Submitted 7 months ago by Lisk91@sh.itjust.works to [deleted]
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This is who Superman was. A literal (illegal) alien saving humans and, despite his full ability to completely take over the world, trying to be a good human.
Just reinforces my belief that if Jesus were to arrive today they’d throw him in a cage and then disappear him to a prison on foreign soil with no trial.
So basically exactly what the story said the romans did.
And yet we see ourselves as smarter than those who came before us.
This is not normal. It’s ok to have things like a right wing and a left wing, a conservative side and a liberal side, so to speak. But it’s not ok for the right wing to be any further right than, say, Bernie Sanders.
Just verification that they know their views are despicable at some level, even if they refuse to admit it to themselves.
A not insignificant factor in breaking the early kkk was Superman beating the living shit out of dudes in robes for awhile. They’re just mad it worked twice.
and/or they looj at lex and worship him for all the wrong reasons.
The funniest thing is that the superhero they have a problem with is Superman.
If it were Batman, that would be different. Batman isn’t a pure-hearted hero, he’s a more complex character. If it had been someone in the X-Men, or pretty much any Avenger other than Captain America, there would be room for a discussion.
But, Superman is such a good, kind-hearted hero that it’s basically impossible to be a good person and be anti-Superman.
But, Superman is such a good, kind-hearted hero that it’s basically impossible to be a good person and be anti-Superman.
Right, the main complaint is that he’s so perfect it’s boring.
And also that he has a pretty Western/USA centric sense of morality, which you think Western chauvinists like conservatives would eat right up.
Personally i like stories where he strugless more with how yo use his powers without becoming a despot.
Its so intresting tought experiment how much some one who is basically a god should intervine before it is too much.
At what point enforcing law becomes tyranny.
Well, except he’s a journalist and an immigrant and he fought against the kkk.
Batman is just a rich guy playing edgy superhero. In batman the villians are the stars.
Peak human and “the greatest detective” of all time. Also with prep, basically unbeatable. Rich guy comes in with the gadgets and cave.
Batman is a lunatic occasionally playing rich playboy to finance his crusade against crime, born from untreated trauma.
And most of his villains are just as insane as him.
Gotham is basically a vicious circle of maniacs driving each other further insane.
I feel like this might need some context.
Absolutely.
I know people can call superman boring, but to me what makes him even more amazing is that he has enough power to basically dominate everyone… But he doesn’t, he always chooses to do the right thing and tries to give people a second chance.
It’s part of the reason Zach Schneider’s Superman sucked balls, because they tried to make him some dark edge lord that literally kills in the first fucking movie.
Supes is the last hero that remains as some sort of beacon of hope and fairness, which naturally goes against the fascist mindset.
A red hatter cannot comprehend having power and not using it to subjugate or enforce your will. It simply does not compute in their lead infested brains.
they would like viltrumites from the invicible universe then, they are just a nazi version of superman, but without sun enhancements or weakness to kyrptonite.
I think it’s a challenge to make superman interesting because he’s both so powerful and so good. That’s why, when I read / watch DC stuff, I like it when he’s a side character, not the main character. I think Captain America is the Marvel universe’s equivalent of Superman in terms of personality / attitude. But, he doesn’t have anywhere near Superman’s power, which is why it’s easier to write interesting stories with him.
You’re completely right that that’s the mindblowing part of Superman – that he has all this power, but he doesn’t use it to reshape the world. Instead, he saves people from dying, whenever he can. And, he stops people from hurting other people.
I think a lot of the conservative mindset is that there are people who are supposed to be at the top, and people who are supposed to be at the bottom. If you’re at the top, it’s because you deserve to be there. If you deserve to be there, you have the right to impose your will on the people below you. Superman is undeniably at the top in terms of power, but he refuses to wield his power. That doesn’t make sense if your world view is that might is right.
Even in-universe they call him boy scout lol
The biggest super hero fan I know said that he doesn’t like Superman. Confused by this I asked him why, and he had a pretty good point.
His reason was that, Superman generally isn’t physically challenged. In most cases the only issue he faces is trying to figure out what is going on. After that, Superman wins every time. The only exception is with kryptonite. His literal only weakness.
So all plot lines boil down to a mystery, followed by some flashy scenes of Superman going Superman stuff, the end; with the only real exception being “bad guys have kryptonite”. It’s boring.
And you know what? He makes a good point.
None of this goes against anything you say, it’s just one person’s opinion (not even mine). The only reason I’m posting this is to say, it’s possible to dislike Superman content, but that doesn’t and shouldn’t imply someone is anti-Superman.
