If I’m understanding this correctly, this is more valuable to underfunded military forces but not for the 3d printed ghost gun types. This doesn’t include propellent or explosives, which are the controlled parts. That’s awesome though.
Tech hobbyist makes shoulder-mounted guided missile prototype with $96 in parts and a 3D printer — DIY MANPADS includes Wi-Fi guidance, ballistics calculations, optional camera for tracking
Submitted 12 hours ago by fossilesque@mander.xyz to technology@lemmy.world
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kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 hours ago
slackj_87@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Great… can’t wait for politicians to use this as a way to pass “common sense” legislation banning 3D printers.
Janx@piefed.social 11 hours ago
Aren’t they already doing that due to their hysteria over “ghost” guns?
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 10 hours ago
I learned from Mario that ghosts can only harm you if you look away.
Cethin@lemmy.zip 4 hours ago
Well, that’s the excuse at least. The law would have to effectively kill 3D printing. Is that the goal? Idk.
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 6 hours ago
Trying to yes. I think it’s model legislation, probably ALEC bs, if I recall CA tried to pass it and hasn’t yet. Maybe a year back.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 6 hours ago
The kind that can be better made with $20 and a trip to home depot?
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 hours ago
And just like age verification it’s useless because one can build a 3d printer out of an old VCR and a hot glue gun.
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 6 hours ago
They already are over 3d guns, this will send them ballistic. They want every printer to keep a record of everything they’ve printed. Model legislation, I think CA tried and so far failed to pass it.
Dettweiler42@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 hours ago
They’re already trying that in New York and California, unfortunately. “Any 3D printer capable of printing parts for firearms” was the verbage, from what I recall.
Samskara@sh.itjust.works 11 hours ago
You don’t need to ban 3D printers. Restrictions and licensing requirements for making, using, owning rockets and guidance software are enough.
chocrates@piefed.world 11 hours ago
His guidance is just wifi cameras talking to it. Not sure it even is using gps.
To ban stuff like this you have to ban a lot of useful tech
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 hours ago
This already would fall under an FFL license for legal citizens anyway. As is the nature of the internet though, this open design will be preserved and available for those who seek it.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 10 hours ago
LOL. Like they “ban” some guns?.
Printers are not hard to assemble from parts.
Retro_unlimited@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
I wonder if there is some archive or torrent for STL files, like an archive of thingiverse or something. Would be nice to archive that just in case.
riskable@programming.dev 7 hours ago
It’s that even necessary? Anyone with a CAD tool can recreate the 3D printed parts from a glance and a few specs.
It’s literally a tube. Which—to be fair—is a “weapon of mass destruction” according to President Bush (the other war criminal president).
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Notably absent… the explosives.
But sure, if you are wondering how folks out in Yemen or Gaza managed to retaliate against their oppressors for so long, this is a textbook example of how and why. What’s being proposed is collection of technology we’ve had since at least the 1960s that’s slowly made its way into civilian circulation.
Also…
Khojayev’s just-launched prototype has no effectiveness track record
I mean, we’re seeing what “just-launched prototypes with no effective track record” have accomplished on the Ukraine-Russia front-lines and it’s a decidedly mixed bag.
I think a harder question to answer is “Who would be interested in putting one of these into practical use?” And that gets to the real value-add of a Stinger MANPAD. Namely, the humans willing and practiced enough to use it.
NotAnonymousAtAll@feddit.org 2 hours ago
Notably absent… the explosives.
Not my area of expertise, so please tell me if the idea is complete garbage. With that being said: Theoretically, could the LiPo Battery that’s already in there anyway be turned into an explosive payload by intentionally overheating and puncturing it on impact?
sudoshakes@reddthat.com 5 hours ago
I synthesize energetics. I can make a primary explosive that is stable enough for cap usage with a solo cup. I can synthesize secondaries like RDX above (one of the more complicated common ones) in short order with a basic chemistry set and the internet to order basic reagents. None are controlled substances.
It is trivially easy to make effective shapes charges and energetics at home.
Synthesis is federally legal in the US so long as you do not assemble into a device or transport. You can do both with an SOT as an FFL.
If I wanted to, I could make a shaped charge that was point imitated and base detonated for the above projectile and it would punch through about 1.5 feet of homogeneously rolled steel.
The limit to threat is not the access to explosives, as the chemistry and processes are published freely online as easy to replicate. The drone parts and control surface actuation is by far harder and I say this as someone who has a professional background in computer science and software engineering.
YellowParenti@lemmy.wtf 19 minutes ago
RDX on youtube if you prefer visuals apparently i can get 2.5L of nitric acid @ 70% for $220. Seems pretty straight forward.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
It is trivially easy to make effective shapes charges and energetics at home.
Safely?
If I wanted to, I could
You’ve got enough information to try to execute the above formula. Okay. And you’ve still got all your fingers after attempting this… more than zero times?
The drone parts and control surface actuation is by far harder and I say this as someone who has a professional background in computer science and software engineering.
Absolutely. We invented gunpowder centuries before we invented airplanes.
