Millennials: It's ok to mourn the death of social media

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• BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’m just excited the internet is in part going back to its non corporate backed roots with Lemmy mastodon and the like. The internet started that way, and thanks to the enshitification it will hopefully slowly revert back to it

  The idea that corporations were involved in social media was insane looking back. The results were exactly what one would have anticipated

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  • VaultBoyNewVegas@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I remember when I first started using Reddit and there was so much weird and crazy shit that it really did feel like there was a sub for everything. Now it’s so sanitised that it’s nowhere near as diverse in its content and subs, hopefully Lemmy/fediverse can have as many different instances as old Reddit and the active community too.

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    • Corgana@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      What I don’t understand is who is moderating the big subs and why? When r/funny, r/holup, r/publicfreakout, r/damnthatsinsteresting (and I’m sure many others) are all basically the same memes and short videos, what kind of “community” is that? What kind of person signs up to clear the spam out of what is essentially 9gag 2.0 for free?

      There are many smaller communities that would probably be happy to move to the Fedi if it were easier and bigger, and I hope Lemmy evolves to the point where those can be absorbed. Reddit can keep the endless meme scrolls.

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    • pete_the_cat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      BreadStapledToTrees had me so confused the first time I found it. It still confuses me. Even though I have only been active on Reddit for the past 5 years, even I saw a massive change in it.

      When I first found GoneWild and the like I was like “Mother of God, this is amazing…” and now 85% of the porn subs are just OF advertisements.

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    • Wahots@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This, every time I see a post in the frontpage here where someone has taken a picture of a pear stuffed up their ass (etc etc), I breathe a sigh of relief knowing no advertisers or asshole CEOs are ruining this place. Feels like the old days of the internet, roughly. Sure it’s small, but it feels real, not sterile and clean for advertisers and shareholders.

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    • Renacles@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I use old reddit from time to time to check specific subs and it’s wild seeing how boring they’ve gotten.

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  • darreninthenet@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Do we have a Fediverse equivalent of Facebook yet…?

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    • noodlejetski@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      yes, Friendica has been around for longer than Mastodon has.

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    • TORFdot0@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Mastodon has rich media features and such that it could be considered a replacement for modern Facebook.

      Now for the legacy Facebook that was more focused on the Facebook wall, homepages, and etc. There really isn’t a replacement but nobody can use Facebook for that now.

      As for a replacement for Facebook groups, kbin or Lemmy can do it. Kbin does both the microblogging/status updates and communities.

      Someone else mentioned frendica. But I don’t have any experience with that.

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    • schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Facebook does a lot of things. Depends on what exactly you’re looking for. Facebook allows you to follow friends and organizations (= Mastodon), it also allows you to participate in groups (= Lemmy), and then it has a few other features too.

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  • sucricdrawkcab@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Bluesky now has a federated server and moving people over. I’m curious how that’s going to play out.

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    • Corgana@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Bluesky is not really decentralized like Mastodon. It’s more like crypto where the bigger you are the more influence you have over the network. There is zero incentive for someone to host a server off of .social since it does nothing besides provide Jack Dorsey and co with a little free hosting.

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    • ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’m hopeful that long term, AtProto and ActivityPub end up merged into one future standard. But even if they end up separate, it’s not the end of the world since they’re both open and bridges already exist.

      It’s kind of like Atom and RSS. Soon, users won’t have to care or know the difference and eventually, code libraries will make it so even developers don’t have to know the details.

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  • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    the internet is in part going back to its non corporate backed roots with Lemmy mastodon and the like.

    I’m very small part.

    and thanks to the enshitification it will hopefully slowly revert back to it

    Twitter has proven that they won’t. Reddit has proven that they won’t. They’ve both proven that you can shit all over your own users, give them nothing in return, and they’ll complain for a few days but never leave in any significant numbers. Meta has proven that these shitty corporations can start up wholly new operation (Threads) and the masses will flock to it by the tens of millions.

    People have demonstrated over and over that, by and large, they will let these corporations piss on their heads and tell them it’s raining and that they will do absolutely nothing about it.

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• grue@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  If by “mourn” you mean “tap-dance on its fucking grave,” then sure!

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  • pete_the_cat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I just moved to Miami and don’t know where to meet groups of like-minded people. There is nothing on MeetUp, but there are groups on Facebook. I hate that I had to sign into that garbage fire for the first time in years. My whole feed is filled with “suggested posts” of people I don’t know nor things I give a shit about.

