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PeerTube is the Way
YouTube is now flagging accounts on Premium family plans that aren't in the same household
Submitted 2 weeks ago by ardi60@reddthat.com to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.androidpolice.com/youtubes-latest-crackdown-may-affect-your-family-plan/
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nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Mihies@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
A big problem with peertube is monetization. There should be some sort of mechanism that’d do that automatically. Otherwise there won’t be much content ever. Don’t get me wrong, I’m really happy that it exists but just don’t see it replacing even few % of YouTube as it is.
Chozo@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
If you want monetization and scalability, you're gonna have to get ads. Ad-free subscription services that actually benefit the creators are exceedingly rare. Very few people (less than 0.1%) are "making it" on Patreon and the like. The bitter truth is that most users can't afford to financially support their favorite creators, and damn near zero creators could get the level of exposure needed to be sustainable without an ad-based platform backing them.
Video hosting is expensive af. Ultimately, small-time content creation is completely dependent on corporate benefactors. This is why every video platform that's tried to compete against YouTube has failed. Nebula is trying, but that's only useful to creators who fit within its specific niche.
I'm not saying this as a vote of support for the current system. Just an observation of how the market has played out so far.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
And you know when exactly YouTube went total ape-shit? The moment people could earn some meager bucks. Then shitty content flooded the whole platform until it was full of crap and actual good content got harder and harder to find in that pile of “you might wanna see this” Nowadays i see the frontpage, sigh in disgust and close the page. And I haven’t even seen an ad there yet. This would be the cherry on top
chunes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Monetization itself is the problem.
greenbelt@lemy.lol 6 days ago
Or bit-torrent swarms for video sharing?
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Linearity@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
*available on all platforms and browsers (including iOS/iPadOS)
BurntWits@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
uBlock Origin is also available on iOS/iPadOS but only through the Orion browser. It would be nice if other browsers figured out how to allow Firefox extensions too but so far it looks to just be Orion.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Meanwhile on Steam my “family” consists of 3 adults with different addresses, last names, and credit cards, who have had accounts for decades and never lived at the same place.
We have full access to each other’s library.
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Gabe Newell is 62 years old. Gonna enjoy this gravy train while we can…
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Man I hope he lives to a 100 at least, why am I always late to the party, I learn about Limewire and it dies the next year, I get access to my sister’s Netflix account and Netflix goes to shit, I’m finally able to afford a gaming laptop and buy Steam games and now I’m too busy and tired from work to play them and Gabe is getting older. I wish I could go back in time and do things differently
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
My understanding is that gaben has already put an action plan in place for when the company moves on from his leadership.
From what I’ve heard of it, the people in line behind Gabe will be upholding the same values.
We should have at least another ~40 years or more of this before sometimes entitled brat inherits the company and sells it off to a foreign interest.
With all that being said: long live gaben.
Soggy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Gaben is gonna be the first person to digitally upload their consciousness.
Crashumbc@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
While steam has historically been “good”, doesn’t mean it’ll stay that way…
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Sure, the 2 constants in the universe are Entropy and Enshitification. When Steam turns to shit I’ll go back to Piracy just like I did when Netflix went to shit.
My point is that companies don’t have to be shit about account sharing and family plans, and people don’t have to accept it.
kayohtie@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
It’s mostly that a feature on it went from “okayish” to “far more consumer-friendly”, which was incredibly unexpected of them to do. Everyone figured Steam library sharing would die but instead they roll out Family that has far looser restrictions than the system they’d had for over a decade.
Can’t play the same game at the same time unless both own it, and DLC isn’t shared, but my partner being able to play anything I own that I’m not playing is pretty rad of a positive change.
Meanwhile Nintendo’s system got worse instead.
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Didn’t know steam even had a family option, it’s good to know
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
It’s pretty fantastic! In the past, you could share a library, and playing any game from that library would lock the entire library so others couldn’t use it at the same time. Today, that is loosened up and is much nicer to use.
sfjvvssss@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
How do you add new people? I tried and a prompt told me that we don’t seem to share a household.
AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
I had that error a couple of times, and it inexplicably resolved itself. Try having the person join again (which may require a new invite). I think only 1 out of 4 members of my family were able to join without that initial error message. This was back when Steam had just switched how they handled family sharing, so I assumed it was just an implementation bug of some sort. One of my friends took three attempts before they could join, but it worked ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Though I will note that steam family sharing no longer works if the person is located in another country for the purposes of Steam billing region (so my Norwegian friend could not join my UK family)
Rbnsft@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Login on their PC or let them login on yours
kokesh@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The whole internet has gone to shit
comrade19@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Not here though. This is the good stuff
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Firefox + ublock origin still works to block all YouTube ads
Invidious is a frontend for YouTube that blocks all their trackers and ads
PeerTube is an alternative community ran platform to replace YouTube in the future
lost_faith@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
ff+ubo+privacy badger (ff on my distro suggested privacy badger, can’t remember exact number but when ubo blocks over ~1k privacy badger has like 2 - 4 on it, surprising me a little there are not more trackers) on pc, my phone has no adblocking atm and I know their info on me is wrong because all I do see are gambling ads and I have never gone to a gambling site, I don’t even get the scam game ads my gf does on her phone. One day I may try out one of the “delete my dam info” places just to see how much they really have on me
BigPotato@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Just use Firefox Mobile to watch YouTube.
Ad blocking through uBO and can enable playing with locked screen.
mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
I really wanted to like and use Peertube more, but it’s so devoid of any content aside from political podcasts, as far as I can tell. I can’t tell if the search function is bad, or I’m using it wrong, or there really is just that little content. Any recommendations for Peertube content?
SaltySalamander@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
Chrome + Ublock Origin Lite also still works, fyi.
CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Invidious sadly doesn’t allow for an account and subscriptions, at least not without running your own server which appears… complex.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That part is working now
I can load in my subscriptions.csv file from youtube into my subscriptions list on my Invidious account.
airportline@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Google really seems to want to disincentivize people paying for YouTube Premium rather than just downloading an ad blocker.
Soup@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yea. I mean, I pay for it right now because it’s easy and works on all my stuff but frankly they’re really making me weigh how much convenience really matters. This kinda behaviour’s pretty garbo.
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Why pay for premium anyway? Let alone a family plan. You still get ads. They can be skipped too — SponsorBlock will do it for free. Google could use this but chooses not to.
They want YouTube to be like cable TV. You pay for it. You watch ads. You pay more for premium channels.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I pay for it. No ads. Background playing on mobile, and YouTube music included.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Background playing on mobile
The fact that they put this behind a paywall is enough for me to never pay them a dime.
Dozzi92@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m in a family plan, so when this change hits, going to have to find alternative methods.
AlfredoJohn@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I dont pay for it, use grayjay or firefox with ad block, I have no ads, background playing on mobile and I could care less about YouTube music.
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
So you’re using SponsorBlock as well, or you’re watching videos without sponsors.
nucleative@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I pay for it, also no ads except the sponsor plugs, which are pretty easy to skip. Overall a better experience than the non premium. I don’t live in the USA so my cost is like $5/month.
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
The three people who replied before you said they don’t get the sponsor plugs.
When I had YTP (I had a trial, it was like 3 months for $1), I got the sponsored segments. So either those other people are lying, or they don’t understand what I’m saying.
bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
YouTube is my only subscription.
I use it for Music and Video. I definitely get my money’s worth, they’re streaming to me at least 8 hours a day.
If it’s not background music, it’s videos. I can’t even fathom how many hours of ads I have avoided.
stoly@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You don’t get ads. You pay less than double what two premiums cost and your household can share.
Fredselfish@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I have YouTube premium and have not gotten any ads.
krunklom@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
YouTube is fucking garbage.
I don’t care about the ads because it’s fucking garbage, and why would I watch garbage?
Simyon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I pay for premium because currently it’s the easier option for getting no Ads on all my devices. Yes I could install a third party client on my TV, Phone & use uBlock on Desktop, but two of those require active upkeep.
- YouTube Music is included.
For sponsorships, YouTube Premium has the “Skip Ahead” feature which basically leeches off sponsorblock users where commonly skipped sections can be also skipped by you.
It’s just currently easier to pay than to pirate. I will say however, if it gets too shitty, I will resort back to pirating.
bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
As someone with divorced parents this invalidates what I call a “family”.
Matriks404@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s called Premium Family, not Premium Household for fuck’s sake.
plebeian@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I’m willing to bet my left nut that they will rename it as such in the future.
PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Ahh classic, punishing paying costumers while pirates don’t have to deal with any of this shit. I guess the beatings will continue until profits increase!
dubyakay@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
punishing paying costumers
Time to dress up as a pirate I guess.
MourningDove@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
And this still won’t be enough to stop people from using it.
rozodru@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
it's because Youtube is a content monopoly. TikTok is a platform for short content...on youtube it's a feature with shorts. Twitch is a platform for live streaming content...on youtube it's a feature with, other than discoverability, the same features. Any music streaming service? again...it's a feature on youtube. The fact I could export my playlists from any music streaming platform and import it to Youtube and listen to it ad free via an ad blocker? come on. So as opposed to using multiple platforms, with youtube you have it all in one place. So no, this will not get people to stop using it.
Premium you don't need if you're even the slightest bit tech savvy. but no one is ever going to stop using youtube, there's no point. I mean I use peertube as much as possible but every now and then I'm back on youtube because of all those features in one place and some things I just can't find on peertube.
Tenkard@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Or to start using it. I’m not sure I know anybody actually using it
Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Youtube can suck a peener. I will pirate whole channels if they keep fuckin’ up.
figjam@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
How? All the tools I looked up don’t work anymore
sorghum@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
So is it YouTube family or YouTube household?
Either way, probably need to setup site to site VPN and route YouTube traffic through a central location, if you can block geolocation.
kameecoding@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This will be like Netflix pushing against shared accounts, sure it will work and their revenue will go up, but I will stop being a paying customer and will only watch videos from my notebook with adblocks.
madcaesar@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I cancelled Netflix when they did the sharing bullshit and I cancelled prime when they wanted MORE money to not give me ads. Fuck that.
However, you and I seem to be in the minority since these mega corps push one bullshit after another and people just bend over and go “please use lube this time…”
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Imagine paying for youtube lmao
Sunshine@piefed.ca 2 weeks ago
That amount of money should go to Peertube instead…
DaddleDew@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There are people actually paying for this crap?
wackoCamel@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I have a hot take. I pretty much exclusively watch YouTube as my form of TV entertainment. On most days, I watch many hours between putting something on to go to sleep or actually watching stuff in the day such as training courses or whatever. Sure, I could easily set up my TVs and devices to work around it, but I think it’s actually worth it to just pay for Premium and not have the hassle. I feel I get more than my fair share out of it.
DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
I honestly wouldn’t mind paying for it if it didn’t feel like such a fucking rip-off.
For example, for £19 a month I could sub to Netflix top tier. For that, I and three others could watch their stuff in UHD, all at the same time. And sure, Netflix content might be somewhat average these days, but it’s still reasonably high quality and costs a decent packet to produce.
By contrast, YT Premium for family is £20 a month, with which I can access a bunch of videos that, while enjoyable, do not cost Google anything to make. Yes, hosting costs money, and yes, they (theoretically) pay the video creators. But it doesn’t feel like £20 a month, y’know?
Part of the trouble is that they lump YT Music in to the same subscription. But I don’t want or need that. I have Apple Music with its lossless catalogue, and library that I’ve built up over many years. If YT offered a straight up ad-free plan that I could share with my family that cost a tenner a month, I’d probably go for it. It would mean being able to watch videos on Apple TV without having to fuck about downloading them to my Plex folder first, because they’ve injected SO MANY ADVERTS in now that the YT app is completely unusable.
neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I absolutely hate this stuff. My family doesn’t live in the same house, but it doesn’t mean we are not a family. My mother-in-law and sister-in-law just message us for the passwords when they want to stream something. None of us pay for youtube premium and it looks like I won’t be.
luftruessel@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
So nice of them. They help me cut the strings to the last google service I was not quite committed do ditch
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Fuck em. We try to pay even tho we know how to get it for free. Go back to ad blockers.
Not a perfect experience but it’s better than putting up with that corporate bullshit.
REDACTED@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
I guess we going back to blocking ads
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 2 weeks ago
Good thing I am never going to go youtube premium.
Gaja0@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I use a VPN so yeah that’s not going to work.
