Submitted 1 week ago by Cat@ponder.cat to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.commondreams.org/news/google-earth-gulf-of-mexico
It’s a US company following US policy as it’s a contract holder for the US Government they’re compelled to follow US policy. Whether anyone likes it or not, at least for right now, US policy is that the Gulf of Mexico for all intents and purposes is the Gulf of America.
President Sheinbaum can sue Google all she wants, but there’s no court that’s going to find that a US company complying with US policy is breaking the law.
You could be wrong. While possibly justified on Google’s part, Mexico will most likely sue its Mexican affiliate, and if Google wishes to operate in Mexico, it will have to comply with orders from Mexican courts. See twitter and Brazil for similar case.
That’s fully within the right of Mexico as a country, but that has nothing to do with anything that I’ve said here.
Going forward, the official US policy (because of this executive order) is that it’s the Gulf of America. No amount of suing Google will change that.
Actually the executive order only renames the parts that the US controls, and they don’t control the entire gulf
It doesn’t “rename” anything. It means the official US position is that the Gulf of Mexico doesn’t exist and instead it’s the Gulf of America. It’s not forcing anyone to call it that other than for official purposes, like in Governmental memos and official US documents, least of all foreign Governments or their people.
The US doesn’t own the Gulf. We can’t unilaterally change the name. But when the US Government officially refers to the Gulf, it will now be called the Gulf of America. That’s what the executive order did.
So you are gonna have to provide a source explaining how the president using an executive order to rename international water is “policy” that Google must follow.
They you’ll have to explain why I, as a Canadian, have to see this stupid renaming in parentheses.
If the US truely doesn’t have a system beyond “once the president orders it, it’s renamed.” That’s their problem but I don’t give a fuck what they call things and I don’t know why google thinks I should.
So you are gonna have to provide a source explaining how the president using an executive order to rename international water is “policy” that Google must follow.
Exactly
So you are gonna have to provide a source explaining how the president using an executive order to rename international water is “policy” that Google must follow.
It’s the executive branch. It would be the same as if Congress did the same, and passed a law saying “The Gulf of Mexico is now the Gulf of America.” There’s no source required, it’s literally how the US Government works, but if you want one; American University Law Review (2009) - The Limits of Executive Power:
The President has broad discretion in choosing how to exercise these implied powers. Second, these implied powers are not plenary in nature. They are subject to three basic limitations: (1) the President may not, without congressional authorization, use these powers to change domestic law or create or alter existing legal obligations; (2) these powers are subject to regulation by Congress; and (3) in the event of a conflict between the exercise of these powers and congressional legislation, the latter prevails.
There’s no federal law establishing the name of the Gulf of Mexico, so there’s no conflict with the first limitation. No one in Congress is willing to stop him, so no conflict with the second. And there’s no conflict with existing congressional legislation, so there’s no conflict with the third. So therefore the executive order is within the power of the executive branch.
Because Google is a US company and operates within the US, it has to follow US policy. The President just changed US policy to change the name of the Gulf of Mexico… So they either have to comply or be sued by the executive for not following US policy–which they’ll lose.
They you’ll have to explain why I, as a Canadian, have to see this stupid renaming in parentheses.
Because again, Google is a US company. So if you want to see Gulf of Mexico again, use any map provider that isn’t from a US company.
If the US truely doesn’t have a system beyond “once the president orders it, it’s renamed.”
That’s an extreme oversimplification of what’s going on here. But it kinda outlines how important it is to elect good people, huh?
It’s a US company following US policy as it’s a contract holder for the US Government they’re compelled to follow US policy. Whether anyone likes it or not, at least for right now, US policy is that the Gulf of Mexico for all intents and purposes is the Gulf of America.
We have a bunch of amendments…go look at the first.
I think you KNOW it’s because Pichai was there and is part of that club now.
The executive order doesn’t conflict with anyone’s freedom of speech… The President didn’t release an executive order saying “no one is allowed to call it the Gulf of Mexico anymore!”
