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...So I Finally Quit Spotify

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Submitted ⁨⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨ooli@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://oliviarafferty.substack.com/p/so-i-finally-quit-spotify

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  • ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Not going to give substack any views, so I’ll pass on this one

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    • tubbadu@lemmy.kde.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What’s wrong with it? (I never heard about it, just asking)

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      • Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        They outright won’t ban Nazi content from their website. theverge.com/…/substack-nazi-moderation-demonetiz…

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      • ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        They commodity and profit from Nazis on their platform. When called out for it, they’re response was “We don’t like Nazis either, but we won’t do anything about them and we’ll continue to take our cut from their presence on our platform”

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    • Dehydrated@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If you’re so petty about it, use archive.org or archive.is to view the page

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      • Osa-Eris-Xero512@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Fellas, is it petty to refuse to support Nazis?

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  • SquiffSquiff@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So OP has posted this everywhere, even getting it flagged on Hacker News. Article is weak sauce:

    I would agree with author that there are many problems with Spotify but concentrating on the artist revenue per stream and then publishing your top hits of the year as YouTube links? Really? Go and find out what the artist share per stream is on YouTube (regular YouTube video) for soundtracks. I’ll wait. Hint: there’s a reason that soundtracks using unauthorised copyrighted work get muted or taken down rather than revenue being redistributed.

    Recommending a paid desktop MacOS music app for local content? There are hundreds of local music players but OK… but none of the criticisms of Spotify were about the client! Foobar2000 (mentioned for mobile playback) supports Spotify streaming…

    Article seems to boil down to ‘I got tired of Spotify recommendations and I am an aspiring musician at an early stage in my professional career so I am recommending Bandcamp and soap boxing about artist revenue share’ . There’s a reason that people, some with local music libraries in the TeraByte range listen to Spotify. There’s also all the competing services - Apple Music; YouTube; Deezer; Tidal; Amazon; etc…

    Recommendation to OP: If you are trying to persuade people on something, then decide what point you want to concentrate on, consider the pro’s and cons for your position, and make your point based/reinforced on that. Don’t meander around a bunch of inchoate personal gripes and affections that don’t really relate to one another or any particular point.

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    • Kyoyeou@slrpnk.net ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Adding our Boys Qobuz to the list of competing services Paying in 2018 13 times more than Spotify And yu get to own the musics you buy on Qobuz and can put it on your NAS for example

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      • Buffaloaf@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I’ve been using Qobuz for a while now and it’s pretty good. Good sound quality, good library, all that. I used Tidal before and it has good quality too, but it didn’t have as many albums or artists that I listen too, it seems more geared towards hip hop.

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    • just_another_person@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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      • EatATaco@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I down voted because you added nothing to the discussion. It was just a completely empty criticism. On top of that, I read the article, and it’s clear to me that this poster read the article too.

        But I’m curious as to what your actual criticism is.

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      • systemglitch@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        What was the main point he missed?

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  • Endorkend@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    A while back I realized my phone has 256GB of internal storage and since I don't take pictures or put anything else on it, I was running around with 256GB of free storage wherever I went.

    And that's pretty much when it clicked for me that I was paying Spotify for access to music I already have from the pre-spotify days for a convenience that no longer is valid.

    I dove into my box of CD's and DVDs and put the 30 something gigs of music I collected since the mid 90's on my phone and haven't used spotify since.

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    • Ejh3k@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I don’t stream either. All my music, I own. No one is taking it away.

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  • camelbeard@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Unlike Disney, Netflix, etc, Spotify is the only streaming service where I never think oh this is missing let’s find a torrent.

    Music streaming (at least for the consumer) is so much better than video. Where it’s super scattered over multiple services all wanting money.

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    • PilferJynx@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I find that I can only find about 90 percent of what I want to listen to. That’s more than enough of a burden to opt out entirely. Live albums, demos, collabs, and obscure dead bands you can’t really find with great success

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      • banneryear1868@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yeah I’ve never fully switched to Spotify because of that but I do like their library and ease of use, the playlist function we use for parties a lot and it’s just easy and everyone understands it already.

        As a Phish head and purveyor of bootlegs, and sometimes specific masters of classic albums, my personal music collection has always been a sacred space.

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    • yamanii@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Maybe you don’t listen to many international songs, I always find grey songs on the playlists I like.

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      • camelbeard@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Probably most artists I listen to are European or American.

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    • 5in1k@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I frequently can’t find songs. I will say they generally are obscure though.

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  • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I agree with her arguments about Spotify overall, but this amused me-

    To celebrate my newfound freedom, I downloaded a 13-minute long Taylor Swift megamix, and CAN YOU DO THAT ON SPOTIFY? I didn’t think so. I also then went on to Bandcamp after I got paid the other day and bought some music. It felt good.

