Submitted 2 weeks ago by throws_lemy@reddthat.com to technology@lemmy.world
Windows is being re-written from the ground up to be ‘agentic’. This means that Copilot is not going to be a feature of Windows, Windows is going to be a feature of Copilot.
Oh, and Copilot is going to be writing the code too. Microslop brags that 30% of their code is AI.
Hey hey, let’s be honest here, bragged, it’s been 9 months or so by now. Who knows how much of windows is vibecoded at this point, it might be as high as 50%.
Maybe the new stuff. The Windows NT core has 22 years’ worth of code.
By the way microslop is doing emergency patch after emergency patch, vibe coding windows isn’t the brag they thought it was.
Mac is going to shit too, which is so sad since that transition to ARM was a huge success. Their OS is ridiculously janky dogshit now. It’s not Microsoft level bad but it’s heading in the same direction.
I’m glad I finally started switching. The Linux stuff is more annoying in some ways but in predictable and therefore manageable ways. Mac=there is no war in bag sing sei. Windows=I have altered the deal, pray I do not alter it further.
What is wrong with Mac? I find macOS to be very clean and nice. I find it similar to KDE Plasma.
Okay, cmd+space and search.
Waits.
Fucking why?
Results pop up, if what I want is on top (never is) I click and just before I do, it changes the top result and opens something else.
Fucking why?
Liquid Glass just existing.
Fucking why?
Giant window corner radius
Fucking why?
I have a Mac for work (dev shit) and used to love it. Still prefer it over Windows, but what really bugs me: All the preinstalled shit you can’t get rid of makes it do weird default behavior way too often. And the screens man. Trying to use multiple monitors on a dock makes me hate my life a little every day. It’s an absolute shitshow
I gave up with MacOS a couple of years ago (after nearly a lifetime of using them - my first ‘own’ Mac was a Lombard PowerBook G3 - lovely machine,) because it became increasingly apparent that Apple had stopped caring about the desktop operating system and were intent on turning it into a mobile phone with a keyboard and bigger screen.
Annoying desktop bugs - like constantly (and randomly) forgetting the resolution and position of second displays, not powering up external USB drives properly after sleep, and (as a developer) endlessly having to fight with “why is my build suddenly broken? oh, MacOS decided it doesn’t trust the linker again” type problems just wore me out. Every time they released some pointless new UI fluff but ignored the fact that the Finder had been essentially unusable since Mac OS X (because why should you be using the Finder anyway, you should just trust that your files are stored in Magic Apple Cloud Land…) just reminded me they really didn’t care about desktop users, they just want desktops as accessories to their mobile phones.
So, I cut the cord and finally switched to Linux on the desktop. Which is a shame, because they do make some really nice hardware…
(Although now that I’m actively trying to cut all US suppliers out of my life, it’s actually been a blessing.)
It’s been a while since I used Mac OS but I remember it was quite janky even around 2020.
And of course the whole liquid glass thing is just bonkersly stupid. Vista did it years ago and it was terrible back then because it just made the UI hard to see. I’m not interested in how clever it is.
There was a period when “ergonomics” became something users assumed to have been achieved for all eternity. Late 90s, early 00s, when developers generally made UIs following strict guidelines and looking natively with no designer bullshit.
Before that period (and before popularization of computers) “ergonomics” was something absolutely paramount, half of any mechanism a human uses. Another half would be the actual functionality, which differed between domain areas, but ergonomics didn’t. And once a factory would start issuing those mechanisms with some kind of control panel, it wouldn’t just release an update a few days earlier, no Star Trek transporters, no Harry Potter transfiguration, Carl!
So, somehow making ergonomic UIs is now irrelevant for profitability of making a product.
It’s not really about AI. It’s not really about ads. It’s not really about telemetry. And it’s not even really about something being slow.
It’s just about ergonomics of old concepts implemented being by inertia not totally awful, but gradually worsening, and ergonomics of new concepts implemented being non-existent. That’s all.
After spitting left and right for a few years even I would generally be fine with agentic AI or whatever else. If those things had ergonomic controls. They don’t.
I’ve actually been really enjoying MacOS because of how they’ve sort of abandoned it. There’s no gimmicky bullshit in it. It’s just simple and old school and just works.
Maybe I’ll give it a fresh install when the next OS releases.
My office jumped ship at XP, it was that bad. We went to Linux because getting work done was actually more important.
So many things finally caught up, we did a lot of server client things with the Linux stack for field offices.
Now they call it the cloud. Which means it isn’t your server.
XP started the enshittification and it continued year after year…
XP started it?
In the micorosft line? Yes. Windows ID started here, telemetry, pushing their software, licensing schemes that only put you in control if you had a corporate key and so on.
XP was Tellytubby NT 2000.
