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antaymonkey@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Uhh… today’s AAA studios have THOUSANDS of employees, hundreds of millions of dollars in budgets, and huge IPs on which to draw. Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Assassin’s Creed, Diablo, Warcraft, Mass Effect, Dragon Age… these studios have VASTLY larger resources than Larian. Like, an order of magnitude larger. This is gaslighting and whining. I’m not having it. Do better, AAA devs. Do a lot better.

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- DreamySweet@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  That’s why their games suck. Smaller teams and budgets make better products.
  
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- MrBodyMassage@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  The Divinity games are some of my favorites ever made. It makes me giddy that BG3 is doing so well to embarrass big companies 😂
  
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  - FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    This is partly why I ponied up full price.
    
    I want more games from Larian.
    
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chuckleslord@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
I have no problem if games reached this via a similar model that Larian used here (lots of experienced staff, pre-built systems, 6 years of development, 3 years of expertly done early-access with a highly engaged player base) but they’re not going to. They’re going to implement more crunch, more abuse, more destruction of the few people who want to work in games in order to get there. And that’s where I have the issue.

I want shorter games, with worse graphics, made by people who get paid more to do less. Because that’s what’s needed to make truly great games. People who are passionate, not burning themselves out just to barely make deadlines, make great games.

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- MimicJar@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  
  I want shorter games, with worse graphics, made by people who get paid more to do less.
  
  Honestly that’s an excellent summary.
  
  Don’t get me wrong BG3 is probably one of the best games I’ve ever played and I eventually want BG4 or whatever expansion/spin-off/sequel they want to make. However I waited 23 years between BG2 and BG3, I don’t want to wait that long again, but I can wait.
  
  But to your point I want good games. I don’t need 100+ hour adventures. In general I don’t want 100+ hour adventures. Those should be rare. I want games that I can finish (at a casual pace) in a weekend or two.
  
  Portal 1? Braid? Both are short puzzle games that are absolutely fantastic.
  
  Stanley Parable? Gone Home? Excellent story games. You can beat them in about as much time as it takes to watch a movie.
  
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  - assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    It’s disappointing that AAA studios don’t recognize this. I don’t want a bloated game that takes 300 hours to experience most of it. I don’t want a giant map. I want a good game. I want a small map filled with life, not a large one with soulless procedurally generated dungeons.
    
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  - snippyfulcrum@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    I’m just putting it out there that I have finished almost 3 different playthroughs and I would 300% purchase DLC.
    
    If the initial game is a full game and satisfactorily so, I would gladly fork over more money for additional content.
    
    DLC is not inherently bad. It’s just the way most companies have done it is.
    
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- Ashtear@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  What’s particularly notable about this well above average gaming year is that the two top games so far aren’t using state-of-the-art graphics.
  
  Given how messy PC gaming has been lately, with a recent history of GPU shortages followed by an underwhelming new generation and some very poor optimization, I wouldn’t mind seeing a trend of game development slowing down on graphics tech for a bit.
  
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  - pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    We have to go back!
    
    But also legitimately. Like remember how good games would get near the end of a console’s lifecycle? Then a new console generation would drop and the games would look cool sharp, but also a bit wonky, until enough years has past, and thennn… another new console generation would drop, and the constraints would disappear. Always too soon, I thought - just as the games were getting truly good again!
    
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  - Isthisreddit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Educate a pleeb here, I’ve been out of the gaming loop. What’s the notable exceptions of great games this year and what two that are not state-of-the-art graphics do you mean?
    
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TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Complaining about it having funding… AAA… lol. Thats the fucking point of AAA. Big fucking budget.

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- zikk_transport2@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  A - Big A - Fucking A - Funding
  
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  - TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    I read this in stereotyped Italian fuckin Mario voice.
    
    AAA stands for “Abig Afuckin’ Abuget”
    
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rich@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Meanwhile:

Jan 2022: “Heres xenoblade 3, an absolutely gigantic single player game, no microtransactions, pushes the console to it’s absolute limit, Monolithsoft at the top of their fucking game. Announced today, out in eight months.”

April 2022: “Lol sike, it’s now out in july”.

Baldurs gate is fucking sweet, but let’s not act like it’s a unique occurance in AAA gaming.

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- UsernameIsTooLon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Xenoblade 3 is a Nintendo exclusive. Baldur’s Gate is unique to me because a game like this hasn’t clicked with me since Dragon Age Origins.
  
