So what’s the angle? The Internet is getting flooded by AI slop. AI needs fresh REAL content to train with. That’s the angle. You are there to provide frsh amd original content to feed the AI.
Jack Dorsey Releases Vine Reboot Where AI Content Is Banned
Submitted 2 months ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://futurism.com/future-society/jack-dorsey-vine-reboot-ai-content-banned
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JoMiran@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
Thats a very good point and probably exactly the idea. Dorsey has always just been an actor that says one thing and thinks another.
BonkTheAnnoyed@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Omfg this is so awful it’s likely either accidental truth or a damn good prediction
chunes@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Again with this idea of the ever-worsening ai models. It just isn’t happening in reality.
pulsewidth@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The same reality where GPT5’s launch a couple months back was a massive failure with users and showed a lot of regression to less reliable output than GPT4? Or perhaps the reality where most corporations that have used AI found no benefit and have given up reported this year?
LLMs are good tools for some uses, but those uses are quite limited and niche. They are however a square peg being crammed into the round hole of ‘AGI’ by Altman etc while they put their hands out for another $10bil - or, more accurately while they make a trade swap deal with MS or Nvidia or any of the other AI orobouros trade partners that hype up the bubble for self-benefit.
cley_faye@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Not only it is actually happening, it’s actually well researched and mathematically proven.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
You may want to use AI’s some time for the sake of science. They are many times worse than a year ago.
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
It has been proven over and over that this is exactly what happens. I don’t know if it’s still the case, but ChatGPT was strictly limited to training data from before a certain date because the amount of AI content after that date had negative effects on the output.
This is very easy to see because an AI is simply regurgitating algorithms created based on its training data. Any biases or flaws in that data become ingrained into the AI, causing it to output more flawed data, which is then used to train more AI, which further exacerbates the issues as they become even more ingrained in those AI who then output even more flawed data, and so on until the outputs are bad enough that nobody wants to use it.
Did you ever hear that story about the researchers who had 2 LLMs talk to each other and they eventually began speaking in a language that nobody else could understand? What really happened was that their conversation started to turn more and more into gibberish until they were just passing random letters and numbers back and forth. That’s exactly what happens when you train AI on the output of AI. The “AI created their own language” thing was just marketing.
theneverfox@pawb.social 2 months ago
People really latched onto the idea, which was shared with the media by people actively working on how to solve the problem
FatVegan@leminal.space 2 months ago
Oh god, we have an AI incest flood ahead of us don’t we?
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Maybe the angle is just that people hate Ai? Seriously, especially young people…
Apathy@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Is you a youngin? Cause no product under the control of a billionaire is free. If it’s free, you are the product. AI is hated and they’re trying to make a product using that hate as a basis for target audience
MourningDove@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
It would be great if ALL social media platforms banned that garbage.
Perspectivist@feddit.uk 2 months ago
Or just had a filter to hide it. I don’t feel like banning something from everyone just because I personally don’t like it.
MourningDove@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
I would and I’d have no problem with it at all. If people want AI slop, they can go find it where it is allowed.
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
personally, I would ban it at the federal level and anytime you use it someone shows up at your house and destroys it and throws away all your computers
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Hmmmm, must not be American.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I think such a filter wouldn’t function well enough to keep up, such is the case with search engines which offer the feature, and instead a 0 tolerance ban would be the only effective method.
SouthFresh@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Loops ftw
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
What’s Loops?
compostgoblin@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
A Fediverse platform for short form video, made by the guy who makes Pixelfed
SouthFresh@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Vine, but federated!
Perspectivist@feddit.uk 2 months ago
TikTok but without users.
k0e3@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
TIL. Thanks friend.
Jhex@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Why would anyone touch any garbage this guy produces?!
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
don’t care dorsey is the problem
Concave1142@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Banned for now…
ozoned@piefed.social 2 months ago
Another walled garden that will fracture the system even more and give even more credit to the open social web.
Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
It is on nostr, I don’t like the protocol very much but it is decentralised
snooggums@piefed.world 2 months ago
Is it decentralized like the fediverse or 'decentrslized' like bluesky?
baduhai@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
Except it’s not a walled garden, it’s built on nostr.
BonkTheAnnoyed@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Jack Dorsey once again singing “but baby I’ve changed!”
hard pass from me.
sturmblast@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Lemme hates everything and everyone it seems.
khepri@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Jack Dorsey more than deserves the hate and I’m happy to discuss it with you.
Dayroom7485@lemmy.world 2 months ago
We like our negativity here - it’s still okay to disagree and be positive though!
That being said, Dorsey was fine selling his last media company to the highest-bidding fascist. Chances are he‘ll do it again.
Personally, I won’t use any social media that isn’t billionaire-proof.
rageagainstmachines@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Valid criticism isn’t baseless hate. And, is better to be skeptical than blindly complacent.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
divine.video - For people who want to see for themselves.
logicbomb@lemmy.world 2 months ago
In the main picture, about half of those videos use filters that do something based on the location of the person’s head. Unless they’ve changed the definition since I went to college, that would be classified as a type of computer vision, aka AI.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Yeah they just mean the more layperson understanding of AI as in AI-generated content or as YouTube Studio dubs it: “synthetic media” (pretty good term imo)
Basically just stuff that was “generated”.
I’m sure transformative use of ML like filters etc. would be fine. Even incorporation of generated elements in otherwise a normal video would be fine.
REDACTED@infosec.pub 2 months ago
Honestly, I don’t really trust any cryptobro, I see them on similar level as AI-bros
snooggums@piefed.world 2 months ago
Weird Al is gonna be devastated!
otacon239@lemmy.world 2 months ago
What’s that guy need so much water for anyway?!?!?
