That one time when he made cheese and it broke the ship

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• Apeman42@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Fuck that. Neelix was heart of Voyager. Someone had to remind them to live on their way back to their lives.

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  • kieron115@startrek.website ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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    • apftwb@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Associate Producer DAN SCHNEIDER

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  • dharmacurious@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Straight up. I love my weird little Adderall-fueled space Hobbit. He rocks. And that episode where he dies and then worries about the afterlife? One of my favorites during my first run!

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• thorhop@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Oh come on! Not a compelling story? He’s a space scavenger, his people are nomadic because OF GENOCIDE, who are wandering space in search of a new home.

  He’s an ex-soldier, ex-criminal, who can’t quite come to terms with his past because he wants to be morally and ethically good, he has SEVERE “people pleaser” issues and tries to be everyone’s friend - BUT is not so weak that he can’t fight or stand up for himself or his friends. He’s multi talented, but doesn’t always know when to reign it in and he serves as a motivational character for the Voyager crew who are lost in space – and actually does a good job of it!!

  This is the character of our generation. Wtf do you mean “not a compelling story”?

  Bad acting? Actually agree, but you can also say that it’s the mannerisms of his people, because it seems to be a mainstay that they are all sort of “whimsical forest creatures” - for lack of better terms - which could be a writeoff in terms of acting.

  But Neelix is just so endearing to me. To see how Tuvok struggles to understand him or even accept him - being the “LoGiCaL VuLCaN” that he is - is just one of those Star Trek duos that’s up there with Bashir and Garek, Kirk and Spock, etc.

  He might not be everyone’s cup of tea, but a bad character, bad story? That’s boulderdash. Now cut a little jig and make a pot of space weavels - bring some light into your friends life, you low energy having, negative nancy ass bastards.

  Be like Neelix.

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  • DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Still no

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    • thorhop@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      “bitches”, is what I assume is the end of that sentence. You bring shame to Jonathan Frakes.

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  • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Balderdash* no boulders were harmed.

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  • chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Bashir and Garek, Kirk and Spock

    How about Quark and Odo? I love both of these stick-in-the-mud cop vs lovable rogue duos!

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    • kieron115@startrek.website ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Quark and Odo <3

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  • tomenzgg@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I wouldn’t say it’s bad acting? It seems right in line with an anxious people-pleaser who doesn’t know when to quit. I thought he was spot on.

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  • RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    But he is so goddamn unbelievably annoying.

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• cramola@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I feel like the more ridiculous a neelix plotline, the better. Cheese premise all the way. Could have gone further with it tho. Maybe the cheese bacteria become horrendously infectious and produce a disgusting disease that incapacitates the crew. Bring that shit into DS9 Ferengi or TNG Q episodes of goof level wackery. I feel like his character was intended to fill a similar niche but they never made him into the chaos goblin he should have been.

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  • cramola@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Neelix is immune to the cheese infection of course because he’s been eating his own experiments for a while and we get a Neelix-Doctor teamup to save people from the disease. But not before most of the crew turns into an infection vomiting mess of cheese zombies. Neelix gets to show expertise and care in the recovery of his crewmates, as well as regret/pathos for wielding his dangerous culinary powers with abandon

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  • atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s because he was actually intended to be the breakout character. (page 22)

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    • kieron115@startrek.website ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I didn’t know that Ethan Phillips did that performance while being effectively blind and deaf. Impressive!

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  • kieron115@startrek.website ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Now I’m imagining if they had somehow managed to cast Robin Williams (RIP) as Neelix!

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  • DreamAccountant@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Voyager cultivates the bio-neural cheese, making the smartest and most delicious cheese in the Delta Quadrant.

    Cheese sales used for diplomacy, barter, and bribes. All Delta Quadrant species like this cheese.

    Janeway, recognizing the power of the cheese to get home quickly, looks at a nutrient rich nebula in wonder saying “There’s cheese in that nebula!”

    Bio-neural cheese easily defeats borg nanos in one-on-one nano deathmatches. Whole borg cubes left disconnected and smelling of cheese.

    Neelix makes a fondue that becomes sentient for a few days. Janeway establishes diplomatic relations with the cheese.

    Voyager gets home in 3 years, with borg defeated. Multiple successful diplomatic first contacts, and trade deals. Dramatic increase in all cheese related technology, and basic civil cheese rights across the Federation.

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• usernamefactory@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I know you don’t really mean that, Mr. Vulcan!

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  • kieron115@startrek.website ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Tuvok would never admit it but they’re secretly besties.

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    • TerrabyteMarx@quokk.au ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Tuvok danced for him on the last episode

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• Donebrach@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The thing about Voyager is all the characters kinda suck but all the actors portraying them were pretty fucking great. Excellent cast; film school writing.

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  • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Howling Mad Murdock’s character didn’t suck.

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    • kieron115@startrek.website ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Oh, wow, I used to watch the a-team whenever it would come on at work (overnight office job) but I never even noticed that it’s the same guy who plays Barclay! So he’s just a little bit crazy in all his roles.

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• I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Tom Paris is the worst character on Voyager, fight me.

  If you took a spoiled 6 year old from the 1950’s and suddenly turned him into an adult, that child would be Tom Paris. He’s overly childish, and not in a cute way. He character has practically zero depth. He’s like Wesley Crusher if Wesley was an idiot.

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  • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Tom Paris was a pseudonym. His real name was Nick Lacarno and he got kicked out of the academy while Westley Crusher was there.

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    • chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      A pseudonym cleverly concocted to avoid paying royalties to Naren Shankar, the writer of TNG 5x19: The First Duty, who was let go after TNG finished its run.

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    • milkisklim@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Lower decks squashed that theory.

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    • FrChazzz@lemmus.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Like Boimler, I don’t see the resemblance between the two.

