Windows 12 May Require a Subscription

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• YeetPics@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Bahahaha okay. Linux here we come!

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  • ahriboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Steam Deck demand might not be met next few years.

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    • YeetPics@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      How do you mean? I’m talking desktop environment Linux distros. I do want a steam deck tho🫡

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• IronpigsWizard@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I have ran GNU/Linux since the early 1990s. Practically since it first existed. Distributions like MuLinux, Yellowdog Linux, Slackware, Debian, etc. This generally has lead to multiple difficulties. Sometimes I had to dual boot to get around said difficulties. Around 2010, I got good enough with WINE, software work arounds and alternatives that I didn’t need to dual boot anymore. I did like to play various games still back then, but around 2010 Valve’s GNU/Linux support was improving (unless my memory deceives me)

  This post has made me feel that for the first time, all that struggle was worth it, heh.

  On a side note, there’s some sort of dark irony with personal ownership dying under capitalism. I feel like the majority of us hate all these subscriptions models, but we keep playing along .vs. becoming cave hermits.

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  • OldQWERTYbastard@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Cave hermit here and I was delighted the first time I launched Quake 3 Arena on a linux distro. I’m wading deeper into the linux pool since Microsoft has lost their mind. Ads have no place in an operating system.

    Gaming has tied me to Windows for decades, but thanks to companies like Valve and System 76 the long awaited shift may continue accelerating.

    I’m glad to be here to see it.

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    • bob_wiley@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      We used to have a lot idle PCs at work back in the day. I brought in a bunch of live CDs with some Linux distro that had a bunch of games on it (Quake, UT I think, and 4 or 5 others). We’d fire them up and have a lan party in the office, fragging each other for hours… all powered by Linux and leaving no trace. It was great.

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    • IronpigsWizard@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      My System 76 laptop I bought a few years back is still alive and well. Ubuntu MATE or Manjaro I typically run now. Sometimes it makes me feel like a sellout running those distros. I know that’s a goofy thought. Is underdog syndome a thing? Ha.

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  • anarchy79@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yeah there is a lot that was promised with capitalism that turned out to be not so.

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    • jhulten@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Turns out we weren’t the Capitalists.

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  • 1984@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I felt it was worth it from day one. Had so much fun over the years with it too.

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• shectabeni@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Generally curious how many people that have clung to Windows largely due to gaming have made the switch or plan to make the switch now that Valve has done such great work with Proton. I know I am certainly considering it and this is the kind of thing that will expedite that.

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  • TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Bigger thing for me is the Adobe shit. Those fuckers have monopolized creativity tools, and I haven’t heard of good alternatives for Linux.

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    • kjetil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Assuming you’ve tried Gimp, Krita, Inkscape, Blender, Darktable, what your deal-breakers for these open source tool? Any particular missing features?

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  • Longmactoppedup@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’ve tried a few times in the past but always come crawling back to windows for gaming.

    Last time it was terrible performance in TF2 that did it, this was after battling against fstab, drivers for my sound card and GPU. Oh and USB drives also refused to work.

    Next PC build I’ll give dual booting another shot. Will certainly try to get hardware that others have reported as working.

    I still run Ubuntu with Kodi on my HTPC and that’s usually good.

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  • Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Fortnite and Valorant don’t work on Linux.

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• erik1984@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I am not convinced this will make people switch to Linux btw. That has been said about every new Windows edition.

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  • crashoverride@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    For people to do that they need a seamless way to transfer from Windows to Linux. Come all the files and programs and such, that doesn’t happen. It won’t happen

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    • BearOfaTime@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yep.

      My killer app (or Achilles Heel) is OneNote. I need a real competitor on Linux before I can switch.

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    • DV8@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      While I don’t think this in particular would cause people or businesses to switch away from Windows, more and more applications work from browsers so they depend less and less on apps you can install. ( Where I work we already put many people on M365 basic because they do just fine with accessing their mail and spreadsheets from the browser. No point in paying extra for options they’ll never need)

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• popemichael@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  After seeing what the Steam Deck does with Windows emulation for games, my interset in having a windows gaming computer is barely hanging on.

  This would 100% influence my next gaming computer to shy away from Windows 12

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  • Sethayy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Wine Is Not an Emulator (WINE)

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    • theangryseal@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Every time I read this I have an eternal mirror panic attack.

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  • MyCodeZero@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Just try fedora, you wont be able to go back

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• ObsidianZed@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Looks like the push I’ll need to finally move all my gaming over to a Linux box.

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  • Amends1782@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Highly recommended pop_os its made gaming easy

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  • altasshet@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Been using Ubuntu for gaming for 99% of the time for half a year now. Basically no issues, most of my steam library works out of the box with proton. It’s very doable now, no need to wait.

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  • boatswain@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Mint was always my go to; feels just enough like the best parts of Windows to be immediately comfortable. Didn’t have any problems until I switched to bleeding edge hardware; since then, I’ve been on Garuda, which had also been fine but more fiddly.

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• SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  A subscription really would push me to linux. I already prefer it at work anyway.