Food for thought.
It’s probably the main reason that there are games about pretty much every superhero going, but Superman always gets skipped. Superman 64 is the classic example, due to how dire it was. There’s been a few attempts since then, but nothing popular and the last was about 20 years ago.
The only real threat to Superman is to attack the things he cares about.
I kind of like the subversion of Superman type characters, like Dr Manhattan (what if Superman was indifferent?) or Homelander (what if Superman was a cunt?)
Death of Superman, Reign of Supermen, Superman Allstar. There are many film/scenarios, where superman has to fight someone actually stronger than he is. Even in Justice League Dark Apokolips, he is captured first, and then injected with Kryptonite.
Your friend needs to watch/read more DC content.
Some more examples with spoilers below.
He even got mind controlled by Poison Ivy once. Hell, in the new game, Suicide Squad Kill The Justice League, he is mind controlled by Brainiac, and Wonder Woman having Kryptonite didn’t protect her from Superman. Superman has also done questionable things, even without being mind controlled, like in Batman The Dark Knight Returns Part 2, it is implied that he ripped out one arm of Oliver Queen, aka, Green Arrow, who was also member of Justice League, because the government of USA wanted to stop vigilantes. Then he also almost killed Batman, after being almost killed by Batman.
Waaaaah! Suoerman isn’t enough if an edgy antihero for me!
Im so glad Im not American. It must be fucking exhausting keeping this dumb as fuck culture war going.
Not anymore, it runs off AI. All you have to do is feed the data centers catastrophic amounts of fresh water.
Conservative culture creates whiney little bitch-made motherfuckers that have no meaning in their lives beyond clinging to imaginary grievances. The state of the world would be marginally better if we all learned to stop giving them attention.
Because “woke”/liberal/left/PC mob/etc arent the exact same thing just coming from the other side? For every right wing grifter, theres a left wing grifter do the same thing. Winding everyone up.
its the billionaires(class war) + a little troll farm is keeping us distracted from the class war. with the help right wing talking heads and fox.
For fucks sake, mate. How can you be so right, and so fucking blind at the same time???
Feels like they’re arguing with themselves and begging for attention most of the time. It wouldn’t be a problem if corpo bitches didn’t listen to them.
If only they were arguing with themselves. The problem is everyone else who picks a side, and then jumps in arse first with a lot of opinions and very little information that isnt just headlines and buzzwords. People are so fucking angry all the time. And they blame the “other side” for it, not once considering that for every right wing grifter, theres a left wing grifter turning the screw just as hard in order to get likes, shares and subscribes.
Only the time of the online influencer became a thing, we were all fucked. Covid just accelerated to ludicrous speed, and now dark helmet is up all our asses.
Real talk: Hollywood didn’t go “woke” you just grew up to be a piece of shit.
No, but, see, superman wasn’t enough of an edgy anti-hero in this one so now I’m sad.
I liked the movie, but could have done without the messaging. I dislike political messaging in media even when I agree with the message, because I’m going to said media to escape reality. I don’t need a reminder about it, and I particularly don’t need some allegorical moral instruction, like I’m some sort of child.
I think there’s a place for political messaging in film—like when it’s the explicit purpose of said film—but I don’t like it being wedged in just anywhere.
I dislike political messaging in media even when I agree with the message, because I’m going to said media to escape reality.
What movies do you like that aren’t political? I’m curious.
The new Fantastic Four movie didn’t have any political messaging in it that I could discern.
conservatives like you are, what they are making fun of, because of ridiculous they take things.
I’m a liberal and a progressive, so that shows how poor a room-read you have. Come back when you have better grasp of things.
I thought the movie was awful, but the message was good. The plot was just bad. The characters were so unrealistic that it was distracting. Like, the people Luthor had in his command centre. These ordinary people were eager to kill, or at least badly injure Superman? That detail needed an explanation. It wouldn’t have needed one if they hadn’t focused so much on those characters, but for some reason they were made an important part of the story.
The only really great scene in the movie was when Lois Lane grilled Superman on his intervention in the war. It was good to see a good-hearted man who was confident he had done the right thing stumble when asked hard questions.
That was the explicit messaging of the movie. The scene with Superman not understanding why some people might have an issue with him saving lives, to him convincing the other Heroes to throw realpolitik to the side to do the same, to Lex completely not understanding altruism. It wasn’t just wedged in. It’s was the whole point of the movie.