I’ve got till 2032 I’m good. Then I’ll switch to Linux which will hopefully by then be better than windows at running windows games.
It already is actually. Proton driver’s are great.
Mandatory reference to Protondb, which lists how well every game performs on Linux. 84 % of the top 100 games on Steam are rated as gold or platinum.
And if your favorite games don’t work on proton because it’s something like apex or league that is a personal failing on your part
Windows LTSC?
Win10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 is the good one.
Ummm… Yes, Proton was already mentioned in this thread so I won’t repeat it. But I’m curious which problems you have with games on Linux or did you just repeat what was true 5 (?) years ago.
Don’t get me wrong: I tried gaming on linux when proton wasn’t even remotely in the pipeline and it was horrible impossible. When I first heard about proton I tried again and ran into issues with the first game I tried (Europa Universalis 4, the new Paradox launcher was broken at the time) so I jumped ship again. Then I tried again in early 2025 and haven’t looked back since then. There hasn’t been a single game I tried that didn’t work (although some games needed some tinkering but that’s where protondb comes to rescue). There is one game I’d like to play (The Crew 2) that doesn’t work because of it’s anti cheat. But apart from that: Great experience!
You see, I get where you might be coming from but maybe don’t way until 2032 and give it a try again?
I’ve been gaming exclusively on Linux for a few years now, and I can say Bethesda games, and specifically modding Bethesda games. That shit works a well as can be expected on windows, and if you keep the mod list light, can actually run better than vanilla.
I will say, the free Fallout 4 creation club content good enough as far as light modding goes, and runs extremely well.
Skyrim on the other hand, would honestly probably be fine if their creation club had half the mods that I want to play with.
Well Roller Coaster Tycoon 3 has weird distorted music. Apparently it’s due to .wma files and possible to convert them to MP3 (or use some weird fan patch of Proton) but that sounds like a lot of effort for something I was hoping would just work out of the box.
Not who you originally asked, but I am aware of an example where Windows is still better than Linux for a specific game: Guild Wars 2. Not because of anything directly in the game, but there is an insanely useful overlay program called BlishHUD that runs as a separate process. On Windows it just works; on Linux it is a pain to get it to mostly work.
But overall things have clearly shifted from gaming on Linux being a joke, to being possible but a huge pain, to being ok-ish but a bit clumsy, to finally being sometimes even better and on average equal. There will always be differences, and Windows currently still has the benefit of being the default. Maybe that too will change one day.
But I’m curious which problems you have with games on Linux
Not who you asked, but I still cannot get the Sims 2 ultimate collection to even work, and I’ve been struggling with this since october lmao. The problem seems to be EA trying to force everyone to buy legacy edition thus targeting everyone making UC installable, but I refuse to buy it because not only fuck paying more for a game I’ve owned for twenty years, it also lacks the Ikea pack and bodyshop and I desperately need both. At least Lazy Duchess, the modder responsible for RPC made a patch that gives some of the functionality to legacy as well…
Also, that’s only the first hurdle. There’s like four or five small programs you need to actually play and mod the game properly, and I haven’t even gotten far enough to try to get them to work. I don’t have enough skills to understand running virtual machine stuff either, so it seems like my main rig will be stuck in win10 forever as I will not upgrade it to 11 but I also cannot sacrifice my most played game (there’s also the problem with getting paint tool SAI running that’s keeping me on windows but that’s an entirely different affair, sigh)
That’s the biggest reason I’ve not switched. Gears of War is one of my favorite franchises, and games like that still need some time, it seems.
I made a conscious decision years ago to not buy any games that do not support Linux. This had the advantage of when I actually switched, all my recent games had full support ready to go. Plus it helps that I also don’t support anti consumer corporations such as ea or ubi or epic. No Tux, No bux.
We will all be dead by then, give bazzite a try.
I’m migrate my notebook to Linix Mint, perform way better than Windows 10.
I’m trying to figure out a way to transport my modlists from MO2 in Fallout New Vegas and Skyrim to run on Linux, once this is done, i goodbye windows forever on my personal devices
I just use Wine and feel good. Feel good!
Not every applications runs in Wine. For example I didn't get USB devices (not storage, connection to a special device) running in Wine. And I can imagine that old serial connections and so are even more tricky.
Not all applications run on Windows either:)
Wine has support serial and parallel ports. They work fine. In recent versions of wine you don’t even have to set anything up. Just run ls -l ~/.wine/dosdevices/com* after running something in wine to see what the com port number is for your device. The ttyACM and ttyUSB ports are USB serial ports. The ttyS ports are hardware serial ports and they will probably show up even if your computer doesn’t have any.
I got some weird specialised hardware over USB working via WinBoat. Might be an option for some.
