they were hounding me every fucking day on my only windows device, so I blocked all windows update domains on my pihole.
I don’t use it often, but use it to do 3D modeling/slicing.
Windows 10's extended support ends in eight months, but users are still rejecting Windows 11, at least in Germany
Submitted 11 hours ago by throws_lemy@reddthat.com to technology@lemmy.world
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GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 11 minutes ago
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 minutes ago
Dude. American here. FUCK Windows 11 and fuck Microsoft for being what they are. Damn unethical pushy creepy bastards.
CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 43 minutes ago
Im on the WIndows 10 Extended support. I’m either going to risk staying on 10, or move to linux. The big problems for me are 1 ) Visual studio doesn’t run on linux so I’d either have to learn a new editor or do a VM… I suppose 2) Gaming. A lot can happen in 8 months for improvements. But this might be the thing that holds me on Windows for a while. Saw a video of native Dota2 on linux runs like shit. 3) A solid remote desktop replacement. One that’s as good or better than what I’m using.
Jeffool@lemmy.world 16 minutes ago
Gaming is my big issue. But now that my quality gaming time with family has gone from Warzone to ARC Raiders, it’s a far less daunting concern. I’ll probably wait and see if DMZ 2 supports Linux, which sadly I doubt, and if that game will cost
SabinStargem@lemmy.today 1 hour ago
Hopefully SteamOS Desktop is released some months before then, so that people have a comfy Linux to welcome them.
BigBenis@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
I just installed Linux Mint last weekend. Working great so far!
lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
I’m not exactly rejecting it, but I can’t afford to build a new computer that can run it till the AI bubble bursts.
kokimys@lemmy.zip 47 minutes ago
Try to get a simple Linux distribution instead (Mint or Ubuntu). Depending on what you are using your computer for it might be just as good, even faster, than windows.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 10 hours ago
Even I, a long long long and ooooold ms-fanboy finally ditched win11 in fear of the copilot shit hole that’s coming.
And now I regret not having switched years earlier. Everything is a lot better now, and those things that are worse are just worse because companies hate Linux (looking at Logitech et al).
And when even I left windows (I do have every certificate from them, sold hundreds of thousands of licenses and whatnot) that tells something 😔 sadly so, I might add.
Long story short: fuck copilot.
armandoenlachamba@piefed.social 7 hours ago
Copilot is not the problem. If Copilot was just one more program (like Notepad or Paintbrush), I wouldn’t have an issue with it. But Microsoft (and other companies) insist in putting it every-fucking-where. Like in Notepad? WHY?! So yeah, fuck Microsoft.
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 6 hours ago
Like in Notepad? WHY?! So yeah, fuck Microsoft.
It’s the equivalent of a drugs dealer that starts throwing their product in people’s faces just to get more people hooked, but the product is so nasty almost everyone runs away screaming.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 4 hours ago
Yes totally. They’re a company, they want to make money. Sure, fine. But if things stop being optional (or at least uninstallable like fucking onedrive) then I get pissed.
When I want AI, I start one. But in settings? In notepad? In my coffemachine and nutsack-warmer? Noooooo.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 hours ago
piper manages logitech mice and it’s quite good!
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 3 hours ago
Yeah but not mine sadly. G502 x plus wireless
Creat@discuss.tchncs.de 5 hours ago
I know that isn’t the point of your comment, but what issues do you have with Logitech hardware on Linux? I have just mice from them, but honestly an embarrassing amount. I just use Solaar and I can configure all I need? I also have always only used the onboard memory (so I can move them between computers), and don’t really use macros though…
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 4 hours ago
Solaar only let’s me do DPI for mine. I have to set that fucker up in a VM with lghub and use onboard profile and input-remapper. Without mapping the extra buttons in lghub to something, inputremapper gave me nothing to work with)
So far I have not needed my scripts or macros yet, so that is a problem for later 😁
(G502 x plus lightningsomething btw).