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    • HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I mean, you did move to Miami… why are you expecting sophistication?

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    • Meowoem@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah, the other day I had to wade past fucking stacks of junk that doesn’t apply to or interest me, there was a whole wall of stuff that makes no sense at all for me, adverts for services I’ll never use and even study areas that I’m not ever going to need because I’m not at school! Fuck libraries we should burn them all down, how dare they don’t serve and cater to me and me alone!

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  • Fish@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I mean, I’ve been rooting for the demise of social media for nearly 20 years. I don’t know why I’d be mourning.

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• Botzo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  FTFY: ~mourn~ celebrate

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  • Kyle_The_G@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I only mourne reddit, that website was a lifestyle back in the day. Thats why i’m here lol. God I miss the good oll’ days.

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    • Thwompthwomp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah, it is a bit strange. That was a central hub of where I got news, jokes, stayed connected with internet culture. That’s mostly gone now. So many things feel splintered anymore. I’m old so I don’t keep up with the latest games, but that feels all over the place—too many games, too many communities. Streaming/TV stuff—very few people I know watch the same things I do, and I miss the joy of watching something new and then talking about it the next day moments. Worse now is that most people can’t even access the same content since there are too many services. Music is strange now too. Partly, I’m just not connected to pop culture, but also everyone is listening to VERY different stuff (referring to college-age folks—most other millennials I know just listen to NPR, podcasts and 90s mixes). There doesn’t seem to be any monolithic music culture at all anymore. Everyone has super customized spotify playlists. I know a big part is just millennial aging, but also reddit kept me connected to broader things, and now its just like everything else and enshittified and disappearing. sigh … get off my lawn I guess :(

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    • Tat@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      fuck reddit, shell of its former self

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  • DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Looks like a small formatting issue:
    ~~strike through~~ = strike through
    ~subscript~ = ~subscript~

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    • can@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Guess Sync disent support subscript

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    • computergeek125@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Voyager shows those both as subscript

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    • MrOxiMoron@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Boost show the strikethrough, not the subscript

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  • DaCookeyMonsta@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Idk. I feel mentally healthier off social media. But its been around since I was in high school and I have no idea how to socialize with people outside my immediate circle now. My social muscles have atrophied.

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• spyd3r@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  As someone who was on the internet before social media existed, please let it die in a fire.

  Everything now is curated and cultivated by corporations and political entities to weed out any “unacceptable” discourse and content that doesn’t support a particular agenda or narrative.

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  • Adalast@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    100% agree. I was learning networking and internet coding back when Javascript was new, web 2.0 was going to revolutionize our lives, and Macromedia was releasing a little animation software called Flash. As an elder Millenial I can confidently say that the death of social media would be the absolute best thing that could happen for our society as a whole. The society was not mature enough for it, still aren’t. Maybe next time it is invented we will be ready and someone will remember to keep the damn corporations out of it.

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  • BeautifulMind@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    TBH I’m right there with you when it comes to wishing corporate social media a fiery demise.

    And yet, I’m happily using decentralized/non-profit social media that I’d very much like to see flourish. The thing I don’t like about social media today is that it’s billionaires selling personal info to people that want to direct advertising or propaganda to intellectually defenseless people, I really think democracy can’t withstand the firehose of bullshit that now empowers bad actors to lie at scale that used to require traditional media or state resources.

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  • HessiaNerd@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Were BBSs social media?

    They were decentralized. If not federated, definitely connected in many aspects.

    I was thinking of standing up an instance of this

    enigma-bbs.github.io

    Just for friends and family

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    • Cethin@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      In of the opinion the term social media needs to be broken into two groups. Ones where you’re yourself by name and one’s where you’re an online handle. The “personal” social media are all garbage, but there’s some alright “unpersonal” social media, like Lemmy for example. BBSs would mostly be the later, but probably would be social media if the term existed when they were popular

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• captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I don’t mourn “social media.” I mourn what we had before they started using that phrase.

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  • pete_the_cat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Facebook was actually awesome back in the late 2000s. I had an account when it was just 4 year universities, that was it’s hey day.

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  • Meowoem@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You mean traditional media owned and controlled by people like Murdoch? Or rumors and innuendo spread by word of mouth in pubs?