Why would old serial connections be tricker in Wine? You would think they’d be easier since Wine started being developed when those were more prevalent.
Something like Winboat would be more useful for edge cases like that.
Old serial is probably easier due to it being simpler.
First time I tried to use WINE I got extremely confused by it, and ended up with a program that still didn’t function. Literally no idea if it was me or a program that fundamentally didn’t work with Wine.
Yes, “wine /path/to/program.exe” command might be too confusing for some categories of users.
So good! So good! I got you!
Dude. American here. FUCK Windows 11 and fuck Microsoft for being what they are. Damn unethical pushy creepy bastards.
gates caught an std. same as windows
People aren't just rejecting it and staying on 10. they are actively downgrading (going back to windows 10) or leaving the windows ecosystem entirely for Linux. Someone actually went out of their way to tally up and explain all the shit MS broke over the course of the last year. It's a ridiculous number of things.
Microsoft removed my quick access links to my desktop folder today
why? I don’t know. I guess they want to force me to use the OneDrive desktop folder. which I do use, for shit I want synced to OneDrive. but I also have a local desktop folder I use for temp files, and fuck you very much Microsoft left me fucking use my computer how I want to
side note, I had a little program that would export a file that a user had open to their desktop in a specific format. great program, super useful for the application we were running it in, it made a multi-step process of navigating menus into a single button click. I’ve been using it for the past few years at this company. cue my surprise when some new people inform me that the button doesn’t work for them and so they haven’t been using it - BECAUSE MICROSOFT TOOK AWAY THE LOCAL USER DESKTOP FOLDER LMFAO. it blew my mind that people had to go manually create a desktop folder, I had never thought to add checking if that folder exists to the code.
Yeah, OneDrive became an instant uninstall for me because of how it works. I have 2TB of empty cloud storage that I would love to use, but refuse to completely rework my file structure. I am not going to move literally everything. I’ll let you read my boring ass work shit, I don’t care, I let Google do it probably when I upload shit to drive, I just want to organize things the way I have them, because that’s how they work.
Yep. I have 1 app that requires Windows (or Mac) that I use once every 4 or 5 weeks. I run Win 10 in a VM for that.
I don’t know about such claims. I’ve just finished installing W10 on one of my laptops.
Use case? BMW coding tools are only built for Windows and using them via wine doesn’t really work.
As a long time Linux use I can’t even describe what I’m feeling right now.
I just installed Linux Mint last weekend. Working great so far!
There is currently an ongoing isssue with Chromium/Electron rendering being almost-unusable with VRR. It was first reported almost a year ago. Microsoft doesn’t care enough to fix it. But hey, at least you get Copilot so it can tell you what registry tweak you have to add to fix it yourself!
Huh? I’m having no issues with vsCode, and while I haven’t used Discord in ages I didn’t have problems with it either. Both are electron. Got any links about these issues handy?
Isn’t like the whole UI using Electron at this point?
Didn’t they rewrite the start menu to electron?
Mmmmm, not according to massgrave. You get 4 years more.
2032 is the cutoff for IOT LTSC, so 6 years actually.
With security patches?
Use Linux, get freedom
I’d still be on 7 if they didn’t non-consensually update my machine.
I walked into my room one day and my computer was in the middle of downdating from 7 to 10, without ever asking me. I held my breath and unplugged the thing from the wall. Luckily nothing happened and it booted back into 7 and I went in and removed every single notion of any update I could, short of physically opening my HDD and removing the physical sections of the platter.
Im on the WIndows 10 Extended support. I’m either going to risk staying on 10, or move to linux. The big problems for me are 1 ) Visual studio doesn’t run on linux so I’d either have to learn a new editor or do a VM… I suppose 2) Gaming. A lot can happen in 8 months for improvements. But this might be the thing that holds me on Windows for a while. Saw a video of native Dota2 on linux runs like shit. 3) A solid remote desktop replacement. One that’s as good or better than what I’m using.
For coding, you could use VSCode, which is not the same as VS but it has enough extensions to probably support your use-case?
I’ve usedJetBrains on Linux for years, it’s a dream.
Linux-native Dota is a bit worse than Windows Dota, to the point that I tried to run it in Proton instead (doesn’t work). With the right start config (-dx11) it runs fine though. Same for Deadlock, it was almost unplayable without -dx11.
RustDesk has been my remote desktop replacement. Chross platform so you can try it on Windows before you switch to see if it checks your boxes.
I just switched from Windows to Linux a few weeks ago. Not sure about a replacement for visual studio, but I haven’t had an issue finding an open source application to do anything I did in windows. As for gaming, it works way better than I expected it to, but it’s still not a good overall IMHO. Some games run better without all the bloat of Windows 11, other games run way worse because they aren’t optimized in Linux, it’s been a bit of a crapshoot. For remote desktop, I use the thincast client to connect to other machines, and XRDP on my VMs. Thincast and xrdp work together better than AVD and the Windows App, by a longshot.
