This will be like Netflix pushing against shared accounts, sure it will work and their revenue will go up, but I will stop being a paying customer and will only watch videos from my notebook with adblocks.
YouTube is now flagging accounts on Premium family plans that aren't in the same household
Submitted 8 months ago by ardi60@reddthat.com to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.androidpolice.com/youtubes-latest-crackdown-may-affect-your-family-plan/
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kameecoding@lemmy.world 8 months ago
madcaesar@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I cancelled Netflix when they did the sharing bullshit and I cancelled prime when they wanted MORE money to not give me ads. Fuck that.
However, you and I seem to be in the minority since these mega corps push one bullshit after another and people just bend over and go “please use lube this time…”
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Why pay for premium anyway? Let alone a family plan. You still get ads. They can be skipped too — SponsorBlock will do it for free. Google could use this but chooses not to.
They want YouTube to be like cable TV. You pay for it. You watch ads. You pay more for premium channels.
Simyon@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I pay for premium because currently it’s the easier option for getting no Ads on all my devices. Yes I could install a third party client on my TV, Phone & use uBlock on Desktop, but two of those require active upkeep.
- YouTube Music is included.
For sponsorships, YouTube Premium has the “Skip Ahead” feature which basically leeches off sponsorblock users where commonly skipped sections can be also skipped by you.
It’s just currently easier to pay than to pirate. I will say however, if it gets too shitty, I will resort back to pirating.
bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
YouTube is my only subscription.
I use it for Music and Video. I definitely get my money’s worth, they’re streaming to me at least 8 hours a day.
If it’s not background music, it’s videos. I can’t even fathom how many hours of ads I have avoided.
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
I’ve never seen a single youtube ad with uBlock Origin. SponsorBlock takes care of most of the sponsored segments that a premium youtube account won’t get rid of.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
same here, but even I’m looking to cancel both to avoid supporting a US company and because they’re making my experience worse by having a shitty user experience
krunklom@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
YouTube is fucking garbage.
I don’t care about the ads because it’s fucking garbage, and why would I watch garbage?
nucleative@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I pay for it, also no ads except the sponsor plugs, which are pretty easy to skip. Overall a better experience than the non premium. I don’t live in the USA so my cost is like $5/month.
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
The three people who replied before you said they don’t get the sponsor plugs.
When I had YTP (I had a trial, it was like 3 months for $1), I got the sponsored segments. So either those other people are lying, or they don’t understand what I’m saying.
stoly@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You don’t get ads. You pay less than double what two premiums cost and your household can share.
Fredselfish@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I have YouTube premium and have not gotten any ads.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I pay for it. No ads. Background playing on mobile, and YouTube music included.
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
So you’re using SponsorBlock as well, or you’re watching videos without sponsors.
AlfredoJohn@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I dont pay for it, use grayjay or firefox with ad block, I have no ads, background playing on mobile and I could care less about YouTube music.
Dozzi92@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’m in a family plan, so when this change hits, going to have to find alternative methods.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
Background playing on mobile
The fact that they put this behind a paywall is enough for me to never pay them a dime.
MourningDove@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
And this still won’t be enough to stop people from using it.
rozodru@piefed.social 8 months ago
it's because Youtube is a content monopoly. TikTok is a platform for short content...on youtube it's a feature with shorts. Twitch is a platform for live streaming content...on youtube it's a feature with, other than discoverability, the same features. Any music streaming service? again...it's a feature on youtube. The fact I could export my playlists from any music streaming platform and import it to Youtube and listen to it ad free via an ad blocker? come on. So as opposed to using multiple platforms, with youtube you have it all in one place. So no, this will not get people to stop using it.
Premium you don't need if you're even the slightest bit tech savvy. but no one is ever going to stop using youtube, there's no point. I mean I use peertube as much as possible but every now and then I'm back on youtube because of all those features in one place and some things I just can't find on peertube.
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
If you use a tv to watch, like my parents, this doesn’t work.
