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28 TB $449.99 Price per TB: $16.07
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They’re not the victims… WE ARE. They’re giving in to the tech bros idiocy and catering to their wishes. If they any ounce of dignity as a honorable brand, none of them would have risen their prices. There’s literally ZERO actual reason for them to do this other than tech bros rigging it against the rest of us.
want to make a server RAM and HDD prices spike
Fuck this
Proxmox cluster and shuck externals I started during the 2008 crash
I should have bought more DDR5 when I first built mine. I figured I’d be able to add more later so I just focused on a good CPU…
We are spiraling towards a you own nothing and rent/subscription it all society.
Honestly. Tankie as hell to say this, but thank fuck for China providing cheap easy alternatives to mainstream hardware
Billionaires are not going to give you a chance to decide whether you want a dumb thin AI client or not.
You won’t be able to procure the hardware even if you could afford it.
NOT UNTIL they are done recording profits and laying off people constantly. until they run out of people to "fire:
We’ve taken all the blame and put it on AI like it’s acting independently and appeared out of nowhere. This is global collusion to fuck the customers everywhere. It’s people doing this.
Time to buy some sbc boards so I can actually host content in ten years.
With whoever’s software considering the foss devs will be broke.
Thank fuck I’m a millennial and I only have thirty more years on the disappointment machine.
If you’re under 30, learn how to shoot. You won’t be doing much hosting.
But what if my cannibal raider gang’s members need a scalable, high availability image and video storage solution for their family albums?
Just in time for me to want to upgrade the home server storage
Yep. Just finished ripping about 150 of our DVD collection and space was filling up, went looking for HDDs and was surprised at the prices. Now I know why.
I just finished fixing my storage setup and was ready to add more… 😭
I have an invention that… well, you be the judge; What if we take some cheap paper… and put holes in it ? If we place the holes in a certain way, they will resemble digits and we could store information via holes in a paper ‘card’ !!
No more ram/storage problems! …oh, and very organic btw !!
Hm, we probably need a family member to do the punching/reading of holes, but doable.
Whaddoyuthink - is it a killer invention or what ?
I’d like to see a single movie stored on punch cards. It would be massive.
Bought a 12 TB data center drive that had 3 years of spin time on it for $94 August '24. When I check the eBay listing now I see it’s $220 😵
It keeps feeling like this bubble won’t pop and we’ll just keep riding upwards like the housing market
I don’t think this is sustainable because it seems like a closed loop that eventually stops making money without any new inputs.
My consciousness is on the cloud now, please speak for yourself!
When the bubble bursts, used computer components are going to be real cheap. Even just a few liquidated data centers will provide a ton of used supply.
Phew! I just bought three 16TB drives a couple of months ago for my jellyfin setup.
Selling them for $5000 each if anyone is interested.
Do we dare ask why you need 48TB to store media, or do we slowly back out of the room, avoiding eye contact.
(he said, storing everything at 720p like a peasant)
Redundancy and high quality backups maybe? Some people have hoarded a lot of media over how many years, doesn’t seem too far fetched to me.
I get 4k/8k quality everything if I can. Plus my fam can queue up downloads. I had 32TB but we’ve filled it up in 18 months. I now have a backup of the stuff I really like and a bit of room to grow. They keep downloading long running series one of them got project model or something, some food shows and a tattoo show.
My 2TB SSD (which I bought for about 100€) failed, I could get my money back but a new one is now 300€.
I got my AMD RX580 graphics card failing on me. It started to crash so frequently I had to put back my GTX1050Ti
See? That’s why Satya Nadella doesn’t care about Windows. Soon nobody will be able to afford a PC anyways.
They want consumers to have cheap low-resource systems so they are forced to use the cloud for storage and processing.
Yes, all the power to do any form of large computation needs to be traceable and rented. You will own nothing, rent everything, and be happy with it.
And bow down to the subscription economy.
Noooooo!!
I just dreamt last night I had 2 more 28tb hard drives for my server to backup.
Now it’s a nightmare. Fuck AI!!!
Made me buy a used 10tb drive recently.
Screw them all, I will have a place for my data and I won’t pay them a dollar for these shenanigans.
