Cars Are Now Rolling Computers Now. So What Happens When They Stop Getting Updates?

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• dan@upvote.au ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I hate these proprietary systems because companies have very bad track records in terms of maintenance, since they’d rather you buy a newer product.

  In 2022, the automaker told drivers of the affected cars, some only three years old, that a technical solution was delayed by the pandemic. Now, more than two years later, those drivers still don’t have access to telematics services. […] Vehicles from Hyundai and Nissan, some as late as model year 2019, also lost some features after 2022’s 3G sunset.

  In a country with good consumer rights, this would be a valid reason to return it and get a replacement or refund: It’s no longer offering functionality that was advertised and that you paid for as part of the purchase price.

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  • FrostyPolicy@suppo.fi ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    In a country with good consumer rights, this would be a valid reason to return it and get a replacement or refund: It’s no longer offering functionality that was advertised and that you paid for as part of the purchase price.

    In the EU this would probably be a no-brainer.

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    • dan@upvote.au ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Same in Australia, where I’m from. I’m living in the USA now and it’s a lot harder to get refunds for things like this.

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    • norimee@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The mandatory warranty for any product in the EU is 2 years. It doesn’t take into account products like cars that you would expect to be usable for 10+ years.

      I doubt you could claim anything in the EU either after more than 2 years.

      I’m not an expert on this, if there are some regulations I didnt take into account, please correct me.

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    • anivia@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No, it wouldn’t. The same thing happened when 3G was shut off here and there was no recourse for consumers.

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• jabjoe@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Without right to repair, there will be planned obsolescence.

  My Citroen EV developed an on board charger fault. It wouldn’t charge. The part was a “coded part” which meant it had to specifically programmed with my EV’s ID by Citroen at manufacture. It took months to finally be fitted and ready. So basically, not only does the coded parts system make service shit, but also means when the manufacturer is done making the part, the car is dead. You can’t swap parts between cars and there is no third party parts. It’s meant to be about car theft, but it’s very convenient it blocks competition and long product life…

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  • derpgon@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If it was a carburetor (which EVs do not have), I’d be okay with a DRM. But boards? Is there an organized crime group that steals EV boards? Next time it will be funking wipers with DRM.

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    • jabjoe@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They DRM it all if we let them. We must not. It should going the other way. More open, repairable and upgradable.

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    • xthexder@l.sw0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      How would carburetor DRM make any sense? Those are super common to take apart and rebuild or replace (like step 1 of every old restoration).

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• todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Cars should just come with a big open socket up front, where I can buy (or build) my own infotainment system to install there. That way I can replace it over the course of the car’s lifetime. Or, give me the option to just plug it up or install a traditional car radio or something. I should be able to cram an 8-track player in if I want.

  Keep all automobile controls as physical buttons, knobs, and levers.

  I haven’t owned a car in over 10 years, but whenever I look at what’s available, I can’t get past how much planned obsolescence is baked into newer cars. I would never buy one…

  If automakers focused on cars, and let tech companies and focus on building the infotainment systems, we’d have better choices and less vendor lock-in.

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  • noughtnaut@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Cars should just come with a big open socket up front, where I can buy (or build) my own infotainment system to install there.

    …which is precisely what we used to have, before auto makers decided to insist that they should be enclosed in a swooping dash.

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    • todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’d be fine with a reinvention of the modular system with more digital I/O and connections to other features of the car. Let me buy something like a “Samsung Galaxy Drive” infotainment dash that embodies the “swooping dash” concept, or let me buy a pre-built shell that I can build out like a custom PC.

      I can cram my car full of corporate apps, or I can run it on Linux. I would love to have the choice.

      Any future self-driving capabilities need to be inside of their own dedicated system like an aircraft autopilot.

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    • BigPotato@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I mean, the DIN hole was a standard size but it certainly wasn’t a ‘socket’ and anyone who had a Ford Focus that needed a Mercedes-Benz writing harness to plug up their aftermarket radio knows what I’m on about.

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  • Omniraptor@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I may be weird but why would you need an infotainment system at all? I have all the infotainment I could possibly want in my phone, the car is only needed as a Bluetooth speaker and for standard playback controls.

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    • boonhet@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The car screen is significantly bigger than the phone screen, making it quicker to glance at it for driving instructions.

