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Transgender, nonbinary and disabled people more likely to view AI negatively, study shows

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Submitted ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨florencia@lemmy.blahaj.zone⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://theconversation.com/transgender-nonbinary-and-disabled-people-more-likely-to-view-ai-negatively-study-shows-260397

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  • Pogogunner@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Only corporate executives benefit from AI.

    Everyone else is harmed, both directly and indirectly, and it makes the customer experience far worse because workers are replaced by chatbots that are incapable of understanding.

    From what I’ve seen, the only people that have a positive view of AI are those who see themselves as the master of others. The trans, nonbinary, & disabled people in this study are very unlikely to fit that mold.

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    • Fredselfish@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Sorry cis male here I find AI negatively. This article is bullshit trying to separate us. We should all be appalled by AI.

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      • floofloof@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The survey concludes that transgender, non-binary and disabled people tend to view AI more negatively than others. Nothing about this statistical result implies that there aren’t plenty of people in other groups, like you, who view AI negatively. It makes a claim about statistical trends.

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      • PunnyName@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        “more likely”

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      • CosmoNova@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You’re probably overthinking this. To me it shows that this technology, which is often advertised as a tool to level the playing field and “democratize” industries is viewed as doing the exact opposite. Those who should benefit the most from it feel threatened and it looks like we’re moving closer to techno feudalism by the day as LLMs are squeezed into everything without thought. Fascists tend to love AI, use AI and advance AI. That makes the technology a natural enemy of many minorities.

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    • Honytawk@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Plenty of non-chatbots applications that do help the regular user though. Even if most of it is corporate bullshit, some of it isn’t.

      Like for example VLC using it for subtitles on any video you have, in any language you want and automatically synced correctly. That they hallucinate a couple of times doesn’t really matter in that context.

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  • MossyFeathers@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    God, the number of people here who don’t know what “more likely” means is insane. Just because you aren’t trans, enby or disabled doesn’t mean the study is bullshit because you hate AI. It means that if you walk up to a random person and ask them about AI, they’re more likely to hate it if they exist in one of those groups.

    Secondly, studies like this have value because they can clue people into issues that a community is having. If everyone is neutral about a thing, except for disabled people (who hate it), then maybe that means that the thing is having a disproportionately negative impact on disabled people. Studies like this are not unlike saying “hey, there’s smoke over there, there might be a fire.”

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    • paultimate14@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The thing is, EVERYONE hates AI except for a very small number of executives and the few tech people who are falling for the bullshit the same way so many fell for crypto.

      It’s like saying a survey indicates that trans people are more likely to hate American ISP’s. Everyone hates them and trans people are underrepresented in the population of ISP shareholders and executives. It doesn’t say anything about the trans community. It doesn’t provide any actionable or useful information.

      It’s stating something uninteresting but applying a coat of rainbow paint to try to get clicks and engagement.

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      • PunnyName@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        No, it’s interesting.

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  • svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Roughly 50% of transgender and/or non-binary people are software developers and roughly 50% are furry artists, so it makes sense we would be more wary of AI.

    I use arch, btw.

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    • Sasha@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Trans nonby software dev who dated a furry artist, my disdain for AI knows no limits.

      I use Nobara, btw. (Is Arch good I’ve never looked into it)

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      • Rodancoci@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It can be a tiny bit involved to install but if you know your way around Linux already it’s perfectly doable. The arch wiki is a great reference for MANY things and it has a dedicated page with installation instructions.

        I like that it’s lightweight because it comes with the bare minimum for a working Linux install and everything on top of that must be explicitly installed by you. I also love pacman (the package manager). It’s never borked anything for me and I’ve yet to be dropped into a dependency hell in 6+ years of using it.

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    • seralth@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
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      • Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Sysadmin is an adequate pastiche, you don’t need to specify the exact queer animal person they are.

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    • kazerniel@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Wait, if I’m not a software developer, then I must be a furry artist 🫣 The things I learn about myself on the internet… xd

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      • svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Well, some are both software developers and furry artists, which I guess frees you up to be some other, hidden, third thing. Which I’m going to guess is either bass guitar player or train driver?

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  • archchan@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    In the words of Miyazaki:

    Whoever creates this stuff has no idea what pain is whatsoever. I am utterly disgusted. If you really want to make creepy stuff, you can go ahead and do it. I would never wish to incorporate this technology into my work at all. I strongly feel that this is an insult to life itself.

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    • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s mathematically an insult to life itself. It changes evolution in human societies to reduce dissent and diversity of thought. And evolution is important in the sense that to stay on one place you have to run very fast.