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- Gullible@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  That waifu/husbando enslavement game was AAA??
  
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  - rich@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    No, that was 2. That mechanic and plot point doesn’t exist in 3. 3 has very little, if any, fanservice.
    
    And yes, AAA. It cost multiple millions, hundreds of staff working on it, hundreds of hours of VA including notable UK talent (Jenna Coleman, etc), a fully orchestral soundtrack by Yasunori Mitsuda recorded in multiple countries, and the game itself pushes the switch to breaking point. It absolutely counts.
    
    There’s loads of other examples of decent single player experiences without bullshit, this one just came to mind first. And I hope Baldurs Gate’s success brings more like these
    
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FrostKing@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
AAA companies: Makes bad game and releases apology promising to make good games now

Also AAA companies: We are not capable of making good games, stop expecting to much.

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whenigrowup356@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Yeah, don’t expect funding for AAA games!

Wait…

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- Orphan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  To the contrary, they had to pay to have the IP
  
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CosmicCleric@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Remember fellow gamers, you hold the power of the purse, you get the final vote with your wallet.

If some studio head or developer manager tries to tell you that you have to accept micro transactions and such, just say no thank you, and move on.

There are plenty of other games from other good studios out there for you to give your hard-earned money to.

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- icepuncher69@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Dont say no thamk you, give them the middle finger and tell everyone to not buy it
  
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Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Cry some more, corpos.

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Alterecho@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
I think that one (HUGE) part of BG3’s success is that it was in Early Access for, what, 2-3 years? During which it grew a dedicated modding scene, received a metric fuck-ton of feedback, and regularly dropped large content patches. This wasn’t an average dev cycle, and I think it shows. In some ways, the Dev. Feedback and interactivity reminded me a lot of the way Warframe does dev interactions.

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- AceCephalon@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Yeah, I agree with that similarity to Warframe’s level of developer interaction.
  
  Sure, in the past they’ve been slower to respond to feedback about problems, and often times old things have fallen out of relevance because something else just outright does the same thing, and more, but better.
  
  But as it is now, DE really seems to be prioritizing listening to feedback, almost exponentially so, and as an example, bringing things up to par with what they should be at the current level of the game, a concept that much more rarely got the implementation it deserved in years before.
  
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GreenMario@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Wizards of the coast paid $0 to fund this game, that’s why it says Larian in the publisher field on Steam and not WoTC or Hasbro.

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seejur@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
It is exactly what I except going forward because, as that moron mentioned this is a fucking AAA game, not a Indy game.

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Stinkywinks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Who the f is Shawn, wtf is evolve? Why is every shitty game dev crying that other people make good games, without shame? Oh that’s right, based on their releases, they have no shame.

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- killeronthecorner@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  He didn’t have anyone’s attention and he craves attention and now he has lots of attention, so I guess everything is coming up Milhouse as far as Shawn is concerned.
  
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HellAwaits@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Honestly, this kind of pleading from the other AAA developers is just making them look pathetic. Yes, it’s reasonable not to expect BG3 for every AAA games, but it’s not because of time and money, but simply because developers are just not always going to make lightning strike twice. But these devs have plenty of time and money and they look terrible in comparison to a dev that took it’s time to make sure it was well polished before release.

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kn0wmad1c@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
The one thing that Shawn forgot to say is “Larian’s boardrooms aren’t filled with people who don’t play video games!!”

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- Gogogadget@artemis.camp ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  It's mostly owned by Sven, who is obviously very passionate about video games, storytelling, and tactical rpgs.
  
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Syrc@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Hear that Gamefreak, owner of the highest-grossing media franchise of all times?

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- altima_neo@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  They learned their lesson though. They don’t need to put on any effort and people will still buy it.
  
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Koen967@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Well Shawn. How about this is the new standard for AAA games and if you can’t reach it than you are a AA studio at most.

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- Syo@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Even more ironic. Larian started BG3 6 years ago, or when they were still arguably AA studio.
  
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TheObserver@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Who are these people? Seems like some randos if you ask me.

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Call_Me_Maple@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Those developers trying to shit on Larian need to cry and seethe more. Terribly incompetent people who can’t create good games themselves, why not trying taking notes instead?

Keep up the great work Larian.

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- Goronmon@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  
  Those developers trying to shit on Larian need to cry and seethe more.
  
  I can't find developers doing things. Seems like a mostly made up concern by overly sensitive people looking to be angry about something.
  
