Posting for the "Now guys he was MURDERED! Don't celebrate!" Crowd
I mean, I wouldn’t say “don’t celebrate it” but just because someone else is a piece of shit isn’t a blank check for you* to be a piece of shit.
*Collective “you”
Submitted 1 month ago by cm0002@piefed.world to [deleted]
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IcedRaktajino@startrek.website 1 month ago
cm0002@piefed.world 1 month ago
There's a difference between being an asshole and being an asshole while monetizing it and corrupting the next generation.
Even the CEO guy who got Luigi'd was not as bad as Charlie Kirk in my eyes, he just made evil decisions for profit
Charlie Kirk exported his evil. Taught kids how to be evil. To be all manner of phobic. To hate. He actively worked to make the world a worse place
Fuck him
WoodScientist@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Exactly. I’ve been saying this all day, but we literally hanged people at Nuremberg for doing exactly what Kirk made his whole career doing. Kirk was guilty of incitement to genocide.
Gaja0@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
I don’t like the tone of that. If some dude peddling bullshit gets what he deserves, I don’t see the reason not to relish in it even a little. This guy has been an oppressive POS who’s rhetoric is celebrated by Neo Nazis. That’s like saying, “just cuz hitler died doesn’t mean you get to say mean things.”
Look, I know we all struggle to maintain morality against our emotions, but, sometimes, the reaction is perfectly valid.
itsprobablyfine@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I’m not celebrating his death, I’m celebrating the fact that he will no longer be calling for violence. Don’t see how that makes me the bad guy
Dojan@pawb.social 1 month ago
I respect the dead the same way Hoots and Caelan Conrad do. I wonder if small face man from Toilet Paper USA will get an episode.
Glide@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
With you. We can’t sit here and make fun of him for thinking so poorly of empathy while refusing to show any empathy. He was a piece of trash and needed to be taken out like one, but I’m not going to throw a party over it. It’s a “you gotta do what you gotta do” situation.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
I feel more similarly to when you hear about exotic game hunters getting killed by the endangered animals they were hunting.
This got seems like a huge piece of crap, but I don’t take joy in this. But after all I’ve read he’s said today, yeah, not surprised at all.
I worry this is the start of something bigger though that will be terrible for everyone.
ChimpChamp22@reddthat.com 1 month ago
Having empathy is having the ability to see someone’s emotions and understand things from their point of view. Calling someone out for being am unpathetic POS doesn’t preclude you from being empathetic. Empathy doesn’t mean you have to abide evil.
kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
I always celebrate the elimination of cancer.
aramova@infosec.pub 1 month ago
Schadenfreude.
MithranArkanere@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I keep reading people complaining about how people are taking these quotes out of context.
So went to the source, and I see them in context.They are actually worse in context.
SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Here’s the source
excral@feddit.org 1 month ago
I wouldn’t say he was murdered. He considered himself to be a culture warrior and when a warrior falls in battle, even if it’s a most pointless battle standing on the wrong side of history, it’s generally not considered murder.
philosloppy@lemmy.world 1 month ago
the problem is that he was wrong; Empathy is a good thing. You are embodying his shitty ideology by not having empathy. That doesn’t mean you gotta suddenly like the guy or not call out his shitty ideology, but don’t let yourself get dragged down to his level in the septic tank.
I’ll gladly die on this hill, get at me nerds
pahlimur@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I choose not to have empathy for those who wouldn’t have empathy for me in the same situation. He openly mocked people who die to gun violence, so no sympathy from me. I lean towards enjoying that he is gone. The line for me is killing is bad, but I’m glad he’s dead.
Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
All those people have loved ones, who are surprised that this worked for once
theneverfox@pawb.social 1 month ago
I empathize with him. Live by the sword, die by the sword… In his situation, I’d accept my fate
JaymesRS@piefed.world 1 month ago
Some people say empathy, tolerance, & inclusion are strictly moral values. However this misses that they are also a social contract lest we end up in the paradox of tolerance.
Kirk had none for those outside his in-group. Those outside his in-group owe him none in return.
iii@mander.xyz 1 month ago
You’re arguing for parochial empathy over real empathy.
philosloppy@lemmy.world 1 month ago
How, exactly, does having empathy lead to toleration of unempathetic ideologies like fascism? It logically would make us even more averse to those kinds of ideas.
What a reductive and unnuanced view of the world. I sure hope you are not representative of the rest of the population or we are even more fucked than I thought.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I’ll gladly die on this hill
Come on now, someone already died
tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 1 month ago
No empathy for this scum <3
Sir_Simon_Spamalot@lemmy.world 1 month ago
How touching! Just like how he would’ve wanted!
SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 1 month ago
Stupid fuckers on Australian news are going with the ‘conservative activist’ shit.