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  • InputZero@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah it’s like they were going to give him a strong character arc by showing him growing up side by side with Harry Kim… But then the writers forgot to actually grow their characters. So they’re just children the whole time.

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  • Apeman42@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    He’s also responsible for all the awful Captain Proton episodes that I always skip.

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    • I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yep, that’s one of the main reasons I compare him to a 6 year old from the 1950’s.

      Tom Paris is the kind of character that would sleep in a racecar bed and think it made him cool.

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  • UPGRAYEDD@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The thing i do like about tom, is that hes a pilot, and wants to be a pilot. Making a hot rod shuttle, building old muscle cars on the holodeck. Wanting to enter a star race… just wants to go fast.

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  • funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “if” doing a lot of heavy lifting there

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  • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Wesley Crush is already really shallow character like the rest of tng

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  • cuchi@startrek.website ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “Yes mam.”

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  • HatchetHaro@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    tom paris is imo easily the most forgettable character amongst the main cast

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    • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Not while Chakotay exists.

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    • RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Only because Neelix and Harry are so fucking annoying, they’re impossible to forget.

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  • locahosr443@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Only near the end of the Voyager game did I realise there was a tab for tom paris logs, I’d gone the whole game missing them. What a pleasant discovery that was.

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• kieron115@startrek.website ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  In another world we would have had Robert Picardo as Neelix. That’s the role he initially auditioned for!

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  • dalekcaan@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I want a version where he plays Neelix but his character is otherwise unchanged

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    • ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Please state the nature of the culinary emergency

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  • Routhinator@startrek.website ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Robert Picardo ended up exactly where he was needed.

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    • rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      “Please state the nature of the acting emergency.”

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    • Newsteinleo@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Robert Picardo even says this

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  • RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Holy shit, I was imagining Robert Beltran at first, and nearly died.

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  • toynbee@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    He should have played Picard.

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    • kieron115@startrek.website ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Ah yes, Captain Robert Picard.

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• aaaa@piefed.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Am I the only one who appreciates Ethan Phillips and acting the way he was written?

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  • grue@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m not a fan of Neelix, but I don’t think what was wrong with him was necessarily Ethan Phillips’ fault.

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  • kieron115@startrek.website ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    He was in a short lived show called Avenue 5 which I can only describe as “The Love Boat” in space. And he was hilarious! youtu.be/CUVFAgwdfEQ

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    • TipRing@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      He was also briefly in the Alec Baldwin film The Shadow. I was rewatching it recently and was like “No, Neelix! Don’t do it!”

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    • FrChazzz@lemmus.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Avenue 5 was taken from us too soon. I’m just glad that we got to see douchey-Josh-Gad sorta reprise his role in Wonder Man.

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• kablez@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I find Neelix really difficult to watch in the early seasons. His stubborn attitude, jealousy and overall inappropriate relationship with Kez… Makes me sick to me stomach watching him.

  Context: I am biased. I’ve been underage and been with men like Neelix. They are pathetic, narcissistic and not worth anyone’s time.

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  • kieron115@startrek.website ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Naw you aren’t wrong, he is possessive to a fault. But lets blame the writers for that and not the character.

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    • Zorque@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If we’re going to keep bringing up a literal age of the Ocampa as though it’s some gotcha we should also mention they never reach an age we’d consider adult. Most of them die before they even become teens.

      We could blame the writers, or we could blame the puritanical mouth breathers who’d rather virtue signal their disgust at the mere concept of pedophilia rather than over the very real problems of child abuse and rape.

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  • BillyClark@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    In the early seasons, I couldn’t figure out how the fastest ship in the area could travel in one direction and still keep meeting the same people over and over.

    I was too distracted by the insanely nonsensical main storyline to ever worry about Neelix.

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    • applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They kept stopping to fuck around. Stopping on random planets to find food, stopping on random planets to talk with new aliens, stopping at random anomalies to investigate, stopping so Chakote could do some stupid made up ritual.

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• FauxPseudo@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I used to be like this. But after understanding his trauma I grew to tolerate him.

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• JovialSodium@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Huh. Yeah Neelix wasn’t great. Which made me think a little further on it. I wasn’t particularly fond of many of the Voyager crew. For comparison I’m fond of most all the crew from the other shows of roughly the same era, TNG and DS9.

  I liked The Doctor, 7 of 9, Tom Paris, and Ensign Kim. Captain Janeway was a badass and I think Kate Mulgrew’s performance in the role was quite good. But didn’t find the character likeable. I did find her character likeable in those… I want to say two episodes where she played her descendant.

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• BC_viper@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yall haters

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• Omgboom@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  HOW DARE YOU SAY THIS ABOUT NEELIX

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• heyWhatsay@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Still better than jar jar

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• MalikMuaddibSoong@startrek.website ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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• Routhinator@startrek.website ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Neelix is awesome.

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• Archangel1313@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Should be mentioned, that his character was also a pedophile.

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• JcbAzPx@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Neelix is what happens when producers want to force another Quark.

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• lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Haters gone hate

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• cuchi@startrek.website ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I like Nelix plotlines.

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• kshade@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Neelix is a subdued, cerebral character compared to what I’ve seen from the Starfleet Academy show’s trailer.

  Besides, it’s called a mess hall for a reason.

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• taiyang@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  He’s comic relief to counter the rest of the crew, but The Doc does that a thousand times better.

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• artichokecustard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  neelix is super cool, ethan phillips went to the same spiritual center (so cal off-brand buddhism) as i did growing up

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• RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I think he could act, but that’s the only part I disagree with.

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• Tiger666@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  He was better on Benson.

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• mavu@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  oh, come on, if you lower your humour threshold enough, it was a fun addition to the show!

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• Wataba@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  We found SFDebris.

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