Comment on Without a hint of irony, Russia mocks US for 'miscalculating' Iran war
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 1 day agoNothing is muddy about sovereignty. You either respect it or not. Everything else is just excuses to justify violating it.
Whilst it’s a hard bite I understand the stance. I’m a staunch supporter of the Ukraine and unfortunately they have had to make comprises on their position. TBF I think they have balanced well. I am a supporter of Taiwan, I made an effort to buy their products over Chinese where possible, but then they decided to see parts to the Russians and critique Ukraine.
So I can see how hypocrisy can hurt.
Ukraine the brave.
I do support Ukraine too and will continue to support their fight for sovereignty, but this will do unrepairable damage. Until now they were able to call out Russia for their hypocrisy and people take them seriously, now they are the same double faced liars that they were calling out before.
I think liars is a bit strong. Acknowledging compromise is more my stance. And honestly so many have made promises and then let them down.
ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 1 day ago
Iran doesn’t respect Ukraine’s sovereignty, so Ukraine doesn’t respect Iran’s. Simple as.
mrdown@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Ukraine joined the sanctions on iran in 2007 for the civilian nuclear program and balistic program. That is a breach of Iran sovereignity amd before it with the same regime in place the relation between the two country was decent
oatscoop@midwest.social 1 day ago
Choosing not to do business with someone isn’t a “breach of sovereignty”.
mrdown@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Using economic thrats to try ro force a country to not build it’s army and security is a breach of sovereigty
MasterBlaster@lemmygrad.ml 1 day ago
Sanctions aren’t exactly a polite refusal to do business.
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
How so? Did Iran ever breached Ukraine sovereignty?
Sepia@mander.xyz 1 day ago
Yes, it did. It has been helping Russia doing so, which is clearly the aggressor in this war.
If you want to talk about Iranian sovereignty, I suggest you talk with Iranians. They want a regime change in their country more than anyone else.
Your argumentation here in thread - following a post about Russia’s aggression against Ukraine - is disingenuous to say the least. Unfortunately, this kind of watering down autocratic systems is still widespread here on Lemmy.
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
How? By trading with it’s ally Russia? Same way Ukraine has been trading with it’s allies US, EU and others? We are at wolrd world if that’s the case for breached sovereignty.
Yes. Something we can agree on. Iranian people should be the only ones who decides how their country is run.
So the world will lift the sanctions placed on them and let them as citizens of a sovereign nation overthrow their theocratic government?
I think you are confused and maybe posted in a different thread. “Russia scoffs at US-Israeli ‘miscalculation’ in Iran, years after failing to take Ukraine in days” was the original title of this article… Ukraine’s hypocrisy is very much on point for this article.
Funny you say that. You are in effect the most effective propagandist for theocrats and other autocrats. You celebrate murder of civilians by lawless nations and then pretend to care about civility and rule of law. When that hypocrisy is exposed you are surprised why people are not listening to you.
I don’t care which type of government a country has but I support each country’s sovereignty. And if people living in those countries are unhappy about their government, it’s up to them and only them to change that. It’s doesn’t matter if we personally like it or not. It’s written in the UN Charter which we all are part of.
Windex007@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Why exactly does Ukraine have so much experience shooting down Shahed drones?
Iran has been producing the munitions that have been raining on them for 4 years.
I’m going to be real with you, I see no difference between the USA sending Israel munitions to fire on Gaza and Iran sending them to Russia to fire at Ukraine. Either you need to tell me with a straight face that the USA respects Palestinian sovereignty or you need to accept that Iran doesn’t respect the sovereignty of Ukraine.
BrikoX@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
There isn’t one from sovereignty perspective. Neither US or Iran selling weapons has anything to do sovereignty.
It has to do with which party is the aggressor and should countries use it as leverage for peace. US didn’t commit a genocide in Gaza, they just supported it. Same way, Iran didn’t attacked Ukraine, but they do support it. Israel and Russia are the aggressors who are breaching sovereignty.
Also, if we would remove sanctions from Iran, they could sell those drones to Ukraine or Europe too. Now they are forced to trade with other countries that are already sactioned by US and wouldn’t be affected by sactions.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
I saw a television show in the 80’s where a kid named his cate “Mousey Tongue”. “Chairman Meow” reminded me of this.