deliriousdreams@fedia.io 4 hours ago
People aren't just rejecting it and staying on 10. they are actively downgrading (going back to windows 10) or leaving the windows ecosystem entirely for Linux. Someone actually went out of their way to tally up and explain all the shit MS broke over the course of the last year. It's a ridiculous number of things.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 53 minutes ago
Microsoft removed my quick access links to my desktop folder today
why? I don’t know. I guess they want to force me to use the OneDrive desktop folder. which I do use, for shit I want synced to OneDrive. but I also have a local desktop folder I use for temp files, and fuck you very much Microsoft left me fucking use my computer how I want to
side note, I had a little program that would export a file that a user had open to their desktop in a specific format. great program, super useful for the application we were running it in, it made a multi-step process of navigating menus into a single button click. I’ve been using it for the past few years at this company. cue my surprise when some new people inform me that the button doesn’t work for them and so they haven’t been using it - BECAUSE MICROSOFT TOOK AWAY THE LOCAL USER DESKTOP FOLDER LMFAO. it blew my mind that people had to go manually create a desktop folder, I had never thought to add checking if that folder exists to the code.
chillpanzee@lemmy.ml 1 hour ago
Yep. I have 1 app that requires Windows (or Mac) that I use once every 4 or 5 weeks. I run Win 10 in a VM for that.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
I think people hate win11 outside of Germany too. Lookup how to switch win 10 to iot ltsc (aka alphabet soup) I did this quickly and easily with the only issues being desktop icons rearranged (take a screen grab reference Prior if you care) and unfortunately my automatic updates don’t work for some reason (I’ve seen rumors about drive parti on issues maybe being the reason) but I can download and install updates manually still until 2032.
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 7 hours ago
My office jumped ship at XP, it was that bad. We went to Linux because getting work done was actually more important.
So many things finally caught up, we did a lot of server client things with the Linux stack for field offices.
Now they call it the cloud. Which means it isn’t your server.
XP started the enshittification and it continued year after year…
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 hours ago
XP started it?
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
In the micorosft line? Yes. Windows ID started here, telemetry, pushing their software, licensing schemes that only put you in control if you had a corporate key and so on.
yesman@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Windows is being re-written from the ground up to be ‘agentic’. This means that Copilot is not going to be a feature of Windows, Windows is going to be a feature of Copilot.
Oh, and Copilot is going to be writing the code too. Microslop brags that 30% of their code is AI.
Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Hey hey, let’s be honest here, bragged, it’s been 9 months or so by now. Who knows how much of windows is vibecoded at this point, it might be as high as 50%.
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 6 hours ago
By the way microslop is doing emergency patch after emergency patch, vibe coding windows isn’t the brag they thought it was.
frongt@lemmy.zip 10 hours ago
Maybe the new stuff. The Windows NT core has 22 years’ worth of code.
Goretantath@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
I’ve got till 2032 I’m good. Then I’ll switch to Linux which will hopefully by then be better than windows at running windows games.
thermal_shock@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
It already is actually. Proton driver’s are great.
Kjell@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Mandatory reference to Protondb, which lists how well every game performs on Linux. 84 % of the top 100 games on Steam are rated as gold or platinum.
OccasionallyFeralya@lemmy.ml 7 hours ago
Windows LTSC?
Whirling_Cloudburst@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Win10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 is the good one.
sockenklaus@sh.itjust.works 6 hours ago
Ummm… Yes, Proton was already mentioned in this thread so I won’t repeat it. But I’m curious which problems you have with games on Linux or did you just repeat what was true 5 (?) years ago.
Don’t get me wrong: I tried gaming on linux when proton wasn’t even remotely in the pipeline and it was
horribleimpossible. When I first heard about proton I tried again and ran into issues with the first game I tried (Europa Universalis 4, the new Paradox launcher was broken at the time) so I jumped ship again. Then I tried again in early 2025 and haven’t looked back since then. There hasn’t been a single game I tried that didn’t work (although some games needed some tinkering but that’s where protondb comes to rescue). There is one game I’d like to play (The Crew 2) that doesn’t work because of it’s anti cheat. But apart from that: Great experience!You see, I get where you might be coming from but maybe don’t way until 2032 and give it a try again?
chaogomu@lemmy.world 27 minutes ago
I’ve been gaming exclusively on Linux for a few years now, and I can say Bethesda games, and specifically modding Bethesda games. That shit works a well as can be expected on windows, and if you keep the mod list light, can actually run better than vanilla.
I will say, the free Fallout 4 creation club content good enough as far as light modding goes, and runs extremely well.
Skyrim on the other hand, would honestly probably be fine if their creation club had half the mods that I want to play with.
knexcar@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Well Roller Coaster Tycoon 3 has weird distorted music. Apparently it’s due to .wma files and possible to convert them to MP3 (or use some weird fan patch of Proton) but that sounds like a lot of effort for something I was hoping would just work out of the box.
