If you’re not ready to switch to Linux:
Windows 10 Enterprise IoT is supported until 2032, works great, contains almost no bloat, and is free to activate.
Windows 12 release date in 2026 possible, with AI features that may force CPU upgrades
Submitted 2 weeks ago by commander@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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wuffah@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Be warned though that some installers will yell at you for not having a “compatible version of Windows”. Its rare, but some apps don’t like the enterprise editions.
D_Air1@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
My brother used to use enterprise windows 10 until he started having that vary issue with trying to play COD.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Iv already started seeing games with older versions of BE and EAC say consumer windows 10 isn’t supported any more and not working.
Trying to stay on windows 10 and be a gamer is quickly going to become a nightmare with more compatibility issues then Linux.
kazerniel@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I haven’t experienced this with years of Enterprise use, but back when I was on Win 7 LTSC until its very end, I did get yelled at that my Windows was too old, even if it was still under official support. But then again I suppose devs don’t expect people to try to run games on heart monitors or industrial equipment xd (or whatever else LTSC was intended for)
tidderuuf@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m banking on the world ending before then. Or I get an incurable cancer. Either way, fuck Microsoft.
floofloof@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Or I get an incurable cancer.
So you are planning to upgrade?
lmr0x61@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Damn, a somewhat disenshittified Windows that still has support??
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
It’s the barest of bones. I use it for one of my consulting machines in the times I’m forced to run windows.
h_ramus@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
To shreds you say?
Raptor_007@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
rockandsock@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So they’re going to try to get everyone to buy new hardware when there is a shortage of ram and storage and they are ridiculously overpriced.
The timing of this couldn’t be worse.
Pass the popcorn.
MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
“Don’t worry about that, you can just run it in the cloud for an eternal subscription” - Microslop.
rockandsock@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Or just spend a couple of months of growing pains slowly switching everything over to Linux and spend all that cash on something fun.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
Real men of genius
thorhop@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
It’s probably apart of their internal strategy.
“Look, the consumer doesn’t want to buy hardware anymore… so let’s make Windows a cloud OS only! Subscription model and all! They’ll love that!”
Foreshadowing: we will hate it and either buy Macs or use Linux.
myedition8@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Sloperating System
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Petition to call Microsoft employees Sloppy Joes
U7826391786239@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
However, newer processors with dedicated Neural Processing Units (NPUs) reduce strain on cloud servers and GPUs. As a result, PCWorld believes that CPUs, including Intel Core Ultra and AMD Ryzen AI chips that support 40 TOPS or more, will become mandatory
in other words, your pc will be doing ai shit for someone else’s pc while you are idle
otacon239@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They couldn’t afford enough electricity to run it in-house so now they just run a mandated botnet to make you pay for it instead. If this isn’t a page out of a George Orwell novel, it should have been.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
2026 even has newspeak in the form of bullshit like “unalive”
db2@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Didn’t Microsoft try that one before?
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s not at all what that means, nor does it make any sense.
untorquer@quokk.au 2 weeks ago
Windows is already occupying your hardware and network with “telemetry”. I would be surprised if telemetry overhead alone was all that was needed to burden modern hardware and yet when i boot into windows those fans never shut up.
throws_lemy@lemmy.nz 2 weeks ago
don’t forget to subscribe to our AI for $$/month, Microslop probably
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Its not enough for me to see linux do better. Microslop needs to suffer.
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
I check the stock markets daily just waiting for that fkn line to drop even further.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Me: Using 11 year old PC. Originally rjnning Windows 7. Now running ZorinOS.
I don’t particularly like linux, but…
looks at Windows 10…11…now 12…
Yeah, fuck that dumpster fire.
tidderuuf@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
As long as you are not blasting away on random sites downloading every link you see then you are pretty safe. The old days of a hacker getting into your PC because you forgot to update your firewall are kind of gone.
Stanley_Pain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Wrong on a ton of levels.
You can get infected by drive-by malware. It’s actually quite common. Zero interaction required on your part.
0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Israel liked this comment.
Modern day threats are not always visible like your computer flashing naughty stuff on your screen or overtaking your computer. Those exists but it’s more about surveillance and control of information.
Especially when companies like Google, Apple and Microsoft are in on it. US and Israel probably already get your files, but if you don’t update, Russia, China, and North Korea will probably will set up shop inside your PC.
throws_lemy@lemmy.nz 2 weeks ago
Congratulations for saving yourself from Winslopshitification
brsrklf@jlai.lu 2 weeks ago
One of my 2 PCs already switched to linux because of mandatory TPM 2.0 for windows.
It’s like they want us to leave their ecosystem. Requiring hardware changes in the middle of a major component crisis, one that they are in no small part responsible for, is certainly a choice.
