What does Bluesky have that Mastodon doesn't?

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• ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Artificial scarcity (invites) and VC funding

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  • UtMan1988@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Funding from the Vietcong? Interesting…

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    • FireTower@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Venture Capital

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    • B1naryB0t@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Voice Chat

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    • thisisawayoflife@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s the plot from Missing In Action 4

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  • whatupwiththat@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    like shooting fish in a barrel

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• ram@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Forgive my ramblings, but here’s the main differences I see, from a community perspective:

  Bluesky’s for people who loved twitter circa 2015
  Mastodon’s for people who loved the format but hated the way the platform made use of it. The community is FOSS-focused and anti-corporate.
  Bluesky folks are anti-corporate, but they still want their social media to be on a single platform and tend to dislike federation
  Mastodon folks tend to be in smaller circles and more tech enthused

  Features-wise, Mastodon kills the algorithm in favour of chronological timelines and lists, while Bluesky embraces algorithms, allowing people to even make their own algorithms for the platform. Bluesky’s AT Proto uses “DIDs” to identify users, which are associated directly with a domain^[or subdomain]. This means that when federation does eventually happen, usernames will just be @my.domain.com instead of ActivityPub’s @actor@my.domain.com.

  Federation’s still not enabled so I have no clue how things will look and feel on that front, nor am I familiar enough with the protocol to make any claim about how versatile it is. ActivityPub is flexible enough to be a Twitter clone, a reddit clone, a blogging platform, a youtube clone, a twitch clone, a goodreads clone, or several other formats. AT Proto’s currently only proven to work for a Twitter clone.

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  • Xepher@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I would argue that most Bluesky users don’t necessarily dislike federation, but rather have no idea what it is, or what the larger Fediverse is.

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    • HipPriest@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Someone I'm in a Discord group with wanted an invite to bluesky because it was more familiar to him than Mastodon.

      He pretty much wanted a like-for-like replacement for Twitter, though to his credit he had already tried Mastodon before dismissing it out of hand.

      It's not that he disliked it exactly, but he wasn't that interested by what he saw so didn't stick with it - to each their own

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  • Corgana@startrek.website ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Bluesky folks are anti-corporate

    Bluesky is a for profit company with Jack Dorsey on the board so good luck to them I guess

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    • ram@bookwormstory.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Oh ya, no, 100%. The company is still a for-profit corporation that needs to make ends meet come the 31st. The userbase is what I’m talking about there, and specifically their unprincipled stance wrt corporate control, in paying lip-service to hating corpos, yet wanting everything to be structured around a centralized entity and team who makes it easy to blame someone (1) for anything that goes wrong.

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• AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  A place where normies can feel at home, knowing that they won’t feel out of place not having a fursona or favourite Linux distribution and won’t be scolded for not using alt text or some inadvertent picoaggression. Also, the promise of clout.

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  • Astroturfed@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What? The constant wave of fury porn and Linux propoganda spam isn’t what people join a social media platform for?!??!?

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    • AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      diagram of bullet holes in surviving WW2 bombers

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  • lowered_lifted@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Also what do you have against blind people

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  • lowered_lifted@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Have you been on bluesky? There’s lots of furries there

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• legion@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You can just click Follow and start following someone. You don’t have to perform a copy-paste dance to bring the username back to your instance and do the following there.

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  • Wiz@midwest.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Wasn’t that fixed - or at least ameliorated - in the newest upgrade of Masto?

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    • Callie@pawb.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It was, yeah. Same with Lemmy for the most part too. I can just search profiles and hit follow like Twitter (derogatory) now

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  • Corgana@startrek.website ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    In the Mastodon app you can just click “follow”. Since BS doesn’t have a web interface at all, it’s probably safe to assume that this is not a major reason a BS user would avoid Mastodon. Since they’re not on desktop anyway.

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    • Rowsdower@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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    • Natanael@slrpnk.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They always had a website, but it used to run off a staging subdomain

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  • NicoCharrua@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The process got easier in mastodon 4.2.0, now you just have to type in your instance and it takes you to it directly.

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    • Aux@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Who wants to type anything?

