Go on vacation? Believe it or not, banned.
YouTube is now flagging accounts on Premium family plans that aren't in the same household
Submitted 7 months ago by ardi60@reddthat.com to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.androidpolice.com/youtubes-latest-crackdown-may-affect-your-family-plan/
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pleaseletmein@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
Jackhammer_Joe@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Living in a dormitory? Belive it or not, also banned.
AlexLost@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Seems there is a market for spoofing specific IP addresses out there. What if they don’t know you are not at home? I ha e no clue how any of this works…
rumba@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
You just install tailscale on a home computer, tell it it’s an exit node. Install tailscale on your phone and your laptop and whatever other computers you have.
Boom, VPN home and use your home IP.
rekabis@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Sure, it takes a bit of effort. But if you replace your routers with ones that have open-source firmware or actual workstations acting as gateway routers and running business-class open-source software, you can create a personal VPN between everyone involved that shows only one exit point to world+dog.
The trick is with ensuring that all YouTube stuff gets properly and comprehensively funnelled through this exit node - VPNs can easily leak data if not configured properly, and sometimes do so despite good configs - and implementing this even on other devices that require individual VPN connectivity (roaming, like phones).
Plus, having a mobile device’s VPN auto-recognize when it’s connected to a known good network, and have it automatically disable itself in favour of the VPN on that network, is not something that’s easy to do.
Finally, doing so without a high-quality, high-speed ISP plan can easily lead to an unusably slow VPN. The “mothership” exit node, in particular, would have to be gigabit or better because it has both the node and connections to other homes and devices. If everyone started suckling the YouTube teat at the same time, things would likely slow down pretty fast on anything significantly less than gigabit.
camelbeard@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I have been using (re)vanced for many years, it’s free and takes a lot less effort.
x4740N@lemmy.world 7 months ago
God forbid you have a parent who’s living away from home for work purposes who’s using that subscription
RagingRobot@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Yeah and you are also already paying for a set number of people that can use the account so why would it make a difference where they live? My brother is still my family even if we don’t live in the same state. They didn’t call it a household plan
NotKyloRen@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
They don’t care about whether they live with you or not. It’s about providing less service than what you’re paying for. Like how mobile carriers say, “unlimited data*” – *after 25GB, we [may] slow your connection speed to 256kbps
jjlinux@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
Gotta give it to them. They are extremely innovative in coming up with ways of enshitifying stuff.
HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Yo, I’m on my brother’s premium. I told myself if my brother stopped wanting to pay for it I’d pay for it myself because I hate ads that much.
On the other hand, if Youtube itself takes it away from me I’m going to just stop watching Youtube.
olympicyes@lemmy.world 7 months ago
On desktop, check out VacuumTube which is app that acts as a wrapper for YouTube Leanback (tv/console version) and has ad blocking built in.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Revance if you’re on android man. I mean I pay for premium but I still use it to patch the app at least.
xvertigox@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I’m using Grayjay on android, I wonder how the feature set compares to Revanced? I like that Grayjay has sponsorblock built in.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
My entire extended family shares a single household and a single Internet connection. /s
Blackmist@feddit.uk 7 months ago
“There aren’t enough seeds for these AI training data torrents we’ve been downloading. Anybody got any ideas?”
Matriks404@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It’s called Premium Family, not Premium Household for fuck’s sake.
plebeian@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
I’m willing to bet my left nut that they will rename it as such in the future.
PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Ahh classic, punishing paying costumers while pirates don’t have to deal with any of this shit. I guess the beatings will continue until profits increase!
dubyakay@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
punishing paying costumers
Time to dress up as a pirate I guess.
foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
Netflix trend
moonburster@lemmy.world 7 months ago
For those select few that have an iPhone
You have a few options:
- be EU citizen and sideload a cracked YouTube (similar to vanced, but you need certificates on iOS which sucks)
- pay for a dev account and sideload regardless of above
- buy two apps: vinegar and AdGuard. AdGuard speaks for itself, vinegar is a tool that forces YouTube to use the html 5 player inside of safari and thus forcing it to your will
I know iPhones are hated here, but I saw the android will stop sideloading coming from a mile away. At least here in the eu apple can suck one and I can still sideload whatever I want
ijustliketrains@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I just use Brave on iOS. It works fine for YouTube.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
You can sideload up to three apps without a paid dev account, they just expire in 7 days. Use something like AltStore (or better yet SideStore) and you have an easy way to install and re-sign two other apps. They also have the ability to essentially “offload” apps so you can have more than two other sideloaded apps, but only two can be active at a time (other than the signing app)
moonburster@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Yeah or services as Signulous could take a bit of strain away if you don’t want to be limited by the 7 days and 3 apps limit
damnthefilibuster@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Vinegar seems awesome. Thanks! Also, the dev’s other apps are pretty amazing too!
moonburster@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Thanks! Will look into the other apps too!
cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
you need certificates on iOS which suck
I can still sideload whatever I want
??
FiskFisk33@startrek.website 7 months ago
ergo, there are extra steps, which is a pita, but not isurmountable.
moonburster@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I got certificates
yabai@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Amazon is doing the exact same thing. Just got an email today that they’re shutting down the family Prime sharing thing. Had that for ten years now.
socsa@piefed.social 7 months ago
No they are keeping the family plan but shutting down the non household sharing. Now it is "one additional adult and four kids."
mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 7 months ago
I really think corporations are starting to overplay their hands here. People don’t need Prime as much as Amazon thinks they do, people don’t need YouTube as much as Google thinks they do, and so on. Especially in the case of YT, yeah, turns out it’s easy to compete when your service is free. But once it gets freemium enough, things like Peertube start to take a place on the optimal frontier. Right now Peertube only competes with YouTube if you’re sensitive to the dimension of a service being centralized or not, most people don’t give a shit about that. But the dimension of cost and ads? Enshittify YouTube too much and suddenly Peertube has its place for anyone who cares about money or time (i.e everyone).
And Prime? Don’t think people won’t start just going to stores again, or buying directly from producers. At least if I go to an actual website to buy my stuff I don’t need to worry about getting ripped off by some drop-ship fake brand garbage.
People love their little conveniences and will try to hang on to them, sure…but I think this could really start to backfire if they push it much further.
magguzu@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
I think it’s important to keep expectations realistic though…
in the case of Youtube there are very few groups/companies/whatever that could keep up with that kind of bandwidth. Federation helps here but it’s still a pretty niche thing for 99% of people who don’t know/care and just want their social media/forum/video site to work.
unphazed@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Shipping is still free if orders are over $35. Add to cart, order when you have enough. Their 2 day shipping has become bs these days anyhow. “It’s 2 days from when the order is processed.” I bought the shit, money came out of my account, it’s processed. I have made a legal exchange with the expectation that your mutli billion company can place an order and box shit near immediately from 50+ warehouses. I order in the morning, and you’re telling me it took you 2 days to get that order with a preprinted label onto a truck?
weariedfae@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
What?!
yabai@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Yeah, sucks. Give this a read.
REDACTED@infosec.pub 7 months ago
I guess we going back to blocking ads
jwmgregory@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
i never stopped, fuck these vultures - idc how much fake ass american dream-pilled carrots they wave in our faces. always fuck them.
neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
I absolutely hate this stuff. My family doesn’t live in the same house, but it doesn’t mean we are not a family. My mother-in-law and sister-in-law just message us for the passwords when they want to stream something. None of us pay for youtube premium and it looks like I won’t be.
Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Youtube can suck a peener. I will pirate whole channels if they keep fuckin’ up.
figjam@midwest.social 7 months ago
How? All the tools I looked up don’t work anymore
h3ll3rsh4nks@ani.social 7 months ago
yt-dlp. You’ll need to either learn some light command line, or just look up what you’re trying to do ie scraping an entire playlist Etc
Jhex@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I finally gave up when they started blanking out my home page as I turned off history… I don’t even miss it
airportline@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
Google really seems to want to disincentivize people paying for YouTube Premium rather than just downloading an ad blocker.
