I use a VPN so yeah that’s not going to work.
YouTube is now flagging accounts on Premium family plans that aren't in the same household
Submitted 8 hours ago by ardi60@reddthat.com to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.androidpolice.com/youtubes-latest-crackdown-may-affect-your-family-plan/
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Gaja0@lemmy.zip 34 minutes ago
kameecoding@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
This will be like Netflix pushing against shared accounts, sure it will work and their revenue will go up, but I will stop being a paying customer and will only watch videos from my notebook with adblocks.
Hayduke@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
I have to hand it to them, they are really good at finding new, innovative ways to make the platform worse.
etchinghillside@reddthat.com 1 hour ago
Deactivated Premium recently. I used their music app when driving – expecting some ads now - nope, it just doesn’t allow running in the background anymore.
Seems like such a hostile thing - I’d like to think running ads would be a positive net income for them. (Now that I think of it - maybe they don’t have it built out into their music service.)
sunbeam60@lemmy.ml 5 hours ago
If you pay, the platform remains great. I get a discounted YouTube premium membership through my mobile phone company. I think YouTube is great, I never see ads, lots of features.
Just to offer an alternative view.
aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 hours ago
I pay nothing for YouTube and don’t get ads. YMMV
grue@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Wow, shilling for YouTube premium and anti-net-neutrality (the “discount through your phone company” part) in one comment.
archonet@lemy.lol 5 hours ago
“If you just give them your wallet right away, the mugging isn’t so bad, really. They didn’t even kick my teeth in!” 🤓
overload@sopuli.xyz 3 hours ago
Do you have a means of removing sponsors on the mobile app though? Revanced has sponsorblock and adblock in the app.
ieatpwns@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Do you pay them or did they pay you?
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 hours ago
Why pay for premium anyway? Let alone a family plan. You still get ads. They can be skipped too — SponsorBlock will do it for free. Google could use this but chooses not to.
They want YouTube to be like cable TV. You pay for it. You watch ads. You pay more for premium channels.
Fredselfish@lemmy.world 29 minutes ago
I have YouTube premium and have not gotten any ads.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
I pay for it. No ads. Background playing on mobile, and YouTube music included.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 hour ago
Background playing on mobile
The fact that they put this behind a paywall is enough for me to never pay them a dime.
Dozzi92@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
I’m in a family plan, so when this change hits, going to have to find alternative methods.
AlfredoJohn@sh.itjust.works 1 hour ago
I dont pay for it, use grayjay or firefox with ad block, I have no ads, background playing on mobile and I could care less about YouTube music.
nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 8 hours ago
Fuck GOOG for normalizing surveillance capitalism
Fuck YouTube in particular for making it basically impossible to usefully host an Invidious proxy any more and for their algorithmic manipulationPeerTube is the Way
Mihies@programming.dev 8 hours ago
A big problem with peertube is monetization. There should be some sort of mechanism that’d do that automatically. Otherwise there won’t be much content ever. Don’t get me wrong, I’m really happy that it exists but just don’t see it replacing even few % of YouTube as it is.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 3 hours ago
And you know when exactly YouTube went total ape-shit? The moment people could earn some meager bucks. Then shitty content flooded the whole platform until it was full of crap and actual good content got harder and harder to find in that pile of “you might wanna see this” Nowadays i see the frontpage, sigh in disgust and close the page. And I haven’t even seen an ad there yet. This would be the cherry on top
floofloof@lemmy.ca 1 hour ago
Where would the money come from?
Chozo@fedia.io 7 hours ago
If you want monetization and scalability, you're gonna have to get ads. Ad-free subscription services that actually benefit the creators are exceedingly rare. Very few people (less than 0.1%) are "making it" on Patreon and the like. The bitter truth is that most users can't afford to financially support their favorite creators, and damn near zero creators could get the level of exposure needed to be sustainable without an ad-based platform backing them.
Video hosting is expensive af. Ultimately, small-time content creation is completely dependent on corporate benefactors. This is why every video platform that's tried to compete against YouTube has failed. Nebula is trying, but that's only useful to creators who fit within its specific niche.
