Senate report says AI will take 97M US jobs in the next 10 years, but those numbers come from ChatGPT

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• latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  This is how AI will take over… not by wars or competence, but by being better at bureaucratic forgeries…

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  • Gullible@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    AI politicians might be the move after next.

    Corporate personhood(you are here) ->
    Corporation self advocates ->
    Corporations run for office

    I don’t like this future. I’d like to go back.

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    • zqwzzle@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I hate to break it to you….

      www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2znzgwj3xo

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  • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s easy when the first line of every reply is “oh, you’re so goddamn smart. Holy shit, are you the smartest person in the world for asking that question?..”

    youtu.be/TuEKb9Ktqhc

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  • Lydia_K@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    This.

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• phutatorius@lemmy.zip ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Just look at who’s in charge of the Senate, and ask yourself if they are to be trusted to do anything but lie, steal and carry out witch hunts.

  As for LLMs, unless driving contact-centre customer satisfaction scores even further through the floor counts as an achievement, so far, all there’s been has been a vast volume of hype and wasted energy, and very little to show for it, except for some highly constrained point solutions which aren’t significant enough to make economic impact. Even then, the ROI is questionable.

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• Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I think the fad will die down a bit, when companies figure out that AI makes very expensive mistakes that the company has to compensate, and saying it was the AI is not a valid cop out.
  I foresee companies will go bankrupt on that account.

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  • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    When the bubble bursts, whoever is left standing is going to have to jack prices through the roof to put so much as a dent in their outlay. Their outlay so far. Can’t see many companies hanging in there at that point.

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    • BanMe@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Not if the IP is purchased by another company leaving the original saddled with the debt, or spun off so the parent company can rebuy it thusly, or the government bails them out, or buys it to be the State AI too, or a bunch of other scenarios in this dark new world ahead.

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  • a4ng3l@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I put my money on AI act here in Europe and the willingness of local authorities to make a few examples. That would help bringing some accountability here and there and stir a bit the pot. Eventually, as AI commodities, it will be less in the light. That will also help.

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  • jabjoe@feddit.uk ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Good podcast about this bubble bursting : craphound.com/…/the-real-economic-ai-apocalypse-i…

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  • simplejack@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Agreed, but I do think that some jobs are just going to be gone.

    For example, low level CS agents. I worked for a company that replaced that first line of CS defense with a bot, and the end-of-call customer satisfaction scores went up.

    I can think of a few other things in my company that had a similar outcome. If the role is gone, and the customers and employees are being served even better than when they had that support role, that role ain’t coming back.

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    • Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I’m pretty sure that even consumer services is an area where I saw a computer made an expensive mistake, promising the customer something very expensive, and a court decided the company had to honor the agreement the AI made. But I can’t find the story, because I’m flooded with product placement articles about how wonderful AI is at saving cost in CS.
      But yes CS is absolutely an area where AI is massively pushed.

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    • architect@thelemmy.club ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Oh 100%. The question will be are there more opportunities that come from it. Here’s my guess: if you can’t produce something interesting you will be fighting for scraps. Even that might not be good enough.

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• jaybone@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  LOLLLLLLLL that’s like a third of the US population. Probably half of the number currently employed. There’s no way in hell this useless garbage will take 1/3 to 1/2 of all jobs. Companies that do this will go out of business fast.

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  • skisnow@lemmy.ca ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You can tell how competent someone is at something by how good they think AI is at that thing.

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• MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Stop calling LLM AI. It suggests intelligence, which drives the bubble and makes people believe them false facts.

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  • innermachine@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The fact that “AI” training off other LLM slop produces worse and worse results is proof there is no “intelligence” going on just clever parroting.

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• _stranger_@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

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  So they want to keep them terrified of losing their shitty, barely functioning status quo.

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• Smoogs@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Yes but got forbid those jobs be stolen by another country. Can’t have that.

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• Zephorah@discuss.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Thus demonstrating the crux of the issue.