That said… as an anecdote, I had a friend who had a janitorial position. Used a bunch of bleach to clean a particularly stubborn toilet and dumped a bunch of bleach into the bowl. His coworker came in behind him and proceeded to piss in said boil, creating a toxic miasma that forced them to exit the restroom quickly and heavily ventilate it before returning.
“I could cook up some blasting caps with the trash from a frat party” is a theoretically believable claim.
“Every time I clean up a frat party, I add a dozen shaped charges to my inventory” is not.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
The drone parts and control surface actuation is by far harder and I say this as someone who has a professional background in computer science and software engineering.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrzxSOtj33s
The model rocket community has this one sorted.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
It’s not a MANPAD really.
The sensor package has no IR sensor (or radar unit) and no way to proximity fuse.
It has GPS, accelerometer and barometric pressure. It’s more like a rocket powered artillery shell than an anti-air weapon.
Or, given the lack of explosive, it’s a high speed burrito delivery device.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
it’s more like a high speed burrito delivery device.
See, now you’ve got my interest.
riskable@programming.dev 8 hours ago
You don’t need explosives. It has a spot in the front for a camera. One of the new microcontrollers with AI accelerators can do face recognition extremely quickly. It would be possible to use it as an assassination tool.
Even if you changed nothing about the design, the speed and mass of the thing hitting a person in the face could kill.
chaogomu@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
As the bps space YouTube channel has shown, reliability is paramount in any launch, especially a guided launch.
That and people duck when shit flies at them, unless it’s supersonic, which again, as bps space has shown, control of a supersonic flight is extremely difficult to get right.
This is a guy who landed a hobby rocket like a tesla booster.
But at $100 a pop, you could have backups. (or payloads)
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
It would be possible to use it as an assassination tool.
Khojayev’s just-launched prototype has no effectiveness track record
:-/
ICastFist@programming.dev 7 hours ago
Why kill only one when you can do a whole blast and get a multi-kill?
eleitl@lemmy.zip 9 hours ago
Plastic explosive triggered by electrodetonator is quite safe.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
You can deploy a lot of $96 semi-effective hardware and improve it vs something that might be thousands or even tens or hundreds of thousands to deploy.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
You can deploy a lot of $96 semi-effective hardware
Khojayev’s just-launched prototype has no effectiveness track record
:-/
I mean, time will tell. To date, this particular iteration of technology has a 0% success rate in doing anything but farming clicks.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 5 hours ago
I have this idea: Scientists some time ago, discovered they could knot light into loops.
Would it be possible to make a curved laser for laser artillery?
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Certainly possible. But you’re still stuck on the r^2^ problem of diminishing returns at a distance. Light doesn’t like staying in a tight beam. The vortex loop is typically not much bigger than the wavelength. I don’t see much of a solution for transmitting energy long distances through air.
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 5 hours ago
I’d build and use one of these if I could get the explosives to go with it and the address of a CEO.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 5 hours ago
The United States has a variant of the AGM-114 Hellfire missile that replaces the explosive warhead with six scimitar blades. Because fuck That Guy, the whole That Guy and nothing but the That Guy.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 10 hours ago
Atomize * some propelant, boom, explosive.
* english choose the dumbest word for “zerstäuben”.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Atomize* some propelant, boom, explosive.
The trick is to get the atomized propelant to “boom, explosive” at the target and not in your backpack.
Also, you probably want a “boom” sufficient to accomplish whatever demolition you’re planning, which - again - raises the stakes regarding what’s in your backpack.
There’s a classic little film called “The Wages of Fear” that explores the hazards of amateurs transporting high explosives over long distances.
frongt@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
Does that literally mean “make dust”? I think “powderize” might be a better translation in this context, if it’s a solid, or “aerosolize” if it’s a liquid. I’ve never been a big fan of the word “atomize” in any case.
chaogomu@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Atomize, from the original Ancient Greek adjective atomos, meaning “uncuttable” or “indivisible”.
Seems pretty apt to me. You have rendered it into its smallest constituent pieces through physical means, any further reduction requires chemical processes, or high energy physics. Coincidentally, a simple spark provides both.
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Damn and the Dept of Fucked Up Wars pays $1 to 1.3 million for a Tomahawk cruise missile. I am fully aware MANPADS are much smaller.
The article below the DIY MANPADs was interesting too. MIT researchers used a 3D printer to build an electric motor!
Wilco@lemmy.zip 1 hour ago
This next rebellion is going to get crazy!
areakode@riskeratspizza.com 1 hour ago
Is it weird that I have all of the necessary components already? Lol.
hansolo@lemmy.today 7 hours ago
What a time to be alive… For now
MehBlah@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
This wont scare the think of the children crowd at all.
AbidanYre@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
I don’t know, rockets are pretty phallic.
MehBlah@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
They are not afraid of the phallus . They fear the vginy.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
It’s uhh, for home defense
cRazi_man@europe.pub 11 hours ago
Home offence is the best defense.
