ah from shady porn sites, like spotify and wikipedia. definitely protect kids from porn there.
Spotify fans threaten to return to piracy as music streamer introduces new face-scanning age checks in the UK
Submitted 2 weeks ago by QuantumSpecter@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Is wikipedia on the list? I see reddit is, lol. We might see an influx soon.
Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
not yet, but the wikimedia foundation has been fighting against it expecting that it would be a class 1 site and require it.
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So I feel like I’m now hearing more successful pushes for censorship through this stuff.
Just last week I learned how Texas has a bill that makes it so if anyone ever invested in green technology that they wouldn’t be allowed
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I saw a post saying /r/period required an age check.
They’re gonna censor as much as they can with this.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
That makes no sense, surely everyone has invested in green energy through workplace retirement plans, no?
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Let this be a reminder to never turn away from piracy. It needs to constantly be in the background and if any company gets like they always do, then it comes back out. But if we let the knowledge fade away then it’s impossible to rebuild it.
Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Piracy preserves media.
Piracy preserves art.
Piracy makes sure, that future generations still have access to the creation of humanity.
Data hoarding is a service to the public.
FinalRemix@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“Keep circulating the tapes!”
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
I initially perceived piracy similarly to how or perceive reading about archaeology and such, so the fact that someone is sincere in hating p2p copying and calling it immoral just felt preposterous.
Yet now it seems plenty of normies will agree. Then go listen to something they didn’t pay for on YouTube or Facebook or whatever, because “everybody uses that”. What “everybody uses” is fine, see. What they condemn me the pirate for is using ed2k, torrents and such other technologies. Even when I’m literally downloading public domain stuff or abandonware.
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It doesn’t take much for media though to parade out the “lil guy and change the opinion of people about how your basically attacking small time creators”
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Or you know you could punish parents for not parenting. Like if kids are watching porn and caught and if it’s actually against some law then go after the parents.
It’s not hard to teach parents how to implement a filtering DNS. But no, countries think they need to be the nanny.
floofloof@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
“Protecting children” is just the pretext under which governments can sell increased surveillance. The fact that there are more effective ways they could act to protect children, yet governments continue to push for ID checks and monitoring online activity, shows that the aim isn’t what they say it is.
dactylotheca@suppo.fi 2 weeks ago
Don’t forget trying to kill e2e encryption like what the EU wants to do, both to “catch criminals” and “protect the children”
BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Protect from what? I mean seriously. Most of us (guys at least) probably saw porn way before we were old enough and most of us probably didn’t end up as rapists or pedophiles. It’s not a good thing by any means, but it really feels like we’re trying harder to keep sexual material from entering their brains than we are trying to keep them fed, clothed, educated, housed, healthy, loved, and physically safe. Of all the things I mentioned the last seven have a monumentally greater affect on their success and well-being as an adult.
halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s just the pretext they give to justify it. The real reason is surveillance. Now they have a way to confidently tie your accounts to your individual identity. And most of these solutions use third parties which will then sell that data as well, so now anyone can tie your account to you without you ever knowing.
Even if the government is barred from surveilling citizens in these ways, third parties aren’t, and the government can just buy that information, no warrant needed anymore.
And these laws never stop at porn, it’s drugs, LGBTQ information, etc. and they can always easily add additional things later with little fanfare.
Epzillon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is it. Theyve been going after encrypted messaging apps for a long time, ig they realized theyre not getting anywhere and figured to just hit it head on.
The internet has always circumvented this kind of shit, just look at TPB. The ones who are getting really beaten up by this is the older generations and the ones lacking technical know-how.
FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
It’s not about kids and never has been, it’s about surveillance of the internet and the death of anonymity.
AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Going against the parents is impopular and would make the parents vote against you in the next elections.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
As a parent, that’s my take as well. If my kids break a law, I should be the one to fix it. Don’t do my parenting for me…
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I feel like I’m standing between two really stupid positions here.
On the one hand, just let parents teach their kids is basically a state’s rights argument. A lot of parents won’t teach their kids, so… do we care? Does this matter? We should probably mount a stronger effort then.
On the other hand, we don’t need the government to get involved to stop 9 year olds from seeing titties—we just don’t! Websites the world over have implemented 2-factor-authentication more or less by themselves (
and probably because they want to spy on you). And, no one says the word r----- anymore because if you ever do, a bunch of anti-bullying PSAs will be really annoying about it in your replies.Not every social problem needs to be solved by swinging around Thor’s hammer. We do have other means.
Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
They could just offer a child protection browser where parents could set to child mode and require adult material offering sites to check if user has something like “attention not 18 year old user” in the headers.
Would be way cheaper, I think.
ckmnstr@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Don’t threaten, just do it. Enshittification must end.
The only reason we have mainstream paid video streaming now is because early Netflix was genuinely better than dodgy, pop-up riddled mirrors on movie4k.to. The convenience was well worth 8 bucks a month. Same for Spotify.
Fast forward 10 years and Spotify wants me to pay 15 €, scan my face and listen to forced podcast ads AND pay extra for paywalled audiobooks that used to be free? Meet my good old friend youtube-downloader, then.
jsomae@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
The news can’t easily report on users actually returning to piracy; who would admit to it? And how would you get data on it? Much easier to truthfully report on users who talk about returning to piracy.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 2 weeks ago
I don’t mind giving my date of birth to all the services I already pay for with credit card but face scanning? That’s just creepy. Fuck off.
npdean@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Date of birth (with some other details) is kind of a sensitive information in the right hands
iAvicenna@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
given that governments are now starting to make certain protests illegal, definitely not as bad as having your face in a database.
Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
You’re right and I’d go a bit further: It’s none of their business what your age even is, they need to know only one bit for their legal duties, over or under age of majority.
Basically what is really needed is a certificate of majority digitally signed by the government bound to some identifier, email address or full name. All this uploading faces or ID card scans is ridiculous.
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
Even using a credit card for something like Spotify is already giving out more information than is needed.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 2 weeks ago
How do you suggest people pay for Spotify?
docoptix@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It is 1970-01-01 like me, no?
spookedintownsville@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
April 20th, 1969? Anyone?
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
it’s 2000-01-01 for me
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Eh, I don’t like it, but its kinda the norm if you wanna ever leave your country. My dad who’s a PRC Citizen doesn’t even have to go to the embassy/consulate anymore for passport renewal, its now done via an app, which of course they’d have to scan your face. I expect other countries to also adopt the same practice, just as they did with mass surveillance. And then it will eventually move from the government services to the private sector.
I mean, I hate to think about it, but we might have mandatory brain chips in the future… 👀
bless@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
There’s a wide gap between “travelling to another country” and “listening to music.”
I’m not trying to go on holiday to Spotify
iAvicenna@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
fair point but given the direction US and UK are headed, something legal you do online can be illegal in a couple years with a face attached to that activity. What you mention is also bad (your face being in a face recognition database) but not as bad as that being attached to tons of behavioural data collected about you.
Tomato666@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
You’ve got to be 18 to be able to have a credit card.
At that point someone else has verified your details for them, a bank (who are generally considered to be accurate about most things)
fading_person@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Don’t threaten, just do it!
I don’t get why people are so stubborn to move away from corporate products.
archchan@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Personally, the open source community’s aversion to (privately and openly implemented) algorithms is what’s holding me back. Say what you will about them, but I’ve found many great songs thanks to Spotify’s algo.
Glitterbomb@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Soulseeks recommendation algorithm is top notch, almost organic. You click the ‘browse users files’ button.
blind3rdeye@aussie.zone 2 weeks ago
It’s not so much an aversion to algorithms as it is a version to corporate controlled algorithms (which are often targeting highly questionable metrics).
hanrahan@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
I’ve found many juat streaming themed internet radio on Radiodroid.
odelik@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
If you’re just looking for an engine that recommends you music based off your likes, the FOSS community could utilize the Music Genomoe Project to build a tool too do that based one a folder or Playlist of music provided to it. I would be surprised if there already wasn’t a FOSS tool to do that.
brown567@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I was dragging my feet because I really liked the algorithmic features. As much as I hate “AI” being jammed into everything these days, I really liked their DJ feature, and the “crate a playlist from a prompt” was a lot of fun to play with!