  I was just looking for a name of a historical figure associated with the Declaration of Independence but not involved in the writing of it. Elizabeth Powel. Once I knew the name, I went through the ai to see how fast they’d get it. Duck.ai confidently gave me 9 different names, including people who were born on 1776 or soon thereafter and could not have been historically involved in any of it. I even said not married to any of the writers and kept getting Abagail Adams and the journalist, Goddard. It was continually distracted by “prominent woman” and would give Elizabeth Cady Stanton instead. Twice.

  Finally, I gave the ai a portrait. It took the ai three tries to get the name from the portrait, and the portrait is the most used one under the images tab.

  It was very sad. I strongly encourage everyone to test the ai. Easy to grab wikis that would be top of the search anyway are making the ai look good.

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  • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    If you understand how LLMs work, that’s not surprising.

    LLMs generate a sequence of words that makes sense in that context. It’s trained on trillions(?) of words from books, Wikipedia, etc. In most of the training material, when someone asks “what’s the name of the person who did X?” there’s an answer, and that answer isn’t “I have no fucking clue”.

    Now, if it were trained on a whole new corpus of data that had “I have no fucking clue” a lot more often, it would see that as a reasonable thing to print sometimes so you’d get that answer a lot more often. However, it doesn’t actually understand anything. It just generates sequences of believable words. So, it wouldn’t generate “I have no fucking clue” when it doesn’t know, it would just generate it occasionally when it seemed like it was an appropriate time. So, you’d ask “Who was the first president of the USA?” and it would sometimes say “I have no fucking clue” because that’s sometimes what the training data says a response might look like when someone asks a question of that form.

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  • Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    LOL Maybe AI will be the next big job creator. The AI solves a task super fast, but a human has to sort out the mistakes, and spend twice the time doing that, than it would have taken to just do it yourself.

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    • DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This what’s happening in computer programming. The booming subfield is apparently slop cleaners.

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• Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  If you have a job that you can be confidently wrong without any self awareness after the fact, then yeah I guess.

  But I can’t think of many jobs like that except something that is mostly just politics.

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  • Blackfeathr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Don’t forget the vast majority of CEOs.

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    • thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      IMO AI would probably do the job of CEO better than a human. It wouldn’t be as greedy and would be happy with any growth while being humble enough to make decisions that might be personally embarrassing

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  • WanderingThoughts@europe.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Spam and astroturfing mostly.

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• Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  And over the next 50 years it will take 485 million jobs, and the unemployment rate will be 235%.

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  • architect@thelemmy.club ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    And we’ll all be dead.

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    • popekingjoe@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Here’s hoping!

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• thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  funny… i expected IT workers to be in that list but we’re not. AI couldn’t do my job but it could be my boss and that frightens me.

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  • BanMe@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I drove Amazon Flex during Covid, having an AI as your boss is deeply and perpetually unsettling but ultimately doable! Just do what the push notification tells you to do. If you want to say something to your boss, use the feedback form on the corporate website. So simple.

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  • explodicle@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    marshallbrain.com/manna1

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    • thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’m thinking William Gibson probably gets it right with the Neuromancer story

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  • sexy_peach@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    What do you do?

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    • thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      what don’t I do… some days… I tell you. My job is Systems Administrator

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• SabinStargem@lemmy.today ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I don’t think the numbers themselves are that important, the key bit is that AI is an advancing technology over this century. If we don’t rework our society to account for an oncoming future, people will get run over.

  If there is an overhaul of my nation’s Constitution, I would like economics to be addressed. One such thing would be a mechanical ruleset that adjusts the amount of wealth and assets a company can hold, according to employee headcount. If they downsize the amount of working humans, their limit goes down. They can opt to join a lotto program, that grants UBI to people whose occupation is displaced by AI, and each income that is lotto’ed by the company adds to their Capital Asset Limit.

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  • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    One such thing would be a mechanical ruleset that adjusts the amount of wealth and assets a company can hold, according to employee headcount.

    Expert here. That’s a bad idea. Example: a small law firm, 10 employees including owners/partners/I don’t care how they’re organized. They have 3 bank accounts: their payroll account, their operating fund (where all their nonpayroll expenditures are made) and their client liability account. None of the money in that account is actually theirs, they just hold it while waiting for clients to cash their settlement checks.