      But now we’re just coming back to Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. I just want a big screen with physically touchable controls for those. My previous car did exactly that, but now I’ve gone near two decades older so I now get a fancy screen with no functionality beyond FM radio and DVD video lol

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  • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That was also the point of Apple CarPlay/Android auto. Let the manufacturer provide the hardware but your phone can run the infotainment. Let actual software companies do that, instead of the horrible mess that car manufacturers make out of software

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    • Laborer3652@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The problem with that though, at least for Android Auto, is that Google (and I also presume Apple) controls the apps that can be shown on the center console. They effectively cut out all competitors by controlling the access. I would like an Open API for this please!

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• mox@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m disappointed to find this article is mainly about losing premium subscription features that use mobile internet, which I see as little more than expensive spyware. I don’t want them in the first place, and although I believe that some people might, it doesn’t seem like one of the important issues around car technology or transportation in general.

  The promise is a “smartphone on wheels”: a car that automakers can continue to improve well after an owner drives away from a showroom.

  I feel a more worthwhile discussion would be about how a long a “smartphone on wheels” will remain useful compared to one that doesn’t depend on continually updated software. How much more often will it need to be replaced? How much more will that cost people? How much more waste and pollution will it generate? What sort of right-to-repair laws do we need here?

  Seems like a missed opportunity.

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• fubarx@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s not just cars. Anything with electronics (appliances, smarthome devices, healthcare, transportation) that is designed to last more than three years will hit a wall.

  The host devices are designed to last 10-15 years, but the electronics will be out-of-date in 3-5 years.

  The processor manufacturer will have moved on to new tech and will stop making spare parts. The firmware will only get updated if something really bad happens. Most likely, it’ll get abandoned. And some time soon, the software toolchain and libraries will not be available anymore. Let’s not think of the devs who will have moved on. Anyone want to make a career fixing up 10-yo software stack? Where’s the profit in that for the manufacturer?

  So as an end-user, you’re stuck with devices that can not be updated and there’s still at least 10-20 years of life left on them. Best of luck.

  Solution: go analog. Pay extra if you have to. They’ll last longer and the ROI and privacy can’t be beat.

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  • wewbull@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The problem isn’t analogue Vs digital, or even software controlled or not. It’s about the design assuming:

    1. The manufacturer will always exist
    2. The manufacturer should be the only one to maintain the device.
    3. The manufacture will define what the owner will do with the device.

    An analogue device can be at fault too. Proprietary parts. Construction techniques which don’t allow for dissambly without destroying things. All that stuff.

    …but you’re right. Buy the items that let you service them, that don’t rely on cloud servers and software updates, that use standard parts, etc, etc. Right to repair legislation is good too, but the companies understand purchasing power more. So educate those around you too.

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    • xthexder@l.sw0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      A lot of what’s driving these decisions is the mass switch to subscription models. Everything’s designed so you have to keep coming back to the manufacturer.

      It used to be making a high quality, standalone product meant you could spend less on customer service and RMA’s. Now they’ve figured out they can sell you service contracts and make money off you being locked in.

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    • AnarchoSnowPlow@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Analogue doesn’t have firmware that can reject a device based on id.

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  • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yes and no. My “smart” TV is still doing just fine a good decade since I bought it… by never connecting it to the internet.

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• NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Cellular enabled cars are dumb. That’s a hill I’m willing to die on.

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  • ZarkleFarkle@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Me when my car gets hack and remote controlled to drive off a cliff:

    “Ahhh” D: sploosh

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  • kalleboo@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Naw, I live in a hot as hell country I’m super jealous of people who can remote-start the air conditioning in their cars.

    It should be an open interface like OBD2 though where you can choose the hardware/provider instead of being locked to the car manufacturer deprecating everything in 3 years to sell you a new car.

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    • boonhet@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Two way alarm systems with remote start have been a thing for pretty long and don’t all require cellular connection. Some are just super long distance key fobs.

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    • sheogorath@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You don’t really need connected cars for that. My car has no smart features but still has a remote start capability. It uses the car remote to trigger it instead of cellular connection.

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    • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I cannot remote start my car. If it’s really hot or really cold, I go outside for a few seconds to start the car and then go back inside. It’s really not that big a hardship.

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    • Anatares@lemmynsfw.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Assuming you park next to your house a WiFi connection on the local network would be everything you need. Relatively cheap compared to the car would be a repeater to extend it for people like me who park 30-50m away I agree with you assumption that this is car manufacturers creating software based planned obsolescence. An open source framework would resolve this concern even over cell networks but defeats the entire point of also pushing power windows and seat heating as a service.