I will use a book shelf sized rack of USB hubs filled with 1 GB flash drives before I buy a single fucking KB of cloud space.
I would love to do that, but am scared of my house getting flooded/catching fire/getting tornado-ed/multitude of other things. Also, the electricity sometimes doesn’t work, especially now in winter and I need 100% uptime for remote data access
I’ve got 30tb or so made up of 4 and 10tb used drives. All I’ll buy anymore. In fact, I need to change out of of my parity drives. Hopefully used market is still somewhat affordable.
I have four 8TB drives from last year and 4 externals from my old build that were healthy when they came off the last system.
I might be a little ragged in 10 years but I’ll still have a disk spinning if they aren’t arresting wireguard users for terrorism by then.
In my country I got used 10tb for $150. Don’t know situation in your place.
I’ll just note there is still a loophole: external drives have sales in the $10-11/TB range, and you can shuck the drives.
Right now $280 for 26TB, for example: slickdeals.net/…/19091557-26tb-seagate-expansion-…
That’s apparently CMR Barracuda inside.
These may disappear completely, or may simply be drives that AI data centers do not prefer permanently, since they are not rated for 24/7 use. Fine for RAID home server use, apparently, though
I remember doing this years ago, but the only problem I remember is they were 2 hard drives instead of 1 inside split in size to lower the cost. Idk if its different now, but if you expect 1 drive at that size that could be wrong.
Did you buy an offbrand ext drive? I mainly stick to EasyStore models (and its been a minute since I had to buy), and they were always 1 internal HDD in their annoying to open enclosure
It’s just one: reddit.com/…/26tb_seagate_expansion_shucking_expe…
The size of the enclosure isn’t large enough to accommodate more than one 3.5" drive.
So computer parts are just the new toilet paper then…
Speaking of toilet paper, if they burn it can can use the heat to boil water and generate electricity. Since they use everything they can get their hands on to generate electricity it might soon be a new tp crisis.
It’s been a while since I bought storage. $500 for 24TB seems like a steal to me. Not that I have any need for 24TB. Also, I don’t trust Seagate drives. I’d rather have four, 6TB drives than one 24TB drive, but that’s just experience talking–I’ve lost several drives over the years, and most of them were Seagate. YMMV.
Less than a year ago 279 was a baseline price for 24tb
Why… why would hard drives be going up in price?? AI does not use spinning platters of rust, like, at all.
Yes it does. Where do you think they store those gigantic training datasets?
Because the opposite is true. AI uses spinning rust far, far more than it does solid state storage.
My best guess is they want to use the raw materials on more profitable products. Kinda like how consumer PSUs are going up in price. The materials are being used for enterprise PSUs in the datacenter
Fuck, I thought HDDs were spared cause of their low speed.
Companies usually use HDDs because they last longer and are cheaper
They still have controllers with chips.
An with my investments i really wanna cash in right now, i feel like the bubble is about to burst in the next 3-6months. Then stocks would go down by like 30% and i can buy in again.
Im almost certain its gonna crash down and i wanna be out before that happens but right now stocks just go up way to much.
Usually people advise against trying to time the market. Missing the down is one thing but if you miss the way back up then that is a lot of potential profit gone. Weathering the storm is typically the better option.
Honestly I don’t think it matters so much…
I think we reached peaked IT few years ago.
Nobody needs (that’s the crux term here, need, not “want” or “desire” or “wish”) a bigger hard drive. It’s the same way nobody needs an 8K TV and they they aren’t sold. Why?
I’m glad you ask, it’s all connected! If you stick to “just” a 4K TV, because you have normal human eyes, then the content you need is “just” 4K so a movie is just 2GB or so… and thus you don’t need a larger hard drive.
I can already hear the steps of that ONE person who edits 360 8K videos for National Geographic preparing to argue “actually…!” and yes, they ARE right. Some people, professionals, DO need super high res, super high framerate, super high everything … but that’s NOT your average consumer. You average consumer STOPPED upgrading because they need to. Most consumer who still upgrade mostly do it because of habit, because they get coerced into it (e.g. MicroSlop Windows 11) but not because they genuinely need to.
