Can Teams please fuck off and take Outlook with it?
Report: Microsoft to face antitrust case over Teams
Submitted 6 months ago by lemmee_in@lemm.ee to technology@lemmy.world
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/05/report-microsoft-to-face-antitrust-case-over-teams/
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Naich@lemmings.world 6 months ago
kennebel@lemmy.world 6 months ago
The only thing worse is New Outlook. They took away all of the power features and a good deal of the customization, and so you are left with something that feels like it was designed for a mobile app while you try to manage thousands of emails.
Scrollone@feddit.it 6 months ago
It’s literally their web app put in a Chrome window.
It’s outrageous. The Mac version of Outlook is way better, and it’s native!!
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 6 months ago
And they absolutely fucked years and years of security training by fucking with url previews and truncating the front of the url.
What the actual fuck were they thinking?
tourist@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I made the mistake of trying to mark 900 unread emails as read
do not do that if you’re in a hurry
Kedly@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Recently a LOT of my emails with hotmail have been getting blocked at the server level, they arent even reaching my junk mail, which makes troubleshooting why I’m not getting emails a nightmare, ESPECIALLY in this day and age if 2fA
codenul@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
New Outlook is just the old Windows Mail application reskinned. The fact that you can have both Outlook and NEW Outlook installed at the same time is weird. Working in IT, its one thing I check when working with end users.
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 6 months ago
*and Exchange Servers
stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
I literally have Gmail connected into Outlook at work because of how much better it is than the shitty way that Gmail deals with long threads of emails, emails with attachments, and just finding old emails in general. GSuite in general is just hot trash compared to proper Office.
Croquette@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Gsuite workflow is terrible. You can’t copy paste files in drive because fuck you.
Gmail chat takes forever to load. And when it loads, it defaults to search contact. So if in the meantime, you pressed the contact you want already because it takes 5 seconds to load, it goes back to the search contact.
You need to have 5 different tabs to work within the ecosystem.
Google docs is dogshit. At this point, I prefer markdown with a latex converter over Google docs.
No desktop clients for their services.
The Gdrive shared with me vs your drive is terrible.
Bahnd@lemmy.world 6 months ago
MS being sued for packaging something with windows? Haven’t we seen this before?
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Yes, I’m sure the penalties will be so high as to teach them a lesson they won’t forget for decades because that’s how good the legal system is in dealing with corporations now.
ripcord@lemmy.world 6 months ago
The early 2000s stuff did end up having some significant effects that lasted for decades.
They’ve 100% forgotten all about that or think it won’t happen again in the last few years, though.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
Nope, this is completely unique
viking@infosec.pub 6 months ago
Someone should face jail time for this piece of crap that I can’t opt out of.
And OneDrive as well. That piece of shit installed itself as the default save as location, and after removing it from my system, the save as dialogue now hangs for 20 seconds. And the policy to remove OD as a save location doesn’t work whatsoever.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
the universal hate teams gets warms my heart.
the ubiquitousness of it dumbfounds me though.
fuck teams.
GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 6 months ago
When something is both universally hated and almost always chosen above less hated competitors, that’s usually a sign that there’s some kind of market failure. Maybe it’s anticompetitive conduct by the provider (like Microsoft using its market power on Outlook/Exchange to push other services like Teams over its competition), or a principal-agent problem (like the person paying for Teams not actually having to live with most of the shittiness).
havocpants@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Maybe it’s anticompetitive conduct by the provider (like Microsoft using its market power on Outlook/Exchange to push other services like Teams over its competition)
That’s exactly what it is. They leveraged their dominance/monopoly in one market to gain a stranglehold on another market. It’s not exactly a new tactic for Microsoft either.
nixcamic@lemmy.world 6 months ago
And also all of their competition also kinda sucks. So like, Teams is worse enough that if you’re using it every day you’ll hate it but not worse enough that if you use it once or twice you’ll notice.
ozymandias117@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It’s ubiquitous because it was added for free to Office 365, so companies would use it instead of its competitors
Microsoft changed that for new customers a couple weeks ago and it’s now a separate subscription
The standard make it free until it’s ubiquitous then start charging for it
FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 6 months ago
How about Edge!?
Gork@lemm.ee 6 months ago
No thanks, I’ll stick with my unpatched IE 6 instead.
FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 6 months ago
If you aren't using Netscape Navigator, what are you even doing?
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
What about it? Its is some much better than Chrome or Brave
- Microsoft
FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 6 months ago
"USE EDGE OR WE WILL CUT YOU!"
