Firefox my beloved.
Google Chrome warns uBlock Origin may soon be disabled
Submitted 3 months ago by neme@lemm.ee to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/google/google-chrome-warns-ublock-origin-may-soon-be-disabled/
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viking@infosec.pub 3 months ago
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Saying this about any corporation’s product is guaranteed not to age well.
Boozilla@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I’m grateful for FF, but they also annoy me at times. Just little stuff probably not worth bitching about in detail. But also a peek at the potential for problems that you’re talking about.
So of course I’ll bitch about it.
I call it the “stop whatever you think you’d rather do right now and pay attention to our product” type shit.
Imagine you have a combination wrench and whenever you take it out of the toolbox it starts yammering at you about how great of a wrench it is and all if its shiny features. Fucking ridiculous, right?
So why do we tolerate software that does that?
Way too much software does this pushy shit. Just stay outta my face and do your actual job, software.
viking@infosec.pub 3 months ago
Firefox is a foundation, not a corporation. And I’m already using Fennec instead of the official release.
Chozo@fedia.io 3 months ago
Yeah, it's strange just how readily the blinders go up wherever Mozilla is concerned. They're a corp, just like any other; if they had the money and leverage, they'd be just as aggressive as Google.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Mmm mmm mmm, Bill Cosby tells me to love my puddin’ pops!
…i feel sleepy…
chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 3 months ago
Empricorn@feddit.nl 3 months ago
You’re overreacting. Firefox knows their users. I am a huge “stan” for Firefox, but I will delete it like a time traveller if they make it impossible to ignore ads. I will salt the earth and poop on Firefox’s grave and actively avoid it everywhere… However. If I’m wrong, there will be a Next Thing…
viking@infosec.pub 3 months ago
Yeah I’m using Fennec, which doesn’t have that. But as long as it’s a flick of a switch to disable, I don’t really mind. Still a million times better than manifest v3.
TerkErJerbs@lemm.ee 3 months ago
If you use a DNS solutions you can block all the telemetry shit. Frankly FF has been phoning home in a lot of undesirable ways for many years even before this, like most browsers.
pwalker@discuss.tchncs.de 3 months ago
At least link the full article and not just the headline… smh. Here is also the follow-up article with comments from Firefox’s CTO. heise.de/…/Firefox-defends-itself-Everything-done…
JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Anyone else been having issues of not being able to load YouTube videos past the first few seconds on Firefox using ublock? I couldn’t find any recent information online. I don’t know if this is part of the war on ad blockers, or unrelated.
viking@infosec.pub 3 months ago
It’s been a side effect of the server side ads apparently, but reloading the page fixes it for me.
errorlab@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Yeah, yesterday. I just kept refreshing. FF + unlock + not signed in, seems to trigger it
snooggums@midwest.social 3 months ago
I watched several videos today on Firefox with ublock origin and no issues. Haven’t run into issues with ads yet.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Haven’t had that issue, nope
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 months ago
meanwhile firefox lists it as recommended and also lets you use it on firefox mobile.
LostXOR@fedia.io 3 months ago
Almost as if a browser company that's not also an advertising company has no reason to fight ad blockers.
hollyberries@programming.dev 3 months ago
I’ve got some bad news for you. Mozilla bought an ad company.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 months ago
It has made mobile browsing usable again for me.
jo3shmoo@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Same. Firefox Mobile had been a laggy mess when I used it a few years ago, but a combination of some really aggressive advertising and the announcement of manifest v3 caused me to give it another shot about a year ago. It’s a dramatic improvement in phone browsing.
TheTimeKnife@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Google needs to be broken up by government.
ArugulaZ@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
It saddens me to agree with this. Who knew Google would become as oppressive as fucking MICROSOFT?
FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 3 months ago
So, what you're saying is: Chrome will have severely decreased functionality and users will no longer be able to protect themselves from sketchy ads that contain scams, malware, and other nefarious bullshit (often hosted on Google's own ad networks)?
OpenStars@discuss.online 3 months ago
What are you expecting, a corp to… ah… uh… not be evil, or something? :-P
Quexotic@infosec.pub 3 months ago
Thank you very much for summoning Jeff Goldblum’s voice into my head.
timewarp@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Users can still use ad blockers. Users will be safer from malicious extensions sending all your web traffic to an untrusted party.
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Whew, kinda weird to find a Google employee on lemmy. I would have thought there were rules against that in the would employee handbook.
FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 3 months ago
Yeah, that's not even how Ublock Origin fucking works, what a hilariously ignorant take.
hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Yeah, we saw this coming. When Manifest v3 first talked about.
Google an ad company are killing ab blockers. Yeah, that sounds right.
partial_accumen@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Google an ad company are killing
ab blockersChrome browsers. Yeah, that sounds right.FTFY
timewarp@lemmy.world 3 months ago
MV3 doesn’t kill ad blockers. uBOL (uBlock Origin Lite) blocks ads, is by the same author and uses MV3. The issue is MV2 made it way too easy for malicious browser extensions to do bad things, like read the content of every page you visit. MV3 makes it much harder for malicious browser extensions to do these things, but makes it harder to do things like intercept network requests.
