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That one time when he made cheese and it broke the ship

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  • Apeman42@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Fuck that. Neelix was heart of Voyager. Someone had to remind them to live on their way back to their lives.

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    • kieron115@startrek.website ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

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      • apftwb@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Associate Producer DAN SCHNEIDER

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    • dharmacurious@slrpnk.net ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Straight up. I love my weird little Adderall-fueled space Hobbit. He rocks. And that episode where he dies and then worries about the afterlife? One of my favorites during my first run!

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  • thorhop@sopuli.xyz ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Oh come on! Not a compelling story? He’s a space scavenger, his people are nomadic because OF GENOCIDE, who are wandering space in search of a new home.

    He’s an ex-soldier, ex-criminal, who can’t quite come to terms with his past because he wants to be morally and ethically good, he has SEVERE “people pleaser” issues and tries to be everyone’s friend - BUT is not so weak that he can’t fight or stand up for himself or his friends. He’s multi talented, but doesn’t always know when to reign it in and he serves as a motivational character for the Voyager crew who are lost in space – and actually does a good job of it!!

    This is the character of our generation. Wtf do you mean “not a compelling story”?

    Bad acting? Actually agree, but you can also say that it’s the mannerisms of his people, because it seems to be a mainstay that they are all sort of “whimsical forest creatures” - for lack of better terms - which could be a writeoff in terms of acting.

    But Neelix is just so endearing to me. To see how Tuvok struggles to understand him or even accept him - being the “LoGiCaL VuLCaN” that he is - is just one of those Star Trek duos that’s up there with Bashir and Garek, Kirk and Spock, etc.

    He might not be everyone’s cup of tea, but a bad character, bad story? That’s boulderdash. Now cut a little jig and make a pot of space weavels - bring some light into your friends life, you low energy having, negative nancy ass bastards.

    Be like Neelix.

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    • DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Still no

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    • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Balderdash* no boulders were harmed.

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    • chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Bashir and Garek, Kirk and Spock

      How about Quark and Odo? I love both of these stick-in-the-mud cop vs lovable rogue duos!

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      • kieron115@startrek.website ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Quark and Odo <3

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  • Donebrach@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The thing about Voyager is all the characters kinda suck but all the actors portraying them were pretty fucking great. Excellent cast; film school writing.

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  • I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Tom Paris is the worst character on Voyager, fight me.

    If you took a spoiled 6 year old from the 1950’s and suddenly turned him into an adult, that child would be Tom Paris. He’s overly childish, and not in a cute way. He character has practically zero depth. He’s like Wesley Crusher if Wesley was an idiot.

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    • funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      “if” doing a lot of heavy lifting there

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    • Apeman42@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      He’s also responsible for all the awful Captain Proton episodes that I always skip.

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      • I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Yep, that’s one of the main reasons I compare him to a 6 year old from the 1950’s.

        Tom Paris is the kind of character that would sleep in a racecar bed and think it made him cool.

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    • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Tom Paris was a pseudonym. His real name was Nick Lacarno and he got kicked out of the academy while Westley Crusher was there.

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      • FrChazzz@lemmus.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        Like Boimler, I don’t see the resemblance between the two.

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      • chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        A pseudonym cleverly concocted to avoid paying royalties to Naren Shankar, the writer of TNG 5x19: The First Duty, who was let go after TNG finished its run.

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      • milkisklim@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Lower decks squashed that theory.

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    • InputZero@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah it’s like they were going to give him a strong character arc by showing him growing up side by side with Harry Kim… But then the writers forgot to actually grow their characters. So they’re just children the whole time.

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    • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Wesley Crush is already really shallow character like the rest of tng

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  • usernamefactory@lemmy.ca ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I know you don’t really mean that, Mr. Vulcan!

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    • kieron115@startrek.website ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Tuvok would never admit it but they’re secretly besties.

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      • TerrabyteMarx@quokk.au ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Tuvok danced for him on the last episode

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  • Omgboom@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    HOW DARE YOU SAY THIS ABOUT NEELIX

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  • cramola@sh.itjust.works ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I feel like the more ridiculous a neelix plotline, the better. Cheese premise all the way. Could have gone further with it tho. Maybe the cheese bacteria become horrendously infectious and produce a disgusting disease that incapacitates the crew. Bring that shit into DS9 Ferengi or TNG Q episodes of goof level wackery. I feel like his character was intended to fill a similar niche but they never made him into the chaos goblin he should have been.

