Funny, even mentioning Ukraine in a post title starts a tankie fest. Fellas working overtime, I see
Without a hint of irony, Russia mocks US for 'miscalculating' Iran war
Submitted 3 weeks ago by Sepia@mander.xyz to globalnews@lemmy.zip
https://kyivindependent.com/russia-scoffs-at-us-israeli-iran-miscalculation/
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rockerface@lemmy.cafe 3 weeks ago
GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Seriously. It’s like someone spilled tankie chum on the carpet, or something.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 weeks ago
Someone did something stupid and refederated with Hexbear the infected are breaking containment again
huppakee@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Wouldn’t be surprised if there is some program that sources places to comment for these bots. Russia would be a logical keyword in that case.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Funny how you’re the one Tankie bashing, as usually happens with posts not in line with the banderite bootlicker’s opinions.
And lol at the Kiev independentglimse@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
That’s sooo interesting how you’re using the Russian spelling of Kyiv
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Do you really love being that wrong all the time?
rockerface@lemmy.cafe 3 weeks ago
Funny how you’re the one projecting out of your Good Camp Approved Echo Chamber
Doomsider@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Damn, do the mods not protect the tankies here!?
Tja@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
That’s not the name of the website…
mrbutterscotch@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Yeah, they are in overdrive recently. Had one calling me an imperial pig for saying that the Iranian regime, a theocratic dictatorship, are not the best of guys.
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
It’s funny that Ukraine is exposing their own hypocrisy here too. They are defending their own sovereignty against Russia’s aggression yet they support US and Israel aggression over Iran defending their own sovereignty.
yakko@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
The waters are a little muddier than that, since Iranian weapons have been hitting Ukraine for ages. There’s not much hypocrisy to be had there, it’s just sad.
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Nothing is muddy about sovereignty. You either respect it or not. Everything else is just excuses to justify violating it.
Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 3 weeks ago
Honestly a better place to point out the hypocrisy would be Ukraine complaining about being invaded after helping invade Iraq; they’d need to endure being pounded for twenty years before they could complain about being invaded.
Zomg@piefed.world 3 weeks ago
Iran is where Russia has been getting it’s drones from, so I don’t think Ukraine should feel any type of way about Iran being in conflict, it benefits them on the lower level of drone supply going to Russia.
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
And Ukraine has been getting weapons from half the world, should that half of the world now be open targets for it?
Sovereignty can’t be conditional. You either support or it you don’t.
theneverfox@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
Yeah, because on one side of the war is their begrudging allies and on the other is an ally to their invader
Ukraine gets a pass because they’re currently being invaded. It’s not an ideologicall position to defend yourself, they aren’t hypocrits for playing wherever hand they’ve got
War is a horrid thing, it makes monsters of us all. The only valid reason is for self defense, and we (theoretically) blame the aggressor for what the victim does in the course of defending themselves
Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Iran provides thousands of drones to Russia. The US provides weapons to Ukraine… But Ukraine is supposed to support Iran against the US, bolstering their opponent and pissing off an ally? Because I guess it’s better for every man woman and child in Ukraine to be dead and ethically pure than to survive using anything below ideal ethical behaviour??
Make it make sense please!
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
geopolitics are far more complicated and simple than “supporting aggression”. it is more like “supporting opening the strait of hormuz” and “supporting preexisting political alliances” and “how the fuck did we end up on the same side of this stupid war as the stupid orange one”
Iconoclast@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
Do they support it or just not criticize them for it due to being so reliant on US weaponry?
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
They are actively supporting the attacks by US and Israel. They praised the attacks, met with the exiled monarch and no word about Iran sovereignty.
They also offered to send drones and drone specialists to the region to shoot down Iranian drones. Which is no different than Iran supplying Russia with drones. If you have issue with that, why are you doing the same?
Also they are not reliant on US anymore, Europe is almost entirely supplying Ukraine now from weapons to intelligence.
mrdown@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Ukraine is no longer reliant on the usa . In fact, europe is the biggest backer of Ukraine right to defend itself and the usa eased up the sanctions on russia because of that war Ukraine support and also moved defendive assets from ukraine to help Israel
Suoko@feddit.it 3 weeks ago
It’s funny how we all delegate the use of heavy weapons to people who are barely able to communicate
carl_marks_1312@hexbear.net 3 weeks ago
Being a lib with no political theory must be so confusing reading the news these days
Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 3 weeks ago
Nothing ironic here; Russia planned for the consequences of their war while we thought we’d just roll the Iranians, just like we thought we’d roll the houthis.
GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
What war? They’re having a jaunty lil weekend in Ukraine. Three days, in and out, Morty.
You call that planning? You should be SecDef.
MasterBlaster@lemmygrad.ml 3 weeks ago
FWIW none of the Russian government actually described the invasion as taking only three days, that was their deranged media doing their usual stuff. They definitely planned for like, 10-14 days though, so egg on their face.
Salah@hexbear.net 3 weeks ago
It seems like Russia has actually gained from its invasion of Ukraine while the US stands to lose (some of) its military bases and influence in gulf states. So I don’t see the necessity for irony.
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
What has Russia gained from the Ukraine invasion? Genuinely asking.
Fluke@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
A horrendous number of dead working age men?
queermunist@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
They helped deplete the US’s munition and now they’re in a much worse position to fight Iran.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Way less people to pay pensions for in 30 years
Way less old weapons to recycle
Being BFF with North Korea
A possibility to turn around when the economy tanks
A greener world with less oil and gas exports
Enlarging NATO for a more peaceful future
Do I have to go on?