I'm not saying this as a vote of support for the current system. Just an observation of how the market has played out so far.
kokesh@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
The whole internet has gone to shit
comrade19@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Not here though. This is the good stuff
MourningDove@lemmy.zip 5 hours ago
And this still won’t be enough to stop people from using it.
rozodru@piefed.social 3 hours ago
it's because Youtube is a content monopoly. TikTok is a platform for short content...on youtube it's a feature with shorts. Twitch is a platform for live streaming content...on youtube it's a feature with, other than discoverability, the same features. Any music streaming service? again...it's a feature on youtube. The fact I could export my playlists from any music streaming platform and import it to Youtube and listen to it ad free via an ad blocker? come on. So as opposed to using multiple platforms, with youtube you have it all in one place. So no, this will not get people to stop using it.
Premium you don't need if you're even the slightest bit tech savvy. but no one is ever going to stop using youtube, there's no point. I mean I use peertube as much as possible but every now and then I'm back on youtube because of all those features in one place and some things I just can't find on peertube.
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 hours ago
If you use a tv to watch, like my parents, this doesn’t work.
Tenkard@lemmy.ml 3 hours ago
Or to start using it. I’m not sure I know anybody actually using it
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
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ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Imagine paying for youtube lmao
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 hours ago
Ill immediately cancel and goto pure piracy if they do this to me. I’m getting so tired of this shit 🥲
aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 hours ago
do it anyway. don’t give money to google.
TuxEnthusiast@sopuli.xyz 5 hours ago
You can always download the video with yt-dlp and watch it offline.
DaddleDew@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
There are people actually paying for this crap?
wackoCamel@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
I have a hot take. I pretty much exclusively watch YouTube as my form of TV entertainment. On most days, I watch many hours between putting something on to go to sleep or actually watching stuff in the day such as training courses or whatever. Sure, I could easily set up my TVs and devices to work around it, but I think it’s actually worth it to just pay for Premium and not have the hassle. I feel I get more than my fair share out of it.
Tetsuo@jlai.lu 5 hours ago
What I’m not ok with YouTube premium :
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The price is too high for a subscription. For that price I could get thousands of movies on a competing service like Netflix.
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Even if you tzkr YouTube premium they are still farming your data and selling it to third parties.
So even if I watch a ton of YT I refuse to pay to sell my data.
If I pay for YT they have to not track me and not sell my data (at least data coming from YT).
So yeah taking YT is hassle free but is quite the scam if you think avout it. Before paying you were the product. After paying you are still the product but on top of that you give them money.
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sunbeam60@lemmy.ml 5 hours ago
Same here. I’ve cancelled Netflix, never got Disney plus, never use prime (though I think I have access to something through prime shipping).
YouTube however; I watch this every single day, use it for learning, relaxation, documentaries etc.
It’s a fantastic platform and well worth the subscription AFAICS.
stsquad@lemmy.ml 6 hours ago
I’m similar - and my kids even more so. As they only watch YouTube on the main TV it’s a pain to get alternate frontends on it I also like the fact there are no ads. I think the creators get a bigger cut per premium view Vs ad views, especially if they get blocked.
DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 6 hours ago
I honestly wouldn’t mind paying for it if it didn’t feel like such a fucking rip-off.
For example, for £19 a month I could sub to Netflix top tier. For that, I and three others could watch their stuff in UHD, all at the same time. And sure, Netflix content might be somewhat average these days, but it’s still reasonably high quality and costs a decent packet to produce.
By contrast, YT Premium for family is £20 a month, with which I can access a bunch of videos that, while enjoyable, do not cost Google anything to make. Yes, hosting costs money, and yes, they (theoretically) pay the video creators. But it doesn’t feel like £20 a month, y’know?
Part of the trouble is that they lump YT Music in to the same subscription. But I don’t want or need that. I have Apple Music with its lossless catalogue, and library that I’ve built up over many years. If YT offered a straight up ad-free plan that I could share with my family that cost a tenner a month, I’d probably go for it. It would mean being able to watch videos on Apple TV without having to fuck about downloading them to my Plex folder first, because they’ve injected SO MANY ADVERTS in now that the YT app is completely unusable.
sunbeam60@lemmy.ml 5 hours ago
It’s too expensive agreed. However YouTube has a lot of discounted memberships through other services. I wouldn’t pay full price for it, but through my mobile phone company I get more than 50% off and that’s a bloody great deal.
luftruessel@feddit.org 7 hours ago
So nice of them. They help me cut the strings to the last google service I was not quite committed do ditch
sorghum@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
So is it YouTube family or YouTube household?
