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The mist Texan of all expressions - Y'All - is ungendered and therefore woke

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨tissek@ttrpg.network⁩ to ⁨showerthoughts@lemmy.world⁩

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  • DharmaCurious@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Texas does not have a monopoly on y’all. Y’all is collective, both as a noun, and as ownership. Y’all is Southern for Comrade.

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    • DrQuint@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Comrade

      W’all

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      • DharmaCurious@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        And poetry isn’t always literal.

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    • 30mag@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Y’all is Southern for Comrade.

      Comrade isn’t plural.

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      • nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Y’all isn’t necessarily plural either.

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  • camr_on@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Was this post designed to offend all non Texan southerners

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    • MargotRobbie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Oh! Oh! Lemmy try! Lemmy try!

      Ahem.

      “Beans do not belong in chili.”

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      • escapesamsara@discuss.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Ya’ll better watch out now y’hear? We don take kindly to that kind’a hate speech ‘round these parts. Equal weight beans and beef, you skimp out either and yain’t fixin’ chili; you might’ina even be inclined to leave for everyone’s sake.

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      • camr_on@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Bless your heart 😒😒

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      • SolarNialamide@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Where in the world do you not put beans in chili? That’s literally the point of chili. Is this an American thing I’m too European to understand?

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      • 30mag@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        If you’re trying to piss someone off, you would say “Beans belong in chili.”

        People who think it’s ok to put beans in chili don’t really care what you put in chili. You’re not going to upset them.

        On the other hand, people who believe that beans don’t belong in chili…

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    • w00tabaga@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Idk but if so, mission accomplished I guess

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    • Tandybaum@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I am untethered and my rage knows no bounds

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  • BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I refuse to accept Texas’ claim on y’all. Its a word collectively owned by everyone south of the mason-dixon line and I will fight to the death over this.

    Signed, floridaman

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    • Intralexical@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      …Am I not allowed to use “y’all”, north of the 49th parallel? Do we have to bring back “thou” so “you” can be plural again? Or is this part of the Quebecois plot to force everyone to parler en français donc nous pouvons utiliser “vous”? C’est bien, anyway, j’suppose.

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      • chiliedogg@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Fun fact:

        “Thou” and “you” were the same word.

        The “th” sound used to have its own character in written English called the thorn. When typefaces came along, it was excluded and sometimes replaced with a “y.”

        Also why “Ye” and “The” are the same.

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      • Sotuanduso@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Is it bad that I’m more bothered by “j’suppose” than the inclusion of “anyway”?

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      • thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I hear it all the time. I use it sometimes

        -just south of the 49*

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      • deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Well, I’m doing my best to import it into the New Zealand vernacular, we are South of the 49th.

        So, uh, I dunno.

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      • Matthew@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It’s not that it can’t be used elsewhere. We just don’t want Texas to take all the credit.

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    • ilex@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Everyone gets y’all. It fills the dumb gap in English where the plural of you is you. Now if we could only get a singular neutral 3rd for people that isn’t also the plural.

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      • over_clox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        If the plural of goose is geese, then the plural of moose is meese.

        I approve of this message, are y’all with me?

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    • chiliedogg@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      So long as we can still claim “Y’all’d’nt’ve”

      It’s our greatest contribution to the lexicon and extremely efficient.

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      • optissima@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        You can’t, that’s Appalachian territory.

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    • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s also second person plural (or singular), second person is always ungendered.

      First and second person, plural and singular are never gendered: I, you, we, you / y’all / all y’all. The only pronouns that are gendered are the third person singular: he / she / it. Third person plural (they) is also ungendered.

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      • FunctionFn@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        The most common form (at least where I’m from) of second person plural behind “you all (y’all)” is gendered: “you guys”. It’s used in an ungendered way increasingly commonly, but “guy” is still gendered to plenty of English speakers.

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    • CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      As someone who grew up in North Carolina, I agree. Texas might be the first thing some people think of when it comes to “southern” states, but it doesn’t get exclusive claim to the quirks of the whole region

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      • 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I have never thought of Texas as southern (yes, I know they’re the south-most state). Western movies were in Texas, so Texas is western (don’t judge my very clearly faulty logic). South Carolina is south for sure. Georgia. Mississippi and Alabama are no brainers. But Texas? That’s where western cowboys live… sorry… cowyalls.

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  • bustrpoindextr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Y’all is not Texan. Y’all is Southern and Texas is Southern wannabe.

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    • PP_BOY_@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Texas is a southern wannabee

      See also: Florida.

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    • tsonfeir@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Stranger, I hope you can beat a full house.

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      • remotelove@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        If you use both hands, it’ll take half as long.

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    • Talkurt@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      As a Texan we are not southern ;)

      We are sort of western. But yea too late to the party to be southern imo.

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    • Astroturfed@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You mean it has a several well developed left wing voting cities between the huge stretches of backwater redneck hellscapes? I’d love to know what makes Texas not southern…

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      • SCB@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Texas is a Southwest state that identifies as Southern, making all of Texas inherently woke

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      • bustrpoindextr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        By that logic Pennsylvania is Southern…

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    • ilex@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Who cares? Like really.

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  • nednobbins@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “You” is also ungendered. There seems to be a common idea that English is missing a second person plural. We have one, it’s “you”. We just stopped using the second person singular. That’s what all those variations of “thee, thou, thy” etc were.

    “Y’all” would be a superpluralization. If that’s still not enough we also have the ultraplural form of, “all y’all”

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    • pythonoob@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Y’all is exclusive. All y’all is inclusive.

      If I walk into a party in a house and a group of my friends are there and I say ‘what are y’all doing here?’, I’m only talking to my friends.

      If I walk into my own house and there’s a party there and I say ‘what are all y’all doing here?’ I’m addressing everyone of the hoodlums in my house.