      So it’s sort of a tool for regress. Honestly - similar to the Web itself. It was intended as a hypertext system for scientists. For social interaction there were e-mail and e-news.

      I’m thinking - I thought always that Sun is a very cool company, but at the same time they are also the ones who’ve popularized this messy understanding of the future in which, with some commercial adjustments by today’s big tech, we still live. And that understanding was highly centralist, sort of a digital empire.

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  • andros_rex@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Knowledge based fields were historically a “safe space” for queer and disabled people. If you are just super fucking smart and could be a wizard in a programming language, or were a genius physicist, you could get to the point where you were too valuable to fire for being trans or disabled. I may be trans and an unperson in the place I live, but I can do calculus, and there’s no way they can take that away from me.

    There’s an attack on knowledge itself going on right now. A desire by the rich to control information. They want to force us into an unreality where skill and knowledge are meaningless. This hurts people who are socially marginalized, because it takes away one of our few paths for economic survival.

    It goes with the attacks on DEI. What they want is a tool that can replace the need for talent, so that they can select who gets to have jobs. They want all jobs to be Graeber’s “bullshit jobs” so that skill is meaningless and they can allot them out to the people they think “deserve” them.

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  • JigglySackles@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Man between this and the “AI vegan” bullshit article, they really want to get ahead on crushing any thought that AI is bad. At least by easily manipulated groups.

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    • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Like the kind of person that thinks vegans and trans = easily manipulated, because they’ll never consider the point might be manipulating their own biases against those groups.

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      • prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I think it’s also in an effort to other those who are against AI as it’s being done rn

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      • JigglySackles@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yes exactly. They are manipulating the “unwashed masses” that think anything different from them is bad. Bro Jogan die hards etc.

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  • Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    outliers badly served by advanced averaging machine

    Who knew

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  • kibiz0r@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    These findings are consistent with a growing body of research showing how AI systems often misclassify, perpetuate discrimination toward or otherwise harmtrans and disabled people. In particular, identities that defy categorization clash with AI systems that are inherently designed to reduce complexity into rigid categories. In doing so, AI systems simplify identities and can replicate and reinforce bias and discrimination – and people notice.

    Makes sense.

    These systems exist to sand off the rough edges of real life artifacts and interactions, and these are people who’ve spent their whole lives being treated like an imperfection that just needs to be smoothed out.

    Why would you not be wary?

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  • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Opposed people, or today who know what it’s like to be oppressed, are more likely to recognize oppression.

    AI is going to fuck us all at this rate. It’s already begun. People are losing their jobs.

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    • mycelium_underground@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Losing jobs is just the tip of the iceberg, individualized, friendly mass manipulation is where the shit hits the fan in a whole new way

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  • tanisnikana@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Trans lady here, appalled by AI! A lot of the middle management I work with are eager for it, and since I work in M365 administration, my boss keeps compelling me to flip the CoPilot switch to “on” for people.

    I hate it.

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  • thedruid@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What kinda bullshit narrative is this?

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    • SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      One that divides people in lower tax brackets

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  • NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Human being checking in here, I am appalled by the current usage of AI.

    This study is bullshit.

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    • floofloof@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Why is a statistical survey bullshit because of your personal view on the matter? Where does the survey conclude that no one is appalled by AI? Where does it imply that transgender, nonbinary and disabled people are the only ones who dislike AI?

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      • NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Because it singles people out for no reason. There is absolutely no reason to do a study like this that focuses on marginalized groups. Does this study make these marginalized groups lives better somehow by putting this information out there? Not a chance.

        Research for the sake of doing research is assinine, and its rampant in academia. We have a publish or perish attitude in academia that is so pervasive its sickening…ask me how I know that (my partner is a professor)

        And we basically all but force people to write papers and try to come up with novelty to justify their existence as a professor.

        AI is a scourge on this earth in how we use it today. We didnt need a study to tell us that, much less to single out a few groups of people, who frankly dont need to be singled out anymore than they already have been by the Trump administration.

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      • Kn1ghtDigital@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The whole thing is done is bad faith to make a correlation that isn’t there. I just conducted a study that says people are always cats. My study doesn’t show any actual correlation but I think I once heard that a cat man exists so there is potential for study.

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      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It does feel a bit like the magazine is gunning for the “Don’t like AI? What are you, queer?” angle.

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      • Keyboard@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I’m a cis white autistic girl I should say a 7 Thanks for the sharing very interesting

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    • PunnyName@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      “more likely”

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  • ikidd@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s because they’re all on lemmy

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  • Sertou@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s fair, because AI is biased against them.