    I know you were le born in le wrong generation like every other hipster complainer on the planet but you’d have hated wherever was popular at any time in history because it’s not about finding a balanced and sensible view it’s about hating whatever is popular.

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    • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Also no. I meant the forums, chat rooms and instant messengers we had right before Facebook and Twitter ruined it all.

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    • Flambo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Hey, I’m fully on board with your defense of social media, but I think in this case the commenter is just saying “i miss the social media we had before they started calling it ‘social media’”. Even 2004 facebook fits this description, and I’m inclined to agree. I miss social media when it felt more like IRC and craigslist, when facebook was a glorified personal guestbook, etc.

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• TORFdot0@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Mourning? More like dancing on its grave. With the fediverse being everything social media 1.0 was and more, there is no need for the legacy platforms. I just hope that the fediverse can get some more traction with folks outside tech circles and we can normalize cooperation and free social platforms as in free speech not as in free beer.

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• naticus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It’s also all right to laugh maniacally as it all burns down.

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  • kent_eh@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That was my thought.

    I don’t mourn it’s death, I celebrate it.

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    • Meowoem@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Why though? Did you love it when only the rich could affect popular sentiment?

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• oDDmON@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Once advertising got involved, it was all downhill from there.

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• Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Social Media is cancer. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

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  • FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Social Media is cancer posted on social media

    Modern society in a nutshell

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    • cactusupyourbutt@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      you can be part of a system while not endorsing it or critiquing it

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    • samus12345@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Image

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  • scratchee@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You typed that into social media and posted it, just fyi.

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    • root_beer@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • ParsnipWitch@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So you are willfully participating in spreading cancer? Because Lemmy is social media.

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  • Meowoem@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Such a simplistic and frankly dumb take, have you really thought about what you’ve said at all?

    Regularl people shouldn’t have a voice, all media should be run and distributed by an authority of some kind? If you’re not rich enough to own a newspaper company then you don’t get to express yourself? Only the likes of Rupert Murdoch should be allowed to set trends and influence people?

    Or did you just mean ‘some women are popular on social media for doing things that don’t interest me and therefore influencers and all of social media is evil and I hate it’ because that’s what it always seems to boil down to with kneejerk anti haters.

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    • Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You seem to think that social media is about giving people a voice. It isn’t. Most social media is set up either to harvest users personal data to sell for profit or to sell products to and push ideas on users. In most cases, both. It has become the primary method of distributing propaganda and influencing public opinion generally.

      Cancer

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• Sygheil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Nah, forums are more organic old school is cool.

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  • ParsnipWitch@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Forums are social media as well, though. They just have different features.

    “Social media” are all websites and applications which allow sharing of content between users.

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    • AdmiralShat@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I miss forums. Even on technical forums for a software, there was usually an off topic or random section to hang out in

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    • uis@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      If you think about it, atmosphere is social media too

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• j4k3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  “Social media is like a public toilet; anyone is free to use it, no one should drink from it.” -Llama2 70B by Meta

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• alonely0@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Gen Z, I mourned Reddit for 30 seconds. Now I’m here.

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• Cowbee@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The worst is the ever-shortening of content into an addictive format. It reduces mental clarity.

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  • RichCaffeineFlavor@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Anxiety and depression reduce mental clarity. And people tend towards shorter forms of content when they’re trying to distract themselves. The egg came before the chicken.

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• hperrin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I feel like it should read, “Millenials, remember to drink water in between your champagne glasses while you’re toasting to the death of social media.”

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• Reygle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I for one celebrate the inevitable crash/death of all this social media. It’s turned normal people into unacceptable drooling trash. That is if you’re able to ignore the data collection and use of it, in which case it turned the whole internet into a dumpster fire as well.

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  • s_s@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s turned normal people into unacceptable drooling trash.

    They always were. Social media just gave them a platform to you.

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    • Reygle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It also gave those trash people the feeling of “look I’m not alone” and amplified all of it. At least before people were worried about being seen as a fuckwit.

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• fne8w2ah@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Especially fuck meta and xitter.

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  • HERRAX@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Worst part is that they actually started out kind of great, and killed all alternatives. Then they became progressively worse because of their predatory algorithms and whatnot, and now it’s borderline impossible to get friends and family to switch to an alternative like mastodon or pixelfed…

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    • fne8w2ah@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      From those annoying af fb “games” to those goddamn algorithms.

