Windows 12 May Require a Subscription

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• Gazumi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Hello Linux my old friend…

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• AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Windows was kind of cool until Windows XP (Windows 2000 was also really good), because at that time you felt you had software where you could see that lots of engineering went into it, and most importantly that you could feel you owned (EULA-aside obviously): you pay once for the license and it’s immediately usable. Recent Windows versions went through enshittification and Microsoft now harasses you from time to time to join their online services. Even on the first boot you immediately get harassed to create a Microsoft account and allow them to use your data, and you need to say no many times.

  It’s frankly hilarious how Microsoft is killing its own product. Windows went from something that used to be good and like a real software engineering product (Windows 2000 and XP) to something now that feels like a sketchy malware-infused phone app.

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• lustrum@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Subscriptions need to fuck off. I made a stand a few months ago. I will not subscribe to anything at all unless i’m getting INSANE value.

  Cancelled streaming, random apps, patreon etc. I now have usenet and backblaze b2 for about £3 a month each. Saving me a fortune 🏴‍☠️🦜

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• cesium@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I doubt that Windows 12 itself will require a subscription. There will probably be a subscription for all the AI trash Micro$oft has been implementing into the OS.

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  • RandomPancake@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Microsoft: “Windows 12 is free but all our great built-in apps like Candy Crush, Linkedin, and MegaStomp are unavailable without a subscription.”

    Me: “Yup.”

    Microsoft: “But if you don’t subscribe, you’ll miss out on hot celebrity gossip and the latest fashion news! And you won’t be able to use Bing AI to find great deals on amazing products from our trusted corporate partners!”

    Me: “Sounds good, thanks.”

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    • HurlingDurling@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Me: *Tries to install Firefox.

      Microsoft: Sorry, but your current subscription level does not allow for the installation of unauthorized 3rd party software. Click here to upgrade your subscription and enjoy those great benefits.

      Me: *Installs linux

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  • Psychodelic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Oh great now my mind’s totally at ease

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• HerzogVonWiesel@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  If only Photoshop and After Effects worked on Linux / Wine I wouldve switched long ago…

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  • s_s@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Emacs is my motion graphics compositor of choice on linux.

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    • atyaz@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I prefer to composite motion graphics using ed

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  • cyberpunk007@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Not feasible for most, but maybe time to switch software stack.

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  • nosnahc@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Don’t work with Wine?!

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    • Hellstormy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You can get it to work, but it’s tedious and then still sometimes just doesn’t work right.

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• NoiseColor@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I don’t think this is anyway a serious option. They aren’t idiots.

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  • EvilBit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    My guess is they’ll follow the Office model: offer both as an option, but slowly improve only the subscription version until it’s not really feasible to stay on the pay-once model. Then kill it off. So maybe we have another 5-8 years before it’s fully enshittified?

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  • Bread@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I mean, they already advertise in the operating system, is it really that far of a stretch? Shareholders have to squeeze that rock as much as they can.

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    • NoiseColor@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think it’s a stretch, maybe not a big one but still. This could cause a shift to another os, at least in countries where having such a model is out of the question. And something like that can cause a snow ball effect of people switching. Right now Microsoft is still in a sweet position, problems already coming from apple. They wouldn’t.

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• HafizMuhammad@mastodon.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  @billiam0202

  Windows is nothing but a nightmare. It's privacy invasive, uses too much resources, breaks 24 7, has a boring UI, limited customization, more susceptible to viruses than any other OS, etc...

  People should just switch over to Linux IMO.

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  • be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I went full Linux (at home - no choice a work) in 2007. It was painful, though way less painful than it was for the folks doing it in the mid-late 90s. (I took a shot and failed during that time.)

    Literally each passing year since then, with what I see at work and in the news regarding Microsoft and Windows, it done nothing but deepen my conviction that it was the right move.

    I'm years past trying to convince people who don't care about the technical advantages, but I'm really disheartened to see how the telemetry and privacy concerns, and now the idea of software as a service, is not even a blip on most folks' radar.