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  - Call_Me_Maple@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    The picture in the OP is PR for a publishing company. There are many other accounts of people who work in the industry who are angry/jealous of Larian. You’re probably just not looking in the right places.
    
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  - Ilandar@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    
    I can’t find developers doing this.
    
    This entire story was started by game developers on social media (Twitter) complaining about consumer expectations in the wake of Baldur’s Gate 3.
    
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- RegularGoose@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  This is the bad take management wants you to have.
  
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  - Call_Me_Maple@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Who in management exactly? As far as I know Larian is not responsible for the tweets aside from just making a good game.
    
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- Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Try actually reading what the developers are saying. Most are saying that they can’t make good games because the suits won’t let them. They keep fucking over and chasing off the most experienced and visionary people, force teams to chase trends instead of concentrating on one type of game and never give them enough time.
  
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  - Call_Me_Maple@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    From all that I’ve seen it’s more like they are trying to dismiss the success that Larian has found by saying that they are a special case which is nothing but smoke and mirrors. Larian did hard work and are being rewarded for it.
    
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funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
"what funding?"is a dumb question. all companies have funding. especially software. very few companies legit started in a basement and progressed to international status relying purely on profit and loss sheets.

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- Akrenion@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  It is not when replying to the comment. There was no funding for being a dnd game. They are simply lying for their point.
  
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- caseofthematts@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Just as an FYI, the user who posted “what funding?” Works for Larian; director of publishing.
  
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- theodewere@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  you are ignorant.. you don't understand what he's talking about.. they are both talking about VC funding.. that means Venture Capital, which you did not know.. for some reason you are here being ignorant and loud about something you do not understand..
  
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  - funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Larian recieved debt funding to found in 2009, late stage VC in 2011 (presumably to offset loan repayments), recieved ongoing support from Arkafund VC and has crowd funded every year 2013–2019. Tencent bought 3006 shares for 30% stake in either 2020 or '21 (not sure exact date).
    
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Xanvial@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Tencent owns 30% of Larian iirc, so most likely from them

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- MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Time to kneel down and pray to our future Chinese Overlords, for they are everywhere and everything.
  
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  - Num10ck@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    nah their demographics are doomed
    
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- Frogster8@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Interesting I didn’t know that, how long have they owned 30%?
  
  This post is a bit reminiscent of r/gamercirclejerk but at least your comment taught me something new and salvaged it
  
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chickenwing@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
People have been saying this game is exciting because of the lack of mtx, but it seems to me that any big rpg gets a lot of attention. Eldan Ring got similar praise last year. Bioware was making these kinds of games fairly consistently about a decade ago and then stopped to make shit like Anthem. It’s a design decision not a budget problem.

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- squaresinger@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Microtransactions come with specific challenges. Specifically, you have to give the players a reason to pay them, and that’s usually done by making the game purpously worse for those who don’t pay.
  
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  - Calatia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Or the other trend these days, Wich is to remove content from the base game and sell it as dlc or just money-gate it even if it’s on the base disk/release.
    
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Hazdaz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
I have a large backlog of games to play before I even think about buying anything new, but is this even a good game? Serious question because I know there has been a huge amount of press on it, but haven’t watched any reviews yet (on purpose because I hate spoilers and don’t want to be tempted with a new purchase yet).

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- emptyother@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Yes. Yes it is. Excellent story so far. Gameplay is the best of DnD mixed with the best part of Divinity Original Sin 2. Difficulty is maybe a bit harsh the first few levels when an encounter with a bad initiative can take you out before its your turn. It looks graphically good and runs fine on older graphic cards. The companions have interesting backstories and related quests.
  
  I havent tested it in co-op yet.
  
  I have encountered a few bugs: Actors missing in cutscenes. Money-stacks getting corrupted. The ugly pre-order clothes just disappearing after a patch. But nothing serious.
  
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  - Zoomboingding@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Co-op is excellent. Drop in/drop out works flawlessly, no lag. One issue is that a player can start an encounter without the others and people can miss out on story. All in all highly recommended.
    
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  - MrBusiness@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Co-op is legit, only had a stuttering issue that we all experienced in a certain area. But we reloaded the save and it worked fine again
    
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- jjjalljs@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  It uses DND 5e as the underlying rules set. I hate DND 5e. It’s a garbage system full of old bad ideas, and it has such tremendous brand awareness it sucks all the air out of the hobby space.
  