    As if Spotify somehow prevented her from doing those things anyway…

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    • Smoogs@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Don’t ya know if you have prime and Netflix you can no longer legally purchase a blue ray ever

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    • Obi@sopuli.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Obviously this is presented in the sense that being a Spotify user means you’re not pursuing other methods of music acquisition, and to be fair that’s probably the case for most people, you’re paying for a service that’s supposed to meet all your music listening needs after all. Personally I also use other means like vinyl, YouTube, and a large local collection but that’s because I’m deep into music, also as a maker of it.

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  • geophysicist@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    And in 2024, Spotify will stop paying out songs which get less than 1000 streams in a year. Which means for me, as an artist in the early stages of my career, I am going to get paid nothing. I could get over 1000 streams on all my songs in total, but still get paid nothing. I could get 999 streams on a song one year and 999 streams on it the next year… and still get paid nothing.

    As the author states in the previous paragraph, Spotify pays 0.003c per stream. I don’t think the author has done the maths. 1000 streams equals 3c. He’s complaining over not getting paid 3c as if that will fund his career

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    • clgoh@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s not 0.003¢ per steam, it’s $0.003. (Actually £0.003, per that article.)

      So 1000 streams should pay $3.

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    • tabular@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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      • EatATaco@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You (or your label who represents you) voluntarily put your music on spotify and can always pull your content if you want.

        Equating this to theft makes zero sense. And your post is universally upvoted. Wtf?

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    • friend_of_satan@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      *she

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    • Obi@sopuli.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Your 3c (or $3, whatever) might not be much but they’re saving that across thousands and thousands of small artists so for them it’s another lucrative way of skimming the profits of the actual creators for themselves.

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      • geophysicist@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        From what I read, it’s more about stopping people using auto generated songs and uploading thousands of songs

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  • Fake4000@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Spotify used to be good but now they charge you the price of buying an album outright.

    Might as well buy an album monthly and actually own it.

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    • raptir@lemdro.id ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That works if you listen to just a small number of albums, but I average about 15 unique albums per month and probably 60 per year.

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      • snowe@programming.dev ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        lol yeah I listened to over 150 new genres and thousands of artists this past year (according to Spotify wrapped), buying all those albums would be thousands of dollars if not tens of thousands.

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      • raptir@lemdro.id ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Just to add, I do buy albums but more as a way to support the artists. Tidal is for convenience.

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      • EngineerGaming@feddit.nl ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        If I was really strict about paying for all my media (which I cannot afford now), I’d buy the albums gradually anyway, starting from ones I like most.

        Also how do you discover so much?

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    • Aatube@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      £10 = the price of every single album you listen to in a month, combined?

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      • Copernican@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yup. When I was kid and teen in the the CD era, I was buying 2 or 3 CDs a month for at least 10 to 20 bucks a pop. Or I would temporarily have my parents sign up for something like the BMG record club when there was a good promo where I could get 10 albums for cheap and then cancel. Fast forward to today and I can get unlimited access to all music for cheaper than a single album per month back in 2005. I don’t know how these economics can make sense even if you factor out physical media and physical distribution.

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    • narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It was 9.99 for many years and now it’s 10.99, a ~10% increase. Not sure how a single, small price increase in years turns something from good to bad. Sure, there are many reasons to dislike Spotify, but pricing?

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  • Nougat@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    My current rules are that I'm gonna spend £10 a month on music (what I'd be paying Spotify) and try to buy directly from artists. I'll allow myself listening to stuff on Youtube so I can gauge whether or not I wanna then go ahead and buy a song or an album if I've listened to it enough times and want it in my library.

    So ... it's okay to listen to it for free on YouTube and maybe buy it directly, but not to pay a Spotify subscription and listen to it there (and also maybe buy it directly)? The whole rant about "Spotify doesn't pay musicians very much" comes off as disingenuous.

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    • habanhero@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The amazing mental gymnastics that these people go through to justify their piracy and inane behaviors.

      Musician’s pay is just the excuse of the day for them to feel okay about what they’re doing. Honestly, if you are gonna pirate then just pirate, stop pretending that it’s for a good cause or higher purpose, other than to keep your own wallets stacked.

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      • hangonasecond@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You could’ve replied to 100 comments on this thread about piracy but you replied to the one that had nothing to do with it.

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      • banneryear1868@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Probably pirated almost every artist I’ve subsequently bought from and go to shows average about once a month. Have professional musicians in the family and they work as studio musicians, composers for media, teaching, play in bands that do covers for corporate events, or as a backing band for a front person. That’s probably the majority of musicians unless you’re lucky enough to be in a band that gains any notoriety. Most bands are passion projects between musicians who have day jobs and might only play a few small gigs at local venues. So when we’re talking about piracy as if it’s the most significant thing impacting musicians, really it’s a small facet of a very difficult industry to work in.