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  • Natanael@slrpnk.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    When federation is live on the main node on bluesky there will still be some similar effects when you follow links from other servers, in that you’ll need to bring that over to your own server somehow to follow and interact.

    With Mastodon when you follow another’s link you’re asked to specify your own instance, in Bluesky you’ll enter your domain based username and it will find your instance.

    Also with the CDN like BGS caching servers being shared across instances you’ll be able to find more content from your home instance so it will feel more like Twitter. You can directly search for users on other servers.

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• shinratdr@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Not a lot. Simpler signup flow and ecosystem, more twitter-like timeline and features, and some communities that aren’t on Mastodon. FOSS diehards can mince about it all they want and blame idiot users, but the simple fact is people who don’t live and breathe technology still have lots to offer a social network, and Mastodon continues to alienate them in design and in community. Lemmy does too.

  I like Mastodon and Lemmy, a lot. I prefer them to the alternatives. But I just signed up for BlueSky and I’m enjoying it a lot even routed through the Mastodon bridge, simply because there are more diverse communities there, whereas my Mastodon feed is 90% tech and dev people. Getting big App.net flashbacks.

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  • Astroturfed@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think a ton of what’s wrong with lemmy and mastadon can be attributed to the bias of the user based. They skew very tech literate and liberal. Simple one click sign up and smooth onboarding into a user experience is the only way you will get the mass appeal of something like Twitter, reddit etc. I don’t necessarily think that’s a good thing honestly… A person is smart, People are dumb.

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• Pixelle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  • MataVatnik@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I just learnt of bluesky a few hours ago. Wtf do they think it will be different than any of the other corporate social media? We are nearing 20 years since the start of MySpace, do they really think thus time it’s going to be different?

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  • guacupado@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Corporate daddies know how to make things usable for the everyman.

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    • MataVatnik@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I don’t think that’s it. Lemmy has been super fucking easy for me to onboard and navigate

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• Ddhuud@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Like many cases of “success”. A well connected and rich parent.

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• art@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Look, on Mastodon you have to pick a server. That’s just too hard to do.

  That’s why email never took off.

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  • BirdLaw@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    unironically this.

    You think ‘oh it’s not that hard to just pick a sever’, but it is. Most people look at it and go 'well my favorite influencer or friend is on X, but I can only make an account on Y. Can I still communicate with them?! Which advantage has sever Y over server Z? etc. It’s it’s ONE barrier which is one barrier too much for many people (on top of all the new things they have to learn anyway when they decide to get on a new social network)

    Most people don’t know the ins and outs of how these federated systems work, like you do - and it’s scary to them to be confronted with a question about system architecture, when all they want to do is read news or memes.

    And it’s interesting that you mention email, because I’d argue email has the exact same problem. Depending on which country you live in, you’ll notice that most people use primarily one email provider per region/country. Why? because their friends use the same email provider. You know how many people told me “well, I don’t have email, but I can give you my Gmail if you want…?” Email just ‘took off’ because it had nothing to compete with for 20 years and businesses depended on it as well.

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    • SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Most people don’t know the ins and outs of how these federated systems work, like you do

      I don’t think you at all need to understand federation other than it means you can join from multiple places and that typically they mostly all talk so just pick a medium to popular one.

      I still don’t really understand exactly how federation works and I don’t think it hinders me at all to not understand it.

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  • Psythik@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Sarcasm aside, you’re not wrong. The top result for “Lemmy” (that isn’t about Motörhead) is for Join-Lemmy.org. I’m a tech-minded person, but when I saw this “join a server” crap instead of a front page, I decided that I’m too old and that it’s too much effort to figure out. Now imagine someone who isn’t tech-minded wants to join. They’ll fuck off even sooner than I did.

    Hell, the only reason why I’m here is because I decided that Imgur isn’t a good alternative. They’re no better than reddit (i.e. no 3rd party apps). So here I am.

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  • Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    … meanwhile, every account system: please enter your email

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    • pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      he forgot to put : /s

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  • Hjalamanger@feddit.nu ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s ironic because bluesky is also going to have multiple servers sometime soon

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• IvanOverdrive@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I hate gatekeeping so much, but what I’m about to say is going to contradict that statement so much I should probably stop typing and start this post again…

  Anywhoo…

  If a troglodyte can’t figure out how to sign up for the fediverse, then they should stick to CorpoChat

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  • Prior_Industry@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I never got the argument that it’s hard to sign up to. I think the main issues are that people want content from media entities that may not be present or welcome - legacy media etc. This could be where threads.net fills the gap but then it sounds like they will be blocked from a lot of instances.