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
he probably meant from IRANS invasion, the oil prices rose as a result of the strait being Mined, and the sanctions being lifted?>
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Pots and kettles…
Russia also mocked the EU for not joining this war and not helping the USA.
I don’t get it, is Iran their ally or not? Why would they want Europe to attack Iran?
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s always an alliance of convenience amongst authoritarian states.
RamenJunkie@midwest.social 3 weeks ago
Russia doesn’t care about the US either, the only reason they put Trump in charge is because he is a devisive fuck up loser and would cause the most chaos.
Though if Putin really wanted to destabilize the US into oblivion, he would have “leaked” documents about hacking voting machines to achive a Biden win in 2020. Not that it is at all true, but that would have tipped the MAGA extremist projection over the edge and caused them to errupt into a mass of violent thugs that would have made the Jan 6th Imsurrection look like a picnic.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
the only reason they put Trump in charge
Brother, I have some terrible news for you. Americans put Trump in charge.
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 3 weeks ago
If Russia has the unredacted Epstein files, releasing those would truly destabilize the world.
Since the unredacted haven’t been leaked, this conclusion either means no one has them OR class solidarity amongst the Epstein class is more important than destabilizing the world.
87Six@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
“Russia”'s allies are not other coutries, it’s other elites. No country is allied with any country. It’s just that the elites agree on what they should do to get away with more shit.
MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 3 weeks ago
Russia is honestly the last nation that should talk about anything with regards to this. They have had numerous high profile military failures in Ukraine (a country they promised never to invade beforehand), are stuck in WW1 with drones and an almost frozen frontline for over 4 years now, and suffered hundreds of thousands of casualties and tens of thousands of losses of high value equipment. A bombing campaign in Iran (for now) pales in comparison to that.
jaemo@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Is no one considering that Russia has a uniquely qualified perspective when it comes to failure? Game recognize game…
mycodesucks@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Misery loves company.
xxam925@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Regardless of what the current consensus is the fact remains that the US, through NATO, choked Russia until they had to attack Ukraine.
I just want to point that out.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
yeah when i get bored in history class i make up stuff too
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Can you explain? I’m lost.
IEatDaFeesh@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The fact that Ukraine was starting to get into NATO effectively meant more Western influence near Russia. Also, any plans of Russian expansion would be dead because Ukraine would be a NATO country. So I think what he meant by “choking Russia” is disallowing them to take over Ukraine.
cosecantphi@hexbear.net 3 weeks ago
Ukraine joining NATO has been Russia’s clearly stated red line for decades, guarantees for the non-expansion of NATO into the former Eastern Bloc, Ukraine chief among them, was even a major condition for the Soviet Union to agree to dissolve. Then NATO and the US organized the Maidan coup, and Ukraine started ethnically cleansing Eastern Ukraine of Russian speakers to the point that Ukraine was in a civil war with the breakaway republics.
Russia tried to deal with this diplomatically for many years through every channel at their disposal, but as it turned out NATO, the US, and Ukraine were negotiating entirely in bad faith to give Ukraine time to militarize. This war was several decades in the making and Russia was not at all the aggressor, even if they severely miscalculated what the cost of the war would be.
Typotyper@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Lol
rockerface@lemmy.cafe 3 weeks ago
Nah, this shit has been going on since russia called itself an empire openly. The only thing that changed is the branding
hanrahan@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
this disjointed thinking is what happens when your mother drinks too much vodka with you in utero
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Right…we made them amass 100,000 troops on the Ukrainian border and them attack using Jedi mind tricks… gimme a break.
rockerface@lemmy.cafe 3 weeks ago
I thought Zelenskyy was the one using Jedi mind tricks on Biden to scam him for weapons? /s
Doomsider@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Choked Russia… By buying their oil!? Russia creates all their own problems by being fascist and stupid at the same time.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
lemmy.ml is that way -->
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Ok then
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
irans war greatly benefited RUSSia, IN THAT THEY CAN recover the money they lost on the ukraine invasion since the oil prices are so high right now.
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Ironically the rouble:USD rate is rising the last several days.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
The rubles “value” is not very predictive of its real value because no one uses it. It’s like if I print and exchange “Valmonds” with my friends for 10€ a piece (having my “central bank” buying them back for 10€50 to keep “the price” high), doesn’t make them actually valuable.
BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 3 weeks ago
Russia didn’t stop selling its oil, it even kept selling it to Europe through middle-men.
redlemace@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
it takes one to know one
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
I mean, they are the experts.
Actually, question here: how many wars has Russia won that they actually started?
Afghanistan was a shit show as per usual. Russo-Japanese war was a loss, though I believe the Japanese started that one.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
how many wars has Russia won that they actually started?
We can play this game, but we’re required to do the US next.
BarrelsBallot@lemmygrad.ml 3 weeks ago
The people in power who lie about every war are probably also lying about every war btw
The_Che_Banana@beehaw.org 3 weeks ago
Cool, now Trump will drop all the other sanctions.
PrinceOfSloth@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Russia is happy US made the same mistake as them.
knightly@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
“Mistake”
Russia’s operative in office was given explicit instructions to start this war.
huppakee@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Yes, and now both countries started a war they expected to easily win and now looks like they made the same mistake. There are an endless amount of differences between these two wars but it not going as easy as hoped is one very clear similarity.
Count042@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
I think you misspelled Israel.
triplenadir@lemmygrad.ml 3 weeks ago
Do you think there might be a reason people convinced you that the Cold War is still going on, decades after it ended?