Windows 12 release date in 2026 possible, with AI features that may force CPU upgrades
Submitted 10 hours ago by commander@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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h_ramus@piefed.social 3 hours ago
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
No it will force operating system upgrades, as people switch to Macos or Linux
rockandsock@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
So they’re going to try to get everyone to buy new hardware when there is a shortage of ram and storage and they are ridiculously overpriced.
The timing of this couldn’t be worse.
Pass the popcorn.
MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 23 minutes ago
“Don’t worry about that, you can just run it in the cloud for an eternal subscription” - Microslop.
T156@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Quite surprised that they are pushing that, seeing as one of the biggest obstacles for Windows 11 getting adopted was that a lot of the existing hardware didn’t support the TPM requirements it put it place.
Doing it again so soon seems like a recipe to make people not want to use 12 at all. After all, Windows 11 works fine for them, why change so soon?
Aqarius@lemmy.world 8 minutes ago
Calling it: win12 will have a thin client cloud hosted SaaS edition, for those who can’t afford new ai-priced hardware.
libffi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 hour ago
everyone switches to alternative OSes any%
lime@feddit.nu 10 hours ago
remember when windows 10 was supposed to be the last os they ever made
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 hours ago
Dude, they’re still struggling with Windows 11 adoption because of the unreasonable requirements of a TPM 2.0 capable motherboard/CPU… and they are asking people to upgrade their CPUs again?
They only started seeing real growth in Windows 11 numbers as of January of this year. Windows 11 finally hit 73% last month while Windows 10 is down to 27%. Linux continues to gain marketshare, and there’s no telling if the reason that Win 11 is finally gaining marketshare is from people dumping Windows entirely for other options. Mac and Chromebook shares have been growing as well! It took them four and a half years from release to break 50% Win 11 adoption and they want to release Win 12 on year five while forcing more upgrades when half the people who got in just upgraded?
This on top of trade wars, actual wars, and an AI arms race that is making buying PC parts obscenely overpriced… and they think people will fucking go for this?
The suits at Microsoft are out of their fucking minds. Even businesses won’t want to upgrade this soon after many only just making upgrades to meet Windows 11 requirements just recently… because businesses are also facing the same increased costs due to the above issues!
The_v@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
The OS desktop environment has stagnated over the past 15 years.
Many businesses have transitioned from a 3-4 year rotation on desktops/laptops to every 5-6 years today. Hell my work laptop is 6 years old and I don’t forsee replacing it for another 3-4 years. For work functions there is no significant improvement to upgrading more frequently today.
So if they launched W12 next year, widespread adoption will likely not occur until 2032-2033 or at the Win11 EOL whichever comes first.
The developers today are working on a system that will not become mainstream for 8+ years. They want to launch in the next 2 years knowing it will not be adopted for years.
They ignoring the reality of today’s market and building to meet the latest fads. It’s Windows 8 all over again.
sns@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 hours ago
Windows 7 was arguably the last OS they ever made.
Brkdncr@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
This line of thought goes all the way back to NT, and even then IBM would have some comments.
DOS was the last one they built, and they made a really decent GUI for it before they switched to NT.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 hours ago
Windows 10 arguably became passable for stability about 3 years after release… but you still had to cut out the advertising bloat, spyware, and all which undermined any gains of stability because that shit was just fucking annoying.
lime@feddit.nu 9 hours ago
wasn’t advertised as such though
Zacryon@feddit.org 6 hours ago
It was certainly the last one that I voluntarily used.
Telodzrum@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
No, because that was a shitty headline that mischaracterized an employee’s one-off statement and was then held up as gospel truth by the internet.
lime@feddit.nu 2 hours ago
it was from a press conference where they said they were done with version numbers and that windows 10 would basically be supported forever. that’s not mischaracterisation
macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
No, that is not what they said. Stop spreading this propaganda.
ugjka@lemmy.ugjka.net 9 hours ago
Yes, like Arch but for windows
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 53 minutes ago
Please do it. And end support for Windows 11 in 2027!
wuffah@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
If you’re not ready to switch to Linux:
Windows 10 Enterprise IoT is supported until 2032, works great, contains almost no bloat, and is free to activate.
9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Be warned though that some installers will yell at you for not having a “compatible version of Windows”. Its rare, but some apps don’t like the enterprise editions.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 1 hour ago
Iv already started seeing games with older versions of BE and EAC say consumer windows 10 isn’t supported any more and not working.
Trying to stay on windows 10 and be a gamer is quickly going to become a nightmare with more compatibility issues then Linux.
D_Air1@lemmy.ml 7 hours ago
My brother used to use enterprise windows 10 until he started having that vary issue with trying to play COD.
tidderuuf@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
I’m banking on the world ending before then. Or I get an incurable cancer. Either way, fuck Microsoft.
floofloof@lemmy.ca 8 hours ago
Or I get an incurable cancer.