I’m not going to type it all out again, but here you go: lemm.ee/post/55471251/18276179
Golf of Portugal Image While we are at renaming things…
But it kinda makes sense to be called Gulf of America since it’s located in North America.
It also kind of makes sense to leave the name in place since the world has been calling it the “Gulf of Mexico” mid-1500s. The original name was in reference to the Aztecs.
It’s also the country that has the majority of the coastline
FUCK YEAH, DO IT DO IT FUCKING DO IT! Please sue the fuck outta those shitfucks!
Senkaku Islands are the center of a dispute between Japan and China, both claim them, both have names for them. Wikipedia goes more in depth.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senkaku_Islands
On google maps we get…
So it’s not like they can’t give stuff multiple names.
That’s what YOU get since you’re neither in China nor Japan. They only get to see their relative government’s name. China in fact gets to see nothing since they block Google, but it you happen to be in Hong Kong or Macau, you would.
President of mexico is just showing themselves to be as big of a baby as trump. Best thing to do is ignore it. Its of such little importance.
Right? Honestly there are plenty of geographical features that are named differently between different languages and countries. It really doesn’t affect anybody except people in the US.
you both are stupid. “let the bully do it”.
how about Fuck the USA? much sexier.
I just do not understand what the big deal is about the name of this fucking thing. I understand trump trying to change it out of nowhere is dumb as fuck, but who cares? why go through the stress? Like just rename it something without a countries name in it. Like the Gulf of Jeff or something. Nobodies butthurt about this shit that don’t matter then.
The leading theory over this seems to be they’re trying to invalidate a bunch of international/national agreements about the gulf of Mexico because now “that doesn’t exist”, or is not about this gulf that has a different name so definitely not the one from agreement. And of course there’s also things about doing everything at once and getting people distracted by these while sneaking in harmful policies.
It’s the very first piece of getting their violent base behind imperialism
I assumed it was the second one, but the first one there also sounds plausible.
Come on, guys. You have drug cartels. Surely you have a guy named Luigi. Doesn’t Trump want to declare war on Mexico or some insane shit like that?
You have drug cartels.
Everyone has drug cartels. The US doesn’t even make thr top 20 tho.
if im not mistaken, i think i heard google pulls the data from some external database, which changed the name. google didnt change shit, rather the database they use did.
i could be wrong, but i could have sworn i read that somewhere.
also seems rather petty to me to sue an american company for following US policy changes.
to be clear, i think the gulf of america thing is stupid as hell, and petty on trump’s part.
US policy doesn’t get to dictate how websites operate in non US jurisdiction. The US acting like it gets to bully the rest world into doing whatever it wants is the whole issue at hand. That’s the point: the trump admin wants to use US influence to intimidate, bully, and antagonize other countries by disrespecting their sovereignty.
yes, i agree. but look at the link i posted. they still show it as gulf of mexico if you’re in mexico accessing maps.
my point is more that the US has changed the name of the gulf in america. it is very stupid and meaningless, but it is still officially renamed.
if i look at japan in google maps it says japan, not nipon. why? because that’s what we call it here. i personally think thats dumb too. we should call countries things by their real names. deutschland, bharat, suomi, etc
nevertheless the gulf is called the gulf of america here, no matter how dumb that is.
i seriously doubt google, who is under active investigation for monopoly and being threatened to be broken up, AND, recently lifted its ban on using its ai in weapons, is interested in keeping the old name of the gulf in protest against trump.
again, i think this entire situation is stupid, and would prefer everyone call it the gulf of mexico, but i also don’t think google specifically is doing anything wrong here.
US policy doesn’t get to dictate how websites operate in non US jurisdiction
It shows gulf of Mexico outside of the US
found an article for whoever downvoted me lol.
Gulf of America name change in the U.S. — what you’ll see in Maps
Maybe this is the thing that finally unites the cartels.
class action please, so we can let our powers combine
Well, the continent was named America, not the US continent. So the name Gulf of America just sounds right.
I thought it was called North America?
Yeah, “America”.