My favorite generated playlist was “Determined music for poopwalking home from Taco Bell”
That being said, they’ve been corrupting their music exploration tools with corporate interest for a while, so it’s been becoming less desirable as a result
zqps@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I hate Spotify and would like to stop paying them even 1/5th of a family subscription. But I have researched alternatives and haven’t found one that meet my need to manage offline files, playlists, and the current playback session across many (and I mean many) devices.
yonderbarn@lazysoci.al 2 weeks ago
I don’t use any proprietary apps. Only FOSS apps on my phone.
fading_person@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Hope you’re enjoying the freedom, fellow FOSSer :)
burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
people like having their stuff.
fading_person@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Well… with streaming services people don’t actually have anything, because nothing in there are theirs to own ;)
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
When you lease access to information, you literally don’t gave any stuff.
kibiz0r@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
Spotify fans
“Fans”?
answersplease77@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
that’s like saying Amazon fans really lol
WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Well… …gestures to apple fans…
aceshigh@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Apple fans. Spotify fans. Same shit.
Allemaniac@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
what are “spotify fans”? Spotify paid 150k $ for Trump’s inauguration party, f them. They do not deserve my money
SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I left Spotify for many reasons including this. They’ve only proven that they do not care about artists at all. I remember before I left, many of the tracks that came up “based on my playlist” were just random AI generated crap.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Back to Piracy! ✊🏴☠️
Really though? It isn’t necessary. Use Bandcamp, you probably have half your artists covered. The rest - one of those Spotify alternatives: Tidal? Qobuz?
0konomiyaki@aussie.zone 2 weeks ago
Navidrome maybe? But I use jellyfin + symfonium myself. All my music is either bandcamp or used CDs. Started collecting music late last year and my entire collection is legally sourced now. No piracy required. Hardest part was starting very small and building the collection over time.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
used CDs
I get them dirt cheap or completely for free. It’s actually reverse piracy since no doubt the previous owners ripped everything.
RedStrider@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
what’s even the point of age gating “explicit” music?
“oh no! “Speak To Me” by Pink Floyd has the fuck word in it! can’t let my kids hear it!”
ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
If I am paying for my account personally, with a card in my name, what more do they need?
58008@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
A VPN is a must if you wanna go down this route
Soulseek (and I recommend the Nicotine+ client over the official one) is a fantastic source for all music in all formats, and particularly obscure off-label shit you won’t get anywhere else. You’ll even have some success finding audiobooks there, although this is very hit-and-miss. I wish audiobook pirates would use it more heavily. It’s P2P, like Napster used to be. You’ll have to share something or you’ll get auto-ignored by most users.
RuTracker is a great non-private/non-ratio-monitoring torrent site for music (does require a free account though). I’ve never had a single torrent from there that wasn’t seemingly seeded by a Godzilla’s dick. Obviously it’s in Russian, but there’s really no difficulty navigating around. The only thing you might struggle with is signing up for an account, but just have your favourite translation tool open in another tab 👍
If you don’t mind slow download speeds (from the likes of RapidGator), I enjoy Exystence. It’s a blog that shares link to the latest albums and offers both lossy and lossless versions. Nice RSS subscription to have.
If you do find yourself using RapidGator a lot, don’t waste money buying a sub directly from them, it’s insanely pricey. Instead, get a reseller like Real Debrid, which costs like 10% as much and also covers you for about two-dozen other file hosters. I highly recommend putting as much distance between your credit card and the company as possible, just for safety reasons. Using PaySafeCard is fine, as Real Debrid will never see your details in that case. I don’t have any specific reason to be weary of them, I just don’t trust random/small/hitherto unheard of companies as a rule.
clot27@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
tf is spotify “fans”? more like spotify “users”
SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
I mean, fuck Spotify and all that, but this one is really the UK government’s doing.
And soon, this shit will come to every country. They’re all drafting laws to mandate real age verification for adult content. The UK is just the first to implement it.
Akasazh@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
I jerked it to the Hanson mmbop video back in the nineties.
Found out later the girl was a boy.
You can judge all you want, but the general thing is that horny teenagers will jerk it to almost anything.
YellowDog@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Considering how much Spotify pays artists per listens, piracy is barely any different in that regard.
TwinTitans@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Never stopped. Get your own mp3s kids.
Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I mean, the Spotify CEO invests in AI weaponry being used to murder kids in Gaza so the morally correct thing to do would be to leave Spotify over that.
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
DO WHAT YOU WANT CAUSE A PIRATE IS FREE! YOU ARE A PIRATE!
ashenone@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Even if your not in the UK you should go back to piracy. Steal from corporations as frequently as possible
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The streaming services are run by shithead C-suites who think last quarter is the way it’s always been. They forget the only reason most of us use their services is someone more visionary than them made it more convenient than piracy half a generation ago. Let’s remind them there’s an alternative.