Either way, probably need to setup site to site VPN and route YouTube traffic through a central location, if you can block geolocation.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 5 hours ago
People buy a pile of rotting shit and then wonder why it stinks.
UnculturedSwine@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 hours ago
GTK. I think they flagged my account since I share it with my spouse and some of my basic features disappeared recently like mini-player in the browser. I might need to unsubscribe and just rely on Firefox with an ad blocker. Nebula and Patreon are good alternatives as well.
Archr@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
I noticed that too. Thought it was just regular YouTube jank as usual.
SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 7 hours ago
Run a personal VPN server at the home address and have external users route through it. I’d think it’d work for any subscription service doing this crap. I’m surprised nobody has started selling a turnkey self-hosted VPN device that even a non-techie can get running in a few steps - all the end users would need is an app that does split tunneling for the media players.
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 hours ago
I live 10000km from my mom, it’s just not efficient
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 5 hours ago
Or just don’t pay for this shit that sooner or later will win the race anyway, no matter how much “resistance” you’d show.
vpklotar@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
I’m thinking of doing the same but the issue is setting up the policy based routing so that only YouTube goes through that VPN.
ronigami@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Meanwhile I installed the User Agent Switcher extension for firefox to change my user agent every 30 seconds to something random to avoid tracking. A few websites don’t accept it. I just quit those websites and find a non-billionaire-owned alternative like Kagi or Fastmail. So far it’s working out well.
blurb@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
That likely makes you easier to track. User agents don’t really matter all that much if an advanced tracking script is used. When your IP address is the same, your browser engine is the same, your canvas data stays the same, your window size stays the same, your operating system stays the same, then they will just know that you also use an extension that makes your user agent not reflect your system and track you based on that too.
Use Mullvad Browser without changing anything important (change the default search engine at most) and preferably use a proper VPN to actually avoid tracking during regular internet usage. Or use LibreWolf to at least fool naive scripts.
I would suggest reading this too:
github.com/…/3.3-Overrides-[To-RFP-or-Not]Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 4 hours ago
YT forces me to login if I am using a VPN these days, if I use Firefox or Safari. Brave avoids this. I will have to try Mullvad.
kinkles@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
Well fuck. It never crossed my mind that YouTube would do this since I don’t view it the same as other traditional streaming services. This will really suck for my friends who I’ve happily let mooch off my plan for years.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 3 hours ago
You pay a scammer to scam you and wonder why you get scammed? Their course was clear the moment they ditched their slogan “don’t be evil”. And here we are, again.
fodor@lemmy.zip 7 hours ago
It’s always nice when the garbage takes itself out. And if you’re inconvenienced, I feel for you, but the writing has been on the wall for years. They will keep trying to suck more money out of you every way they can until you cancel your subscription, and because that’s going to happen in the end, why not cancel it today.
mysticpickle@lemmy.ca 6 hours ago
Anyone who actually pays for this shit has it coming.
Squizzy@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
NewPipe told me I was IP banned last week but it went away.
I’d rather stop using than give them money.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 6 hours ago
How are they able to tell if you are in a different household ? If the user use different VPNs then it shouldn’t be able to tell the different between that and being in different locations. So are they gathering internal network data, are they spying on the LAN and wifi ?
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 5 hours ago
Your browser sends more data than you want it to. And if it’s a specific app you’re talking about, they can do whatever they want and spy you dry. There’s a reason every shitty shit wants you to install their app instead of just using their fucking webpage, which already sucks enough.
aquovie@lemmy.cafe 2 minutes ago
If you watch vapid slop content on Youtube, that’s on you. Don’t blame Youtube for giving you what you apparently want. I watch howto’s, “edutainment”, science and engineering stuff, conference talks, and overall generally positive, helpful content. This is a totally different thing from Netflix, which is mostly just fiction. I’d never pay a subscription for that. The cost of Premium seems like a fair value for what I get out of it, especially since creators get a higher payout for Premium views.
Yeah, Google still tracks you. So does absolutely everyone else, including your ISP that you’re paying for. Until you make it illegal, that isn’t going to change. I’m not going to put everything on hold waiting for better consumer protection laws, shit’s way too dysfunctional for that to be realistic. Life isn’t perfect.