    I have worked around it via press.coop but they don’t cover everything. I also follow more journalists directly than I did on Twitter. I don’t miss Twitter and find Mastodon more informative but I’m sure that’s because of the information I’m looking for.

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    • FireTower@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      When I first made an account I did it on Lemmy.ml because that’s what I had heard some people talking about and didn’t know it was one several Lemmy instances. I wasn’t aware that ml stood for marxist-leninist, and switched over to the the other I knew about .world.

      I can see the average joe joining the wrong place and seeing an echo chamber or an essential empty isolated instance then forming their opinions on the fediverse around that.

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  • darcy@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    i agree…but…no

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• poVoq@slrpnk.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Bluesky is to Mastodon, what Matrix is to XMPP/IRC… a completely over-engineered system, ignoring all well established international standards and run by a for-profit entity with venture capital funding.

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  • density@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    that actually explains why i find matrix so annoying, thanks.

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  • mojo@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Matrix is literally the best decentralized real time chat we have. I don’t think you understand how the Matrix protocol at works, and I assume you are blindly repeating what you read online that XMPP must be better because it supposedly has less lines of code, though I’m sure you didn’t check that either.

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    • poVoq@slrpnk.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I hate to inform you that I know the insides of both pretty well and run both myself on my server and have evaluated the differences extensively 🤷‍♂️

      Oh and:

      Image

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    • ttmrichter@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Matrix is literally the best decentralized real time chat we have.

      What an utterly depressing statement. Because Matrix is utter shit.

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  • Wiz@midwest.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    And when the venture capital runs out, they will need to turn a profit. And the cycle of enshittification will continue.

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• cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  A megalomaniac owner

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  • spiritedpause@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Are you referring to Jack Dorsey? He’s not the owner, he just gave them grant money in the beginning. It’s a non-profit so technically no individual “owns” it.

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    • huginn@feddit.it ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Mastodon is nonprofit. Blue sky is for profit.

      You’re right about the Dorsey part.

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    • Wiz@midwest.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Wait - are you sure it’s non-profit? If so, why the VC money?

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    • cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      oooh i stand corrected anywho that makes me more anxious to try it if they would just send me my gd invite that i requested like a year ago ;__;

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• son_named_bort@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Easier sign up. On BlueSky you can just sign up for an account and go. You don’t have to worry about picking an instance or anything like on Mastodon, which can be a bit off-putting for someone not familiar with federation.

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  • legion@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s ridiculous how much Mastodon advocates downplay this.

    I strongly prefer Mastodon over the alternatives, but the onboarding experience is BAD for the average user.

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    • Corgana@startrek.website ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Onboarding to Mastodon is actually identical to BS/Threads now. They’ve made huge improvements. It’s a shame that most of the news media’s experience discovering Mastodon for the first time was in Oct '22 because it’s left a bit of a “techie” aura around the whole thing they’re still trying to shake off.

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    • NicoCharrua@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      For a while now, the app has been really easy to sign up on, and now the website is the same.

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  • Corgana@startrek.website ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    FYI- you haven’t needed to do that with Mastodon for a while now. Signing up and following people on the Mastodon app is literally just as easy as it is on BS. All the Federation stuff is hidden unless you want to look for it. It’s very nice.

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  • russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Isn’t BlueSky still on an invite system?

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• BeefPiano@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  • No HOA complaining that you didn’t CW a picture with eye contact or food or alcohol or matter
  • More witty people from X
  • No drama about who is defederating with who

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  • MyFairJulia@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Which instance have you been on?

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    • BeefPiano@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      My instance is great, although I wish we would switch to glitch-soc so we could have instance-only visibility on posts. I don’t really see much inter-instance drama and I generally don’t get harassed by people who think I need to post a certain way (maybe because I’ve been on Masto since 2018 and they have been on less than a year?)

      But those are still legitimate problems for a lot of people.