Newsteinleo@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
Its as if law makers don’t learn from history. Do they not know what happened in the 90s and early 2000s when stores wouldn’t sell M rated video games or CDs with mature content labels? We found ways to get around that. We would go to stores that didn’t check or care, got our older sibling or friend to buy it for us. We burned copies of our friends CDs, or downloaded stuff off line with Limewire and Napster.
Same shit when there was prohibition in the US. People drove cars across the great lakes to bring alcohol into the US. People brewed there own spirits in bathtubs with radiator coils.
If people want to anomalously watch their favorite weird kinky shit or listing to music they like, they’re going to find a way. And, if the easiest way to do that is through piracy, that is what they are going to do.
haloduder@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
This age-verification bullshit is a fine example of how governments represent their rulers, not their citizens.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Seriously, fuck Spotify and another using that error-prone, intrusive, insecure bullshit.
Mondez@lemdro.id 2 weeks ago
It’s a load of bullshit, for a start the ISP has my details and should be able to attest my connection is rented by someone of legal age and it should be up to me what I let my children (assuming I have any) see and not see on that connection. I already had to click the “yes just give me the porn damn it” agreement on my mobile phone which was less likely to be randomly shared unmonitored and now this overbearing crap. I’ll just avoid sites and services that require this.
caudatecoder@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
as an independent artist I just wanna add: the best thing you can do to support artists and bands is to buy directly / on bandcamp. spotify pays shit to artists, you need millions of listeners to get any meaningful amount of cash
of course that isn’t a sustainable option if you listen to a lot of different music. so piracy is an option that I wouldn’t mind. hell, if you like my stuff and just write to me I’ll send you mp3s for free
Suavevillain@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You’re way better off with your own music collection. That is what I have.
bluecat_OwO@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
ngl, Spotify has become hot ass these days
guyoverthere123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Just do it.
Flac > Spotify.
AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Age verification is a great success I see. I feel so much sa#er now with this shit in place so kids can’t watch porn…
LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
…on major/regulated sites only.
PushButton@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The worst was watching porn on spotify…
ripcord@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It has absolutely nothing to do with kids watching porn.
Of course.
WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
God forbid people there teach their kids sex/getting off is a drug and can be abused.
9point6@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Who taught you sex is a drug? As long as words mean their definitions, it’s categorically not. Plus it’s probably kinda harmful to pile on the stigma already surrounding sex by conflating it with drugs and all the stigma that comes with that.
Hopefully I’m wrong, but it’s kinda giving a nofap pseudoscience red flag to me.
Parents definitely should be teaching their kids about this stuff at the appropriate time, but they should stick to the facts.
HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
*so that the government can say kids won’t watch porn.
Rule 1 of computers that everyone who has taught an ICT class learns - if little Timmy wants titties, he finds a way.
PotatoLibre@feddit.it 2 weeks ago
In Sweden pretty much anybody has Bank Id, an app which is connected to a bank account and which can function as a valid identification.
App belongs a private company, but it’s still trustworthy and everybody can sign government docs with that.
This is how you should do age verification, through a third party app, not like any site will get your id/picture to just end in their DBs ready to be stolen.
Every government should create an app for the online id, I don’t get why this seems so hard.
FalseTautology@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
It’s super trustworthy bro I swear
neblem@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Credit cards should roughly do the same, but both of those aren’t “great” for privacy and really exists to make profiles of adults while pretending to negate the need for parents to parent (the only real way to reduce/prevent harms of kids witnessing age inappropriate media). Your ability to do financial transactions shouldn’t be tied to your speech or content you view.
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The thing is, UK has had age restrictions for years on its mobile platforms. So if you want to look at porn on your phone, you have to unlock it on your subscription. And to do this, they use youre credit card. The thing that they already have. Its easy and swift. And more to the point, only one company has your data. As it stands now, you are supposed to give your personal details to every single company in the world.
Over the past 20 years, how many massive hacks have we seen that leak email addresses and passwords? Are how about all those woman that get their iclouds hacked and their nude photos uploaded? I can think of at least 10 instances in the past 10 years. And now its going to be all of our driving licences, passports, other photo IDs? And the law also requires that they scan ALL private messages. Thats end to end encryption fucked. And god forbid your girlfriend calls you “Daddy” in a sext, you get the cops knocking on your door treating you like Jimmy Saville.
The shit is insane, and people arent anywhere near outraged enough. Its coming to Europe next, if reports are to be believed. So you lot should ALL start kicking up fuck about it now.