ML is basically the same too.
Based and Red Pilled Gigachad, many such cases đ
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SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
whipping out my Horseshoe Theory graph
So, as you can see, the tips of the horseshoe are where the Russian Propaganda lives.
rockerface@lemmy.cafe â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
I prefer the Pac-Man interpretation
joyjoy@lemmy.zip â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Hey horseshoe theory, wanna⌠touch tips?
cm0002@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
[lemmy.world/post/29072279](Documentation Megathread )
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
So Iâve seen.
M1ch431@slrpnk.net â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Yeah, letâs just ignore the right-wing think tanks, conservative/MAGA influencers who arenât on Russiaâs payroll, and right-wing ânewsâ organizations. Itâs totally just the Russia and not right-wingers trying to destroy the country to grab all the power for themselvesâŚ
Denjin@feddit.uk â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Whatâs so insidious about russiaâs psiop over the last few decades is that all theyâve done is gently nudge the dial. Theyâve sown distrust of traditional media and of democratic institutions, theyâve polarised discourse to that communities that mostly rubbed alongside one another reasonably well now are so idealogically opposed to each other that the middle ground has evaporated.
And if you think âhaha stupid MAGAsâ falling for propaganda, I got news for you buddy, youâve fallen for it too.
M1ch431@slrpnk.net â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Youâve fallen for propaganda that convinces you that there is an external enemy to worry about instead of actually looking at the situation critically. Right-wing organizations drive right-wing talking points.
Theyâve sown distrust of traditional media and of democratic institutions
Pretty sure they did that to themselves. I didnât need Russia feeding me propaganda to see through the bullshit, and many others reached that conclusion on their own. The Fairness Doctrine being repealed is one big reason why traditional media failed. Russia didnât do that.
theyâve polarised discourse to that communities that mostly rubbed alongside one another reasonably well now are so idealogically opposed to each other that the middle ground has evaporated.
Right-wingers and liberals alike have polarized discourse. Leftists arenât innocent either, especially MLs (many whom seem to be biased towards Russia), but there are plenty that I have interacted with that or witnessed that were exceedingly fair and human.
Liberals blame anybody to the left of them for not falling in line, constantly mock or berate them for demanding better, and do absolutely nothing to meaningfully do anything to improve their preferred party or improve the human condition in America. As for the right, we all know what they do.
middle ground has evaporated.
Politics and governance shouldnât be a game of tug of war where the right have a monster truck pulling their side and Democrats pretending to hold the rope on their side.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
And if you think âhaha stupid MAGAsâ falling for propaganda, I got news for you buddy, youâve fallen for it too.
Good thing youâre immune, though. Now tell me more about how all of the Westâs problems are actually because of a vast conspiracy theory of evil foreigners.
phdepressed@sh.itjust.works â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
If you look into it an amazing amount of them are further funded by Russia. Not solely but enough to make them bigger than theyâd be otherwise.
M1ch431@slrpnk.net â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
If you look into it an amazing amount of them are further funded by Russia.
You seem to know more than me based on your response. You are claiming an amazing amount are presently funded by Russia, source?
Do these people also take money from right-wing organizations?
DicJacobus@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
They havenât been on russias payroll for years.
They genuinely believe the shit they swill. By and large the paid agents were 5 to 10 years ago.
LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
The majority ARE on Russiaâs payroll, itâs literally how they got famous. They were blackmailable, due to crimes including visiting illegal porn sites and snuff sites, which has content literally made by Putin of his prisoners and people he dislikes to warn others to stay in line and to get blackmail.
So Russia picks someone they can blackmail FIRST, and THEN has them make content that they advertise and have bot armies (slaves, human slaves) talk about in comments etc. They do this EXACT strategy wirh crypto tickers and with fundraisers like for Gaza. If the bots (HUMAN SLAVES) do not perform well, they get tortured, starved, etc. It is literally thousands of people in these networks, and they are working in concert with BRICS, not just Russia.
M1ch431@slrpnk.net â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
You can source your claims. Iâll wait. There is too much here that is hyperbole and not based in reality.
If a majority of right-wing influencers are literally and currently traitors, that is a serious accusation and requires serious proof.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
This is literally qanon tier conspiracy theory
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
You know America is cooked because even the liberals refuse to believe that any flaws in their glorious perfect country are home grown. They can only be the work of subversion by evil foreigners
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Yeah, I donât think they need to be on Russiaâs payroll anymore. Theyâre in deep.
M1ch431@slrpnk.net â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
How is Russia controlling their talking points now? Is everybody on the right threatened, blackmailed, or are otherwise under duress? We know they arenât the most intelligent bunch, but they are being traitors for their own reasons - for the most part.
The major talking points mostly came from the aforementioned organizations and outlets even when some of these people were being paid.
catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
So 80% of lemmy.ml users?