Soup@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Yea. I mean, I pay for it right now because it’s easy and works on all my stuff but frankly they’re really making me weigh how much convenience really matters. This kinda behaviour’s pretty garbo.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
One would wonder how they’d know that but then again, one knows.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Yup, it’s always tracking…
SaltySalamander@fedia.io 7 months ago
Pretty easy to know, in fact. Same way Netflix, Disney, or HBO knows. Same account, accessed simultaneously from two distinct IP addresses. Not really rocket surgery.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Meanwhile on Steam my “family” consists of 3 adults with different addresses, last names, and credit cards, who have had accounts for decades and never lived at the same place.
We have full access to each other’s library.
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Didn’t know steam even had a family option, it’s good to know
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
It’s pretty fantastic! In the past, you could share a library, and playing any game from that library would lock the entire library so others couldn’t use it at the same time. Today, that is loosened up and is much nicer to use.
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Gabe Newell is 62 years old. Gonna enjoy this gravy train while we can…
Soggy@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Gaben is gonna be the first person to digitally upload their consciousness.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
My understanding is that gaben has already put an action plan in place for when the company moves on from his leadership.
From what I’ve heard of it, the people in line behind Gabe will be upholding the same values.
We should have at least another ~40 years or more of this before sometimes entitled brat inherits the company and sells it off to a foreign interest.
With all that being said: long live gaben.
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Man I hope he lives to a 100 at least, why am I always late to the party, I learn about Limewire and it dies the next year, I get access to my sister’s Netflix account and Netflix goes to shit, I’m finally able to afford a gaming laptop and buy Steam games and now I’m too busy and tired from work to play them and Gabe is getting older. I wish I could go back in time and do things differently
sfjvvssss@lemmy.world 7 months ago
How do you add new people? I tried and a prompt told me that we don’t seem to share a household.
AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 7 months ago
I had that error a couple of times, and it inexplicably resolved itself. Try having the person join again (which may require a new invite). I think only 1 out of 4 members of my family were able to join without that initial error message. This was back when Steam had just switched how they handled family sharing, so I assumed it was just an implementation bug of some sort. One of my friends took three attempts before they could join, but it worked ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Though I will note that steam family sharing no longer works if the person is located in another country for the purposes of Steam billing region (so my Norwegian friend could not join my UK family)
Rbnsft@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Login on their PC or let them login on yours
Crashumbc@lemmy.world 7 months ago
While steam has historically been “good”, doesn’t mean it’ll stay that way…
kayohtie@pawb.social 7 months ago
It’s mostly that a feature on it went from “okayish” to “far more consumer-friendly”, which was incredibly unexpected of them to do. Everyone figured Steam library sharing would die but instead they roll out Family that has far looser restrictions than the system they’d had for over a decade.
Can’t play the same game at the same time unless both own it, and DLC isn’t shared, but my partner being able to play anything I own that I’m not playing is pretty rad of a positive change.
Meanwhile Nintendo’s system got worse instead.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Sure, the 2 constants in the universe are Entropy and Enshitification. When Steam turns to shit I’ll go back to Piracy just like I did when Netflix went to shit.
My point is that companies don’t have to be shit about account sharing and family plans, and people don’t have to accept it.
Ernstrommel@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Meh. Growing up through the 90s makes be resilient and not even the slightest concerned about crap like this. I leave my device on the couch, go outside and enjoy life as I once had before greedy technology.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 7 months ago
Good thing I am never going to go youtube premium.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
I think that’s the point.
They’ve had such trouble even selling YouTube premium that now they’re making it even less worthwhile, and expecting people to still buy it…
I don’t know what companies don’t get. Family means so many different things and they’re trying to dictate and control what it means to be a family. They don’t get to decide that. Many people I consider to be family, have zero blood relation to me, but they’ve stood by me like brothers and sisters when shit goes down, often staying to help long after my blood relatives, have abandoned me. The people I share a bloodline with are simply not as much of a family to me as these people I grew up with, and have stuck with me through thick and thin.