So… yes I “wish” I had better everything, including hard drive, but the truth is we “peaked” in terms of actually required spec a couple of years ago, same for phones that are now the same equivalent small slabs.
My point is I’m wondering if this AI bet will have deeper consequence for the industry overall with the realization for most people (again, please before you reply : your average consumer, the person who browse the Web, watch a video of a TV series, play some games for fun, NOT a professional!) that the hardware they have TODAY is good enough.
Get your point but most 4K encodings I see are ~10-20GB.
Another interesting metric is piracy trends, checking a popular show, e.g Fallout and its latest episode namely S02E05 :
… and 2160p gets 50 seeds!
Of course that’s just 1 datapoint and it’d have to be replicated (maybe it was released after the other versions, maybe it’s a show people do NOT want in high res, etc) but it’s quite a big gap.
The problem with your argument is that while you can buy the lower res movie because you don’t need more and if a lower res doesn’t exist you can still watch the high res on your low res TV, you can’t choose to buy a lower install size game or software.
When you buy those, the size it is is usually what you will have to install to use it, and if you can’t buy a large enough storage to install it…
I’d be curious to know if game size is increasing over time. My intuition is that we also peaked at 200GB installs. There are bigger games but on average I’m not sure we installation size keeps on growing.
AI has really been great for the economy.
if 100% of the hardware goes to running data centers then we’ll just get cloud computers which are really good and fun to use and we like them for $40
Oh wow, 500$. So what?
We will never be able to replace our old thinkpads
Why isn’t there a companies just for the consumer market?
Butlerian Jihad When?
Glad I picked up new NAS drives when I did. 8x 18TB Seagate Exos for $180 each. Two years later its doubled
themurphy@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
Are we really sure that AI is not just used as a scape goat for companies to raise prices?
Why HDDs?
WereCat@lemmy.world 2 days ago
It’s a cascade effect. Memory pricing went up -> Increased price of SSD with DRAM cache -> Increased pricing of DRAM-less SSDs after demand shifted -> HDDs became significantly more cost effective again as a storage device but now the demand for them increased so price went up for them as well.
2 months ago I’ve got Samsung 990 EVO Plus 4TB for 235€ now that’s the price of 2TB.
I’ve got 8TB Seagate Exos 7E10 8TB for 182€ in May now it’s almost 260€.
We’re fucked…
73ms@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
if you are looking this from the US that is not necessarily the only thing that could be driving prices up though. You’ve got tariffs and a much weaker dollar than it used to be right now…
DarkCloud@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Yeah right, of they’re buying thousands of terrabytes, I doubt they’re doing in in 1 TB HDD SATA drives.
mushroommunk@lemmy.today 2 days ago
My understanding is the large AI companies sign purchase agreements with the manufacturers for X amount of drives. The manufacturers then take whatever chips/platters and build those drives. The AI companies have signed such large agreements that all the chips and layers are going to whatever drives they’re asking for and none left to make consumer drives.
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 2 days ago
The compone ts to make an HDD are almost the same though
PixxlMan@lemmy.world 1 day ago
The tools which make 1 tb HDDs also make bigger ones.
Denvil@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
I work at a data center, and there are indeed big arrays of 1 tb sata HDDs. Although this isn’t for AI, our main clients are local companies and healthcare
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 days ago
Storage capacity for datacenters and other data-hungry business operations (think YouTube scale).
Current alternatives don’t reach the same capacity for dollar without caveats (magnetic tape has an incredibly slow seek time and SSDs are too expensive for non-cache usage).
Of course, AI data harvesting is essentially creating artificial (sorry) demand for even more data capacity, and it doesn’t make rational sense for them to use other forms of hardware.
Fun fact - the scale of data involved is so great that Google famously used “sneakernets” (give an employee a backpack of hard drives and tell them to go from A to B) over traditional internet or intranet connections between their larger facilities in the 2010s, because it was faster.
XeroxCool@lemmy.world 2 days ago
The data used to create that image of the black hole had a transfer speed of 14GB/s because ~700TB of it was captured in Antarctica and spent 14 hours traveling by plane
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
All prices have been fake since the bailouts started.