Was this post designed to offend all non Texan southerners
The mist Texan of all expressions - Y'All - is ungendered and therefore woke
Submitted 9 months ago by tissek@ttrpg.network to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
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camr_on@lemmy.world 9 months ago
MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Oh! Oh! Lemmy try! Lemmy try!
Ahem.
“Beans do not belong in chili.”
escapesamsara@discuss.online 9 months ago
Ya’ll better watch out now y’hear? We don take kindly to that kind’a hate speech ‘round these parts. Equal weight beans and beef, you skimp out either and yain’t fixin’ chili; you might’ina even be inclined to leave for everyone’s sake.
camr_on@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Bless your heart 😒😒
SolarNialamide@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Where in the world do you not put beans in chili? That’s literally the point of chili. Is this an American thing I’m too European to understand?
30mag@lemmy.world 9 months ago
If you’re trying to piss someone off, you would say “Beans belong in chili.”
People who think it’s ok to put beans in chili don’t really care what you put in chili. You’re not going to upset them.
On the other hand, people who believe that beans don’t belong in chili…
w00tabaga@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Idk but if so, mission accomplished I guess
Tandybaum@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I am untethered and my rage knows no bounds
BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 9 months ago
I refuse to accept Texas’ claim on y’all. Its a word collectively owned by everyone south of the mason-dixon line and I will fight to the death over this.
Signed, floridaman
Intralexical@lemmy.world 9 months ago
…Am I not allowed to use “y’all”, north of the 49th parallel? Do we have to bring back “thou” so “you” can be plural again? Or is this part of the Quebecois plot to force everyone to parler en français donc nous pouvons utiliser “vous”? C’est bien, anyway, j’suppose.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Fun fact:
“Thou” and “you” were the same word.
The “th” sound used to have its own character in written English called the thorn. When typefaces came along, it was excluded and sometimes replaced with a “y.”
Also why “Ye” and “The” are the same.
Sotuanduso@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Is it bad that I’m more bothered by “j’suppose” than the inclusion of “anyway”?
thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 9 months ago
I hear it all the time. I use it sometimes
-just south of the 49*
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 9 months ago
Well, I’m doing my best to import it into the New Zealand vernacular, we are South of the 49th.
So, uh, I dunno.
Matthew@programming.dev 9 months ago
It’s not that it can’t be used elsewhere. We just don’t want Texas to take all the credit.
ilex@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Everyone gets y’all. It fills the dumb gap in English where the plural of you is you. Now if we could only get a singular neutral 3rd for people that isn’t also the plural.
over_clox@lemmy.world 9 months ago
If the plural of goose is geese, then the plural of moose is meese.
I approve of this message, are y’all with me?
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 9 months ago
So long as we can still claim “Y’all’d’nt’ve”
It’s our greatest contribution to the lexicon and extremely efficient.
optissima@lemmy.world 9 months ago
You can’t, that’s Appalachian territory.
merc@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
It’s also second person plural (or singular), second person is always ungendered.
First and second person, plural and singular are never gendered: I, you, we, you / y’all / all y’all. The only pronouns that are gendered are the third person singular: he / she / it. Third person plural (they) is also ungendered.
FunctionFn@feddit.nl 9 months ago
The most common form (at least where I’m from) of second person plural behind “you all (y’all)” is gendered: “you guys”. It’s used in an ungendered way increasingly commonly, but “guy” is still gendered to plenty of English speakers.
CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 9 months ago
As someone who grew up in North Carolina, I agree. Texas might be the first thing some people think of when it comes to “southern” states, but it doesn’t get exclusive claim to the quirks of the whole region
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 9 months ago
I have never thought of Texas as southern (yes, I know they’re the south-most state). Western movies were in Texas, so Texas is western (don’t judge my very clearly faulty logic). South Carolina is south for sure. Georgia. Mississippi and Alabama are no brainers. But Texas? That’s where western cowboys live… sorry… cowyalls.
bustrpoindextr@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Y’all is not Texan. Y’all is Southern and Texas is Southern wannabe.
PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Texas is a southern wannabee
See also: Florida.
tsonfeir@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Stranger, I hope you can beat a full house.
remotelove@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
If you use both hands, it’ll take half as long.
Talkurt@reddthat.com 9 months ago
As a Texan we are not southern ;)
We are sort of western. But yea too late to the party to be southern imo.
Astroturfed@lemmy.world 9 months ago
You mean it has a several well developed left wing voting cities between the huge stretches of backwater redneck hellscapes? I’d love to know what makes Texas not southern…
SCB@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Texas is a Southwest state that identifies as Southern, making all of Texas inherently woke
bustrpoindextr@lemmy.world 9 months ago
By that logic Pennsylvania is Southern…
ilex@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Who cares? Like really.
nednobbins@lemm.ee 9 months ago
“You” is also ungendered. There seems to be a common idea that English is missing a second person plural. We have one, it’s “you”. We just stopped using the second person singular. That’s what all those variations of “thee, thou, thy” etc were.
“Y’all” would be a superpluralization. If that’s still not enough we also have the ultraplural form of, “all y’all”
pythonoob@programming.dev 9 months ago
Y’all is exclusive. All y’all is inclusive.
If I walk into a party in a house and a group of my friends are there and I say ‘what are y’all doing here?’, I’m only talking to my friends.
If I walk into my own house and there’s a party there and I say ‘what are all y’all doing here?’ I’m addressing everyone of the hoodlums in my house.
gmtom@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Getting pressed enough about a single downvote to make an edit is cringe.
chakan2@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I was one of the downvotes. Clusivity, as described in your article does not apply to y’all. It’s You All…it will never include the speaker.
It’d have to be something like w’all to apply.
Art3sian@lemmy.world 9 months ago
We’re very inclusive and in Australia also.
‘G’day you bunch of cunts’ means hello to everyone male, female, known and unknown.
We’re very polite over here.
nednobbins@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Yeah. We mostly think of grammatical number as a simple choice of singular vs plural but that’s not what we do in real life.
We generally have multiple labels that describe the concept of progressively expanding circles of what’s included when we think of ourselves.
There’s the very narrow sense of I/me/myself. We have various expansions around us/all’y’all. Jamaicans have the phrase “I and I” which focuses on the individual but explicitly calls out the connection with others.
_g_be@lemmy.world 9 months ago
All y’all’s “all y’all” for all and for y’all
jasondj@ttrpg.network 9 months ago
In New England (the best England), we have “youse”.
nednobbins@lemm.ee 9 months ago
We also have “Ya’” where we elide the entire ending and you need to determine plural vs singular from context. For example, “Ya’ can’t get thea, les’ ya been there befoa.”
phoneymouse@lemmy.world 9 months ago
That’s why conservatives have started to say yim’all and yer’all in order needlessly gender the expression. Can’t believe these folks sometimes.
GlendatheGayWitch@lib.lgbt 9 months ago
Really? I’ve never heard that and I’m in Texas
DarkDiamondK@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Literally never heard that and I live in texas
netburnr@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Bless your heart
remotelove@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
Thems fighting words.
netburnr@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Darn tootin
Vaginal_blood_fart@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
It’s actually a contraction from old English or Scots and has been around since 1631. The hicks are using socialist words that aren’t theirs.
totallynotarobot@lemmy.world 9 months ago
*ain’t theirs
ilex@lemmy.world 9 months ago
You uncultured swine. Ain’t is a contraction of am not. Am only goes with I. I ain’t going to accept illiteracy.
DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 9 months ago
(the South had a significant surge of Scottish immigrants)
(They’re a fuckin “liberal” monarchy.)
