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• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Bluesky has started honoring takedown requests from Turkish government⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩:

  Do you have a proposal for how you’d solve the other half then or just think it isn’t enough?

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Bluesky has started honoring takedown requests from Turkish government⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  Well it is fundamentally better because it does not only have a single party that makes all the calls thanks to the real decentralization. I wouldn’t call all of fediverse “the good guys” but I would call it “good”.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Bluesky has started honoring takedown requests from Turkish government⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  Because they’re focused on just user numbers probably and many people from Turkey recently moved there. This decision might of course cause a decline anyway.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Bluesky has started honoring takedown requests from Turkish government⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  Whether anything about it is for a good reason is very much a contested point. There are significant issues they introduced with the design while trying to address some that exist in ActivityPub.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Bluesky has started honoring takedown requests from Turkish government⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  they could also choose to fight it exactly like Twitter under Dorsey did and as Wikipedia did (and won). Instead they’re instantly just obeying and even setting up to obey multiple other countries like Russia too.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Bluesky has started honoring takedown requests from Turkish government⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  Yeah, one of my main gripes with them is how much they talk about decentralization and how much it stays as vaporware while they focus on the more pressing issue of the moment.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Bluesky has started honoring takedown requests from Turkish government⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  Yes and the thread I linked to explained why it is not looking like it’s particularly well thought out for that case. Even beyond those issues they’ve always seemed very naive about what the company turning adversarial would actually be able to do but then again they obviously also have to worry about making money.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Bluesky has started honoring takedown requests from Turkish government⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  I don’t think you got the point tbh. It isn’t about wanting to separate but about how dependent you are on Bluesky Corp. in every other scenario (and how hard it would be to deal with the situation if they decide to go rogue).

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Bluesky has started honoring takedown requests from Turkish government⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  seems to be a fairly recent development that isn’t really documented much for now (not that running relays and some other components of the network is that well documented in general). Of course doing it that way also doesn’t help with how centralized the whole thing is…

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Bluesky has started honoring takedown requests from Turkish government⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  PDS is not very significant, it’s just a tiny piece of the puzzle and doesn’t really prove anything about the architecture. See this for more on what I’m getting at: neuromatch.social/@jonny/113365406995624763

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Bluesky has started honoring takedown requests from Turkish government⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  I have zero need to play games with you. Make your case if you have one.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Bluesky has started honoring takedown requests from Turkish government⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  I wouldn’t be surprised if he held some share of it but Dorsey probably doesn’t have much to do with Bluesky anymore, at least in an official capacity. The more salient point is about not really trusting any single party that asserts centralized control over a platform.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Bluesky has started honoring takedown requests from Turkish government⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  your home computers would probably not have the reliability or the disk performance required to run it.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Bluesky has started honoring takedown requests from Turkish government⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  it keeps constantly growing by terabytes and needs to be fast too though. Means you’re going to pay more than most private individuals are able to long-term just for the privilege of running that one component.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Bluesky has started honoring takedown requests from Turkish government⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  yeah the DM system is something completely exclusive to their official servers and that they just rolled up without caring at all about trying to keep up the pretense of wanting to build something decentralized.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Bluesky has started honoring takedown requests from Turkish government⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  source for that?

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Bluesky has started honoring takedown requests from Turkish government⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:

  Your “example of self hosting” is not an example of self hosting the relay, just an appview which is still being fully dependent of other Bluesky services like the relay. It’s pretty unlikely that the relay would be at all practical to host on a RPi5. But even if it was the problem still remains that the network is set up in a way where self-hosting it only results in you creating your own separate bubble, not meaningfully participating in the official one.

  I also doubt anyone has selfhosted relays long-term since right now there’s very little purpose to that and the resource requirements are massive as well as keep growing at a fast pace in terms of the disk space required.