No, it wasn’t the whole point of the movie, it was a thinly veneered plot that mimicked and commented upon real-world events. The central themes of the film were about identity being defined by one’s choices and actions, rather than one’s genetics or parents’ wishes. Films that explicitly critique society are films like Brazil or The Manchurian Candidate, and I have no problem with them because they’re explicit in their purpose at being political commentary. Making a superhero movie that’s purpose is rebooting the DCEU and inserting a political message into it is not explicit at all.
Gouge out your eyes then
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So, a character who is meant to embody protecting peace, justice, and freedom for all for as long as he has existed is now too political for advocating peace, justice, and freedom for all?
How dare they impose their politics on such a blank and centrist slate.
No, I just don’t like political messaging in my superhero flicks. You’re misunderstanding my point (possibly intentionally, idk, it’s really not that complicated).
Sad but not unexpected.
Have you seen The Boys? There’s an actual fan club of Homelander. The series creators are trying to cut it down because it’s the exact opposite of the message they try to bring. Vilans are people’s new heroes now. Like Trump and Musk for example.
The Boys is great because it explores how horrific a world like that would be, and how close that world is to ours.
Thankfully I’ve not seen people fawning over Home Lander. I see people say they exist, but I do wonder if that’s drive-by people mistaking fandom of the show for fandom of Homelander.
The guy is a forever child whose insecurity makes him a monster. You’re shown how all his “romantic” relationships are about him being mothered. He literally keeps breast milk in his fridge. He’s an infant given god like powers. There is nothing inspirational about him.
He’s a great villain though.
I love his character, the actor really does a great job. But he’s super evil. He’s a great representation to the real world, as many people think there’s no collateral damage too great to justify reaching their goal. Dehumanizing others, committing war crimes, hunger for power, forcing their beliefs onto others. I despise people like that.
But there are people who think otherwise: See this
Same with so the storm trooper Star Wars stuff that seemed to start around the first time Trump ran.
At the same time, I like that the antagonists of the boys are people with nuance.
The best shows and stories are ones where both sides believe they are doing what is best for everyone, but disagree on what’s best for everyone… Like Thanos. His idea was good in concept, his execution? Not great.
Man, bit of a tangent, but even as a fast thought experiment, Thanos’s idea was bad. Just his motivation was (debatably) good.
The problem is, the vast majority of species populations can easily double in a generation, given plentiful resources - and plentiful resources was what he was aiming for! Even if everything went exactly as he thought it would, he’s just kicked the can down the road for one generation.
homelander was based on trump, and they were obviously parodying Conservatives in the show.
The comics are from long before Trump. (2006-2012) Homelander is just what happens when you give a flawed person Superman powers. That’s the whole premise of the Boys. “What-if superhumans were real people with real flaws?”.
He’s the manifestation of “absolute power corrupts absolutely”.
Its the same way all of silicon valley read ‘snow crash’ and was like 'yeah! Metaverse! Apartheid south african enclaves in los angeles! Mind vontrol virus! Christofascism!
People are stupid
Fascists aren’t people in most of the ways that matter.
They do have viable organs tho, if we wanted to address the shortage in an easy and ethical way.
Fellas, is it gay to value your loved ones and oppose violence?
Hella gay. Let’s go do crimes about it.
While I prefer to not get my political messaging from media productions, I’ll take what I can get. When was expressing good moral values determined to be a bad thing again? I forget.
As far as media productions go, Clark’s been consistently on the correct side of the social spectrum. Except for a few years during WW2.
Explain how punching Nazis while being a character specifically designed to steal “Superman” rhetoric from them is being on the wrong side.
In the early years of the war dude has an issue where he drags Hitler and Stalin before the League of Nations to stand trial from invading Poland.
When basic politeness started getting folks called out as “soy boys”.
Same folks who couldn’t handle a Bishop preaching mercy, either.
Love the post but am I missing some English education? Whinge? Lol
Didn’t the same movie have Hawkgirl pulling a Pinochet on the bad guy though? Weren’t they happy enough with that?
The only problem I have with this is that it’s fiction.
If even Superman is being targeted, I don’t even want to know what Captain America is up to these days. Is he already the poster boy for ICE?
I’m asking because this isn’t fiction.
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 months ago
Why does the new superman look like such an idiot? The uniform also looks kinda weird and like he’s wearing a red diaper over an I’ll fitting suite.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 months ago
Bruh, Superman has always looked corny
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 months ago
Cavill’s one looked badass