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    • BolexForSoup@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It is shocking how many people in the fediverse I keep seeing say "who cares if they get telemetry?" I mean if that's something I hear here, I feel like we already lost the privacy war lol

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• RandomPancake@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Honestly OneDrive is actually very good as far as cloud storage platforms go. It just works. I paid for a subscription for a few years.

  But starting around the 1000th time Microsoft tried to install even more bloatware I started looking for alternatives. For the low low price of “spend a few minutes learning about Tailscale” and buying a few extra hard drives, I’ve got 24TB of storage. My most important stuff gets encrypted locally and backed up to B2. I use Immich to manage my photos, so now I dropped my Google Drive subscription as well. Still on the fence about Nextcloud’s office suites but LibreOffice works great.

  The only reason I still use Win11 is because gaming on Linux still has some issues with the games I play.

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  • Fungah@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    kagis tailscale

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    • RandomPancake@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Kagis?

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• egeres@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This is great for linux, but I think many laptops come with a protected BIOS that won’t allow you to boot other OS’s what do you guys do in this case? Also, correct me if I’m wrong!

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  • loutr@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This is called Secure Boot, it’s part of the UEFI standard which replaces BIOS. Nowadays it’s supported OOTB by most major distros (Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, …), but you can usually disable it with a simple toggle in the UEFI config menu.

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    • egeres@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Thank you!!

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  • AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Wait until people make the tools required to unprotect the BIOS on the brands doing this, if they are. Not much else to do at that point than either wait or just buy from companies making laptops made specifically for. That, or if you are in the EU, complain like Hell that a protected BIOS on a laptop is anti-consumer if it doesn’t let you boot anything besides what the vendor allows and hope they look into it a decade down the line.

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    • egeres@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Okay, thanks! I’ll try to see which laptop require this BIOS tinkering and which ones don’t before hand

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• Grant_M@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I L O L from Linux.

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• Kawi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It’s Linux time then.

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• Carol2852@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This will be the first day in years I will try to make gaming work on Linux once again.

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  • averyfalken@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Its so fuckibg easy for most games now. I just click install ad than play on steam

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    • TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Indeed, the process has really been streamlined. The configs and additional stuff from the olden days still exist, but they're configured really well by default and someone would only ever need to touch them to try and eke out as much performance as possible.

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  • CosmicCleric@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Steam and Bottles (for non-Steam games).

    Games using Bottles can even have a link inside of Steam to launch them from inside of Steam.

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• Arthur_Leywin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Microsoft please make the default OS a subscription. I want what happened to Reddit+Lemmy+etc to happen to Windows+Linux

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• conditional_soup@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’ve seen some people saying that there’s no way Microsoft is this stupid. Some really, really, really obviously bad choices (see: Wizards of the Coast’s OGL debacle) have been made because MBAs got greedy and convinced themselves it would be fine. I find it hard to believe that Microsoft would fuck up this badly, but it’s not out of the spectrum of possibility. What I think is more likely is that this is one of those ‘leaks’ where they’re testing the public reaction, like when Wizards leaked the changes to the OGL via journalists. Hopefully (or not, if you’re a Linux fan) Microsoft plays it smarter than Wizards, because Wizards saw the immense public backlash, gave the sorriest corporate half apology ever, and then proceeded to double down, and it blew up in their face big time.

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• Thanks4Nothing@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  And then Linux will finally get the attention it has always deserved.

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  • floofloof@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    2024 will be the year of the Linux desktop.

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• Tischkante@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Proton will be ready by then.

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  • CeeBee@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s ready now

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• Buelldozer@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  They are doing the same with Windows that they did with Office. Win12 will come as either one time installable or subscription based but over the course of 10 years or so they’ll push harder and harder on getting people into the subscription version. Once it has enough uptake, and it will get there, they will then start pushing the “Why run it on local hardware when you can put it in our cloud and access it from anywhere?”.

  They’re already doing the Virtual Desktop thing in both M365 and Azure now so it’ll be a pretty easy transition when comes.