NotAnonymousAtAll@feddit.org 5 hours ago
Not who you originally asked, but I am aware of an example where Windows is still better than Linux for a specific game: Guild Wars 2. Not because of anything directly in the game, but there is an insanely useful overlay program called BlishHUD that runs as a separate process. On Windows it just works; on Linux it is a pain to get it to mostly work.
But overall things have clearly shifted from gaming on Linux being a joke, to being possible but a huge pain, to being ok-ish but a bit clumsy, to finally being sometimes even better and on average equal. There will always be differences, and Windows currently still has the benefit of being the default. Maybe that too will change one day.
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 hours ago
We will all be dead by then, give bazzite a try.
THE_GR8_MIKE@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
That’s the biggest reason I’ve not switched. Gears of War is one of my favorite franchises, and games like that still need some time, it seems.
KillerWhale@orcas.enjoying.yachts 7 hours ago
I made a conscious decision years ago to not buy any games that do not support Linux. This had the advantage of when I actually switched, all my recent games had full support ready to go. Plus it helps that I also don’t support anti consumer corporations such as ea or ubi or epic. No Tux, No bux.
Randelung@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Too lazy to set up computer again. massgrave.dev will carry me for a few more years, and then it’s time for a new build anyway.
Lembot_0006@programming.dev 11 hours ago
I just use Wine and feel good. Feel good!
BlueKey@fedia.io 10 hours ago
Not every applications runs in Wine. For example I didn't get USB devices (not storage, connection to a special device) running in Wine. And I can imagine that old serial connections and so are even more tricky.
Lembot_0006@programming.dev 10 hours ago
Not all applications run on Windows either:)
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 8 hours ago
Wine has support serial and parallel ports. They work fine. In recent versions of wine you don’t even have to set anything up. Just run
ls -l ~/.wine/dosdevices/com*after running something in wine to see what the com port number is for your device. The ttyACM and ttyUSB ports are USB serial ports. The ttyS ports are hardware serial ports and they will probably show up even if your computer doesn’t have any.TheCornCollector@piefed.zip 10 hours ago
I got some weird specialised hardware over USB working via WinBoat. Might be an option for some.
armandoenlachamba@piefed.social 7 hours ago
Why would old serial connections be tricker in Wine? You would think they’d be easier since Wine started being developed when those were more prevalent.
frongt@lemmy.zip 10 hours ago
Old serial is probably easier due to it being simpler.
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 hours ago
Something like Winboat would be more useful for edge cases like that.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 hours ago
So good! So good! I got you!
eronth@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
First time I tried to use WINE I got extremely confused by it, and ended up with a program that still didn’t function. Literally no idea if it was me or a program that fundamentally didn’t work with Wine.
Lembot_0006@programming.dev 8 hours ago
Yes, “wine /path/to/program.exe” command might be too confusing for some categories of users.
Mac@mander.xyz 8 hours ago
I’d still be on 7 if they didn’t non-consensually update my machine.
THE_GR8_MIKE@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
I walked into my room one day and my computer was in the middle of downdating from 7 to 10, without ever asking me. I held my breath and unplugged the thing from the wall. Luckily nothing happened and it booted back into 7 and I went in and removed every single notion of any update I could, short of physically opening my HDD and removing the physical sections of the platter.
Octagon9561@lemmy.ml 6 hours ago
There’s actually an ESU bypass for Windows 7 that provided updates until January 2026.
Mac@mander.xyz 7 hours ago
Yeah, i also removed all the update bullshit, multiple times. It updated while i was at work.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Given the sloth’s track record of the last several months it makes sense to steer clear of the shitshow
Adeptus_Obsoletus@piefed.social 9 hours ago
There is currently an ongoing isssue with Chromium/Electron rendering being almost-unusable with VRR. It was first reported almost a year ago. Microsoft doesn’t care enough to fix it. But hey, at least you get Copilot so it can tell you what registry tweak you have to add to fix it yourself!
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 hours ago
Huh? I’m having no issues with vsCode, and while I haven’t used Discord in ages I didn’t have problems with it either. Both are electron. Got any links about these issues handy?
rowrowrowyourboat@sh.itjust.works 11 hours ago
Mmmmm, not according to massgrave. You get 4 years more.
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 hours ago
2032 is the cutoff for IOT LTSC, so 6 years actually.
armandoenlachamba@piefed.social 7 hours ago
With security patches?