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      • subwoofer@lemmy.gockandgum.party ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Honestly? No, while I do still pirate, I am slowly buying all the music I can buy in form of vynils records and CDs, other than digital downloads from bandacamp.

        Watching for free on YouTube is not piracy, and laughably, I’d say it is better than using Spotify that quite literally exploits artists for cents.

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    • banneryear1868@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Jack Stratton of Vulfpeck was interviewed on CNBN about the Spotify IPO and gets around to making a good point about it here, “stop whining… me.” Artists don’t have to use a label and get paid in these “pitties” from Spotify, ultimately its a bizarre consumption model.

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  • moonburster@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Last year I’ve listened to more than 6k different songs. If you’d be generous and for the math and say 12 songs an album, 9 euro per album it’s still over 5k a year. Spotify is just cheaper for me, even the high seas would cost me too much in terms of time

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    • hangonasecond@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Everyone who listens to the same downloaded 50 song playlist everytime they open Spotify premium is paying for you to use the service

      But I use it much more similar to you than those people so I am also winning lol.

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      • DontAskAboutUpdog@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Not to mention that if everybody listened like thak guy spotify would just increase prices.

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      • Poutinetown@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I spent >100$ on concert tickets to listen to artists I found on Spotify. Probably would not have spent this money nor discovered those artists by listening to 50 songs downloaded 10 years ago from Limewire.

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    • CrowAirbrush@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I listened to 6k songs, just because spotify has them.

      Do i need it? Absolutely not.

      I cancelled when they increased the price and i went back to buying an album for life from the discount bin and putting it on repeat with the other 20 albums i still owned.

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      • moonburster@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Back when I had an ipod I spent days downloading songs. I don’t think my listening habits changed all that much, now I just don’t download them via “legitimate” routes anymore

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    • banneryear1868@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I find it most useful as a radio replacement for this reason, you can’t find a service with more quantity. Personal music collection is still my main source though.

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  • alienanimals@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Spotify has always been a pain in the ass. For the longest time you couldn’t listen to a single song someone shared because they forced you to create an account.

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    • Squizzy@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I don’t know why I feel like this is okay for Spotify to do but not YouTube.

      My thinking is clearly flawed

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      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yup, either require an account to use the service, or don’t. Don’t do some weird middleground. It totally makes sense for saving playlists or whatever.

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    • stackPeek@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Companies that force you to create an account to do the simplest action are assholes.

      OOT but Instagram does this and IT SUCKS

      Worse, they don’t even show you properly like “Sign In to visit this account”, they just says the error message “Please try again”. I thought there was something wrong with my Firefox or adblockers… But, nope it’s like that in other browsers IIRC

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  • Daxtron2@startrek.website ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Hey all, I’d like to distance myself from Spotify, but I really enjoy their discovery features. I’ve learned about a lot of bands both new and old that I wouldn’t have otherwise. Do you have any suggestions for a service that could replace this aspect of it?

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    • goldisgood4u@lemmings.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’ve used Spotify, Apple music, YT music and nothing beats SoundCloud stations for discovering new music based on a song.

      and their “More of What you Like” playlists are just stations based on your recently most played songs and they just don’t miss.

      for someone like me that has songs from a lot of different genres in my regular rotation of 10-15 songs every month or so, it’s perfect for discovering music.

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    • TheRealKuni@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Not that it’s any better in terms of ethics or artist pay, but YouTube Music has relatively decent auto playlist generation with settings for discovery. Plus you get ad-free YouTube without having to use piped or vanced or whatever people are using these days.

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      • Rootiest@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yeah I know it’s not a popular position these days but I have been a Google Music subscriber since the early days and YT Music doesn’t disappoint when it comes to finding what you’re looking for and not having to worry about fighting Google on ad-blockers with YT is a convenient add-on.

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    • jjjalljs@ttrpg.network ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Bandcamp is pretty good. They do writeups that I think are written by real people. When you look at a band you like, it tells you about stuff other people who like them have. I’ve found a lot of stuff there.

      It is more about buying music than renting it, however. Most albums it will ask you to buy after a certain number of plays. I think the band can configure those details

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      • empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Bandcamp was bought out by Epic Games, fired half of it’s staff, and is now owned by some private corporate music licensing company. I wouldn’t recommend supporting them anymore.

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    • nyctre@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I find last.fm’s “similar artists” feature more accurate that Spotify’s. But that’s just for finding new stuff and tracking your history. Not really for actually playing the music. I linked it to Spotify and use them both together

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      • reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        There’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time, used to love last.fm and pandora etc

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    • Jarix@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If you like modern rock, theres a free app (no ads or any bullshit either) or listen via website. Former radio DJ quit the industry and started his own online station. Im definately biased here as i used to listen to him all the time when i would drive all day long, but as its literally free and not supported by ads.