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• BlueN1te@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Fuck that noise

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• atrielienz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I don’t even want windows 11. What makes them think I’m gonna actively buy and pay a subscription for Windows 12. Linux exists and I will absolutely buy a computer, wipe it and put a Linux distro on it. Microsoft is way too invested in this subscription nonsense.

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• Tygr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Hmm, I’ll be running Windows 10 after EOL then. I won’t pay for Adobe subscriptions, I won’t pay for ANY monthly subscriptions. I will license lifetime software with 1 year of updates but that software works after the update phase has passed.

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• Irkam@jlai.lu ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  That feel when you just moved to Linux and you still enjoy Halo and Forza.

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  • arin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Gaben literal god tier status

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• GaimDS@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  "Windows 12 is now included with game pass ultimate "

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  • krakenx@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If they launch a subscription that includes ad-free Win12, Office, OneDrive and GamePass for like $20 a month, a lot of people would actually be happy about the change. Especially if the base version of Win12 was free with ads.

    Then once people are happy with how good the deal is, they start raising the price and removing things that were once included.

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    • GaimDS@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Its the classic slow boiling frog, slowly raise up the temps until its fully cooked

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    • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      *200$

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  • Supervisor194@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I am on Game Pass Ultimate right now because I got a free trial month to play Starfield which frankly, I find bland. I have 18 days left on it, after which I intend to cancel the subscription and wipe Windows out of my life forever.

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    • Prox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Spend your remaining 18 days playing Lies of P instead. Or TMNT Shredders Revenge. Or Arcade Paradise. Or Exoprimal if you wanna get wild.

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• comedy@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  What will be the Windows equivalent to "drink verification can?"

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• Pika@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’m only on windows because it’s easier for my setup and game support. The second that becomes costly or annoying is when I nuke my C drive and reinstall Mint. I used to use it as my daily before I started gaming heavily, I can easily go back.

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• Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I mean, how the hell wouldn’t it? What’s more surprising to me is that they didn’t do this with 11. Everyone is totally used to this model at this point and while we all hate it, it’s become the accepted way of living for most tech products now. If you are a big corporation and can get away with making customers rent your product instead of buy it, you are going to make so much more money. Of course they will choose this.

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  • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They need to bring ads in at 11

    Then use 12 for ad-free subscription

    Then both sides are justified by virtue of the other existing

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    • Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This guy corporates.

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  • brihuang95@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    What’s laughable is how quickly they’re abandoning Windows 11

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    • bassomitron@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Eh? 11 has been out for what, 2-3 years now? And it’ll likely be supporter for another 5-8, easily. This article is talking about a beta version of 12, which means it’ll likely be another 2 years before public release. Most enterprise settings won’t even bother with 12 until at least a couple years after it’s launched.

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  • LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There’s a limit to how willing consumers are to continue adding new subscriptions. We’re seeing this happen right now in the car industry. Subscription is only a proven model in content delivery systems, and even those are slowly starting to fail. I think that the average consumer would be very resistant to pay monthly for an operating system. Most people barely even understand what an operating system is. There’s no way places like the EU will allow this either.

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    • Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      What are they going to do? Learn Linux?!? /LAUGHS in a big board room. Laughter is echoed by middle aged white men in room.

      They will pay.

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• bemenaker@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  And Windows 12 will become business use only.

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• b0gl@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’ve started to transition into linux to prepare for the future. It’s been good so far.

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  • Zozano@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Transitioned 3 years ago. I dual boot for one reason:

    Games with anti-cheat.

    Once devs start treating us penguins like people I can delete some partitions.

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  • unknown@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Have not used windows on my personal computer and laptop for 3 years now. I still game, proton is awesome.

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    • littlecolt@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      5 months now since I installed Pop on my desktop, keeping windows 11 as a dual boot. I have booted into Windows 2 times since then. I feel no need to. I’m trying to help other friends transition as well.

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• general_storm@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  autokms is gonna get a lot more popular if microsoft do this

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• coffee_poops@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This has already been debunked.

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• Raptor_007@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’m just so sick of it. God I miss the early 2000s era of just about everything.

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• WhyFlip@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Sign me up! I need yet another monthly subscription!

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• penquin@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Guess it’s time for templeOS then?

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• Kodemystic@lemmy.kodemystic.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This is good news for everyone.

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  • atyaz@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This coupled with a few years of proton becoming very usable is an interesting mix.

    Is this the year?

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    • Kodemystic@lemmy.kodemystic.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      let us pray together

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• iMastari@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I have been using computers since before there was an internet. I have used DOS and now Windows 10. Is there a good place to learn about Linux with a GUI and which one I should purchase? I’m so tired of M$.

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  • Progat@zerobytes.monster ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I would recommend linux mint. Its completely free, has a nice gui, and is fairly straight forward to use. All you need to do is download the iso file from their website. If you want to try using it you can put it in a virtual machine to try it out first and then if you want to actually use it just download a program called rufus to flash the iso file onto a flash drive and then boot from the flash drive. There are plenty of tutorials on how to do this on youtube.

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    • PeterPoopshit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Linux mint does seem to be the best Debian based distro. Ubuntu is bad and Debian cares more about open source drivers than hardware compatibility which isn’t what the average user wants to fuck with.