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    • DrDickHandler@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Possibly… However, AI will be use to discriminate them as America ramps up their concentration camps for the undesirables.

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  • Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Smart bunch it would seem.

    Fuck AI

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  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    AI is the new crypto by the ceos and c-suites, sorry but theres no market for it for a regular customer base, and they admitted its costing them alot more money using AI than actually saving or even profitting from it.

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    • Honytawk@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It has a market for a regular customer base. But they try to shove it down everything just to see what sticks, and most of those things are useless as best or actively making the product worse.

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    • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      who fall for AI /crypto are mostly conservatives

      Let’s separate these two things.

      The latter does work well enough to be used by a kind of people. That it’s not the new revolution is fine. I’ve recently looked through NOSTR NIPs and they make a huge thing out of functionality for sending “zaps”, and you know why? Because payments mean possibility to send universal value for some subjective value. It’s a difference in efficiency between barter and money almost.

      I can’t be proud of it, because, despite sharing libertarian ideas, I was highly skeptical of such systems. One can say I was gaslighted into considering it all having become a scam.

      So - NOSTR looks like something that will work. Its standards involve a lot of different functionality, so clients usually decide to implement only part of it - some like Reddit\Lemmy communities, some like Telegram group chats, and so on (it kinda seems to even out with time, Amethyst has recently got group chats, for example). And thus it often seems devoid of life for new people. But it’s already big enough for the search results to not seem particularly right-wing skewed.

      So - I’ve noticed that people very often send these “zaps”. It’s normal to tip stuff in NOSTR. Already.

      It’s a long-term advantage, but that system in its architecture is far better than Fediverse, that’s what I mean.

      And honestly it’s not unheard of for left-wing technical projects to use good tooling and competent people and appear impressive, but long-term lose to right-wing technical projects which use some tooling and some people and don’t appear too cool, but are more applicable socially.

      I really feel like trying to write a NOSTR client, LOL.

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  • roofuskit@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Oppressed people don’t like the walled garden information tools made and profited from by the people using them as a scapegoat distraction for their fleecing of society?

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  • poke@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I wonder if the correlation is that these groups tend to be more informed.

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    • stevedice@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      No, it’s that AI has a white male bias.

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      • NickwithaC@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Which the minority groups are more informed about…

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  • Lumidaub@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    ITT: “this study doesn’t say anything interesting about ME, it must be bullshit!!”

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  • morto@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That's interesting. I feel like a lone voice in my university, trying to explain to people that using LLMs to do research tasks isn't a good idea for several reasons, but I'd never imagine that being disabled would put me into a group more likely to think like that. If I had to guess, I'd suggest that there's possibly a strong network effect being abused in our social environment to make people get into the AI hype, and we, the ones who live less connected to the "standard" social norms, tend to become less vulnerable to it.

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    • floofloof@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It may also be that disabled, transgender and nonbinary people are more aware of:

      1. The use of AI to reduce people’s employment opportunities, which are already tough enough for people in these groups.
      2. The tendency of AI to reproduce the prejudices present in its training materials. If everyone’s relying on AI then these prejudices are going to be perpetuated just because LLMs are regurgitation machines.
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      • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        As an autistic bastard I just think it’s shit, though I will say that I do partake in the guilty pleasure of Two Scuffed and DougDoug. But I wouldn’t feel particularly bad if every bit of generative AI spontaneously corrupted and could never be replicated, generally feels like a money sink for dipshit corporations at this point.

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  • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Sounds like confirmarion bias.
    I’d like to know the industry sector they are working in.
    I’d say a high amount of them work in Tech and IT.

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  • db2@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m none of those things and so-called AI is utter shit.

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  • Electricd@lemmybefree.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Ragebait

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  • SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Disabled, vehemently anti-AI enby here. The only thing I’m good at professionally is being a great big brain, so taking knowledge work away from me makes me angry.

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  • Psythik@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Well that explains a lot about Lemmy.

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  • ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Why the FUCK do we need to start splintering this with identity politics? Seriously name one good reason why this isn’t a distraction from the class war. Just one.

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  • LordWiggle@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Same way the other way around. Remember when grok went full mechahitler?

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  • Curious_Canid@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Actual computer scientists should also be included with those groups.

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    • itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      LGBTC

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  • NoodlePoint@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Because some are artisans and see that their work is being pillaged for AI “training”.

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  • cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    it's because we actually listened to the plot of the matrix

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