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Ill immediately cancel and goto pure piracy if they do this to me. I’m getting so tired of this shit 🥲
moonburster@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
For those select few that have an iPhone
You have a few options:
- be EU citizen and sideload a cracked YouTube (similar to vanced, but you need certificates on iOS which sucks)
- pay for a dev account and sideload regardless of above
- buy two apps: vinegar and AdGuard. AdGuard speaks for itself, vinegar is a tool that forces YouTube to use the html 5 player inside of safari and thus forcing it to your will
I know iPhones are hated here, but I saw the android will stop sideloading coming from a mile away. At least here in the eu apple can suck one and I can still sideload whatever I want
UnculturedSwine@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
GTK. I think they flagged my account since I share it with my spouse and some of my basic features disappeared recently like mini-player in the browser. I might need to unsubscribe and just rely on Firefox with an ad blocker. Nebula and Patreon are good alternatives as well.
jjlinux@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Gotta give it to them. They are extremely innovative in coming up with ways of enshitifying stuff.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
People buy a pile of rotting shit and then wonder why it stinks.
Jhex@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I finally gave up when they started blanking out my home page as I turned off history… I don’t even miss it
girthero@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I just got a notification that Amazon Prime is doing the same with grandafathered accounts allowed across households.
Hayduke@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I have to hand it to them, they are really good at finding new, innovative ways to make the platform worse.
sunbeam60@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
If you pay, the platform remains great. I get a discounted YouTube premium membership through my mobile phone company. I think YouTube is great, I never see ads, lots of features.
Just to offer an alternative view.
aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I pay nothing for YouTube and don’t get ads. YMMV
archonet@lemy.lol 2 weeks ago
“If you just give them your wallet right away, the mugging isn’t so bad, really. They didn’t even kick my teeth in!” 🤓
grue@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Wow, shilling for YouTube premium and anti-net-neutrality (the “discount through your phone company” part) in one comment.
overload@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Do you have a means of removing sponsors on the mobile app though? Revanced has sponsorblock and adblock in the app.
techt@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Weird number of downvotes here – I thought they were meant for low-effort or non contributive comments, not an “I disagree” button. This person is giving a unique perspective as a subscriber (in this thread, anyway) and should be met with curiosity, I think. It is helpful to know that there are people who enjoy paying for it, so thanks for giving your opinion here.
I disagree because they have a dominant position for reasons other than having a good product – they squash competition trying to make the space better while themselves actively making it worse. Subscribing means supporting that style of inhibiting innovation, not to mention the other user-hostile practices they embrace (extend, extinguish). They are an ad company and obligated to make a profit, I get that, but I refuse to abide this style of using investor money to operate at a loss for years while deceptively capturing the market before raising prices. If your product is good, it shouldn’t need to be artificially propped up.
Broken@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
I’m OK with your opinion and I appreciate hearing an alternate view to offset the echo chamber effect.
But for a lot of us, or at least me, its far deeper than just cost and ads.
It’s the fact that steps keep being taken to make the platform worse. They don’t want the platform usable unless you pay, and in this case they’re even taking a stab at the people who pay…you don’t pay enough in their mind.
If they had balls, they would just make it a closed platform. Pay to access, and restrict that per account IP. But they’d rather gaslight everybody and slowly turn up he heat so the frogs don’t jump out if the pot. This way they maximize their profits for longer. Point of all of that is, they don’t care about he platform or service at all.
For me, its not even about that. Their algorithm was so jacked up I was sick of being fed videos I didn’t want to see over and over, and videos I’ve already watched over and over. That’s why they added the subscription bell…because you would subscribe to things you wanted to watch and they never showed it to you. It wasn’t “you” tube it was “their” tube.
I bailed on them years ago. I still watch some content on there because there really isn’t a viable alternative. I use a scraper that gives me a feed of just what I want and without ads. I watch what I like and move on with my day. I’m back in control of my video viewing.
ieatpwns@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Do you pay them or did they pay you?
etchinghillside@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
Deactivated Premium recently. I used their music app when driving – expecting some ads now - nope, it just doesn’t allow running in the background anymore.
Seems like such a hostile thing - I’d like to think running ads would be a positive net income for them. (Now that I think of it - maybe they don’t have it built out into their music service.)
sucius@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Revanced
Broken@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Makes me long for the days of google music. It just worked. Streamed stuff and even allowed you to stream your own library that you had stored in drive. I would use that in the car. Then they ditched it for YouTube music, which was a worse experience and lacked the features.