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  • Sparlock@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    How do you pronounce xitter?

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    • root_beer@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Think of how the name of current CCP General Secretary Xi is pronounced.

      “Shitter”. It’s “Shitter”.

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• Number1SummerJam@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The thing that threw me off Facebook was the 2016 election and the Cambridge Analytica scandal, even though I ran a popular meme page. I thought I found a sanctuary on Reddit, but looking back everything major on it was shilled to advertise or sow political discord. I thought Google Plus had a lot of potential, but nobody I knew would join and y’know, Google’s privacy record.

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  • realitista@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    By the time Google+ rolled around, it had become clear that any social media owned by a big tech giant would suck after a while, and anything experimental released by Google would be killed after a while, so why invest in it?

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  • HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Obligatory Google+ throwback

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    • ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Thanks for that - I hadn’t seen it before! (My 1 in 10,000 day!)

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• rustyriffs@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It’s not over though, it’s really just beginning again.

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  • Corgana@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Something tells me the editorial staff at Buisness Insider might have a harder time than most visualizing an online social landscape built around being, y’know, social, and not for profit.

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    • rustyriffs@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Ah, now I’m tracking. I really should’ve paid more attention to the source.

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• metaphortune@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I grew up on forums / IRC / IMs, later transitioned to Myspace, then Twitter / Facebook / Tumblr / Instagram. I had a lot of fun over the years, it definitely saddens me that I can’t get the things I liked about those experiences back.

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  • cogman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Check out the forums again, they are still around in a lot of cases and sometimes more active than what you’ll find on reddit.

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  • EngineerGaming@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I only discovered IRC a year ago, and now pretty much all my social life is there) With just a bit also existing in XMPP MUCs)

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• Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Imagine mourning the death of social media.

  I mourn its creation.

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• Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  As long as humans are social creatures, and the Internet connects us, there will be social media in some form or another.

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• csolisr@communities.azkware.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  On one hand, it’s a bit sad to see the average person not know about the Fediverse and claim “welp, there’s nowhere else to go, it’s either staying on the same ten junkyards I know or quitting cold-turkey”. On the other hand, the relative obscurity kind of comes from the fact that there’s no single main instance of the Fediverse. Sure there’s things like Mastodon.Social, Lemmy.ML and Misskey.GG that concentrate most users of their niche, but by nature, there is not (and should not be) a centralized place where everybody is, that can be used as the poster child for the Fediverse.

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• Luisp@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  More like piss over the grave

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• 21Cabbage@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’m not mourning, I’ve just done what I’ve done every few years for at least a decade now and just found a new fucking home. Plus, I think this and mastodon will be my home for awhile now since the decentralized nature of it makes it really easy to avoid the bullshit that brought me here.

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• hedgehogging_the_bed@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Is this their first platform death? Common Wired!

  Millennials have been losing platforms on the Internet for pretty much the whole history of the Internet. Just a handful of “social media” type services that have risen and fallen in my years of the internet: AOL Instant Message, ICQ, IRC, Usenet, LiveJournal, MySpace, on and on.

  Most of these aren’t even properly “dead”, many I just.mentioned still have big user groups too. They just lost a critical user share when folks moved on.

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• helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Bots and spam have ruined social media for me. I wish there was a private social media.

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• Mrkawfee@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Hopefully it’s just the death of surveillance and fake news infested social media with censors ensuring you don’t deviate from the Overton window.

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• heygooberman@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Actually, I think I’m kinda okay with the “death” of social media. I mean, I’m already on this platform a lot, so…I guess I’m not missing much?

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• woshang@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Censorship and Centralized manner killed all the goodness.

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• autotldr@lemmings.world [bot] ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This is the best summary I could come up with:

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  In Wired, Jason Parham writes about how first-gen social media users have nowhere to go.

  Indeed, millennials have soured on the big social platforms: Facebook, Twitter, and even Instagram feel dead.

  There’s a lot of ways to feel about this: maybe relief, maybe anger at the companies who messed things up.

  But Parham made me feel something different: sad.

  He points out that “first-gen” users (like me) were part of a “golden age of connectivity,” and for those years, it really was exciting.

  I’m sad that golden age is over, and I’m not sure we’ll ever experience anything like it again.

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