Nazi pig got put down like the animal he was. Activism is for the oppressed against their oppressors.
itslola@lemmy.world 1 month ago
A reputable news source, though, or NewsCorpse/Sky/Ch 9?
I checked the ABC News website, and they’re calling him “MAGA Influencer”, which I’ll accept.
Rooty@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Nooo, we need more respectability politics, surely if we kowtow to fascist harder they will see the error of their ways.
veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
In the end, he did get one vaccine shot.
The anti-life one.
More people like him should get their shots. Hey, it’s a matter of public health!
Treetrimmer@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
“I’ma give you a gangster pill, that’s a little piece of lead taken to the head”
elbiter@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I’m not celebrating, it’s just a routine champagne toast. I do it every time a fascist dies of unnatural causes.
bunchberry@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I have seen so many right wingers post something along the lines of “leftists are so psychotic for being happy he was killed, we should kill all leftists in response!”
iAvicenna@lemmy.world 1 month ago
“Some gun deaths are worth in order to have the second amendment”
I hope he had couple minutes to reflect on this before he died.
MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world 1 month ago
My dad was team horse de-wormer back in covid. Don’t talk to him much.
Mom now says the he was a christian and he did everything right.
Guess sometimes parents can suck too
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Is water a horse thirst quencher?
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 1 month ago
So we’re just practicing what Charlie preached by not giving a single fuck that he died by a shooting.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 month ago
trump is honoring him with a military procession, to distract from epstein. people said he was killed over, because he was pining for epstein files to be released.
MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 1 month ago
“A few gun deaths are worth it to protect the God given rights of women and LGBTQ+.” - Charlie Kirk
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
God works in mysterious ways.
ooli3@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
He is right, empathy is a dangerous feeling. Sometimes, it is better to feel it, and still toss it aside when it apply to assholes
Auth@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Oh hell yeah. I’m cracking open a bottle of wine for celebration. I could get used to more of this
ickplant@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I’ve been saving a small bottle of bubbly for something, not sure what. This is the perfect occasion. Cheers, friend!
minorkeys@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Did he actually say that? That literally what genuine psychopaths say.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I had to look it up. The full context is:
So the new communications strategy for Democrats, now that their polling advantage is collapsing in every single state… collapsing in Ohio. It’s collapsing even in Arizona. It is now a race where Blake Masters is in striking distance. Kari Lake is doing very, very well. The new communications strategy is not to do what Bill Clinton used to do, where he would say, “I feel your pain.” Instead, it is to say, “You’re actually not in pain.” So let’s just, little, very short clip. Bill Clinton in the 1990s. It was all about empathy and sympathy. I can’t stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage. But, it is very effective when it comes to politics. Sympathy, I prefer more than empathy. That’s a separate topic for a different time.
Later on Twitter:
The same people who lecture you about ‘empathy’ have none for the soldiers discharged for the jab, the children mutilated by Big Medicine, or the lives devastated by fentanyl pouring over the border. Spare me your fake outrage, your fake science, and your fake moral superiority.
www.snopes.com/…/charlie-kirk-empathy-quote/
It’s not as bad as the out-of-context quote, but it’s still pretty bad.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
didn’t elon musk also say something along the lines? “empathy is a weakness and our demise” or sth like that …
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 1 month ago
I’m sensing a pattern.
No but seriously, the psychopathic allure of leadership (Forbes, sry just the first link I found) is leading to civilization scale decisions which are 1) out of sync with what a reasonable person wants, 2) counter to general human flourishing.
Tech leadership wants us to worry about potential ethical “alignment issues” with a theoretical AGI, but we’re already in crisis if those leading us don’t share our basic human values.
PS. I’m not trying to say psychopaths nonghuman. They’re the same species and probably as conscious as I am. I just don’t think they’re an apt choice to decide matters for humans who do have empathy. Imagine a chef with no sense of taste running a restaurant kind of deal.
saimen@feddit.org 1 month ago
And then there was this guy who was part of the Nuremberg trials or interviewed a lot of Nazis and tried to figure out what they all have in common, guess what: lack of empathy
cm0002@piefed.world 1 month ago
Yes, snopes link: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/charlie-kirk-empathy-quote/
minorkeys@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yeah he was a straight up psychopath. Preferring sympathy means pitying the fate of others but not feeling their experience. Psychopaths generally see themselves a superior to others and pitying people for not being as awesome as they are, while also being confused about the experience of empathizing is exactly what a psychopath does.
blueamigafan@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Well gonna be interesting to see what south park does
theneverfox@pawb.social 1 month ago
Agreed… I am very interested to see if they’ll double down or fold
lukaro@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
I’m not going to celebrate, I simply don’t care that karma struck him so hard.
callouscomic@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Comical to me how many people in some many posts just HAVE to go out of their way to note they aren’t celebrating or some blah blah about any human dying.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Voluntary censorship; this is the world we live in now.