So you are planning to upgrade?
lmr0x61@lemmy.ml 9 hours ago
Damn, a somewhat disenshittified Windows that still has support??
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 hours ago
It’s the barest of bones. I use it for one of my consulting machines in the times I’m forced to run windows.
lechekaflan@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Install Linux, Problem Solved.
This is the Year of the Linux Desktop.
BriniaSona@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Can i flawlessly run Photoshop, mine raft java, FFXIV, steam and all games, Media player classic. Music bee without having to deal with work around and terminal garbage as easy as I can windows? No, I thought so, I’ll come back once I can use the things I use daily without an issue and without having to install 6 different things to make stuff work
Ubuntu is neat the few times I used it though.
_g_be@lemmy.world 29 minutes ago
Windows is only “easy” because you’re used to it. Coming to it fresh, windows 11 is such a shit show sometimes.
Minecraft works on Linux,
FFXIV works on Linux (it works on the steam deck which runs Linux, so it will work natively just like in windows),
Steam itself works on Linux just the same.
RalfWausE@feddit.org 2 hours ago
OK, then stay a corpo slave if you chose so
CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Would you also claim the diesel cars are worthless because you can’t use regular gas in them? No, I thought so
Photoshop is trash.
Minecraft works just fine (it’s Java for crying out loud)
Steam works natively. Valve’s most popular hardware device runs Linux.
Media player classic
You want to use a garbage Windows built-in application on Linux?
without having to deal with work around and terminal garbage as easy as I can windows?
Two things here;
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You can get around on Linux without a terminal
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The terminal is king in functionality
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Windows requires a command line for many things also, this isn’t a Linux only thing
If you come to Linux expecting it to work like Windows and run all Windows applications, then you’re setting yourself up for failure with bad-faith expectations.
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kahoodd@reddthat.com 2 hours ago
the thing is that if you are fresh gnu/linux guy there’s usually a store app where you can install software with no problems at all and as you get more familiar with gnu/linux you can start digging that terminal stuff
and those apps you said really sucks…
CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org 1 hour ago
MagicShel@lemmy.zip 5 hours ago
Making windows worse, AI, and forced CPU upgrades in this economy? There really is something for everyone to hate here.
curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 5 hours ago
Yes please!
I could use a few more modern tiny/mini/micros to make into useful Linux boxes.
BromSwolligans@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
They can force this.
The only thing I’m looking forward to more than the collapse of the AI bubble is Microsoft, specifically, eating shit at the hands of a public that doesn’t want, need, or give two shits about them anymore. Just like Intel or whatever your favorite example is, see some fucking titan that thought they were some great titan, only to turn out to be Ozymandias when the whole fucking world looks up at them and shrugs. Like the end of the Truman show when this massive, all-consuming industry of a production comes crashing down in an evening, and the television viewers at home happily shrug and say, “what else is on?”
The word about Linux is out, and, as Snazzy Labs recently pointed out, Macs have accidentally become the best value in new computers. There are excellent non-Windows options for ordinary people who just do everything through a web browser and an office suite, for not much money all over the fucking place, and the day their greed catches up to them and they start to lose real market share is so close I can taste it.
Raptor_007@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
tehn00bi@lemmy.world 59 minutes ago
How much longer will corporate buyers keep taking this?
pHr34kY@lemmy.world 40 minutes ago
The enterprise editions don’t seem to attract all of the bloat that home and pro editions get. I think they know they can’t get away with it.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 5 hours ago
Didn’t they jest release windows 11?
Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Didn’t they once allude to windows 10 being the last windows because no more revisions were necessary
dev_null@lemmy.ml 4 hours ago
No, media did say that at over point, but it was never based on any announcement from Microsoft.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
No, windows 11 has been out for like 5 years now.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 5 hours ago
Oh, well it sucks and I don’t use it.
FireWire400@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
So a forced upgrade again? I don’t understand why people put up with this still, apart from shitty Windows only software and even then, maybe it’s time to try something new that doesn’t fuck you over.
imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 hours ago
I know Lemmy is a Linux echo chamber. But also, I feel like people did actually managed to move to alternative OSes or stay on Win10 cause they were fed up with NoPilot on win11.
Also, once Steam Machine is released, that probably will boost migration to the skies.
stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca 7 hours ago
I’m beginning to think this is all a conspiracy to try to kill Windows because Microsoft doesn’t want to support a desktop OS anymore.
4am@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
This is an excuse to build out AI, wreck the consumer electronics market, and sell us all dumb terminals that connect to their AI cloud, so they can monitor and profile everything everyone does (including enterprise)
Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
It’s Clippy all over again, but with the AI slop it’s now named Drippy.
eldoom@lemmy.ml 4 hours ago
My theory is that all these CEOs in charge of all these companies that are incorporating AI are being gaslit by the AIs. I mean, has anyone ever met an actually strong minded and intelligent CEO? It’s probably really easy.