Some of these “features” that classic uBO used are available in MV3 but requires different permissions. Some of them could also be implemented with native messaging. The main uBO author though feels slighted by Google and went on a trash talking campaign against Google, and to be fair had a few good points. Anyway, most people on social media now care more about how Chromium and Firefox makes them feel now irregardless of facts. They think their emotions somehow are the same as facts.
partial_accumen@lemmy.world 3 months ago
The issue is MV2 made it way too easy for malicious browser extensions to do bad things, like read the content of every page you visit. MV3 makes it much harder for malicious browser extensions to do these things, but makes it harder to do things like intercept network requests.
Then allow a savvy user to choose to keep MV2 mode via an opt-in control instead of depreciating years of hard work by non-malicious extension authors. uBlock Origin is, in fact, the ONLY browser extension I use in Chrome, as Firefox is my main browser.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 3 months ago
And yet the likelihood of Google publishing a malicious extension is quite low. Not sure why you’re so adamant about defending their shitty anti-adblock actions, making excuses for a mega corporation.
Phoenix3875@lemmy.world 3 months ago
From my understanding, MV3 kills vital features of ad-blockers in that
- Some filtering rules do rely on the ability to read the content of the webpage, which can’t be migrated, per the FAQ linked in the article
- The declarative API means updating the rules means an update to the plugin itself, which might get delayed by the reviewing process, causing the blocker to lag behind the tracker. It might not be able to recover as quickly like in the recent YouTube catch-up round.
sapporo@sopuli.xyz 3 months ago
. Some of them could also be implemented with native messaging.
Some? Or all?
uBlockOrigin would still loose some of its features and capabilities nonetheless, even if a sub-set of them could be implemented in other ways. Not?
VantaBrandon@lemmy.world 3 months ago
IT guys will stop using it…
Which means they’ll stop deploying it as the default browser on some large enterprises, it won’t ship as defaults in pre-baked images going forward.
Average joes and janes will use Safari and Edge depending on OS.
Where is their growth going to come from after this change? Chromebooks? lol.
I hope they do it, it will hurt them in the long run.
You can bet 300 new uBlock replacements to spring up practically overnight, some of them scams, reducing trust in the Google ecostystem.
unrelatedkeg@lemmy.sdf.org 3 months ago
You can bet 300 new uBlock replacements to spring up practically overnight, some of them scams, reducing trust in the Google ecostystem.
Unfortunately it’s a bigger problem.
Google doesn’t plan to block uBlock Origin itself, but the APIs it uses to integrate into Chrome in order to function. This will effectively disable all adblockers on Chrome. uBlock won’t be removed from the Chrome extension store, it will just have 90% of its functionality removed.
Additionally, this isn’t a Chrome-only change, but a change in the open source Chromium, an upstream browser of Chrome all other Chrome-based browsers use (essentially everything aside from Firefox and Safari themselves).
The change itself is involved in changing the browser’s “Manifest”, a list of allowed API calls for extensions. The current one is called Manifest v2 and the new one was dubbed Manifest v3.
Theorethically Chromium-based browsers could “backport” Manifest v2 due to the open source nature of Chromium. However that is unlikely as it’s projected to take a lot of resources to change, due mostly to security implications of the change.
Vendors of other Chromium-based browsers themselves have little to gain from making the change aside from name recognition for “allowing uBlock”, which most users either wouldn’t care for or already use Firefox, so the loss for Google isn’t projected to be large, just as the gains for other vendors.
TLDR: uBlock won’t be removed from the Chrome extension store, but the mechanisms through which it blocks ads will be blocked. The block isn’t a change in Chrome but in Chromium and affects all Chromium-based brosers (all except Firefox and Safari). Other vendors could change that to allow adblockers but it’s projectec to take a lot of time and resources.
Bluetreefrog@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Sounds like another reason not to use Chrome.
Mwa@thelemmy.club 3 months ago
I rlly hate how some sites don’t work on Firefox
Shatpoz1288@lemmy.world 3 months ago
The more people use Firefox, the more web devs will be forced to ensure their website works on Firefox.
Mwa@thelemmy.club 3 months ago
True
Enekk@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I’m showing my age, but back when IE was basically the only browser and Firefox (Firebird back then) launched, people often lamented that things didn’t work in Firefox. The solution? People used Firefox and web developers were forced to make their shit work in Firefox. When Chrome came out, suddenly we had three real options and the way to make everything work? Open Standards.
Now, Chrome is in the position IE was back before Firefox came around. How ever will we make sure things work in Firefox??? Use Firefox. If enough people dump Google’s malware browser, the web has to go back to supporting multiple browsers through open standards.
Squizzy@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Thing is Google’s influence on Firefox is making it a worse company and browser as AI and privacy invading features take over.
