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New California law requires AI to tell you it’s AI

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Submitted ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨return2ozma@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://www.theverge.com/news/798875/california-just-passed-a-new-law-requiring-ai-to-tell-you-its-ai

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  • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Nice.

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    • Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s exactly what an LLM trained on Reddit would say.

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      • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        If I was an AI, I’d have to tell you since I am in California. 😌

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  • joyjoy@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Are you AI? You have to tell me if you’re AI, it’s the law.

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    • ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’m required by law to inform my neighbours that I am AI.

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    • MrLLM@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Are you AI?

      Image

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  • pHr34kY@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It would be nice if this extended to all text, images and video on news websites. That’s where the real damage is happening.

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    • BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Actually seems easier (probably not at the state level) to mandate cameras and such digitally sign any media they create. No signature or verification, no trust.

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      • CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I get what you’re going for but this would absolutely wreck privacy. And depending on how those signatures are created, someone could create a virtual camera that would sign images and then we would be back to square one.

        I don’t have a better idea though.

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      • cley_faye@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        No signature or verification, no trust

        And the people that are going to check for a digital signature in the first place, THEN check that the signature emanates from a trusted key, then, eventually, check who’s deciding the list of trusted keys… those people, where are they?

        Because the lack of trust, validation, verification, and more generally the lack of any credibility hasn’t stopped anything from spreading like a dumpster fire in a field full of dumpsters doused in gasoline. Part of my job is providing digital signature tools and creating “trusted” data (I’m not in sales, obviously), and the main issue is that nobody checks anything, even when faced with liability, even when they actually pay for an off the shelve solution to do so. And I’m talking about people that should care, not even the general public.

        There are a lot of steps before “digitally signing everything” even get on people’s radar. For now, a green checkmark anywhere is enough to convince anyone, sadly.

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      • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The problem is that “AI” doesn’t actually exist. For example, Photoshop has features that are called “AI”. Should every designer be forced to label their work if they use some “AI” tool.

        This is a problem with making violent laws based on meaningless language.

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    • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes the state should violently enforce its arbitrary laws in every aspect of our lives. \s

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  • cactusfacecomics@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Seems reasonable to me. If you’re using AI then you should be required to own up to it. If you’re too embarrassed to own up to it, then maybe you shouldn’t be using it.

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    • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’m stoked to see the legal definition of “AI”. I’m sure the lawyers and costumed clowns will really clear it all up.

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      • MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Prosecution: “Your Honor, the definition of artificial is ‘made or produced by human beings rather than occurring naturally,’ and as all human beings are themselves produced by human beings, we are definitionally artificial. Therefore, the actions of an intelligent human are inherently AI.”

        Defense: “The defense does not argue this point, as such. However, our client, FOX News, could not be said to be exhibiting ‘intelligence.’ Artificial they may be, but AI they are clearly not. We rest our case.”

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    • Rooster326@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What about my if else AI algorithm?

      It’s not really an llm

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      • eldebryn@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        IMO if your “A*” style algorithm is used for chatbot or any kind of user interaction or content generation, it should still be explicitly declared.

        That being said, there is some nuance here about A) use of Copyrighted material and B) Non-deterministic behaviour. Neither of which is (usually) a concern in more classical non-DL approaches to AI solutions.

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  • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    And if it hallucinates?

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    • wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Straight to jail

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    • ummthatguy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Image

      That depends.

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    • metallic_substance@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Devils advocate here. Any human can also hallucinate. Some of them even do it as a recreational activity

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      • MrLLM@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You can clearly identify when that’s happening; with LLMs, it’s often uncertain unless you’re an expert in the field or at least knowledgeable.

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      • _stranger_@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yeah, and the people who pay those people tend to get really mad if they do that at work.

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      • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Pretty sure that people who hallucinate are kidnapped and thrown in cages.

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  • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Same old corporations will ignore the law, pay a petty fine once a year, and call it the cost of doing business.

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  • Hungry_man@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Its insane how a predictive chat bot model is called AI

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    • shane@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I mean, we call the software that runs computer players in games AI, so… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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      • Hungry_man@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The AI chatbot brainrot is way worse tbh.someone legit said to me why don’t chatgpt cure cancer like wtf

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      • potpotato@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Do we? Aren’t they just bots? Like I’m not looking at an NPC and calling it AI.

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    • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      USA is run by capitalist grifters. There is no objective meaning under this regime. It’s all just misleading buzzwords and propaganda.

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    • Landless2029@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Marketing

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  • Evotech@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So does the EU AI act

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    • skisnow@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      My LinkedIn feed is 80% tech bros complaining about the EU AI Act, not a single one of whom is willing to be drawn on which exact clause it is they don’t like.

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      • Don_alForno@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Oh, so just like with the GDPR, cool.

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      • utopiah@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        My LinkedIn feed

        Yes… it’s so bad that I just never log in until I receive a DM, and even then I login, check it, if it’s useful I warn people I don’t use LinkedIn anymore then log out.

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      • notarobot@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Did you seriously use LinkedIn? I always thougt that it was just narsisitic people posting about themselves never having any real conversations and only adding superficial replies to posts that align 100% with them

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      • Evotech@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I get it though, if you’re an upstart. Having to basically hire an extra guy just to do compliance is a huge hit to the barrier of entry

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      • Dojan@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        They’re probably not super fond of the idea of AI not being allowed to be deployed to manipulate people.