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• skymtf@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I don’t really know how your gonna sell people on this exactly. Like people will just stop buying laptops. The average person just buys a laptop at walmart in the desired size, from any brand. They don’t even really think about windows. I just don’t really see this working for anyone. What will end up happening is Chromebooks will overtake the laptop market if microsoft goes all in on this.

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  • Buelldozer@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You’ll go to Walmart and buy a WinBook that connects you to your Windows 365 Cloud PC. If your WinBook dies you toss it in the trash and go buy another one, sign into it with your MSA and pick up right where you left off. If you want to game on it then you buy the “Ultra” edition to do game streaming or you buy an XBox.

    The first one is doable today since Microsoft already offers VDs in both M365 for SMB use and “roll your own” VDI in Azure for Large and Enterprise customers. The Second one, streaming gaming, is nearly ready and it creeps a little bit closer all the time.

    It’s not only coming but will probably be the normal use case before 2034.

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• Cappurnikus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  My desktop PC kicked the bucket after 10 years a few months back and I ended up using my Steam Deck as my primary computer for about a month. In that time I learned that Linux isn’t so bad.

  If forced to either pay a subscription for Windows or switch to Linux the choice seems simple for me at this point.

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• The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Yeah, I’ll just get Linux.

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  • Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Do it now, it’s great :D

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    • The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I actually have a machine set aside for it, but I just haven’t taken the plunge yet.

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• praise_idleness@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I mean, Windows has been basically free(as in beer, of course) for some time now. I don’t think this will gravely affect personal users. I don’t think they’re stupid enough to actually expect personal users to understand SUBSCRIPTION OS. Maybe Enterprise edition gets the subscriptions model for the support?

  Either way, Windows sucks. Surface laptops are real great though.

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  • ViscloReader@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s not free, when you pay for a laptop or something that has a valid windows license on it, it’s actually included in the price of that laptop

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  • themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    What support lmao

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• TheMadnessKing@lemdro.id ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I hardly think MS is going this route. It maybe for AI stuff they are pushing in the OS and not the OS itself

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  • Octopus1348@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yes, that’s what I was thinking.

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• corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Look at reactOS for a redo of golden-age windows.

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• pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  yep i guessed it end of windows 11 will begin growing of linux

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• RanchOnPancakes@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  So basically, finally Linux time? I actually like Windows but I ain’t putting up with that shit.

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• Jaysyn@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  And that will be the end of me using Windows for anything aside from drafting.

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• Clbull@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Microsoft would be as stupid as your typical League of Legends player for going down that route. Doing this would be an own-goal and would give Linux market share instantly.

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• tigerjerusalem@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’ll just use the pirated versions with the malware ripped off of it, thank you. Tiny11 is a beauty to run already.

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• FrostKing@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  As much as I’d like a Linux rise from this, I think it’s not unlikely Google will make a desktop OS (not the half done chrome OS.

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  • Arsecroft@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    they would probably shut it down after 2 years, sooner if it was any good

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    • Ibex@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      First they’ll have to split the functionality of every program across multiple programs, then they’ll shut it down.

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  • BetaDoggo_@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Google’s vision is that chromeOS will be seen as a regular operating system with everything being done through Google’s browser while interacting with Google’s services.

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• tiita@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  the only reason why I still using windows is gaming. give me a platform where I can use steam and gog and I will not be touching windows ever again if not in a professional capacity.

  Fuck subscription models

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  • ExcessivelyNoisy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You can use Proton on Linux to make Steam and windows games work. It’s the same way the Steam Deck runs games even though it’s Linux based.

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    • tiita@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I need to have a look at it. thank you for the suggestion

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  • thorcik@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Lutris + Proton.

    Baldur’s Gate 3? Yep.

    Cyberpunk with mods? Yep (a bit of tinkering required)

    I boot Windows only for Battlefield 2042 now, thanks to DICE’s implementation of EAC

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  • Tanya@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I have been playing CS2, War Thunder and so many games on Linux (Zorin OS). Three years now full time on Linux. And I am a newbie, never used the command line ahah

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