ViceroTempus@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Because Humans in this day and age are little more than Livestock for the Billionaires. Well except those in Nepal for the moment, for the moment they have slipped their chains. Hope they can keep them off.
ChonkyLincoln@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Thoughts and prayers, lmao
TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
That’s what they definitely want, but keep in mind, there’s two outcomes for them: one, you try to hold moral superiority and succumb once again to justifying their victim narratives and allowing them to change the discourse, or two, which they will still claim regardless, that you fight back and they have an additional excuse they would have manufactured regardless.
Anywhere in the world, when things get bad enough, even in USA’s own history, when things get bad enough, you have to recognize you will never get through the mental gymnastics and that you are under a regime that’s only going to get worse. And yes, that certain people are going to try to benefit from that instability and perhaps are even forcing it, but also that sometimes the only answer is to get ahead of the road they’ve paved so you can change the course faster and sooner than they would have expected. Not doing so or even fighting against the people actually resisting against the regime due to their superiority complex is what has ended cementing dictatorships instead of powering successful revolutions back into democracies.
Mniot@programming.dev 1 month ago
The people cheering are just honoring Charlie’s legacy.
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 1 month ago
To be fair, using his talking points that made him one of the biggest cunts on the planet as justification to be just like him, its pretty wild. He was cunt, there no doubt about that. But his death brings that question back onto you. Are you going to celebrate the death of a 31 year old man just because you didnt like the dumb shit he said? If the answer is yes, you might not be the good guy you think you are.
thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 month ago
He wasn’t just spreading shitty opinions, he was spreading hate and fear and creating a dangerous environment for those he didn’t like. He got what he fucking deserved.
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 1 month ago
And what do you think celebrating his death is doing?
I know you keyboard warriors are dumb as fuck, so Ill just tell you. Youre ramping up the other side of your dumb culture war. Youre spreading hate, and celebrating murder. You are the very thing you hate. You just dont have as many followers. But theres enough of you doing it, that right now there will be a number of unhinged right wingers looking for “payback”. And thats on you, and every single other mouth breather out there cheers for murder.
mnhs1@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I hold people like him personally responsible for the violence against POC’s and trans people. So yeah, I am going to PARTYYYYYYY
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The worst thing you can to do an enemy is kill him. The worst thing he can do to you, is have you become just like him. Something to think about… or ignore, if youre already too far gone.
Triasha@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Back during Trump’s first term I would hear people saying “this country is going to fall into civil war” and I told my friends “we are nowhere near a civil war.” Because the conditions were not there. It takes a huge buildup to move people to organized violence. You have to have thousands and in the US case millions or at least 100s of thousands of people willing to kill and die for a cause and we didn’t have that, and still don’t.
But the pandemic came and we saw half the country couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask or get a vaccine to protect their neighbors and the other half saw that outpouring of collective psychopathy and realized that their neighbors were willing to risk their lives and the lives of their family and community to “own the libs” and we moved a step closer.
But you can’t have a civil war like the 1800’s today, there aren’t bright geographical lines of loyalty. I predicted in the Biden administration that we would see a period of rising violence scattered across the country, like bleeding Kansas, but spread all over.
And that is exactly what we are seeing.
We still aren’t at the point where we could fall into civil war, but we are closer every year. Trump is doing his damndest to create the conditions.
I pray we never get that far. Civil wars are the worst short of full on genocide, and they make the big G a whole lot more likely.
puppinstuff@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
[deleted]Triasha@lemmy.world 1 month ago
And if wishes were fishes there would be no room in the ocean for water.
You aren’t wrong, but “could” is doing some heavy lifting.
Geldaran@lemmy.world 1 month ago
They want pity and/or retribution for him for him, then there’s a list he needs to get on. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melissa_Hortman
MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl 1 month ago
good riddance.
halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Political violence is of course bad… but as soon as you call for it, especially indirectly, you deserve whatever comes to you. Stochastic terrorism is still terrorism, and there’s not a lot more American than the fact we don’t negotiate with terrorists.
theneverfox@pawb.social 1 month ago
Yeah, the victim literally called for it. He celebrated it against his enemies, I’m not all that tore up about it
Political violence is bad… But what no one seems to be saying is that it’s a symptom.
You can’t stop it. You can’t take all the guns. You can’t crack down on it.
It’s a sign of where we are as a country right now.
iii@mander.xyz 1 month ago
What? The US negotiates with terrorists all the time
halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 1 month ago
You seem to misunderstand. We don’t negotiate. We supply them because they’re killing people we want killed, or we blow them up.
kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Billy Joel was finally wrong: not only the good die young.
LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I can’t believe he was only 31. Like he didn’t seem that young at all to me