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  • SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Makes no sense to me…but at this very moment I’m a hypocrite lol

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  • 0x0@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Crash-detection systems can use cellular to alert medical authorities, that and theft are about the only practical use cases i see for that.

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    • ThePrivacyPolicy@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I feel like these days the tech should be there to just leverage our cell phones for this. Most drivers have their phones paired to their cars now anyway, and perhaps some sort of emergency protocol could be created where a car could even connect through a nearby non-paired phone for an automated emergency call too. As for tracking - make cars have something like an air tag type function built in that can share both android+apple tracking networks. This is all a pipe dream anyway - there’s money to be made on connected car services so the shareholders won’t be for modernizing the approach anytime soon.

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• Zak@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Locked bootloaders should be illegal. Manufacturers should have to provide enough specs that third parties can write code that runs on the hardware.

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  • 0x0@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Manufacturers should have to provide enough specs that third parties can write code that runs on the hardware.

    “But Crowdstrike” would probably be an argument against.

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    • Zak@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      “Security” as an excuse for self-serving bullshit isn’t new.

      Sure, there’s a risk of breaking things. I can do that with a hacksaw and a soldering iron too, and it’s widely recognized that it isn’t up to the manufacturer of the thing to keep me from breaking it. We need the same understanding for devices that depend on software.

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• skulblaka@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I dream of an open source car. Something simple but reliable, say a legally-distinct 2004 Honda Accord, bog standard, no frills, no detail package options, just A Cheap Car with standardized parts and open source software. It’s the only car the company makes, you can buy one for 10k or build your own for 6k out of parts and a couple months worth of weekends, car nerds will fork the software for infinite tuning customization, and it doesn’t report your location back to headquarters. Parts are standardized across every car we’ve ever made so your local parts store will have them in stock. The new model year is the same car as last year, we just built some fresh ones for people to buy new.

  I have no way of making this dream a reality. But I dream of it nonetheless. American car culture has gone off the rails, and the number of people I see already driving around old 5-owner Hondas and Toyotas and Buicks tells me that there is definitely a market for a cheap basic car that runs.

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  • InFerNo@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That would have been the Sono Sion, but there was too little interest. Not enough preorders meant they ran out of money to continue development.

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    • 96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Off topic: I’d argue Love Exposure by Sion Sono is the best movie ever made.

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  • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Car dependency is a dead end. It’s inherently wasteful, privileged, and unsustainable. I would much rather have free, extensive, public transit and safe infrastructure for pedestrians, bikes, and light EVs.

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    • InternetUser2012@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Tell us you don’t live in the US without telling us you don 't live in the US.

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    • nyan@lemmy.cafe ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Building out transit and infrastructure takes time. In the meanwhile, people still have to get places.

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    • firadin@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Great, lmk when there’s a regular train from Boston to my office in Boxborough, which currently requires it’s residents to drop off their own trash at the facility. I’m sure that’ll be frequent and efficient right?

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  • frezik@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Creating a FOSS EV is all do-able right now with off the shelf motors and batteries. Welding a frame would take some skill. How to title it would depend on the local government rules; many states in the US have a kit car designation for this sort of thing, but not all do.

    If it’s built rigid like a race car with a roll cage, four-point harness, and at least a DOT rated helmet for everyone inside (if not Snell), it could be safer then most cars on the road. If it’s not very large, then it’s probably safer for pedestrians and bicycles, too.

    I don’t expect air bags to be viable. It takes a lot of tuning to get them right, and they can be worse than nothing if not done right (they’re basically a controlled explosion). However, the race car-like design above, plus helmets, would keep you safer than any air bag. Road cars converted to track cars often disable or remove the air bags. The rules of the event may even require it. They’re counterproductive dead weight when you’re packed in this way.

    Other creature comforts are going to be what you put into it, but keep in mind that many of the things we take for granted in modern cars–A/C, stereos, padded seats, etc.–add a whole lot of weight.

    What also adds weight is how many passengers you want to carry at once. Two passengers won’t add much weight, but four or more would. All that extra frame material adds up.

    Building a traditional frame would take some welding skills. I have just enough welding skills to make some shelves, but anything structural (which my tutor defined as “anything where somebody’s life depends on the weld holding”) is not something I’m comfortable doing. That is to say, it’ll take more than a quick tutorial and a little practice.