  Baldur’s Gate 3 is still an extremely good game in spite of all that.
  
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  - Carighan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    That sounds promising, because like you I really really really do not like the DnD system. But to hear that the game is decent in spite of that makes me curious about trying it soon, TYVM. :)
    
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- Zehzin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Do you like old school CRPGs?
  
  Do you like tabletop/pen and paper RPGs?
  
  Do you have one to 3 friends to play with?
  
  If the answer is yes to 2 of those, then I highly recommend it.
  
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- landsharkkidd@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Honestly I’d recommend watching someone play it to get an idea of if you like it. Steam also has the option to let you “borrow” someone’s account so I’m sure if you have friends playing this you could ask. That’s what I did and enjoyed it so much I ended up buying it.
  
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- MonkRome@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Haven’t played it, but been reading/watching a lot of reviews. Seems like they got a lot right and a few things wrong, still some early bugs but not nearly the amount that most releases have, some people complain about length (very long playthroughs might drag out for some, especially the slow combat). But I suspect many people will love or hate this game based on whether they like turn based combat.
  
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  - Siethron@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    I bought the game early access a couple years ago. The reason they got so few things wrong is they actually listened to community feedback from the early access. They made a lot of minor changes on things (from what I saw most of that was to make the game feel more like DND)
    
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- Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  If you approach it with a standard videogame attitude (get the strongest weapons and most powerful skills, steal everything that is worth good money and so on), then it is a solid game.
  
  If you approach it as a simulated tabletop rpg game, it is fantastic. You can experiment with all sorts of things. For example: in one fight I was outnumbered and cornered in a small room, with enemies coming from outside. I pulled some furniture in front of the door to block the passage, threw some oil on the ground in the other side and lit it with a torch, then hid my characters behind the walls out of any projectile’s path until I could fully heal them.
  
  Unlike other games those weren’t things that the devs put there specifically for this fight. There was no button prompt suggesting the furniture could be moved or anything like that. They just put a bunch of stuff in the world that can be interacted with in many ways depending on what sort of skill you have and leave it up to you to find a way to use them, or not. You can still min-max your stats and ignore all that. You won’t even know you’re missing anything.
  
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johnlobo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
this “dev” are really dumb.

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timdave@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
“what funding?” Bro you’re kidding right?

They made a D&D video game. The most popular and successful board game ever made. They had BUCKETS of funding from wizards of the Coast for this. They also had a massive studio with more than 400 people working on it.

James Stephanie Sterling did a fantastic video about Baldur’s Gate 3. Essentially, everything came together in just the right way for this game to be made. It’s not responsible to call this the new standard in the same world where we vilify overwork and ‘crunch-time’, but that’s not to say you shouldn’t expect more from game developers. You absolutely should. But you should do so reasonably.

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- Remmock@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I hear tell that the “bro” is on the dev team, so he may know a thing or two.
  
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- alertsleeper@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I’m pretty sure EA and Activision-Blizzard have similar or bigger budgets for their AAA games and they either make shit or microtransactions-filled games.
  
  2K is huge and they always make NBA2K decent/good but full of terrible microtransactions
  
  Nintendo is huge and look at Pokemon Scarlet and Violet.
  
  Reportedly, Wizards of the coast made around 1.3billion in revenue, while EA made around 7billion, and Activision-Blizzard made around 1.5billion.
  
  I’m no financial expert so maybe I’m mistaken in some figure, but the bottom line is WotC is not the only big (and growing) company, so this are nothing but excuses.
  
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  - Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Ok, but what does that have to do with addressing the dude who claims the game had no funding implying it had a small budget when it didn’t?
    
    He’s not saying anything about the MTX or lack thereof; he’s calling out the idiot saying BG3 had no funding.
    
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Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

What funding?

Uh… Didn’t WOTC commission and pay for the game?

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Tag365@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
And they’re staring to have Battle Passes have multiple tiers of cost such as in Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 and NBA 2K24. What’s next? Multiple battle passes at once like in the free to play Monster Legends? In $69.99 priced games? Where the battle passes cost at least $19.99 per month?

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defluo@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
I find it sad that if you make a decent game now you are praised. It’s not that good. That’s just how low the bar is now.

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stephenc@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Now if they’d just make it an actual game rather than a story-heavy romp that should have been a movie instead. BG has always aspired to be a Western version of a JRPG, and it’s terrible.

I don’t celebrate mediocrity.

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