Tenkard@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Or to start using it. I’m not sure I know anybody actually using it
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
People buy a pile of rotting shit and then wonder why it stinks.
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Imagine paying for youtube lmao
Sunshine@piefed.ca 8 months ago
That amount of money should go to Peertube instead…
kokesh@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The whole internet has gone to shit
comrade19@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Not here though. This is the good stuff
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
Ill immediately cancel and goto pure piracy if they do this to me. I’m getting so tired of this shit 🥲
TuxEnthusiast@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
You can always download the video with yt-dlp and watch it offline.
aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
do it anyway. don’t give money to google.
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
Easier said than done. My parents are the main reason I haven’t, it’s just easier to pay monthly than it is to fix their mistakes when they fuck up the things I try to setup.
mysticpickle@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Anyone who actually pays for this shit has it coming.
ronigami@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Meanwhile I installed the User Agent Switcher extension for firefox to change my user agent every 30 seconds to something random to avoid tracking. A few websites don’t accept it. I just quit those websites and find a non-billionaire-owned alternative like Kagi or Fastmail. So far it’s working out well.
blurb@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
That likely makes you easier to track. User agents don’t really matter all that much if an advanced tracking script is used. When your IP address is the same, your browser engine is the same, your canvas data stays the same, your window size stays the same, your operating system stays the same, then they will just know that you also use an extension that makes your user agent not reflect your system and track you based on that too.
Use Mullvad Browser without changing anything important (change the default search engine at most) and preferably use a proper VPN to actually avoid tracking during regular internet usage. Or use LibreWolf to at least fool naive scripts.
I would suggest reading this too:
github.com/…/3.3-Overrides-[To-RFP-or-Not]ronigami@lemmy.world 8 months ago
How is that easier? That’s just only very slightly harder, not easier. Most sites will not have such sophisticated logic. And anyway, the purpose is to suss out which websites do this kind of tracking and avoid them entirely, not to thwart the tracking.
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
YT forces me to login if I am using a VPN these days, if I use Firefox or Safari. Brave avoids this. I will have to try Mullvad.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
How are they able to tell if you are in a different household ? If the user use different VPNs then it shouldn’t be able to tell the different between that and being in different locations. So are they gathering internal network data, are they spying on the LAN and wifi ?
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Your browser sends more data than you want it to. And if it’s a specific app you’re talking about, they can do whatever they want and spy you dry. There’s a reason every shitty shit wants you to install their app instead of just using their fucking webpage, which already sucks enough.
Squizzy@lemmy.world 8 months ago
NewPipe told me I was IP banned last week but it went away.
I’d rather stop using than give them money.
berty@feddit.org 8 months ago
This happens to me too when I watch to many videos of the same kind. Restarting my router solves it.
fodor@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
It’s always nice when the garbage takes itself out. And if you’re inconvenienced, I feel for you, but the writing has been on the wall for years. They will keep trying to suck more money out of you every way they can until you cancel your subscription, and because that’s going to happen in the end, why not cancel it today.
Hayduke@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I have to hand it to them, they are really good at finding new, innovative ways to make the platform worse.
etchinghillside@reddthat.com 8 months ago
Deactivated Premium recently. I used their music app when driving – expecting some ads now - nope, it just doesn’t allow running in the background anymore.
Seems like such a hostile thing - I’d like to think running ads would be a positive net income for them. (Now that I think of it - maybe they don’t have it built out into their music service.)
Broken@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Makes me long for the days of google music. It just worked. Streamed stuff and even allowed you to stream your own library that you had stored in drive. I would use that in the car. Then they ditched it for YouTube music, which was a worse experience and lacked the features.
sunbeam60@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
If you pay, the platform remains great. I get a discounted YouTube premium membership through my mobile phone company. I think YouTube is great, I never see ads, lots of features.
Just to offer an alternative view.
techt@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Weird number of downvotes here – I thought they were meant for low-effort or non contributive comments, not an “I disagree” button. This person is giving a unique perspective as a subscriber (in this thread, anyway) and should be met with curiosity, I think. It is helpful to know that there are people who enjoy paying for it, so thanks for giving your opinion here.