Baggie@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
I’ve had a similar suspicion actually, but it’s also possible they’re on some incomprehensible level of incompetence.
h54@programming.dev 6 hours ago
To people in the real world, it sure seems like it. I think the people managing the product (middle management on up) live in their corpo bubble so far from reality, they don’t feel/hear or have to deal with actual state of things.
Short term profitability over all else seems to be the mantra.
partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
Are they loosing money on the OS? I don’t believe for a second that the capitalist company chooses less capital. But, maybe they’ve determined there’s more capital in less market share? What’s your theory, exactly?
stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca 6 hours ago
Make it infeasible to run Windows on your personal machines by limiting how long you can use the hardware, but conveniently support it as a cloud vm service that is always guaranteed to work with a monthly subscription.
pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 4 hours ago
I don’t believe for a second that the capitalist company chooses less capital.
But what if it very slightly makes next quarter’s numbers go up? Any future cost might be worth that, after all.
victorz@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
God it feels good to be Windows free by this point.
user28282912@piefed.social 5 hours ago
If vibe-coding is wrecking Windows 11 and Office now … just wait until Windows 12 sees the light of day! Ohhh boy, will that ever be some infinite-monkeys-on-typewriters-shite!
U7826391786239@piefed.zip 9 hours ago
However, newer processors with dedicated Neural Processing Units (NPUs) reduce strain on cloud servers and GPUs. As a result, PCWorld believes that CPUs, including Intel Core Ultra and AMD Ryzen AI chips that support 40 TOPS or more, will become mandatory
in other words, your pc will be doing ai shit for someone else’s pc while you are idle
otacon239@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
They couldn’t afford enough electricity to run it in-house so now they just run a mandated botnet to make you pay for it instead. If this isn’t a page out of a George Orwell novel, it should have been.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
2026 even has newspeak in the form of bullshit like “unalive”
db2@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Didn’t Microsoft try that one before?
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
That’s not at all what that means, nor does it make any sense.
throws_lemy@lemmy.nz 3 hours ago
don’t forget to subscribe to our AI for $$/month, Microslop probably
untorquer@quokk.au 8 hours ago
Windows is already occupying your hardware and network with “telemetry”. I would be surprised if telemetry overhead alone was all that was needed to burden modern hardware and yet when i boot into windows those fans never shut up.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Me: Using 11 year old PC. Originally rjnning Windows 7. Now running ZorinOS.
I don’t particularly like linux, but…
looks at Windows 10…11…now 12…
Yeah, fuck that dumpster fire.
throws_lemy@lemmy.nz 3 hours ago
Congratulations for saving yourself from Winslopshitification
tidderuuf@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
As long as you are not blasting away on random sites downloading every link you see then you are pretty safe. The old days of a hacker getting into your PC because you forgot to update your firewall are kind of gone.
Stanley_Pain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 hours ago
Wrong on a ton of levels.
You can get infected by drive-by malware. It’s actually quite common. Zero interaction required on your part.
devolution@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Fuck that and fuck Microslops pick me CEO.
kurmudgeon@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
I guess I’m no longer ever going to play a video game that runs on Windows. At some point game developers need to realize that Linux is the future of gaming if Windows keeps pulling this shit.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
That’s what Proton is for.
Xyphius@lemmy.ca 6 hours ago
I have 100 or so steam games. Each one that I’ve tried (around 20 so far), all of them work perfectly well on my Linux box.
Deestan@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Proton works great. I now play all my windows-“only” games on Linux.
Not out of principle. I’m just lazy. My coding laptop is always within reach and Proton works. The Windows laptop is, like, way over on the other side of the living room and I don’t feel like spending the evening disabling more ad shit or ai shit or whatever they did to Windows since I used it last.
kurmudgeon@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Except for games that use kernel level anti-cheat.
workgood@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 hours ago
proton is just emulating windows games,it needs windows to exist.
garretble@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Good luck with that shit.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 hours ago
atrielienz@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
CPU upgrades? What CPU’s? Are the CPU’s in the Microcenter with us, Microsoft? Can you show us on the shelf where the mystical CPU’s are?
Is the shortage a mirage? Our imagination?
xep@discuss.online 7 hours ago
This is capitalism manifest?
edgemaster72@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
And you sir, is your motherboard socket waiting to receive my CPU?
forgetful_fox@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Upgrade? In this economy?!?
throws_lemy@lemmy.nz 4 hours ago
Micrslop wants you to support nVidia and RAM manufacturers
Maiq@piefed.social 9 hours ago
So I’ve got a wacky conspiracy theory about this and all the hardware shortages, ai datacenters, etc. The tech companies are trying to position themselves for “cloud only computing devices” being the only affordable option for most people. The you’ll own nothing and like it model.
Supervisor194@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
This is their wet dream, but I’ll never participate.
CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 7 hours ago
Ive seen this said a lot here lately, but like, cloud computing still requires computer hardware, so shouldnt an increase in hardware prices make that more expensive as well?
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 2 hours ago
Its not enough for me to see linux do better. Microslop needs to suffer.