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    • cramola@sh.itjust.works ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Neelix is immune to the cheese infection of course because he’s been eating his own experiments for a while and we get a Neelix-Doctor teamup to save people from the disease. But not before most of the crew turns into an infection vomiting mess of cheese zombies. Neelix gets to show expertise and care in the recovery of his crewmates, as well as regret/pathos for wielding his dangerous culinary powers with abandon

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    • atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      That’s because he was actually intended to be the breakout character. (page 22)

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      • kieron115@startrek.website ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I didn’t know that Ethan Phillips did that performance while being effectively blind and deaf. Impressive!

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    • DreamAccountant@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Voyager cultivates the bio-neural cheese, making the smartest and most delicious cheese in the Delta Quadrant.

      Cheese sales used for diplomacy, barter, and bribes. All Delta Quadrant species like this cheese.

      Janeway, recognizing the power of the cheese to get home quickly, looks at a nutrient rich nebula in wonder saying “There’s cheese in that nebula!”

      Bio-neural cheese easily defeats borg nanos in one-on-one nano deathmatches. Whole borg cubes left disconnected and smelling of cheese.

      Neelix makes a fondue that becomes sentient for a few days. Janeway establishes diplomatic relations with the cheese.

      Voyager gets home in 3 years, with borg defeated. Multiple successful diplomatic first contacts, and trade deals. Dramatic increase in all cheese related technology, and basic civil cheese rights across the Federation.

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    • kieron115@startrek.website ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Now I’m imagining if they had somehow managed to cast Robin Williams (RIP) as Neelix!

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  • kieron115@startrek.website ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    In another world we would have had Robert Picardo as Neelix. That’s the role he initially auditioned for!

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    • toynbee@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      He should have played Picard.

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      • kieron115@startrek.website ⁨54⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        Ah yes, Captain Robert Picard.

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    • Routhinator@startrek.website ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Robert Picardo ended up exactly where he was needed.

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      • rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        “Please state the nature of the acting emergency.”

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      • Newsteinleo@infosec.pub ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Robert Picardo even says this

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    • dalekcaan@feddit.nl ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I want a version where he plays Neelix but his character is otherwise unchanged

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      • ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Please state the nature of the culinary emergency

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  • aaaa@piefed.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Am I the only one who appreciates Ethan Phillips and acting the way he was written?

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    • grue@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’m not a fan of Neelix, but I don’t think what was wrong with him was necessarily Ethan Phillips’ fault.

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    • kieron115@startrek.website ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      He was in a short lived show called Avenue 5 which I can only describe as “The Love Boat” in space. And he was hilarious! youtu.be/CUVFAgwdfEQ

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      • TipRing@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        He was also briefly in the Alec Baldwin film The Shadow. I was rewatching it recently and was like “No, Neelix! Don’t do it!”

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  • MalikMuaddibSoong@startrek.website ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

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  • FauxPseudo@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I used to be like this. But after understanding his trauma I grew to tolerate him.

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    • lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I love the episode where he tries to get a map on the black market and someone dies because of him, all just because he wants to be of use for the crew and is afraid to be thrown out once they enter space he’s not familiar with

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  • Routhinator@startrek.website ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Neelix is awesome.

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  • JovialSodium@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Huh. Yeah Neelix wasn’t great. Which made me think a little further on it. I wasn’t particularly fond of many of the Voyager crew. For comparison I’m fond of most all the crew from the other shows of roughly the same era, TNG and DS9.

    I liked The Doctor, 7 of 9, Tom Paris, and Ensign Kim. Captain Janeway was a badass and I think Kate Mulgrew’s performance in the role was quite good. But didn’t find the character likeable. I did find her character likeable in those… I want to say two episodes where she played her descendant.

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  • kablez@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I find Neelix really difficult to watch in the early seasons. His stubborn attitude, jealousy and overall inappropriate relationship with Kez… Makes me sick to me stomach watching him.

    Context: I am biased. I’ve been underage and been with men like Neelix. They are pathetic, narcissistic and not worth anyone’s time.