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 10 hours ago
Imagine spending thousands of dollars stockpiling assault rifles and ammo for your revolution only to have your entire milita wiped out when some nerd with a $100 homemade missile blows-up the UHaul you all piled in the back of.
Mister_Hangman@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Bite the hand that kills your neighbor.
IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Clearly it’s just a big-ass gun that shoots 5000 caliber rounds. So it’s protected by the 2nd Amendment.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
'Murica
frongt@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
Against invading homes? Do you get those a lot in your area?
FauxLiving@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Not anymore
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 5 hours ago
They beat me to it! Fuck…
EightBitBlood@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Can’t wait for the next Luigi to use one of these on an Epstein CEO. Polymarket, please let me make that bet.
YellowParenti@lemmy.wtf 41 minutes ago
If you can get the target out in the open, an old school pipe bomb from just gun powder and stuff from the hardware store on a drone is easier. Im sure for $1000 you too can become a patron saint.
Slovene85@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
reads the title What the heck is Colin Furze up to now?
It’s not him though.
Yttra@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
It really does feel like a random Colin video drop haha
DupaCycki@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Uh-oh…
circuscritic@lemmy.ca 12 hours ago
That’s fucking nuts.
I have a lot of thoughts, but all I can really say is that’s fucking nuts.
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Ground private jets
shittydwarf@sh.itjust.works 11 hours ago
That’s one way to reduce billionaire CO2 emissions
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 hours ago
Probably would be the only way lol.
“You ain’t flying over this town ever again.”
einkorn@feddit.org 11 hours ago
In case you haven’t done so already I suggest reading The Ministry for the Future.
5in1k@lemmy.zip 8 hours ago
Get these to the Children of Kali.
daychilde@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
I prefer mine grated so they still have a little bite.
frongt@lemmy.zip 12 hours ago
Neat. I wonder if there is anything you can use as a warhead without it becoming a destructive device. Chalk rounds?
I’m also curious to know the rocket velocity compared to actual MANPADS. I’ll have to watch the videos later because I’m also curious about whether they’re independent or require the launching laptop to stay connected.
Samskara@sh.itjust.works 11 hours ago
Velocity and range are also my main questions, as well as tracking quality and speed. The video doesn’t demonstrate it hitting a flying target.
Common MANPADS like Stinger, Strela, etc. use infrared tracking. The seekers are high performance and fast but need complex supercooling with gas. Using a MANPADS you only have seconds, to arm, aim and track, then fire the missile against a fast moving target before it‘s out of range. These can hit low flying supersonic jets.
Still this project is very impressive and hints at the possibility to build cheap low end MANPADS that can target slow moving strike and observation drones, maybe helicopters.
It’s another indicator, that mass produced cheap precision weapons are a major trend in warfare.
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 hours ago
Potentially could be used for things like spreading flame-retardent powder for putting out a wildfire or similar with more precision. Would also remove the risk of a human life in firefighting so areas might be cleared quicker.
IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Already behind the times on that: arstechnica.com/…/firefighting-drones-head-to-asp…
mbirth@lemmy.ml 11 hours ago
“Do you have natural freckles or did you use that shoulder-mounted guided missile prototype again?”
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 10 hours ago
I wish I had this much free time :(
testfactor@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
I wish the video actually had him using it to hit a drone or something. As is, it only shows one actual launch, and it didn’t look all that impressive. His motors didn’t seem to have enough umph to let the missile stabilize properly.
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 6 hours ago
That is what is needed more than anything, a way to take down drones.
frongt@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
One of the links says it’s KNO3 and sugar
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 hours ago
“This is it, Luigi.”
tidderuuf@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
This civil war 3d printer gonna go brrtrrrtrrtt.
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 10 hours ago
This bud is going to get a visit from the MIC.
Hupf@feddit.org 6 hours ago
!noncredibledefense@lemmy.world
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 hours ago
Ukraine needs this.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 hours ago
While yes, I agree there is one issue: If Ukraine can have it, everyone will get it.
Which (in this case) is not so goodTruscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 hours ago
To a degree this is inevitable, though. Pipe bombs and general IEDs have existed for much longer than this creation, and we’ve long passed the point where the average individual can easily create reliable firearms and ammunition within their own home (FOSSCAD).
This is just the logical conclusion of those who wish to design a more refined and precised IED.
Luci@lemmy.ca 11 hours ago
Those anti trans protestors are about to find out what happens when you mix glitter and 3d printing
I wouldn’t
(I will)
cheese_greater@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
dafuq?!
chocrates@piefed.world 11 hours ago
I love that we have democratized makers such that this stuff can be built. I wish it didn’t “have” to be used to kill each other.
ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 hours ago
What kind of PLA is he using that’s only 17USD for 1.5kg?
teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 6 hours ago
PLA? I didn’t see what type of propellant mentioned in the parts list posted to comments either. Someone said it didn’t look like it was going that fast.
devolution@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
MIDItheKID@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Damn Nerf wars gonna be crazy.
Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 hour ago
“Want to know how I got these scars? The Great Nerf War.”