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Probably not 80% of their users, but definitely the majority of the active ones.
anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Im seeing this just after having a while conversation about conservative Christians making a big deal about âfinding truth in faithâ after the Kirk shooting and this feels similar to me
Thereâs this clear implication that the âtruthâ can only be found through your ideological worldview, and a complete abandoning of any attempt at justifying or supporting it through reason. Any piece of information thatâs misaligned is dismissed as propaganda - but whatâs especially annoying is that it doesnât even have to be coherently opposed to truth but merely distracting from whatâs supposedly more important.
Americans are one of the most propagandized populations on the planet - but I wouldnât even put Russia in the top 5 sources of it.
Dasus@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
russia is behind most of the propaganda, and they do it to both sides too. its one of thier core strategies to distract west from russias geopolitical aspirations. i think russia has USA beat on being propagandized, usa is probably 2ND, if at most 3rd.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
You know America is cooked when even liberals are coming up with grand conspiricy theories to blame all of the countries problems on sinister forigners. Any evidence that ârussia is behind most of the propaganda, and they do it to both sides tooâ? Of course not, but it feels right, because it explains the current state of things while still maintaining American exceptionalism, so thatâs good enough.
Valmond@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Thatâs Kremlin propaganda my friend.
Divide from within.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
It doesnât bode well that even American Liberals are all turning into the villain from Dr. Strangelove.
Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
THE LARGEST MOST COMMONLY WATCHED BEST FUNDED MEDIA OUTLET ISNT MAINSTREAM MEDIA!!1!
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EarthshipTechIntern01@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
How else do you define âmainstreamâ than âmost commonly watchedâ? TBH, ALL of the major news teams (CBS, ABC, CNN, msNBC) have succumbed to PumpkinLordâs rhetoric (almost NO calling out his lies or unconstitutional ploys).
Fox is the Eye of Sauron. May Reagan burn in intolerable hell for unleashing that shit upon us.
doingthestuff@lemy.lol â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
This is true. Also there are zero mainstream media outlets that are not propaganda of some kind or another at this point. When you intentionally read all kinds of biased news it becomes more and more obvious.
renzev@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
I personally like to listen to both sides of the story so that I can absorb 2x the disinformation
affenlehrer@feddit.org â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
The cancel each other out of youâre lucky
renzev@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
It depends on the phase. Sometimes you get constructive interference and they add up instead.
EarthshipTechIntern01@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
TBH, Rupert Murdock HELPED Putin refine/put RT on steroids. He was marketing his propaganda (division) here in the USA since Reagan let him through the door. Russian extras are just a bump up in the last 10-15 years.
surph_ninja@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Uh huh. The olâ âanyone who criticizes NATO proxy wars is a Russian stooge.â
SapientLasagna@lemmy.ca â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
As opposed to the old âonly the Great Powers have agencyâ gambit, which is actual Russian propaganda. Heaven forbid countries other than the US, Russian and China be even conceived of being able to take actions on their own.
surph_ninja@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
And what actions are those? Like partnering with the west to install a far-right regime?
21Cabbage@lemmynsfw.com â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Iâm against the corporate elite which is why I parrot the media they stuff in my face!
Una@europe.pub â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
I only trust cats :3
T00l_shed@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
I see youâre in the (warm furry pockets) of big cat!
DandomRude@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Iâm not entirely sure why all of this is being blamed on Russian propaganda. To me, that seems like a lame excuse for the US getting itself into this mess.
In any case, there will certainly be no mysterious agents coming to rescue you from your self-imposed fascism. Youâll have to do that yourselves, so I would strongly recommend that you stop assigning blame and finally do somethingâotherwise, you wonât be able to post on Lemmy anymore because youâll be brought into line by the stateâthen you could complain about Russian conditions, if that were still possible.
LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
You donât know why because you are PROFOUNDLY uneducated about it.
Hereâs a documentary from 2018 with McCain and Clinton: youtu.be/5umiMThrlsA
Thereâs also the book American Kompromat by Unger that goes into SUBSTANTIAL detail for DECADES and shows how Russia has been accruing blackmail globally.
And then multiple protests globally (Romania, Georgia, Slovakia, Serbia) regarding online Russian interference plus many many memos including from our own government.
home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy2766
Russia has engaged in MASSIVE MASSIVE online warfare, including on Lemmy (eg, you, maybe). Itâs more effective than bullets and biowarfare in some ways. Idk how you canât see how big of a deal it is.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Russia has engaged in MASSIVE MASSIVE online warfare, including on Lemmy (eg, you, maybe).