    Proportionally, at least at the firm I’ve consulted with, their client liability account is several orders of magnitude larger than either of the other accounts. Technically the money isn’t theirs, they are just custodians, and the interest from that account is their bar association dues.

    My point is, certain asset caps may look appropriate for one industry and simultaneously be absolutely disruptive to others.

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    • survirtual@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      What is it you’re an expert of, here? Game theory? Or do you mean you’re a lawyer?

      If you’re a lawyer, you are not an expert on formulating a society. We’ve let lawyers run things for a long time and look at where it’s gotten us.

      The system needs to promote positive, human centric outcomes. Maybe having clients with that much wealth isn’t fundamentally a positive outcome? Perhaps that idea needs to be reworked as a part of the oncoming changes?

      In other words, anyone dealing with a certain threshold of wealth needs to hire human beings in order to raise their cap. I like this idea a lot actually. The bigger the clients, the more they have to pay if they want legal representation. For billionaires, legal representation would cost an absolute fortune and provide income to thousands of people.

      Honestly I haven’t thought of this pattern but the more I think about it, the better it seems.

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    • SabinStargem@lemmy.today ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      In that case, what would you believe to be an appropriate solution for your industry? I would like your viewpoint, it might refine my concept a bit further*.

      *My approach is assuming a scenario that can be broadly be described as ‘What if FDR failed to save capitalism?’, or a total breakdown of the economic reality we know. That is the sort of thing that the Framers of America did when they made the Constitution. They formalized rules on preventing absolute political power, so I am looking for something similar regarding economic gaps.

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    • phutatorius@lemmy.zip ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      As a more general principle, don’t build nitpicky implementation detail into a strategy document. That’s how you get brainfarts like the 3/5 compromise.

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  • BruceAlrighty@lemmy.nz ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    “If there is a massive overhaul, I would like to use this once in a century event to enact minimal changes that will help to keep the capitalist system in place.”

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• tidderuuf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Knowing the way our country is going I would expect in the end workers will have to pay an AI tax on their income and most workers will start working 50 hours a week.

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  • Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I like you optimism that it won’t be worse than that. 😋

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• twinklefruit@lemmings.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Good.

  Having machines do the work for us is a good thing.

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  • boonhet@sopuli.xyz ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yes, just kill the 96 million people because it’s not like the capitalists are ever going to share what they control and Americans are never going to vote for social safety nets. Not within the next 10 years anyway.

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• Jaysyn@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I.e., made up on the spot.

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• DamnianWayne@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Well my AI says it will take 96 or 98 million jobs, depending on what you want it say and only for $5,000.

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• tal@olio.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I wouldn’t put it entirely outside the realm of possibility, but I think that that’s probably unlikely.

  The entire US only has about 161 million people working at the moment In order for a 97 million shift to happen, you’d have to manage to transition most human-done work in the US to machines, using one particular technology, in 10 years.

  Is that technically possible? I mean, theoretically.

  I’m pretty sure that to do something like that, you’d need AGI. Then you’d need to build systems that leveraged it. Then you’d need to get it deployed.

  What we have today is most-certainly not AGI. And I suspect that we’re still some ways from developing AGI. So we aren’t even at Step 1 on that three-part process, and I would not at all be surprised if AGI is a gradual development process, rather than a “Eureka” moment.

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• Kyle_The_G@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  and then 115 million will be needed to unwind the half-assed implementation and inevitable damage.

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• CosmoNova@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Why even post this here? This is politics BS that‘s used as a diversion from the Epstein files.

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  • TronBronson@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The epstien files is a distraction from dismantling our constitutional law. What laws are you going to try the pedos under? Which courts do you plan on using? You see where I’m going with this? We all know who’s on the list who’s gonna hold them accountable? No one, thus it’s a stupid distraction.

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• weirdbeardgame@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The Senate will decide its fate.

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• expatriado@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  the onion? looks like chatgpt already misplaced adviser to congress jobs

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