Steve0Greatness@lemmy.world 9 months ago
[deleted]geogle@lemmy.world 9 months ago
It’s the rest of the Linux desktop, Y’all.
slazer2au@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Every year since 2006
ShortFuse@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Y’ALL actually stands for Yet Another Linux Lauding
fox_the_apprentice@lemmynsfw.com 9 months ago
something something Arch BTW
ilex@lemmy.world 9 months ago
y’all is second person plural. First and Second person aren’t gendered. Therefore, I is also woke
Asafum@feddit.nl 9 months ago
OMG yes! We must make this a thing, make the right speak in caveman to fit their troglodyte nature! Lol
mycroft@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Y’all is the best pronoun.
It’s second person can be used singular or plural, and you the difference is all contextual.
It’s ungendered and it’s makes almost anything feel “more fun.”
Tandybaum@lemmy.world 9 months ago
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Y’all was created to serve a completely artificial problem.
English has second person singular pronouns, but for some dumbfuck reason we’ve deprecated them. It’s still maintained in the standard for compatibility with legacy literature but not recommended for new works. If thou talk’st this way, thy speech comes off as archaic/shakesperian/biblical. So we use the second person plural for everything. But this removes the ability to encode context on how many thou art addressing. “You! Go put that fire out.” Are you talking to an individual in a group or the whole group?
So the American south turned “you” into the singular form and invented “you all” contracted to “y’all” for the plural form.
Now we just need to fix the first person plural problem, ie “We’ve just won the lottery!” Does “we” include the listener, or not? English doesn’t encode that information; “we” don’t have different words for “myself the speaker and the listener(s) and perhaps others” and “Myself the speaker, others, but not the listener.”
Hazdaz@lemmy.world 9 months ago
If y’all spent as much time and energy on useless pronouns as y’all spent on advocating for universal healthcare, y’all could have gotten that last doctor visit paid for by y’alls gob’ment and not having to dip into y’alls savings.
Y’all need to check your priorities.
gongonzabarfarbin@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Y’all Texans can go to hell for trying to claim y’all.
- Signed a Louisianan
P.s. your El Paso 857 sign can go right to hell too.
YoFrodo@lemmy.world 9 months ago
the oldest published “Y’all” was from Richmond Virginia in 1856 in the Southern Literary Messenger
Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 9 months ago
For those of you who aren’t woke yet, I just made a fresh pot of coffee.
Wereduck@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 months ago
I started using y’all years ago due to its ungenderedness, in part from being in queer spaces. Walking into a room of trans women and enbies and saying “you guys” felt weird.
Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 months ago
The onlie trans community uses y’all a lot. And howdy and haiii :3
epigone@lemmy.world 9 months ago
“language is the universal whore that i must make into a virgin”
electrogamerman@lemmy.world 9 months ago
From now on, my pronouns are yall
twelvefloatinghands@lemmy.world 9 months ago
It’s also a good substitute for “you guys”
PrettyBlackDress@lemdit.com 9 months ago
Yall need to chill
fubo@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Y’all oughtta distinguish “y’all” from “all y’all”.
db2@sopuli.xyz 9 months ago
Did you just assume my nongender?
Rusticus@lemmy.world 9 months ago
The definition of woke: “the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them.”
-Ron DeSantis chief counsel
Anyone that would argue woke is bad is a racist, sexist, bigot
kinther@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I actually have been using y’all in this manner for about a decade. I found some women didn’t appreciate being called “you guys” when I addressed a group of people.
danknodes@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
Checkmate, nobody
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 9 months ago
You lot? I use you lot in place of y’all, because I can’t bring myself to contract you and all together.
pastermil@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
I’m not even in America amd I use y’all. So it’s clearly not Texan.
DharmaCurious@startrek.website 9 months ago
Texas does not have a monopoly on y’all. Y’all is collective, both as a noun, and as ownership. Y’all is Southern for Comrade.
DrQuint@lemm.ee 9 months ago
W’all
DharmaCurious@startrek.website 9 months ago
And poetry isn’t always literal.
30mag@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Comrade isn’t plural.
nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 9 months ago
Y’all isn’t necessarily plural either.