-Microsoft in 5 years probably
Olap@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Am I taking crazy pills? Discord and Slack suck just as much imo. They are all a shitty web app repackaged for the desktop. And they are all fine, barely anything to chose betweem them. Teams is probably the best as the calendar integration with outlook and hosting ad-hoc drop in meetings in a room is good, no really, the virtual office is fantastic for pairing and team work.
IM peaked with IRC though, the simplicity was excellent, Matrix the closest thing to it imo. I do wish more stuff integrated with it to offer the same business experience as teams
viking@infosec.pub 6 months ago
Yeah they are shit, but aren’t forced down your throat by the OS.
I hate teams with a passion. As long as you have to work with more than one organization, nothing works whatsoever. You are constantly logged out, have to go through their stupid authenticator app, can’t save a second login (only a private one, not an organization), links open in the wrong org (even if you are logged in), etc. etc.
I’ve reached the point where I use teams exclusively in Edge, alongside with Outlook, because both of their desktop apps are utter crap.
Wirlocke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
I hate that it’s links are “incompatible” with Firefox, even though if you trick it into thinking it’s Chrome, it works just fine.
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 6 months ago
this here - fuck that BS. Also, the Linux Desktop app discontinued since 2022 (still works, for now, on my debian)
fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 6 months ago
Its not a question of which one is good or bad.
1984@lemmy.today 6 months ago
Why do Microsoft have to welcome people to their software? Is it because they otherwise wouldn’t feel welcome using it? :P
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
Inclusion be like
elrik@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Unpopular opinion I guess, but I think Teams is actually pretty good at my workplace.
ShepherdPie@midwest.social 6 months ago
Have you been forced to use “New Teams” that loves to close itself randomly throughout the day and also doesn’t allow you to pin it to the taskbar even though the option is there and selectable? It also has a permanent “Update” button at the top of the window that nags you to update but when you select it, it tells you that you’re running a newer version than what’s available.
AWittyUsername@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Also constantly asks if you want to try the new teams even though you’re using the new fucking teams.
SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Mine decided that starting with Windows was like spitting in a baby’s eye and disabled it for everyone, now I have to remember to turn it on or write a batch file but I’d rather not because Teams is fuckered
Safipok@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
In terms of working, I find discord best. SharePoint is incredibly slow for me, all the materials inside teams is dumped there.
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Okay but could they please hide the microphone settings a little deeper under menus that are already hard to find such as whatever makes the PowerPoint presentation go full screen? No one has ever figured out that one. It’s just that we love the resonance of that beautiful feedback sound. As soon as one of the old farts joins the meeting, we know that beautiful sound that slices thru all mosquitoes in the area is coming. But all too soon someone walks through the procedure for turning off the microphone. If we could have it for another 10 minutes without automatically detecting it like almost any other software from the 90’s would, that would be sweet!
ChillPenguin@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Don’t forget to change the setting location to different tabs every other week too to keep you on your toes.
vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 6 months ago
sometimes it takes minutes to load the calendar, only to still fail
BigTrout75@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Microsoft isn’t slacking with teams.
autotldr@lemmings.world [bot] 6 months ago
This is the best summary I could come up with:
According to three people with knowledge of the move, the European Commission is pressing ahead with a formal charge sheet against the world’s most valuable listed tech company over concerns it is restricting competition in the sector.
Microsoft last month offered concessions as it sought to avoid regulatory action, including extending a plan to unbundle Teams from other software such as Office, not just in Europe but across the world.
The EU then issued a 561 million euro fine against Microsoft for failure to comply with a decision over the bundling of the Internet Explorer browser with its Windows operating system.
The company declined to comment but referred to an earlier statement that said it would “continue to engage with the commission, listen to concerns in the marketplace, and remain open to exploring pragmatic solutions that benefit both customers and developers in Europe.”
Microsoft is also part of a handful of tech companies, including Google and Meta, caught as “gatekeepers” under the new Digital Markets Act, meaning it has special responsibilities when trading in Europe.
The tech company has also faced complaints from European cloud computing providers that are concerned that Microsoft is abusing its dominant position in the sector to force users to buy its products and squashing competition from smaller start-ups in Europe.
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phoenixz@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Teams is the fuckin worst.
At this point I prefer to Skype before I’d teams, and I hate Skype with a passion already.
Call quality is abysmal compared to meet, it’s a continuous crash, feature suddenly inexplicably doesn’t work, and what not more. There is always somebody who can’t get video turned on all of the sudden, always effin around with audio and this morning o cut off a teams call and decided to call the person by phone because that at least worked.