I disagree because they have a dominant position for reasons other than having a good product – they squash competition trying to make the space better while themselves actively making it worse. Subscribing means supporting that style of inhibiting innovation, not to mention the other user-hostile practices they embrace (extend, extinguish). They are an ad company and obligated to make a profit, I get that, but I refuse to abide this style of using investor money to operate at a loss for years while deceptively capturing the market before raising prices. If your product is good, it shouldn’t need to be artificially propped up.
Broken@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
I’m OK with your opinion and I appreciate hearing an alternate view to offset the echo chamber effect.
But for a lot of us, or at least me, its far deeper than just cost and ads.
It’s the fact that steps keep being taken to make the platform worse. They don’t want the platform usable unless you pay, and in this case they’re even taking a stab at the people who pay…you don’t pay enough in their mind.
If they had balls, they would just make it a closed platform. Pay to access, and restrict that per account IP. But they’d rather gaslight everybody and slowly turn up he heat so the frogs don’t jump out if the pot. This way they maximize their profits for longer. Point of all of that is, they don’t care about he platform or service at all.
For me, its not even about that. Their algorithm was so jacked up I was sick of being fed videos I didn’t want to see over and over, and videos I’ve already watched over and over. That’s why they added the subscription bell…because you would subscribe to things you wanted to watch and they never showed it to you. It wasn’t “you” tube it was “their” tube.
I bailed on them years ago. I still watch some content on there because there really isn’t a viable alternative. I use a scraper that gives me a feed of just what I want and without ads. I watch what I like and move on with my day. I’m back in control of my video viewing.
ieatpwns@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Do you pay them or did they pay you?
overload@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
Do you have a means of removing sponsors on the mobile app though? Revanced has sponsorblock and adblock in the app.
grue@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Wow, shilling for YouTube premium and anti-net-neutrality (the “discount through your phone company” part) in one comment.
aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
I pay nothing for YouTube and don’t get ads. YMMV
archonet@lemy.lol 8 months ago
“If you just give them your wallet right away, the mugging isn’t so bad, really. They didn’t even kick my teeth in!” 🤓
luftruessel@feddit.org 8 months ago
So nice of them. They help me cut the strings to the last google service I was not quite committed do ditch
SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 8 months ago
Run a personal VPN server at the home address and have external users route through it. I’d think it’d work for any subscription service doing this crap. I’m surprised nobody has started selling a turnkey self-hosted VPN device that even a non-techie can get running in a few steps - all the end users would need is an app that does split tunneling for the media players.
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
I live 10000km from my mom, it’s just not efficient
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Or just don’t pay for this shit that sooner or later will win the race anyway, no matter how much “resistance” you’d show.
vpklotar@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’m thinking of doing the same but the issue is setting up the policy based routing so that only YouTube goes through that VPN.
DaddleDew@lemmy.world 8 months ago
There are people actually paying for this crap?
DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
I honestly wouldn’t mind paying for it if it didn’t feel like such a fucking rip-off.
For example, for £19 a month I could sub to Netflix top tier. For that, I and three others could watch their stuff in UHD, all at the same time. And sure, Netflix content might be somewhat average these days, but it’s still reasonably high quality and costs a decent packet to produce.
By contrast, YT Premium for family is £20 a month, with which I can access a bunch of videos that, while enjoyable, do not cost Google anything to make. Yes, hosting costs money, and yes, they (theoretically) pay the video creators. But it doesn’t feel like £20 a month, y’know?
Part of the trouble is that they lump YT Music in to the same subscription. But I don’t want or need that. I have Apple Music with its lossless catalogue, and library that I’ve built up over many years. If YT offered a straight up ad-free plan that I could share with my family that cost a tenner a month, I’d probably go for it. It would mean being able to watch videos on Apple TV without having to fuck about downloading them to my Plex folder first, because they’ve injected SO MANY ADVERTS in now that the YT app is completely unusable.