    However, one interesting possibility is epoxy. Lotus did this for the Elise, and I once tracked down the epoxy manufacturer they use (I’d have to search around to find it again, though). The instructions for it didn’t seem to need anything particularly out of reach for a hobbyist (doesn’t need a big autoclave or anything like that). Lotus did reinforce certain sections with bolts/rivets. It will take some knowledge to design a frame around this, but it’s one time design work by an engineer and then everyone can copy it.

    One advantage Lotus had over a welded frame was thinner material. A weld itself is very strong, but it weakens the metal around it (meaning you usually get breaks around the weld, not on it). You have to use thicker metal to compensate for that. Since Lotus was using an epoxy, they could use thinner material for less weight, and it was stronger in the end.

    Since it’s also getting rid of a whole lot of weight around the frame, the range you get out of those batteries could be extreme. It could also be extremely quick with a modest motor.

    This is basically all to say that you can have any three: safe, creature comforts, enough space for passengers, range.

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    • boonhet@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      For legal reasons it might be easier to take an existing car, throw out all the tech, and add your own. You won’t own the chassis design, but you can at least use open source software everywhere.

      Difference between getting a modification certified, vs a self build.

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    • HelloHotel@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I want that so badly.

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  • markon@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah I want my autonomous electric town car to be fully open. We should be able to have sustainable cars if any cars at all. Cars you can’t easily repair or maintain are not sustainable.

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  • ApollosArrow@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I assume car manufacturers would try to stop this by saying people would just load up video games or netflix on their dashboards while they drive. Even though you could probably do that now already, if you really wanted to.

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    • laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Hell, I could just bolt a laptop to the dash if I really wanted that

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• OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Phones are supported well beyond their average ownership lifetime.

  Are they?

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  • subignition@fedia.io ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    My hunch is that "average ownership lifetime" for mobile phones is MUCH lower than you or I (or anyone who is careful with their phone) probably expects. There is probably a too-big segment of the market that is trading in yearly for a newer model.

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  • NegativeInf@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Supported in the sense that “We will update your device and deliberately slow it, break it, or brick it because fuck you.”

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  • jabjoe@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    By communities, but not the manufacturer. Custom ROMs is the only way to keep it up to date for long enough for the hardware to become too old to be worth it.

    No custom ROM for cars anytime soon.

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    • dgriffith@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      ECU remapping has been done since there were programmable ECUs.

      There’s plenty of custom ROMs for cars from all major manufacturers, you just don’t know where to look.Google “ECU remap” or “dpf delete” for an idea.

      Apart from engine/drive line tinkering, there are also plenty of third party software that can tinker with body computers for “lifestyle” adjustments.

      Is it easy and accessible? No. Because of environmental laws, and vendor lock in you can’t generally and easily dick around with the control software in your car. But it does exist.

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  • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Some certainly are. Most consumers keep their phones 2-3 years. Many are supported well beyond that.

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    • simplejack@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Many now. Up until recently it was pretty common for manufacturers to leave you SOL after 2 major Android releases.

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• AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’ve been screaming about this for years and no one listens.

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  • 1984@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Noone listens because they want people to buy new cars every 10-15 years. Capitalism endgame where companies don’t care about what the consumer wants anymore, as long as they make sure consumers don’t have choices.

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    • AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think no one listens to me because I’m just some dude, lol. You right though

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    • wewbull@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Your family members want that?

      No, they don’t listen because they don’t understand.

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• NutWrench@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  When you car can connect to the Internet, it becomes a data-mining tool that tells everyone your business. Companies would LOVE to have all that juicy location data that only Google has right now (from your phones). Insurance companies would LOVE to know your driving habits to have any excuse at all to jack up your premiums.

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• Sam_Bass@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Just another way to force you to buy a new one

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• fury@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  How is the 3G sunset not solvable by just swapping out a modem module for an LTE or 5G one and maybe installing some new modem firmware? A lot of cars are running a Linux kernel under the hood, so I’d think it’s pretty well swap and go

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  • boonhet@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Ah, if only car hardware was modular and standardized… And if you had access to your infotainment system beyond touching the pretty buttons…

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    • fury@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Imagine something as outlandish as user serviceable infotainment systems. Like they used to have in the old days. I’m hanging on by a thread to my basic 2014 car which still has a double DIN slot I can put my own system into…some day

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    • pumpkinseedoil@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Are these buttons in a room with us right now

      Give me my buttons back

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  • jwt@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think the question is not if it’s solvable, but ‘who pays for it?’ and ‘who can be held accountable if things go awry?’