I love completely unsourced xenophobic conspiracy theories topped of with McCarthyist witch hunting
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
The best propaganda takes advantage of flaws already present in a culture, it doesnât try to create new ones
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
You mean like propaganda taking advantage of the fact that most Americans are already incredibly xenophobic to blame all of Americaâs problems on evil foreigners
Nasan@sopuli.xyz â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
This is an extension of the adage that the best lies contain elements of the truth.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Iâm not entirely sure why all of this is being blamed on Russian propaganda.
Because liberals are nationalist American exceptionalists, so they need to find something to blame Americas problems on other than America itself
Nikls94@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
People who consume only a specific source of media are biased as fuck. You donât consume only media thatâs in favor of your beliefs. You have to consume the other sideâs propaganda as well. The truth is rarely spoken by anyone and lies somewhere in the middle.
The truth isnât content. It isnât engaging. Statements are.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Right wingers, do it in a specific way, they have either fox on all day long, or if they are on the computer, they have X, joe rogan or a right wing talking head video playing in the background for hours on end. thats how they reinforce the biases.
William1A@lemmy.ml â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Hello! First up, I just want to say that youâre right. Russia has committed crimes. So, letâs at least understand why that happened, so we donât go around like hypocrites pointing out maga for believing Russian propaganda, while you and I believe western propaganda.
In 1991, after the illegal and undemocratic dissolution of the USSR through neo-liberal shock therapy against the overwhelming majority of the population, fifteen states, which had not previously existed as fully independent countries in the modern, internationally recognized sense, were born. Of which, Ukraine.
Unsurprisingly, when you go from a planned economy to a market economy and the state start rapidly selling assets, the result is inflation, corruption, and instability.
Additionally, Ukraineâs geopolitical location keeps it interesting for western imperial interests. Being the second largest country in Europe, bordering both NATO, Russia, and the further Eastern Block, and a transit country for 2/3 of Europeâs natural gas from Russia, it of course plays a big role in the regionsâ stability. Just interfering in the transit of Russian natural gas is enough to make Russia, a great enemy of NATO, suffer catastrophic economic hardships.
Given all those reasons and access to the black sea, and thatâs how the west convinced Ukraine to trade in its nuclear arsenal for âsecurity assurancesâ in 1994.
Trying to balance a relationship with both Russia and the West all the while the country faces massive inflation killing living standards and eroding public trust in the government, leading to constant leadership changes, but its not enough to explain the initial western intervention in Ukraine.
Since the beginning, NATO has been looking to get its hands dirty in Ukraine, making non-meaningful peace deals to âstrengthen relationshipsâ. A 2008 poll shows that 55% of Ukrainians straight-up opposed joining NATO and only 20% were in favor.
In a Russia-Ukraine-USA agreement, Ukraine was compensated with millions by the USA and low-enriched uranium fuel rods by Russia in exchange for it completely dismantling its nuclear powers. US Aid was given to Ukraine from the beginning. However, while this was crucial in the beginning, it did not come without a price. The US has claimed as a matter of foreign policy that âFor a stable and secure Ukraine is essential for a stable and secure Europeâ through the establishment of the âVice Presidency of the European and Euro-Atlantic Integration in Ukraineâ, which has made Ukraineâs pro-western stance clear since. This was even reinforced by constitutional amendments in 2019, embedding NATO and EU membership as "strategic goals to actively pursueâ'.
In 2004, âThe Orange Revolutionâ marked by widespread protests and reforms. As accusations of election fraud was made (hmm sounds familiar) and that led to new elections. That is true, but from the beginning, the organization of the protest is suspiciously too organized as if they were receiving some kind of help. Until this moment, the US promoted over 65 million dollars to âpromote democracy in Ukraineâ mainly through organizations like freedom house and national endownment, which had, big surprise, agitated many of the youth by organizing rock concerts and setting up posters all over. In the next so-called revolution, Ukrainians protested against the association agreement to reject closer ties with the EU to balance ties with Russia. The narrative was told that riot police and the such were deployed and even shot protesters. What is left out of this conversation is the involvement of far-right groups ХвОйОда. Although they were a minority, they had a large backing, resources, and organization. They were widely occupying government building especially in western Ukraine. The EU and the US staged participation in the protests, actively supported the far-right reactionaries, and a later leaked phone-call reveals US efforts to influence the formation of a post Euoropia government. Poland also played a big role through funding and pressuring the EU to integrate Ukraine into so-called âEuropean normsâ. Image the inverse. Imagine Russia actively funding and supporting anti-government uprisings in lets say Mexico to match its interests in weakening the USA. Imagine a leaked phone call with Putin practically choosing the next leaders of Mexico some even being Russian themselves. Just for a second, think about all this and forget the US exceptionalism. Before moving on, its important to mention that Russia wasnt just standing by all this time. Russia conducted covert and overt operations in the presidency and later in Crimea and Romas. Donât mistake me for being a supporter of Russia. I hate it with all my heart as much as you do, but situations like these need nuance.