Gaming is my big issue. But now that my quality gaming time with family has gone from Warzone to ARC Raiders, it’s a far less daunting concern. I’ll probably wait and see if DMZ 2 supports Linux, which sadly I doubt, and if that game will cost
Hopefully SteamOS Desktop is released some months before then, so that people have a comfy Linux to welcome them.
I think people hate win11 outside of Germany too. Lookup how to switch win 10 to iot ltsc (aka alphabet soup) I did this quickly and easily with the only issues being desktop icons rearranged (take a screen grab reference Prior if you care) and unfortunately my automatic updates don’t work for some reason (I’ve seen rumors about drive parti on issues maybe being the reason) but I can download and install updates manually still until 2032.
Get off American monopoly tech. The desktop is the easiest.
A GNU/Linux desktop has endless advantages and doesn’t include the anti-features.
Linux, in some form, runs a lot of your life already, even if you don’t know it.
If your a tech, you really should deeply know Linux/UNIX anyway.
Been daily-driving Linux for several months now. There are literally zero critical workflows that I can’t do just because I’m not on Windows.
40% of things I use my PC for are browser-based. 40% have an equivalent FOSS app. 10% are Windows apps that run fine using Wine. The other 10% I can live without.
But they so generously extended their blackmail ultimatum date support!! Why won’t people switch? It’s so weird. Don’t they know that MS CEO Satya Nadela ($1.1 Bil) has their best interest at heart, always?
Damn, that sucks. When does my Arch support end?
Okay if you wanna get technical, some folks define support as meaning some sort of official paid support process, in which case there is none at all. But I feel like a funnier joke would be that Arch “support” lasts until there’s any sort of update to any package you have.
If only there were some kind of alternative… I would call it “Linux”
I’m not exactly rejecting it, but I can’t afford to build a new computer that can run it till the AI bubble bursts.
On my gaming PC I never signed up for any sort of Win10 extended support but it still wants to update regularly. Did they just give up and give the extended support to everyone?
The entire article is based on a false premise:
With ESU, you can still get security updates and minor fixes or improvements, but the catch is that extended support ends on October 13, 2026.
Not true, there are three years of ESU updates available.
Oh no! Anyway…
The only reason I’m still in Windows is because I use Clip Studio Paint as my main art program (and while it is on Wine, the compatibility is extremely poor) and I also play certain FPS games with anti-cheat that’s incompatible with Linux. If those two problems are solved (which is one thing I’m banking Valve to do with SteamOS) then I’ll ditch Windows permanently. Until then, maybe the next time I install I’ll use Win11 LTSC which doesn’t come with any of Microsoft’s AI bullshit.
I miss WinXP. Simply the best, imo.
Eight months to learn Linux is a LONG time. You’ll be fine.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Even I, a long long long and ooooold ms-fanboy finally ditched win11 in fear of the copilot shit hole that’s coming.
And now I regret not having switched years earlier. Everything is a lot better now, and those things that are worse are just worse because companies hate Linux (looking at Logitech et al).
And when even I left windows (I do have every certificate from them, sold hundreds of thousands of licenses and whatnot) that tells something 😔 sadly so, I might add.
Long story short: fuck copilot.
armandoenlachamba@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Copilot is not the problem. If Copilot was just one more program (like Notepad or Paintbrush), I wouldn’t have an issue with it. But Microsoft (and other companies) insist in putting it every-fucking-where. Like in Notepad? WHY?! So yeah, fuck Microsoft.
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 2 weeks ago
It’s the equivalent of a drugs dealer that starts throwing their product in people’s faces just to get more people hooked, but the product is so nasty almost everyone runs away screaming.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Yes totally. They’re a company, they want to make money. Sure, fine. But if things stop being optional (or at least uninstallable like fucking onedrive) then I get pissed.
When I want AI, I start one. But in settings? In notepad? In my coffemachine and nutsack-warmer? Noooooo.
Creat@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
I know that isn’t the point of your comment, but what issues do you have with Logitech hardware on Linux? I have just mice from them, but honestly an embarrassing amount. I just use Solaar and I can configure all I need? I also have always only used the onboard memory (so I can move them between computers), and don’t really use macros though…
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Solaar only let’s me do DPI for mine. I have to set that fucker up in a VM with lghub and use onboard profile and input-remapper. Without mapping the extra buttons in lghub to something, inputremapper gave me nothing to work with)
So far I have not needed my scripts or macros yet, so that is a problem for later 😁
(G502 x plus lightningsomething btw).
umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
piper manages logitech mice and it’s quite good!
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Yeah but not mine sadly. G502 x plus wireless