Fuck. Teams.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
So to have a productive comment on all this teams shit (and slack shit too IMHO)
What is currently the best self hosted solution?
I used to habe nextcloud with only office, offering and allowing multiple users to work simultaneously on documents, next cloud itself rocked, but what about video and audio calls, what about chat? Anything out there that is integrated easily in next cloud?
arcayne@lemmy.today 6 months ago
We’re so tightly integrated with the M$ ecosystem at my work, it’s painful. My department has even been going out of it’s way to self host (F)OSS alternatives where we can, just to avoid as much of the cludge as possible.
Has anyone tried out the new Teams integration feature that Mattermost recently rolled out for Enterprise customers? If so, any good?
If we can seamlessly sync calls/meetings from Teams into Mattermost and ditch the Teams client for our day-to-day comms, I might have a fighting chance at convincing my supervisor to pivot my department.
rapechildren@lemmynsfw.com 6 months ago
Empricorn@feddit.nl 6 months ago
They should face The Hague for how bad Teams is. Currently I have the “option” to switch to “Classic Teams” (which needed to be a separate application because fuck-knows-why) via a toggle. When I do, it launches Classic Teams and freezes, requires another 2FA approval, or both. Then, it later closes and auto-updates to “New” Teams and I get to do the whole process again. And New 3DS Plus Teams 2024 ME+ Pro U has stupid floaty notifications that take up too much space and annoy me.
Thank you for listening…
hushable@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Teams also sets itself to autostart with Windows, even if you choose not to, or diabale it from the startup manager, it overrides it upon next launch.
It’s the only software I’ve ever seen doing that crime against humanity.
Albbi@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Programs that do that are straight up malware in my opinion.
Vlyn@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
It doesn’t for me, just turn it off.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
You can turn it off
Flatfire@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Iirc support for Classic Teams was dropped in March (or earlier). New Teams is generally less buggy in my experience anyways, and I haven’t yet found functionality its lacking. Not sure why you’re still presented with the option to drop back, as I don’t believe I’ve seen that toggle in a while
Brkdncr@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It’s still supported under VDI environments which is why the toggle still exists at all.
Not the best rollout of a MS product but I give them credit for realizing that they needed to switch the underlying code base completely to be more efficient, and actually committing to it.
Empricorn@feddit.nl 6 months ago
Yeah, I figured it was EOL. But look for the option at the top and the toggle is there, in the current version!
janNatan@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
Oh, don’t worry. They’re ending support for old teams soon. You won’t have a choice anymore.
Not only are new teams notification banners annoying, new teams no longer makes a noise for every single notification, like it used to. I rather have a ding than a banner, especially since I tend to use all of my screen space.
azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
New notification, old notification, either way it auto-dismisses the system notification after 5 seconds. Why? I guess they don’t trust the DE to manage notifications properly??
So my colleagues know if they send me a message I’ll get to it when I’ll get to it because I probably will have missed the notification.
variants@possumpat.io 6 months ago
You can disable the banner, I disabled the banner and the dings on mine and just rely on the little red dot
Numberone@startrek.website 6 months ago
I’ve had to repeatedly switcho “new teams”. The selection isn’t sticky for some reason. It seems like it shouldn’t be that hard to develope a messaging app that does file transfers and meetings but apparently this bloated pile of horseshit proves reason wrong. A second long delay when changing threads? “You’ll use it because corporate says you will…and you’ll LOVE IT”.
Vlyn@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
I had the same issue, you’re starting the wrong app. When you start old teams you get the selection. When you start new teams (with the little turquoise new icon) you don’t get the selection. Change your shortcut :)
micka190@lemmy.world 6 months ago
My favorite part about New Teams is when it kept telling me I was forced to move from Old Teams to New Teams because our IT department was pushing the update. Cut to everyone in IT being confused as fuck because no they fucking weren’t.
Amputret@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
…& Knuckles?
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
I love the naming convention
Outlook -> Outlook (new)
Teams classic -> Teams (new)
…
viking@infosec.pub 6 months ago
And the bloody “new” tag in the task bar icon is driving me nuts.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
New Teams is about as successful as New Coke!
fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 6 months ago
Honestly it’s kind of amazing that microsoft got authentication so wrong.
My circumstance isn’t complicated, yet I seem to be relentlessly have trouble getting access to whatever thing because it’s confused about my account.
FederatedSaint@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Wait are you joking or is this real? That is a ridiculous name/version.