Lfrith@lemmy.ca 3 hours ago
Best thing about ltsc is you only get security patches. All the amazing features people get like copilot and more copilot and yet more copilot is stuff ltsc doesn’t get.
dan1101@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
On my gaming PC I never signed up for any sort of Win10 extended support but it still wants to update regularly. Did they just give up and give the extended support to everyone?
lastunusedusername2@sh.itjust.works 1 hour ago
I think you got the extra year just for signing in with an MS account
kerthale@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Put Linux on an old gaming laptop. Thing runs much better on Linux than Windows ever has.
it_depends_man@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
But they so generously extended their
blackmail ultimatum datesupport!! Why won’t people switch? It’s so weird. Don’t they know that MS CEO Satya Nadela ($1.1 Bil) has their best interest at heart, always?SalamenceFury@piefed.social 10 hours ago
The only reason I’m still in Windows is because I use Clip Studio Paint as my main art program (and while it is on Wine, the compatibility is extremely poor) and I also play certain FPS games with anti-cheat that’s incompatible with Linux. If those two problems are solved (which is one thing I’m banking Valve to do with SteamOS) then I’ll ditch Windows permanently. Until then, maybe the next time I install I’ll use Win11 LTSC which doesn’t come with any of Microsoft’s AI bullshit.
Blackfeathr@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
I’m pretty much in the same situation you’re in. I use Clip Studio Paint and a 24-year Photoshop user, and finding a suitable alternative to both is a crapshoot. I’m gonna try GIMP and Krita again, but I’m not optimistic…
SalamenceFury@piefed.social 9 hours ago
GIMP has always been kinda ass tbh. I used it back then to make gifs and that was the only thing in that program that wasn’t a pain to do.
Rhaedas@fedia.io 9 hours ago
When GIMP's version 3 came out, it got a lot of great reviews. I can't tell you what's different or better, but in using it myself since then, it doesn't "feel" as daunting. Very subjective, but definitely try it out again; it might work for you this time around.
kerthale@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Affinity is much more usable than the gimp. I hear good things about it with crossover (commercial wine). If you’re willing to spend a bit of money (not an exorbitant amount).
valek879@sh.itjust.works 9 hours ago
Honestly my video game addiction is the reason I’m still on Windows. I play league and they only support Windows now. I’ve tried dual booting but it’s just not a smooth experience. I’m going to end up on Windows to play league at some point and sometimes I want to squeeze in a cheeky game during the day and not just at night.
I haven’t figured out a solution that works for me yet but I’m open to ideas. I also don’t have a solid solution for playing TFT or league on my steamdeck besides dual booting Windows and that’s not going to happen.
Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 hours ago
Not dual booting will cure your League addiction.
wilt@sh.itjust.works 6 hours ago
A far better script for all in one Windows debloating and software installation (literally avoid opening Edge at all) is this, it can also handle removing copilot:
Soulphite@reddthat.com 10 hours ago
I miss WinXP. Simply the best, imo.
original_reader@lemmy.zip 9 hours ago
That’s not how you spell “Windows 7”.
XP properly started the rubbish which keeps piling up in Windows 11. Remember the online activation, for example?
Still, Windows XP was much more user friendly/user respecting than 11 is.
BagOfHeavyStones@piefed.social 7 hours ago
It was your computer, and it was friendly.
Rhaedas@fedia.io 9 hours ago
One of my random Linux boot-up sounds is the WinXP boot theme.
ZeDoTelhado@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Does anyone has an easy way to put windows 98 sounds on Linux? I would love to have it for one day (and probably revert after, just enough to deal with nostalgia)
Stefan_S_from_H@piefed.zip 10 hours ago
I need a new PC for Windows 11. So I thought I’ll wait as long as possible. The later, the less expensive a good machine will be. 🤦🏻♂️
Lfrith@lemmy.ca 3 hours ago
You can use rufus to bypass whatever hardware requirements there are like tpm if you need to use Windows 11. For ltsc tpm isn’t even a requirement and has the copilot crap removed.
mctoasterson@reddthat.com 10 minutes ago
Been daily-driving Linux for several months now. There are literally zero critical workflows that I can’t do just because I’m not on Windows.
40% of things I use my PC for are browser-based. 40% have an equivalent FOSS app. 10% are Windows apps that run fine using Wine. The other 10% I can live without.