DarkSpectrum@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
when one understands the unified and singular nature of existence, its easier to see how the greed driving the actions of those in power is also the necessary call for others to respond. with the call getting louder and more extreme, many are waking up to the truth of their reality. anyone hoping life will go back to normal will not survive the transformation, only those who embrace change as a necessary growth opportunity to overcome darker element of our collective culture and experience. for example, we all understand the sickness if an individual pedo, but we have yet to fully expose and understand the breadth of the affliction. It will continue to reveal itself like an infected wound that can no longer be ignored and must be treated. so yes, they do want us to leave their platform. It will only cause a better one to be built, and with a purpose beyond individual gain.
brsrklf@jlai.lu 2 weeks ago
I think I’m too sober for this shit.
TerdFerguson@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Brother, I hope so.
oh_@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They haven’t even gotten everyone into 11 yet. They are tossing out another OS? Seems, dare I say, sloppy.
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
They’ve always done this. People are still using XP two decades post release, and a decade past it’s EOL.
MalMen@masto.pt 2 weeks ago
@oh_ @commander it was the same with me, vista, 8... until now was version ok, version shit, version ok again... I suspect it will become version shit from now on... with games working on linux good luck getting the ones that are lefting going back
DokiDokiCT@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’ll take this as a sign to continue converting as many of my friends and family to whichever Linux distro fits them best.
Eggyhead@lemmings.world 2 weeks ago
Honest question. As someone who has used and loved MacOS for many years, what would be the best Linux distro for me?
sploosh@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Stick with MacOS, Apple isn’t shitting the bed nearly as hard as MS(lop). If you really want to switch, Mint is nice as a starter, and Bazzite, while intended for gaming, is mich, much more solid than I expected and is totally usable as a daily driver.
BartyDeCanter@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
For a new user, the most important things are usually a familiar feeling desktop environment, comprehensive default hardware support, and plenty of documentation in case you need it. The most important anti-things are needing to learn a bunch of new concepts right away and needing to use the command line, and experimental things that are know to break regularly.
Since you’re a Mac user, I would suggest KDE over Gnome for a desktop environment. Even though the default Gnome application bar looks very Mac-like and the default bar on KDE looks very windows-like, the rest of the KDE desktop feels much more Mac-like.
For the rest, you will want to use a common distro with a wide user base and a long history targeted at desktop users.
For those reasons, I would suggest either Kubuntu, or Fedora KDE.
pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
elementary os.
originaltnavn@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I would sugest debian, it has the same “just works”-feel to it, and the gnome desktop environment shares some design philosophy with macos. The main downside is that it is often a couple of years behind on software updates. Is this is a dealbreaker, I recommend mint for all, fedora when you need redhat-only software and debian-sid if you feel adventurous.
All that said, if you have a good mac currently, it has the same UNIX-benefits as linux. Using “homebrew” as a package manager and “better touch tool” for the desktop tweaks solves most problems, this is what I do. You may of course want to run linux only software, if this is you then double check if you also need an x86-64 cpu (as opposed to arm) before reinstalling.
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
If you’re used to the UI and UX of Mac OS and not Windows then almost any distro will be rough. There’s Elementary OS that at surface level looks like Mac OS, but then you use the actual Linux programs and they’re just Linux programs.
Kkk2237pl@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I think the most popular one is similar- Ubuntu
Graymouzer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
How can anyone upgrade to a new PC when there is no Ram or hard disks available? This is a crazy time to try to push that.
Skankhunt420@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I think this highlights Microsoft’s inability to connect with its customers even more than the AI and shit.
They really just do not give a shit about the consumer, at all.
Its insane people put up with it on their own personal machines I get for work or whatever.
aReallyCrunchyLeaf@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Microsoft is absolutely fucking deranged just like that freak who’s leading them. Dealing with them as an enterprise customer is a fucking nightmare, their docs suck, their support is adversarial. I fucking hate Microsoft in my bones, so I love when I see them doing submental shit like this to themselves
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They replaced their customer sales people with AI. Then AI decides the best use of hardware is on more AI…
BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
The truth is that you and I are not their customer. The business to business sales are their primary concern, and many companies would be fine forking over a little extra cash for the “AI operating system”.
The average home user is an afterthought.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
The infernal machine devours itself.
Graymouzer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Agreed. I think it has gotten worse over time. Operating systems for consumer PCs are a mature market and they don’t really have commercial rivals. It’s Mac, Windows, or Linux and most people never really consider Linux. So, they use Windows to push their other products and not so much as a product in itself.
apostrofail@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’ll be the one to say it: switch to Linux
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I guess you’ll just need to convert to proprietary cloud services
MagicShel@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Making windows worse, AI, and forced CPU upgrades in this economy? There really is something for everyone to hate here.
0x0@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
You’ll get an affordable dumb terminal with SaaS subscription and ID check.
redsand@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
With what silicon? Every business already invested in upgrades, try to do it again now with RAM as unobtainium? lol, LMAO even.
rmuk@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
For all the people on here quick to mock others for being gullible enough to fall for AI-generated slop, this is embarrassing.
curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 2 weeks ago
Yes please!