      No account needed also

      Anyways if you like modern rock whatwasthatradio.com

      It is dedicated to only playing new music

      He didnt like all the amazing music that exists to continue to go completely unnoticed by commercial radio so hes doing it himself

      Hes supported by subscribers on patreon etc

      If i remember correctly all songs are 36 months or newer

      This is a proper SOCAN licensed service (canadian broadcasting license I think) so hes doing it proper.

      www.whatwasthatradio.com

      I personally have found at least a dozen new artists to listen to because of this free service

      heres some of the bands he has done interviews with to give you an idea.

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    • BigBrainBrett2517@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Search your favourite artists. Wiki them etc. and learn about them whilst simultaneously finding where they’re members play in other bands or have other projects. Also, it can illuminate what they’re influences were/are and you can listen to that too. I find a shit-tone of new music this way.

      Deezer. Interface/UX is a little jank but it’s private and discovery is good.

      Radio Paradiso. Berlin based radio. Weird and wonderful.

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    • locuester@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      How about FM radio waves?

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      • ShepherdPie@midwest.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        So you can hear the same 5 songs on repeat interspersed with tons of commercials?

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      • abbotsbury@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Radio fucking sucks, amigo. Literally the most homogeneous playlists ever unless you are close enough to a college radio station or a major city that can support anything other than top 40 or the same 100 classic rock songs.

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      • Daxtron2@startrek.website ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Ah yeah I love hearing the same 30 songs over and over again with 60% ads, great idea

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      • criticon@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I discover more ads than music that way

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  • Aatube@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Ugh, spotify soot again?

    At least according to spotify (it would probably be illegal for them to lie anyways), Spotify pays almost 70% of revenue to rights-holders (whoever distributes the thing, e.g. record labels), which means they take about the same cut as Steam. Good luck complaining about that.

    You often see people citing the $.003 per stream for rights-holders figure for Spotify. That's not exactly what Spotify decides! Spotify pays rights-holders share of the 70% of the revenue based on how much they were streamed. TL;DR: Spotify pays rights-holders slices of pie based on how much their artists help bake. So, if artists aren't getting payed enough, Spotify simply isn't getting enough revenue despite reinventing radio for its free tier!

    (On a side note: I hate Tidal free, because it "doesn't" have ads! Every single interruption I've encountered so far is the generic Tidal announcer telling me to subscribe to premium. Sometimes I even get a freaking video ad on cellular data telling me the same thing, and there are only 4 ads in today! There's no variety! It's just repeating! Aaaaaaaaa (dw just yelling me name

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  • scripthook@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I just quit Spotify too and went back to mp3s I’ve downloaded with Limewire. I got sick of playlists, messy UI, etc. I also got tired of people talking about their top music of the year. I honestly don’t care what you listened to the most.

    I also am not guilty not giving artists the .0003 per play every time I play a son. Less guilty than the $1 per song in the 2010s or $20 per album in the 2000s…

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  • zanyllama52@infosec.pub ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    To enlighten our android-using brothers and sisters… xmanager.app is a good way to enjoy spotify if you insist on using it.

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  • kawa@reddeet.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I switched to Tidal from Spotify because as secure my password is, I would always be intereupted mid-listening by my app putting on a shitty random music (often RAP) and discovered that there was an underground operation of people using pirated accounts to inflate stream numbers to get into the popular playlists. And with Tidal I can use Tidal-DL to download flacs to my Navidrome server which is cool.

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  • Hammerheart@programming.dev ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I never got into Spotify. Soulseek is all I need.

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  • jafo@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Last weekend I used github.com/linsomniac/spotify_to_ytmusic to copy my Spotify playlists over to YouTube Music, and the shuffle play is SOOO much nicer there! That was my primary gripe with Spotify, the shuffle play is idiotic

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  • douglasg14b@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    How do you deal with discovery?

    That’s the hard part for me, the only way I find new music is by it ending up on a continuous playlist or something similar.

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  • yuriy@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I use the “Lite” version of spotify that isn’t strictly available for download in the states. It still has real shuffle and isn’t as bogged down with bloat features. Literally the only downside is no sleep timer.

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  • deczzz@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Muaicbee+poweramp with 600gb music for 15 years now. Love it.

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  • terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I only used Spotify for podcasts when I used to be on the road all the time. For music, I’ve had a free Pandora account for years now. Does what I need it too. And with wireguard+pihole I don’t get ads either.

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  • CriticalMiss@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I quit Spotify the other day too. I pay for tidal nowadays. I don’t like running widevine on my machine so I rip flacs with tidal-dl. Honestly, great stuff. Would recommend.

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  • TK420@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    My plex server chuckles….

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  • Netrunner@programming.dev ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Since Spotify serves lossy audio files still…I don’t care about them.

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  • LWD@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Better link

    web.archive.org/web/…/so-i-finally-quit-spotify

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