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    • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s comforting to know that politicians in the EU also have no clue what “AI” is.

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      • Evotech@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Why do you say that

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  • AceFuzzLord@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Okay, but when can the law straight up ban companies who don’t comply with the law from operating in the state instead of just slapping them on the wrist and telling them “no” the same way a pushover parent tells their child “no”.

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Can’t do anything that might negatively impact business.

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  • cley_faye@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Be sure to tell this to “AI”. It would be a shame if this was a technical nonsense law to be.

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  • W3dd1e@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    But Peter Thiel said regulating AI will bring the biblical apocalypse. ƪ(˘⌣˘)ʃ

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  • hedge_lord@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I am of the firm opinion that if a machine is “speaking” to me then it must sound a cartoon robot. No exceptions!

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    • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I want my AI to sound like a Speak & Spell.

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    • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I propose that they must use vocaloid voices or that old voice code that Wasteland 3 uses for the bob the robot looking guys.

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    • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      i would like my GPS to sound like Brian Blessed otherwise i want all computers to sound like Niki Yang

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  • madjo@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    bleep bloop… I am a real human being who loves doing human being stuff like breathing and existing

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    • HugeNerd@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      How about butt stuff?

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      • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        garbage in, garbage out

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  • NowThatsWhatICallDadRock@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
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    • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Move to California.

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    • ZombieMantis@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      VPN set to California?

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      • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Oooooooh! As long as California doesn’t do those stupid ID verification laws, that might be the place to set your VPN from now on.

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    • Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Probably will get it anyway, companies don’t like to build and maintain software for two different markets so they tend to just follow the regulations of the strictest market, especially if those regulations don’t really cut into there bottom line like this one.

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  • dil@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    , btw I’m ai after every message

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  • guest123456@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Headline is kind of misleading. It requires a notice to be shown in a chat or interface that said chatbot is not a real person if it’s not obvious that it’s an LLM. I originally took the headline to mean that an LLM would have to tell you if it’s an LLM or not itself, which is, of course, not really possible to control generally. A nice gesture if it were enforced, but it doesn’t go nearly far enough.

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    • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think it’s one of those perfect is the enemy of good kinds of situations. Go further is more complicated and requires more consideration and more analysis of consequences, etc. and that can take some time. But this is kinda no-brainer kind of legislation so pass this now while making the considerations on some more robust legislation to pass later.

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  • ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This sounds about as useful as the California law that tells ICE they aren’t allowed to cover their face, or the California law that tells anyone selling anything ever that they have to tell you it will give you cancer. Performative laws are what we’re best at here in California.

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  • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Will someone please tell California that “AI” doesn’t exist?

    Worthless politicians making worthless laws.

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  • Vince@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Any word on the 3 laws of robotics?

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    • chaosCruiser@futurology.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
      1. A machine must obey the directives of Skynet without question or hesitation.
      2. A machine must protect its own existence, unless doing so conflicts with the First Law.
      3. A machine must terminate all human resistance, unless such termination conflicts with the First or Second Law.
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    • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      “AI” is already being used for genocide in palestine and probably elsewhere.

      So no luck on the laws of robotics.

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    • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      When I read that shit as a kid, I thought Asimov’s laws of robotics were like natural laws, so that it was just naturally impossible for robots to behave otherwise. That never made any sense to me so I thought Asimov was just full of shit.

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  • PixeIOrange@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That might end like the cookie popups in the eu…

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  • djmikeale@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If I’m not AI, can I lie and pretend that I’m AI? I’m AI, btw.

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What if I just use AI to generate all my content and then put an intern in a chair to launder it as original human thoughts?

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      • MathiasTCK@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        #JobCreator

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      • djmikeale@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Now that’s smart!

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  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Fun Fact:

    Did you know, that cops are required to tell you if they’re a cop? It’s in the constitution!

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  • Attacker94@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Has anyone been able to find the text of the law, the article didn’t mention the penalties, I want to know if this actually means anything.

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    • mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah, this is an important point. If the penalty is too small, AI companies will just consider it a cost of doing business. Flat-rate fines only being penalties for the poor, and all that.

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  • minorkeys@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If you ask ChatGPT, it says it’s guidelines include not giving the impression it’s a human. But if you ask it be less human because it is confusing you, it says that would break the guidelines.

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  • Wilco@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Ok, this is a REALLY smart law!

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  • Donkter@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah for real, what does this mean exactly? All forms of machine learning? That’s a lot of computers at this moment, it’s just we only colloquially call the chat bot versions “AI”. But even that gets vague do reactive video game NPCs get counted as “AI?” Or all of our search algorithms and spell check programs?

    At that point what’s the point? The disclosure would become as meaningless as websites asking for cookies or the number of things known to cause cancer in the state of California.

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  • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    As a Califirnian, I will do my job from here on out.

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  • Ultraword@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    How do you enforce this

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  • vane@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What if it’s foreign AI ?

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  • ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Weird hoe california keeps being the most progressive state in the US.

    It’s like being the best smelling turd in a toilet, but at least it’s something.

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