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    • 0ddysseus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah seconded on Mint. Works really well, is very stable (way more than windows), has a lot of out of the box configuration and tools in the GUI. Connectivity (printers, wifi, network shares) and security are both excellent and intuitive. I use it 10 hours a day 5 days a week and its glorious

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  • Defaced@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    As others have said, Mint or Pop_OS are your best options. It really depends on what you want in terms of layout. Do you want a more apple mac osx look or a Windows look, if you want Mac then pop, if you want Windows then mint. They’re both based on the same OS, Ubuntu, and in Mint’s case there’s a Debian edition. None of these have a price, they’re free, you have nothing to lose trying them out.

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    • iMastari@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Thanks. As a gamer, I am primarily looking for an OS that will run games without a hitch. To be honest this is what has kept me from switching previously.

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  • Eccitaze@yiffit.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Linux is pretty much universally free, with the exception of a few select distributions like Red Hat Enterprise Linux (and even then, there’s variants of RHEL that are free like CentOS and Fedora, the main attraction for RHEL is paid support).

    Most distributions are fairly similar, these days, with the main differences being the desktop environment (i.e. how the UI looks and feels), the update cadence (some distros are much more aggressive about deploying updates to the software and utilities underlying the distro, which gives new features faster at the cost of breaking things more often, while other distros prefer to stay on older, known-stable versions longer, at the cost of being slower to deploy new features that sometimes a program needs to run), and the methods used to configure settings (some distros go out of their way to make as much configureable in the GUI as possible, while others are primarily configured through console commands, and others like Gentoo expect you to manually compile pretty much all the software yourself–this makes it extremely customizable, but extremely difficult), and the default file format for package installation (rpm, deb, flatpaks, snaps, etc).

    My personal recommendation is to check out a few of these:

    • Ubuntu

    • Linux Mint (or Cinnamon)

    • EndeavorOS

    • Pop!OS

    I also recommend that when you first format the disk, you make two partitions: one smaller 50-100 GB partition for the root partition (where Linux stores its system files and software), and a larger partition for /home, which is where all your personal files are stored. This way, you can easily swap between different distros without needing to really worry about losing your files.

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  • spittingimage@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I third Linux Mint. Everything you need is in the same place as you’d find it on Windows. Everything simply works out of the box. It’s a very smooth transition. If you dual-boot you don’t even need to get rid of Windows before you’re comfortable. (I keep Windows available for games.)

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  • dome@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Youtube. There are a lot of content creators in the Linux realm.

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  • floofloof@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You don’t need to purchase Linux. If your computer can run virtual machines (e.g. via VirtualBox) you could just download various distros and try them out.

    Personally, for a beginner-friendly Linux with plenty of community support I’d recommend Linux Mint.

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  • doofusmagoo@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Hi there! I’m you. My first computer was a TRS-80 in the early 80s, and my daily driver today is Debian (a flavor of Linux). I’m not an IT person, but I’ve had some skin in the game for a while.

    You won’t need to purchase a thing unless you have some weird/old hardware where drivers will be a challenge.

    There are a million flavors (“distros”) of Linux. The most straightforward ones to start with are probably Ubuntu and Mint.

    Most Linux distros have a “live CD” version that you can “install” on a thumb drive. That allows you to take the entire OS for a test spin without changing anything on your “main” computer.

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    • iMastari@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      ou won’t need to purchase a thing unless you have some weird/old hardware where drivers will be a challenge.

      There are a million flavors (“distros”) of Linux. The most straightforward ones to start with are probably Ubuntu and Mint.

      Most Linux distros have a “live CD” version that you can “ins

      Thanks! I have been a gamer for a while now and have primarily been using Steam. One of the main reasons that I have not switched to another OS is I have been worried about compatibility issues.

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  • TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Here's a Reddit post with some people talking about Linux distros if you want to see some additional opinions: link. Manjaro with KDE is a good option as well I'd like to add, my personal recommendation is to install a Linux partition separate from Windows and ease into it, if you enjoy the experience you'll find yourself using the Windows partition less and less until you are able to finally delete it.

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• lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I would definitely pay a subscription for windows 12 if hell froze over and it was the only operating system on Earth. I have very little experience with Linux, limited entirely to my steam deck, and it certainly hasn’t been awful. It isn’t what most of us are used to but it’s not like it’s completely insane and unusable.

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  • ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If they go through with subscriptions, check out Linux Mint, it’s the most polished and easiest to use for those of us coming from Windows.

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• Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I would assume that the subscription they found is similar to existing subscription models for enterprise like E5, which includes Windows 11. I doubt this will get to the consumer level.

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• baatliwala@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  They can’t even consistently get people to pay for one time and they’re expecting a subscription? Lol they’re massively out of touch.

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• BaardFigur@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Bye bye Windows, bye bye

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• EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  That will be the final kick in the pants I need to switch to QubesOS.

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• Poppa_Mo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Ha! They can blow me all the way to my full Linux conversion at that point.

  How to lose marketshare speedrun?

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