Since the 1990s Russia has seen western intervention in Ukraine as a direct threat and was its reasoning for invading Crimea. This constant push and pull between the west and Russia caused the Ukrainians to suffer under a collapsing country being influenced by foreign entities. Even with all that, in 2014, Ukraine took a massive 17 billion dollar lone from the IMF and of course, the IMF implemented neo-liberal policies further ruining life and interest continues to rise so high to the point of insanity. This also further strengthened the already present and powerful Ukrainian oligarchs by major tax cuts yet the payroll tax remained at 50% placing even more burden onto the working class.
With all this in mind, it should be very clear that the policy towards Ukraine and Russia throughout the previous decades has produced outcomes opposite to the stated goals. The US says it views the strategic positioning of Ukraine as a buffer state. Itâs not like this is a surprise. Even back in 2008, CIA director William when he was serving as the US ambassador to Russia stated âUkranian entry to NATO is the brightest of all redlines for the Russian elite (not just Putin)⌠[it is] a direct challenge to Russian interestsâŚâ. Another show of this is the Russian progress made, while the US was debating sending more money to Ukraine. Ukraine is heavily dependent on western weapons and supplies and can not survive on its own. Yet, peace deals are ignored for the continuation of Western imperial interests at the expense of Ukraine, which needs peace negotiations not continued war and western intervention. Defense secretary Lloyd Austin explicitly stated âThe US goal in Ukrain was to see Russia weakened due to the warâ, which is not the case at all and the lack of peace deals and continued western intervention not only is making Ukrainian lives more shit than they already were before the war, but also resulting in more and more countries being involved, potentially leading to WW3 just for some petty western interests.
I truly hope the best for Ukrainians and Russians impacted by this war and hope all of this ends.
Valmond@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
FOUND ONE!
fnrir@lemmy.blahaj.zone â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Damn⌠Iâm desperate, but even I wouldnât suck that
taiyang@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
I mean, sure, like a year ago but at this point I also donât trust what the government and mainstream media say.
theUwUhugger@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Some feel special for being contrarian!
Ileftreddit@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Russia and China have been manipulating discourse in the US since 2016; and American media is happy to let them.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Decoy321@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Sorry, op. Iâm locking this thread to prevent this comment section from becoming a dumpster fire.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Same statement from me, very different result. Death to fascists!
CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
To be fair, everyoneâs views are shaped by propaganda of some kind, itâs quite literally unavoidable if you exist within any society. Lots of people like to think that their ideas are just the product of their own independent thinking, but that isnât really how people work.
AreaKode@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
The key is to be constantly aware of it. Never follow someone blindly.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
So, for example, donât blindly accept casualty numbers for Russia directly from the Ukrainian government?
pressanykeynow@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Thatâs true, but you still follow some propaganda. You are aware of it, great, but whatâs the difference between someone following the propaganda being aware of it and someone following it blindly?
DicJacobus@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
The current state American society has been in for the last 10 to 15 years is heavily a consequence of Russian info ops. Many countries run info ops. But no country has done as much damage as Russia
ProvableGecko@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Yeah, no. American Oligarchs did social media. Youtube, Twitter, facebook, instagram all American. First they did it for money now they are doing it openly for power. Cambridge Analytica, anti-vax, anti-trans, anti-abortion, anti-immigrant all of these are made by Americans to poison the world. And they are going to do much worse with AI. Americans destroyed the world.
AppleTea@lemmy.zip â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
No other country has done as much? Weâre gonna just ignore how much support Israel has thrown behind Trump? Netanyahu was meeting and communicating with him during the 2024 election cycle, all while ignoring the Biden administration! Snubbing a sitting president for a prospective candidate!
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
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LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
We need a national online forum
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Youâre not wrong. I like to think Iâm immune to proponganda because Iâm anarchist but itâs pretty obvious that I can be fooled just as easily as anyone by the pretense of speaking truth to power
safesyrup@feddit.org â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
My then history teacher said everyone is affected by propaganda, even trained and studied individuals like him. To think you are immune to influence from other people is very naive.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Yes, but most propaganda is not specifically fascist in nature.
pressanykeynow@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Is there propaganda that is fascist in nature? Itâs bad propaganda then. Can you give an example? Propaganda should always be for all good and everyoneâs happiness. Specifics donât matter, you can bring the followers wherever you want later.
Photonic@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
While that is true, some propaganda is definitely more harmful while some are relatively harmless.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
its one thing to have different kinds of propaganda , but RW only consume 1 kind of pure propaganda as thier sole source of information.
Valmond@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
For sure, but the Kremlin is like Sauron, and most other propaganda is about which stew is best.
nialv7@lemmy.world â¨2⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
I am not going to believe your propaganda! My pristine, untainted thoughts wonât take this slander. /s