Following your logic Lake Michigan should be renamed Lake America. There’s a bunch of lakes up there, do they all get renamed Lake of America? Seems confusing!
Here’s a list of all the gulfs in the Americas:
Following your logic, they’re all badly named because that’s just named after the region they’re in, not the content.
Not badly named, I just don’t see anything wrong renaming it to the Gulf of America. It’s like renaming the South China Sea to South East Asia Sea.
Whoa, fella, you can’t apply logic and reasoning around here.
True, lol.
Meh I’ll still use Google.
I don’t. DuckDuckGo and an alternative email provider are wonderful.
I can understand why. To each their own.
DuckDuckGo is just Bing. And Microsoft is not any better in terms of kissing Trump’s ass.
This is stupid. Google is doing it with their normal process, labeling the USA as a sensitive country in their system and changing the label only for the sensitive snowflakes. So there is no harm to Mexicans in Mexico.
What sort of damages would she assert anyway? That her country suffers in a significant way from a Google Maps label that can only be seen from the sensitive country? How so?
And if it’s a political move what is she hoping to achieve? Google will never cave to the USA before Mexico, they depend more on their US operations than their Mexican ones. So she can’t achieve anything politically. Does she want to draw even more attention to a losing fight? A losing fight over mere symbolism no less? Why?
The Gulf of America label can be seen worldwide as it’s Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)
Oh, sorry. You’re right. I was wrong on that point. I didn’t realize it showed the sensitive label in parenthesis to others.
I would maintain the rest of the argument though, with the Mexican (and global) point of view being the more prominently displayed, there is no significant harm, and she doesn’t stand to gain anything from pursuing a civil case, nor politically.
Your issue is with the fed gov, or what is left of it
I thought they just did that in the US
It’s Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America) outside of the USA and just Gulf of Mexico in Mexico. Absolute insanity
It’s stupid, but it’s not that extreme. Countries have different names for things. For example, Germany calls the Baltic Sea “Ostsee” (lit. east sea) and Lake Constance 'Bodensee" (lit. bottom sea) but those things are only at the bottom and east for Germany.
There’s a slight difference in that “Ostsee” is the common name. If the German chancellor decides to call it “Deutsche See” tomorrow, the name would continue to be “Ostsee”, because that’s how language usually works.
“Gulf of America” is just a dictator’s wish of a common name. The people of OpenStreetMap decided to use the tag “official_name:en_US” for that reason, while keeping “Gulf of Mexico” for the commonly used “name:en-US”.
My point is the names are different in different places. At some point, people named things from their perspective irregardless of what others, including those living adjacent to the thing cal it
China calls Taiwan “Chinese Taipei.” Should Google Maps show “Taiwan (Chinese Taipei)” on maps? Because I don’t see how that would be China’s call any more than the name of the Gulf would be Trump’s call.
Is there Google maps in China? If there is, I’d be surprised if it didn’t say that. That is claiming ownership. Countries can’t own a gulf beyond the domestic waters convention. But, I don’t know, that’s a good question because a regular Chinese person would just be confused. It wouldn’t effect any policy change
Nope. Although one explorer did call it Gulf of Florida at one point.
Literally no.
Draces@lemmy.world 1 week ago
It is labeled Gulf of Mexico in Mexico and the name doesn’t mean they own it. This is almost as ridiculous as calling it Gulf of America in the first place
couch1potato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
I’m in tijuana about 10 miles south of the border and it shows as Gulf of America
Draces@lemmy.world 1 week ago
You’re probably connected to a US access point or have cached map data.
blog.google/…/united-states-geographic-name-chang…
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 days ago
This is what I see in England. Why should I have to see what Trump thinks the Gulf’s name is when it wasn’t renamed here?
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Draces@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Because it’s relevant to the region you’re looking at and I’m pretty sure the UK hasn’t taken a firm/legal stance either way. Also not sure how your comment is supposed to relate to my point? Mexico doesn’t have any more right to tell other countries what to call the Gulf than the US or any other country that’s totally outside of any sane jurisdiction