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    • kieron115@startrek.website ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Naw you aren’t wrong, he is possessive to a fault. But lets blame the writers for that and not the character.

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      • Zorque@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        If we’re going to keep bringing up a literal age of the Ocampa as though it’s some gotcha we should also mention they never reach an age we’d consider adult. Most of them die before they even become teens.

        We could blame the writers, or we could blame the puritanical mouth breathers who’d rather virtue signal their disgust at the mere concept of pedophilia rather than over the very real problems of child abuse and rape.

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    • BillyClark@piefed.social ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      In the early seasons, I couldn’t figure out how the fastest ship in the area could travel in one direction and still keep meeting the same people over and over.

      I was too distracted by the insanely nonsensical main storyline to ever worry about Neelix.

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      • applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        They kept stopping to fuck around. Stopping on random planets to find food, stopping on random planets to talk with new aliens, stopping at random anomalies to investigate, stopping so Chakote could do some stupid made up ritual.

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  • BC_viper@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yall haters

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  • heyWhatsay@slrpnk.net ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Still better than jar jar

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    • halcyoncmdr@piefed.social ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Darth Jar Jar was the original plan, Lucas changed it after the backlash against the character. He was supposed to be the new trilogy’s foil to the goofy character in a New Hope, Yoda. Lucas has said that he was making the new trilogy rhyme with the original, no other character matches with that initial Yoda introduction. That is also why Grievous and Dooku come out of nowhere despite supposedly being big characters, to fill the gap.

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      • LedgeDrop@lemmy.zip ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Darth Jar Jar was the original plan, Lucas changed it after the backlash against the character.

        Was this ever confirmed? I just thought it was a fan theory.

        That said, if Lucas had actually gone down this path, it would have totally redeemed Jar Jar.

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    • taiyang@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Was literally just thinking this. Star Wars fans had it worse.

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  • Tiger666@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    He was better on Benson.

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  • lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Haters gone hate

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  • Archangel1313@lemmy.ca ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Should be mentioned, that his character was also a pedophile.

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    • kieron115@startrek.website ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Come on, don’t water down that term. For her species she was fully developed. He was a possessive creep but not a pedophile.

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      • Zorque@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It’s not the internet if we don’t make broad generalizations for the sake of moral pseudo-superiority.

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      • Archangel1313@lemmy.ca ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        She was 2 years old.

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    • mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      That’s a big stretch, considering she wouldn’t even be old enough for middle school when she died of old age. She aged faster than a dog. Her entire character was originally developed to give viewers a new perspective on the concept of time. She was portrayed by (and acted as) an adult even though the character was only 2 years old. She was inexperienced and naive due to her age, but that was also largely due to the fact that she (along with her entire race) was kept as part of an uneducated slave society for her entire childhood.

      Neelix was possessive and jealous, (which are perfectly valid criticisms by themselves), but calling him a pedo is difficult. There are several age-related criticisms you could make without resorting to outright pedo accusations. For instance, Neelix appeared to be in his late 20’s/early 30’s (by human standards) when the series started, and Kes was only ~19-20 (again, by human standards). And most people would cringe at seeing a 19 year old dating a 29 year old. So there was a marked age difference between them, even if she was above the age of majority for her race. But again, her character was meant to age extremely quickly. IIRC the writers original concept was for her to age the equivalent of one human year every two or three episodes, but that was scrapped due to the actress developing an allergy for prosthetics, (which meant they wouldn’t have been able to do proper age makeup in the later seasons). So by the time they actually started dating, it’s possible that the relative age gap would have been closer.

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    • taiyang@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      To that point. I recently saw the episode where she goes through puberty prematurely and they talk about having a baby even though her species doesn’t ovulate until 4.

      It’s creepy. It’s hard to pin down because the actress is obviously of age but that episode was gross.

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      • kieron115@startrek.website ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        You know what, we can probably blame Rick Berman for this as well.

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  • taiyang@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    He’s comic relief to counter the rest of the crew, but The Doc does that a thousand times better.

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    • kieron115@startrek.website ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Now imagine if Robert Picardo had gotten the Neelix role like he wanted and Ethan Phillips was cast as the Doctor.

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  • mavu@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    oh, come on, if you lower your humour threshold enough, it was a fun addition to the show!

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  • Wataba@sh.itjust.works ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    We found SFDebris.

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