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    • fury@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The company that didn’t see the 3G sunset coming, I would think. I know auto moves slow, but damn…4G was out for what, 4-5 years before development likely started on the 2019 model year?

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• Gsus4@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  …linux cars? Pretty please?

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  • BilboBargains@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Vehicle control systems are overwhelmingly programmed in C, mostly from graphical design tools such as MATLAB Simulink via an automatic process. These are real time control systems which are quite different to an interrupt based operating system such as Linux. The many individual controllers must work in concert according to a strict architecture definition and timing schedule that defines the functionality of the vehicle. It’s not at all like a PC or phone, whose OS become irrelevant over time, with respect to their environment of other systems. The vehicle environment is the same environment that we inhabit i.e. the one with gravity, friction, charge and the other SI units. This is slowly changing with advent of self driving but, yeah.

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  • jose1324@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    God no

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• histic@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  And this is why I drive a 1980 Volkswagen rabbit pickup. better gas mileage then modern cars (50mpg+ on the highway) I can replace about any part in it for under a few hundred in most cases even a new engine can be done under 1000. And everything is dead simple to work on no fancy computers or anything.

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  • AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    How about those crumple zones? Feel safe in your passenger cage? Hope you’re shorter than the dashboard in case of a rollover. Don’t have to worry about getting hit by those airbags, do you? Imagine that steering column spearing through your chest

    New cars aren’t just about the latest infotainment, gadgets, and design. There have been huge improvements in pollution control and safety. There has also been huge improvements in efficiency, even if they’re masked by the increased weight of safety improvements, increased performance, and generally much larger size. So far a lot of that increased complexity is well worth it - I’ll never have another car without anti-lock brakes

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  • Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Polluting as hell though, or so I imagine?

    Even in Sweden catalysators were not mandatory before like 1986 IIRC.

    The rest is awesome though 👍😎

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• chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Late stage capitalism

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• wewbull@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You don’t need a computer in a car, especially an electric one. Sure, you want some electronics, but do you think 1970s milk floats had computers in them. Today’s EVs are basically the same thing with better motors and batteries.

  Software control should be kept for luxury aspects of the vehicle. Nothing critical.

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  • derpgon@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Software control should be kept for luxury aspects of the vehicle. Nothing critical.

    Tesla would disagree, lol. But then again, for the price, the whole car is a luxury.

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  • Codilingus@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I have never heard of a vehicle that was referred to as a milk float, ever. What they is?!

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• TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If only. They are more like rolling SmartTVs. Once they stop getting updates, only the offline features will work.

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  • Contravariant@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Please tell me someone though about a switch to take them offline.

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• jimmy90@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  this should be part of car safety and legislated by the govt, no?

  in the uk it would be part of the MOT to see that your software is up to date and working

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• I_Miss_Daniel@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What’s wrong with just a pot box, a motor and some batteries?

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• Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Then whatever is fucked in the electronics will be fucked forever.

  Just like it has been for the last 20 years or so.

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• spyd3r@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Wellllll… you rip all that computerized shit out, disconnect the ECU out and strap a carburetor on the engine and make the car what it should have been all along, an entirely mechanical machine.

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• frigidaphelion@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Headlines now are now not even now proofread now

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• hahattpro@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Now car do get dlx, subscription.

  And when you sell a car, all dlc are lost.

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• dumbass@leminal.space ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  They no roll?

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• Wanderer@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Hopefully self driving cars take over the world and all the idiots get off the road anyway. No one will have to be concerned.

  I would hope for public transport and cycle paths but the public have repeatedly shown to be against that.

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• NegativeInf@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s not a computer if it can’t run doom. And I look forward for Linux variants specific to vehicles.

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• yesman@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I think people are missing the fact that the features of this VW are going away because they run on 3G. What can a car manufacturer do? Correct me if I’m wrong, you can’t just drop a new antenna to fix the problem.

  Cars routinely last 15 years and that’s geologic time compared to tech. This isn’t just a problem of greed or lack of foresight.

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• Bertuccio@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Now?

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• theacharnian@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  They have been rolling computers for at least 15 years now.

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