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      • gmtom@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Getting pressed enough about a single downvote to make an edit is cringe.

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      • chakan2@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I was one of the downvotes. Clusivity, as described in your article does not apply to y’all. It’s You All…it will never include the speaker.

        It’d have to be something like w’all to apply.

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      • Art3sian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        We’re very inclusive and in Australia also.

        ‘G’day you bunch of cunts’ means hello to everyone male, female, known and unknown.

        We’re very polite over here.

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      • nednobbins@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yeah. We mostly think of grammatical number as a simple choice of singular vs plural but that’s not what we do in real life.

        We generally have multiple labels that describe the concept of progressively expanding circles of what’s included when we think of ourselves.

        There’s the very narrow sense of I/me/myself. We have various expansions around us/all’y’all. Jamaicans have the phrase “I and I” which focuses on the individual but explicitly calls out the connection with others.

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    • _g_be@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      All y’all’s “all y’all” for all and for y’all

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    • jasondj@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      In New England (the best England), we have “youse”.

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      • nednobbins@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        We also have “Ya’” where we elide the entire ending and you need to determine plural vs singular from context. For example, “Ya’ can’t get thea, les’ ya been there befoa.”

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  • phoneymouse@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That’s why conservatives have started to say yim’all and yer’all in order needlessly gender the expression. Can’t believe these folks sometimes.

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    • GlendatheGayWitch@lib.lgbt ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Really? I’ve never heard that and I’m in Texas

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    • theboomr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Wait, like, for real?

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      • pythonoob@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Sounds made up to me

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    • DarkDiamondK@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Literally never heard that and I live in texas

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  • netburnr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Bless your heart

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    • remotelove@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Thems fighting words.

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      • netburnr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Darn tootin

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  • Vaginal_blood_fart@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s actually a contraction from old English or Scots and has been around since 1631. The hicks are using socialist words that aren’t theirs.

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    • totallynotarobot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      *ain’t theirs

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      • ilex@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        You uncultured swine. Ain’t is a contraction of am not. Am only goes with I. I ain’t going to accept illiteracy.

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    • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      (the South had a significant surge of Scottish immigrants)

      (They’re a fuckin “liberal” monarchy.)

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  • Steve0Greatness@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
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    • geogle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s the rest of the Linux desktop, Y’all.

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      • slazer2au@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Every year since 2006

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    • ShortFuse@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Y’ALL actually stands for Yet Another Linux Lauding

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    • fox_the_apprentice@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      something something Arch BTW

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  • ilex@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    y’all is second person plural. First and Second person aren’t gendered. Therefore, I is also woke

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    • Asafum@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      OMG yes! We must make this a thing, make the right speak in caveman to fit their troglodyte nature! Lol

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  • mycroft@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Y’all is the best pronoun.

    It’s second person can be used singular or plural, and you the difference is all contextual.

    It’s ungendered and it’s makes almost anything feel “more fun.”

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  • Tandybaum@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    y’all means all

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    • Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      What state is this?

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      • BigDiction@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        North Carolina

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  • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Y’all was created to serve a completely artificial problem.

    English has second person singular pronouns, but for some dumbfuck reason we’ve deprecated them. It’s still maintained in the standard for compatibility with legacy literature but not recommended for new works. If thou talk’st this way, thy speech comes off as archaic/shakesperian/biblical. So we use the second person plural for everything. But this removes the ability to encode context on how many thou art addressing. “You! Go put that fire out.” Are you talking to an individual in a group or the whole group?

    So the American south turned “you” into the singular form and invented “you all” contracted to “y’all” for the plural form.

    Now we just need to fix the first person plural problem, ie “We’ve just won the lottery!” Does “we” include the listener, or not? English doesn’t encode that information; “we” don’t have different words for “myself the speaker and the listener(s) and perhaps others” and “Myself the speaker, others, but not the listener.”

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  • Hazdaz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If y’all spent as much time and energy on useless pronouns as y’all spent on advocating for universal healthcare, y’all could have gotten that last doctor visit paid for by y’alls gob’ment and not having to dip into y’alls savings.

    Y’all need to check your priorities.

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  • gongonzabarfarbin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Y’all Texans can go to hell for trying to claim y’all.

    • Signed a Louisianan

    P.s. your El Paso 857 sign can go right to hell too.

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  • YoFrodo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    the oldest published “Y’all” was from Richmond Virginia in 1856 in the Southern Literary Messenger

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  • Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    For those of you who aren’t woke yet, I just made a fresh pot of coffee.

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  • Wereduck@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I started using y’all years ago due to its ungenderedness, in part from being in queer spaces. Walking into a room of trans women and enbies and saying “you guys” felt weird.

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  • Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The onlie trans community uses y’all a lot. And howdy and haiii :3

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  • epigone@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “language is the universal whore that i must make into a virgin”

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  • electrogamerman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    From now on, my pronouns are yall

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  • twelvefloatinghands@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s also a good substitute for “you guys”

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  • PrettyBlackDress@lemdit.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yall need to chill

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  • fubo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Y’all oughtta distinguish “y’all” from “all y’all”.

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  • db2@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Did you just assume my nongender?

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  • Rusticus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The definition of woke: “the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them.”

    -Ron DeSantis chief counsel

    Anyone that would argue woke is bad is a racist, sexist, bigot

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  • kinther@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I actually have been using y’all in this manner for about a decade. I found some women didn’t appreciate being called “you guys” when I addressed a group of people.

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  • danknodes@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Checkmate, nobody

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  • 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You lot? I use you lot in place of y’all, because I can’t bring myself to contract you and all together.

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  • pastermil@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m not even in America amd I use y’all. So it’s clearly not Texan.

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