I could use a few more modern tiny/mini/micros to make into useful Linux boxes.
lechekaflan@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Install Linux, Problem Solved.
This is the Year of the Linux Desktop.
dhtseany@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
I still have clients refusing to buy Office 365 subscriptions and insist on sticking with their old copies of Office 2016. I’d love to see how Microsoft is gonna convince those cheap fucks that this is the correct path forward. This OS is dead.
garretble@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Good luck with that shit.
stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I’m beginning to think this is all a conspiracy to try to kill Windows because Microsoft doesn’t want to support a desktop OS anymore.
kurmudgeon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I guess I’m no longer ever going to play a video game that runs on Windows. At some point game developers need to realize that Linux is the future of gaming if Windows keeps pulling this shit.
sturmblast@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Well thats a stupid plan. Microsoft has lost r their minds with Windows
victorz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
God it feels good to be Windows free by this point.
T156@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Quite surprised that they are pushing that, seeing as one of the biggest obstacles for Windows 11 getting adopted was that a lot of the existing hardware didn’t support the TPM requirements it put it place.
Doing it again so soon seems like a recipe to make people not want to use 12 at all. After all, Windows 11 works fine for them, why change so soon?
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Didn’t they jest release windows 11?
krimson@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Good, keep killing your own OS and forcing people to alternatives.
I love how short sighted they are.
1984@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Linux.
user28282912@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
If vibe-coding is wrecking Windows 11 and Office now … just wait until Windows 12 sees the light of day! Ohhh boy, will that ever be some infinite-monkeys-on-typewriters-shite!
0x0@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Wasn’t 10 the last windows?
I guess they’re really pushing You’ll own nothing and be happy, soon they’ll sell TMP/SecureBoot-locked dumb terminals for the masses (with id check of course).Maiq@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
So I’ve got a wacky conspiracy theory about this and all the hardware shortages, ai datacenters, etc. The tech companies are trying to position themselves for “cloud only computing devices” being the only affordable option for most people. The you’ll own nothing and like it model.
lime@feddit.nu 2 weeks ago
remember when windows 10 was supposed to be the last os they ever made
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Dude, they’re still struggling with Windows 11 adoption because of the unreasonable requirements of a TPM 2.0 capable motherboard/CPU… and they are asking people to upgrade their CPUs again?
They only started seeing real growth in Windows 11 numbers as of January of this year. Windows 11 finally hit 73% last month while Windows 10 is down to 27%. Linux continues to gain marketshare, and there’s no telling if the reason that Win 11 is finally gaining marketshare is from people dumping Windows entirely for other options. Mac and Chromebook shares have been growing as well! It took them four and a half years from release to break 50% Win 11 adoption and they want to release Win 12 on year five while forcing more upgrades when half the people who got in just upgraded?
This on top of trade wars, actual wars, and an AI arms race that is making buying PC parts obscenely overpriced… and they think people will fucking go for this?
The suits at Microsoft are out of their fucking minds. Even businesses won’t want to upgrade this soon after many only just making upgrades to meet Windows 11 requirements just recently… because businesses are also facing the same increased costs due to the above issues!
lime@feddit.nu 2 weeks ago
god i hope they fuck this up
The_v@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The OS desktop environment has stagnated over the past 15 years.
Many businesses have transitioned from a 3-4 year rotation on desktops/laptops to every 5-6 years today. Hell my work laptop is 6 years old and I don’t forsee replacing it for another 3-4 years. For work functions there is no significant improvement to upgrading more frequently today.
So if they launched W12 next year, widespread adoption will likely not occur until 2032-2033 or at the Win11 EOL whichever comes first.
The developers today are working on a system that will not become mainstream for 8+ years. They want to launch in the next 2 years knowing it will not be adopted for years.
They ignoring the reality of today’s market and building to meet the latest fads. It’s Windows 8 all over again.
Scubus@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
So we’re not out of the woods yet
sns@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Windows 7 was arguably the last OS they ever made.
Brkdncr@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This line of thought goes all the way back to NT, and even then IBM would have some comments.
DOS was the last one they built, and they made a really decent GUI for it before they switched to NT.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Windows 10 arguably became passable for stability about 3 years after release… but you still had to cut out the advertising bloat, spyware, and all which undermined any gains of stability because that shit was just fucking annoying.
lime@feddit.nu 2 weeks ago
wasn’t advertised as such though
Telodzrum@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
No, because that was a shitty headline that mischaracterized an employee’s one-off statement and was then held up as gospel truth by the internet.
lime@feddit.nu 2 weeks ago
it was from a press conference where they said they were done with version numbers and that windows 10 would basically be supported forever. that’s not mischaracterisation
Zacryon@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
It was certainly the last one that I voluntarily used.
ugjka@lemmy.ugjka.net 2 weeks ago
Yes, like Arch but for windows
macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
No, that is not what they said. Stop spreading this propaganda.
lime@feddit.nu 2 weeks ago
that is exactly what hey said.