If I buy a “family” plan of anything, I expect that the family I’ve chosen can be among the people I can share that plan with. If I’m paying for a personal plan and sharing it with others, I get it, fair game. But if I’m specifically buying it because I can share it with family, then let me share it with family, or fuck the fuck off with that bullshit.
Sorry, bit of a rant, I know everyone here already knows this so I’m preaching to the choir.
Be well.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Firefox + ublock origin still works to block all YouTube ads
Invidious is a frontend for YouTube that blocks all their trackers and ads
PeerTube is an alternative community ran platform to replace YouTube in the future
mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 7 months ago
I really wanted to like and use Peertube more, but it’s so devoid of any content aside from political podcasts, as far as I can tell. I can’t tell if the search function is bad, or I’m using it wrong, or there really is just that little content. Any recommendations for Peertube content?
SaltySalamander@fedia.io 7 months ago
Chrome + Ublock Origin Lite also still works, fyi.
lost_faith@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
ff+ubo+privacy badger (ff on my distro suggested privacy badger, can’t remember exact number but when ubo blocks over ~1k privacy badger has like 2 - 4 on it, surprising me a little there are not more trackers) on pc, my phone has no adblocking atm and I know their info on me is wrong because all I do see are gambling ads and I have never gone to a gambling site, I don’t even get the scam game ads my gf does on her phone. One day I may try out one of the “delete my dam info” places just to see how much they really have on me
BigPotato@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Just use Firefox Mobile to watch YouTube.
Ad blocking through uBO and can enable playing with locked screen.
CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Invidious sadly doesn’t allow for an account and subscriptions, at least not without running your own server which appears… complex.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 7 months ago
That part is working now
I can load in my subscriptions.csv file from youtube into my subscriptions list on my Invidious account.
bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
As someone with divorced parents this invalidates what I call a “family”.
Sunshine@piefed.ca 7 months ago
More people need to use Peertube.
rumba@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
Peertube needs monetization and the ability for people peer without self-hosting. A torrent client of sorts.
The product, in it’s current form cannot replace Youtube. Youtube gives you traffic, a free place to host even your crappiest footage, and money if enough people start watching it regularly.
Peertube isn’t free, it’s just someone else footing the bill, which breaks under load.
Electricd@lemmybefree.net 7 months ago
Seeing the number of dead torrents, it’s highly likely that many videos will quickly die as well
But it would be nice to have a way to seed.
Problem with all federated platforms: which one should people pick? Most instances don’t federate with others
downhomechunk@midwest.social 7 months ago
I used to be an a friend’s planning exchange for sharing Disney plus. But he booted me after I kept putting weird shit on his family calendar.
“Wash that thing on your back that’s hard to reach and puts out a putrid smell.”
“Soak feet in melted butter.”
I’ve been a premium member since then. I’ve been watching the battle with ad blockers from the sidelines.
Who is winning that battle? This will inform my next move.
girthero@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I just got a notification that Amazon Prime is doing the same with grandafathered accounts allowed across households.
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
Fuck em. We try to pay even tho we know how to get it for free. Go back to ad blockers.
Not a perfect experience but it’s better than putting up with that corporate bullshit.
aquovie@lemmy.cafe 7 months ago
If you watch vapid slop content on Youtube, that’s on you. Don’t blame Youtube for giving you what you apparently want. I watch howto’s, “edutainment”, science and engineering stuff, conference talks, and overall generally positive, helpful content. This is a totally different thing from Netflix, which is mostly just fiction. I’d never pay a subscription for that. The cost of Premium seems like a fair value for what I get out of it, especially since creators get a higher payout for Premium views.
Yeah, Google still tracks you. So does absolutely everyone else, including your ISP that you’re paying for. Until you make it illegal, that isn’t going to change. I’m not going to put everything on hold waiting for better consumer protection laws, shit’s way too dysfunctional for that to be realistic. Life isn’t perfect.
ripcord@lemmy.world 7 months ago
K
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
legally pay for youtube music.
legally add family to family account.
legally share it with them even though they're not in the house
youtube: nope not gonna work for me; account deleted
use yt-dlp to rip songs
save to folder
add folder to jellyfin
share jellyfin with family
youtube: suddenly i can't see