Mwa@thelemmy.club 3 months ago
Real
dan@upvote.au 3 months ago
Have you reported issues for them? It’s in the menu somewhere. If Mozilla get a lot of reports for particular sites, they reach out to the webmaster and try to work with them to improve Firefox support - usually by removing proprietary Chrome-only features or by removing reliance on Chrome bugs that don’t exist in Firefox.
Akareth@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Same. For me, the big one’s my bank that requires its users to use Chrome, else it won’t let you log in. I got around this by using an agent-switcher extension in Firefox.
Retrograde@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Which sites?
InternetUser2012@lemmy.today 3 months ago
User agent switcher. I have zero issues since using it.
VantaBrandon@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Could turn out to be a good thing. All power users will dump Chrome practically overnight, a huge boon to the alternatives, that could actually give them enough momentum to compete with Google for a change. I’m sure they’ve considered this, probably an empty treat.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 months ago
I’m not sure how wide the intersection of power users that use uBO but also haven’t heard of the manifest v3 deprecation coming since like 2019 actually is, but that could be because I’m the type of person to randomly recommend browsers to people and discuss them a lot.
FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world 3 months ago
🖕
occhionaut@lemmy.world 3 months ago
🖕🖕
backup has arrived
angelmountain@feddit.nl 3 months ago
Let this be my warning to Google that I will never go back to their browser when they do. Challas! ✌️
Summzashi@lemmy.one 3 months ago
I reckon they’re absolutely shaking with fear by your warning.
archchan@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
Google sneezes and your future is stolen by an ad that’s selling it back to you. Google is too big to exist.
ohlaph@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Google Chrome is about to be disabled? Got it.
Beaver@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
There it is. Firefox and Librewolf will guide us out of this mess.
ArugulaZ@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
Gee, what a shame. Good think I switched to FireFox. Hey, does anyone know how to make chat work on FireFox?
spiderman@ani.social 3 months ago
chat?
praise_idleness@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
80% of the websites saying we only support Chromium can be used without any problem by chaning Useragent header
NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 3 months ago
Some of us never left Firefox.
superkret@feddit.org 3 months ago
Is “chat work” like Onlyfans but clothed?
Lightsong@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I use Firefox but when I watch twitch or wherever, I need Google chrome’s live caption to see what streamers say.
Firefox please get this feature asap. So I can delete Google chrome for good.
scrion@lemmy.world 3 months ago
No idea where you’d like to use live captions, but n maybe this helps:
pissclumps@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Good riddance then. Fuck chrome
downpunxx@fedia.io 3 months ago
laughs in firefox
HawlSera@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Oh no uses Firefox Anyway…
suction@lemmy.world 3 months ago
“This destroys the Chrome”
stevegiblets@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Then it’s goodbye Chrome.
EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 3 months ago
I cannot really be happy about being on Librewolf, because I am very afraid Firefox might eventually ditch MV2 as well. Mozilla is dependent on Google and is known for questionable choices, so…
independantiste@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Firefox supports MV3, with some tweaks such as the WebRequest limitations added by Google’s MV3 being removed from the Firefox implementation. I don’t think they will remove it
jbk@discuss.tchncs.de 3 months ago
Google forcing Firefox to do such a move sounds very anti-competitive. I don’t know if that would ever happen.
BassTurd@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I use chromium for one thing, and it’s casting live sports to my Chromecast. My plans to implement a HTPC have just been expedited.
chalupapocalypse@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Will a pihole fill this void?
ChonkaLoo@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Thank you Google I hope shitty moves like this drives enough people away to better browsers like Firefox. It desperately needs a bigger market share.
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
Google needs to be ended.
Mwa@thelemmy.club 3 months ago
Google copying mrkrabs lol
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Very firefox, very legal very cool.
roofuskit@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Good thing I ditched Chrome the moment I heard about their plans.
MagicShel@programming.dev 3 months ago
I’m warning Google that Google Chrome may soon be disabled on my devices.
wazzupdog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 months ago
It already is on mine, no trace of chromium or it’s forks.
can@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Until you do more than warn they don’t care.
Beaver@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
Linux Phones and Degoogled phones surge in response.
OpenStars@discuss.online 3 months ago
Unfortunately for work I may have no choice:-(. Several of our daily work products I’ve tried on Firefox without success. Those also don’t have ads.
I wish there were better alternatives. I may try out LibreWolf but I could not imagine it somehow being easier, though with enough effort put in the end result may be all that matters. Until the first update (possibly forced on the server end even if I don’t on mine) that breaks everything and I cannot do my work for the day, in which case I will absolutely go crawling back to Chrome, bc they have us by the short hairs there.:-(
CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
My company just plain old won’t install Firefox without a good reason.
I’m stuck using chrome or edge. Once the ad block stops working on chrome, I move over.
MagicShel@programming.dev 3 months ago
I went through the same thing with MSIE. Corporate mandates and stuff. Businesses are sometimes wrong.