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• petunia@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Feeds/timelines are first-class citizens in the AT protocol and are decoupled from account hosting.

  On Mastodon, your timelines are computed by the same server that hosts your data. Consequently, signing up to a server to have an account on the fediverse is the same thing as joining a community. You follow the servers rules and share the same local timeline as everyone else on that server.

  On Bluesky, feeds are arbitrary, fungible and provided by any server, and it can be computed/curated/moderated however they like. So communities are “built” around feeds rather than around account hosting providers.

  The AT protocol also has “real” account portability (though I have not seen this demonstrated in practice atproto.com/guides/overview#account-portability). On Mastodon, account “portability” is a delicate dance that requires the cooperation of both the origin and destination server.

  Mastodon has something that Bluesky currently doesn’t: real federation. The Bluesky server that everyone signs up to doesn’t federate with anyone else, since the whole protocol is still a work-in-progress.

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  • Corgana@startrek.website ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    My money’s on BS never federating at all. Mastodon Instances are communities unto themselves. The way BS is set up means an “instance” is essentially just free additional hosting for BlueSky Inc. It’s decentralized similarly to how crypto is decentralized. Of course, what else would one expect from Jack.

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    • Pixelle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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    • Natanael@slrpnk.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There’s a sandbox with federation with third party clients already live. If somebody wanted to fork out and federate in open now they could. They aren’t doing so because it’s still work in progress, especially moderation tooling and scaling needs improvements

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• Callie@pawb.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This isn’t really Bluesky specific, but the artists I follow are by in large, on Bluesky and not Mastodon, and that’s pretty much the only reason I want to use it

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  • g0g0gadget@artemis.camp ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Same but for journalists/writers.

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• SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Tho I agree with all the comments I have to say the general vibe of bluesky is more playful and fun compared to mastadon, perhaps its just my bias. But just like lemmy generally feels like a nice place to be so does bluesky- the vibe feels inviting.

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  • Hubi@feddit.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’ve got an account on Bluesky and I’m not sure if I agree. Like 90% of the posts I’ve seen on there are about Bluesky itself, there wasn’t really anything beyond that.

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    • SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Well small new platforms do have a lotta posts about themselves, lemmy isnt new but is still full of posts about lemmy

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    • GillyGumbo@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And 90% of oats on lent seem to be about reddit…

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• kromem@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Users.

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• warmaster@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Hype & mainstream celebrities?

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• psychothumbs@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It creates that “one big chatroom” vibe from old twitter, while Mastodon feels like a bunch of people microblogging next to each other

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• spiderman@ani.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  People just join it thinking it’s Jack Dorsey’s next twitter.

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• Suspicious@lemmy.wtf ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I think emulating twitter was ha huge mistake for mastadon, the twitter reply structure that makes it difficult to have a long conversation with multiple people be the main part of the post but ideal for “dunks” and outrage farming. I think the Tumblr reblog structure would have been an infinitly better choice for the more actual socialising thing fediverse is going for and a small user base that isnt producing much content and it’s less image-centric allowing better use of sever space, additionally (intuitively I haven’t thought about implementation that hard) it seems like a natural fit for federation.

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• lowered_lifted@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If you go on Bluesky they will tell you. Lots of people saying that they feel isolated because there is no algorithm feeding engagement, and federation doesn’t lend itself to finding your friends from Twitter easily without one of those migration tools people were using. Then another chunk describe Mastodon users as a “HOA” because someone told them to put a CW on something.

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• AccidentallySober@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  An invite-only strategy straight out of the early 2000s

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• Mandy@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  As much as people may not like to hear it Ease of use from being one centralized platform is a big factor

  Just login and be done with it

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• RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Billionaire backing.

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• Privacy@monero.town ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Lots of semi naked dudes and I still don’t know why!

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• mojo@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Portable accounts and being able to add third party layers to your feed for moderation and sorting algorithms. At least that’s their design goal, idk if it’s actually implemented because I never got an invite after like half a year.

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• xc2215x@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  More non political stuff most likely.

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• Phegan@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Most of the people I followed on Twitter. Unfortunately.

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• Thisfox@sopuli.xyz ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It is easier to get into. It is easier to continue with it. There is an obvious no-brainer app.

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