Stefan_S_from_H@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
roserose56@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Sure pal, sure. That’s what all said, no AI, and look now.
Can’t wait whe they will offer him 1bilion or scare him to death to put AI on it.falseWhite@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Wasn’t he all in on AI just a couple months ago? Praising how awesome vibe coding is? Fuck that guy. Just another billionaire peddling lies for profit.
Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 2 months ago
As someone else said, don’t be surprised if this is a ruse to hoover up training data that isn’t AI generated. Guy is a tosser.
Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 months ago
To get the perfect selfie please pull your tongue back in your mouth. Good, now close you mouth. Perfect, now lower your phone thirty degree. Great, now lower it thirty degrees more. Almost there! Now lower thirty more degrees and put it the fuck away in your pocket.
Congratulations, you now have the perfect selfie.
UltraBlack@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Love this
alekwithak@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Loops: “Am I a joke to you?”
Everyone else: “Who said that?”
chrash0@lemmy.world 2 months ago
it’s already the case that the distinction between what’s “AI” and what isn’t is a subjective, aesthetic difference and not a technical one
Chronographs@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Detecting it is difficult but what actually is or isn’t AI should be pretty cut and dry. Either nothing completely generated, or no footage edited using generative ai (depending on how strict you want to be with your ban)
chrash0@lemmy.world 2 months ago
what about when the neural networks that power the DSP modules in all modern cell phones cameras? does a neural network filter that generates a 3D mesh or rather imposes a 3D projection, eg putting dog ears on yourself or Memojis, count? what if i record a real video and have Gemini edit the white balance? i don’t think it’s as cut and dry as most people think
shalafi@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I like that the 7 second limit forces creativity. We shall see where this goes. Bet uploaded videos just get posted to more popular sites.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 months ago
Or simplicity and reductive thought
shalafi@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Not it you want something impactful. Creativity and editing are tough to pack into 7 seconds.
mlg@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Jack Dorsey
Go back to sleep, dude has jumped on every consumer trend ever since he left Twitter. AI content is not even a core issue of current social media platforms, despite its overwhelming popularity and loads of posts.
Maeve@kbin.earth 2 months ago
Jack Dorsey can kick rocks.
Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Jack Dorsey 🤢
mrdown@lemmy.world 2 months ago
6 seconds vids. What a joke
y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Lol the original vine is still my favorite dead platform. The comedy you can produce in 6 seconds is great.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
It forces creativity, and sudden endings to things can be funny. I think it’s a better format than the long-ass “shorts” on YT or TikTok for short-form video content. Make it 6 seconds or make it 30 minutes.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
toiletobserver@lemmy.world 2 months ago
dil@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Fine with this, want a tiktok alt and loops went nowhere
dil@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Guess it got an update and you can maybe self host now, idk no marketing budget = nothing federated is taking off, shorts platforms need ppl
Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 months ago
Is it dead or not?
I haven’t been able to log in for a few weeks. I thought they killed the project.
Cheems@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Forgot about loops.
It was kinda clunky
DarthAstrius@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
Rare Dorsey W
henfredemars@lemdro.id 2 months ago
Enforcing that ban is going to be difficult.
scytale@piefed.zip 2 months ago
They’re gonna use AI to detect the use of AI.
henfredemars@lemdro.id 2 months ago
Not if I use AI to hide my use of AI first!
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
Well the AI-based AI detector isn’t actively making creative people’s work disappear into a sea of gen-AI “art” at least.
There’s good and bad use cases for AI, I consider this a better use case than generating art. Now the question is whether or not it’s feasible to detect AI this way.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Seems that way: Image
Krompus@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Ouroboros
nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Just the threat of being able to summarily remove AI content and hand out account discipline will cut down drastically on AI and practically eliminate the really low effort ‘slop’, it’s not perfect but it’s damn useful.
FaceDeer@fedia.io 2 months ago
It's also going to make it really easy to take down the content you don't like, just accuse it of being AI and watch the witch hunting roll in. I've seen plenty of examples of traditional artists getting accused of using AI in other forums, I don't imagine this will be any different.
Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The ban doesn’t need a 100% perfect AI screening protocol to be a success.
Just the fact that AI is banned might appeal to a wide demographic. If the ban is actually enforced, even in just 25% of the most blatant cases, it might be just the push a new platform needs to take off.
osaerisxero@kbin.melroy.org 2 months ago
Only if we let it be. There's no technical reason why the origin of a video couldn't have a signature generated by the capture device, or legally requiring AI models to do the same for any content they generate. Anything without an origin sticker is assumed to be garbage by default. Obviously there would need to be some way to make captures either anonymous or not at the user's choice, and nation states can evade these things with sufficient effort like they always do, but we could cut a lot of slop out by doing some simple stuff like that.
kinsnik@lemmy.world 2 months ago
while a phone signing a video to show that it was captured with the camera is possible, it will be easy too to fake the signature. all it would take would be a hacked device to steal the private key. and even if apple/google/samsung have perfectly secure systems to sign the origin of the video, there would be ton of cheaper phones that would likely won’t.
pennomi@lemmy.world 2 months ago
“Legally” doesn’t mean shit if it’s not enforceable. Besides, removing watermarks is trivial.
There is no technically rigorous way to filter AI content, unfortunately.
edryd@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Just because something might be hard means we should give up before even trying?
Rothe@piefed.social 2 months ago
Of course not, but I don’t think anybody suggested that.