work? How is this different from a scam anyway? They got what little money they got and those who gave it to them got nothing for it.
Dont buy anything shitty companies like this make. By doing so you enable them and are part of the problem.
GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Seeing G*mers attitudes change on Sony between this and Palworld. Is a tonal whiplash to say the least.
FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
How dare they try and play a game they paid for.
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
This is 100% proof Sony is going to write this off as a tax write off
KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
I firmly believe that anything “written off” in that manner - this includes movies, too, in particular - should have to be released into the public domain as part of that process.
Any business that’s paying less taxes is harming the public good; we should at least benefit in some small way from that.
Ulrich@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
How does community-run servers prevent them from writing off their losses?
uninvitedguest@piefed.ca 2 weeks ago
You’ve said something with such absolute certainty that is not making sense to me.
Now I’m not versed in Japanese tax law, but Japan does follow International Financial Reporting Standards (IFRS). I’m also not versed in the capitalization of video game development expenses.
A business is going to write down their asset based on their ability to generate future revenue from it. With Concord dead on arrival, it would be fair to say that they would write down everything related to the individual game development. If they left any asset on the books it would be related to the IP/trademarks/copyrights/etc (maybe some transferrable technology if they are getting really specific).
I’m not able to make the connection between issuing takedowns on community servers/videos and the accounting write off of an impaired asset. Issuing takedowns seems more in line with IP protection.
Meruten@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Sony refunded everyone who bought the game though.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
A seller doesn’t get to walk in your home, hand you a check and take your couch. The same should not be allowed for digital goods. A voluntary refund should never revoke ownership rights. But we don’t actually have ownership rights any more, do we? Or any rights.
FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
There was a physical release
nyankas@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
To be fair, everyone was offered a refund for that game. So technically they probably haven‘t payed for it anymore.
I still totally agree that Sony shouldn‘t go after private Concord servers. This game is very interesting, because it was an unbelievable failure despite having pretty solid gameplay. And preserving that on private servers provides a great way for other developers to learn, and maybe prevent, the tons of other issues leading to the game‘s failure.
mechoman444@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They’re not. Sony refunded all copy’s sold. Sony lost a metric butt ton of money on the game realized it was a massive ideological and developmental mistake and tried to correct course.
For some reason people are being super stubborn about this objectively terrible game.
Jesus just let it die.
Laser@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
On the other hand, why they actually enjoy this, regardless of the reasons, why would they stop?
Sony could just have ignored this
FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Please, tell me how it’s objectively terrible.