Evotech@lemmy.world 8 months ago
YouTube pays about 50% of that to creators you watch according to what I’ve read
sunbeam60@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
It’s too expensive agreed. However YouTube has a lot of discounted memberships through other services. I wouldn’t pay full price for it, but through my mobile phone company I get more than 50% off and that’s a bloody great deal.
wackoCamel@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I have a hot take. I pretty much exclusively watch YouTube as my form of TV entertainment. On most days, I watch many hours between putting something on to go to sleep or actually watching stuff in the day such as training courses or whatever. Sure, I could easily set up my TVs and devices to work around it, but I think it’s actually worth it to just pay for Premium and not have the hassle. I feel I get more than my fair share out of it.
Tetsuo@jlai.lu 8 months ago
What I’m not ok with YouTube premium :
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The price is too high for a subscription. For that price I could get thousands of movies on a competing service like Netflix.
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Even if you tzkr YouTube premium they are still farming your data and selling it to third parties.
So even if I watch a ton of YT I refuse to pay to sell my data.
If I pay for YT they have to not track me and not sell my data (at least data coming from YT).
So yeah taking YT is hassle free but is quite the scam if you think avout it. Before paying you were the product. After paying you are still the product but on top of that you give them money.
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sunbeam60@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Same here. I’ve cancelled Netflix, never got Disney plus, never use prime (though I think I have access to something through prime shipping).
YouTube however; I watch this every single day, use it for learning, relaxation, documentaries etc.
It’s a fantastic platform and well worth the subscription AFAICS.
stsquad@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
I’m similar - and my kids even more so. As they only watch YouTube on the main TV it’s a pain to get alternate frontends on it I also like the fact there are no ads. I think the creators get a bigger cut per premium view Vs ad views, especially if they get blocked.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Linearity@infosec.pub 8 months ago
*available on all platforms and browsers (including iOS/iPadOS)
BurntWits@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
uBlock Origin is also available on iOS/iPadOS but only through the Orion browser. It would be nice if other browsers figured out how to allow Firefox extensions too but so far it looks to just be Orion.
UnculturedSwine@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
GTK. I think they flagged my account since I share it with my spouse and some of my basic features disappeared recently like mini-player in the browser. I might need to unsubscribe and just rely on Firefox with an ad blocker. Nebula and Patreon are good alternatives as well.
Archr@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I noticed that too. Thought it was just regular YouTube jank as usual.
kinkles@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Well fuck. It never crossed my mind that YouTube would do this since I don’t view it the same as other traditional streaming services. This will really suck for my friends who I’ve happily let mooch off my plan for years.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
You pay a scammer to scam you and wonder why you get scammed? Their course was clear the moment they ditched their slogan “don’t be evil”. And here we are, again.
sorghum@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
So is it YouTube family or YouTube household?
Either way, probably need to setup site to site VPN and route YouTube traffic through a central location, if you can block geolocation.
nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 8 months ago
Fuck GOOG for normalizing surveillance capitalism
Fuck YouTube in particular for making it basically impossible to usefully host an Invidious proxy any more and for their algorithmic manipulationPeerTube is the Way
greenbelt@lemy.lol 8 months ago
Or bit-torrent swarms for video sharing?
Mihies@programming.dev 8 months ago
A big problem with peertube is monetization. There should be some sort of mechanism that’d do that automatically. Otherwise there won’t be much content ever. Don’t get me wrong, I’m really happy that it exists but just don’t see it replacing even few % of YouTube as it is.
chunes@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Monetization itself is the problem.
Gaja0@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
I use a VPN so yeah that’s not going to work.
wrekone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
YT Premium recently updated their terms to include a provision requiring that the majority of you use be from your home country. YT saw how everyone sucked the Netflix teat when they killed sharing, and now they want a piece too.
floofloof@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
I suspect Google won’t care if they “accidentally” lock VPN users out of YouTube Premium.
Gaja0@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Considering 50% of gen Z use vpns, I think they might need to reconsider
Electricd@lemmybefree.net 8 months ago
Just like Netflix