That’s the point.
You just can’t admit that women are right.
The whole "toilet seat up, toilet seat down" gender debate could be solved by everybody putting the seat and lid down.
Submitted 7 hours ago by Quilotoa@lemmy.ca to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
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GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 19 minutes ago
favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 45 minutes ago
Toilets are gross. Put the lid down.
ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 hours ago
Always keep the lid down to minimize poop spray!
rbos@lemmy.ca 2 hours ago
You don’t want to microdose poop to boost your immune system? Lame.
ghen@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
Flushing with the lid up is 🤢
DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 34 minutes ago
How long do you wait before lifting the lid back up to check for streaks?
5oap10116@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
But then you dont get to watch it go down
RichardDegenne@lemmy.zip 2 hours ago
But how do you check if you need to brush the bowl? Do you just wait for the flush to end and then raise the lid again to check under?
SpruceBringsteen@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Gonna be honest, I’m just peeing that off the next time I go.
The brush is for routine cleans or times of true digestive discord.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
if your shits are thick enough, every flush is a brush flush.
squaresinger@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Put toilet paper into the bowl before pooping and you never have a need to brush the bowl.
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 hours ago
I don’t even piss standing up anymore, but I’m still a firm believer in the concept of “it really isn’t that hard to just look before you sit”.
adarza@lemmy.ca 6 hours ago
I don’t even piss standing up anymore
the correct solution.
Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de 6 hours ago
True power comes from not using the power.
I can stand and piss… but for many reasons I prefer to sit.
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 hours ago
Tbh, it’s just easier and less messy. I don’t gotta focus on aiming, and I don’t have to worry about getting griped at for forgetting to put the seat down. Standing is really only a better option if you’re in public and in a rush.
aeronmelon@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
melfie@lemy.lol 6 hours ago
Yeah, for men, standing up is just going to get piss everywhere. Men also need to wipe themselves afterwards, not just shake. Some men consider both of these practices to be overly-feminizing or whatever, but not having piss all over yourself and the bathroom is unequivocally a good thing.
tabris@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
I wear shorts for most of the year. Using a urinal while wearing shorts, you realise how much piss splashes everywhere. Really not hygienic.
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 hours ago
Couldn’t agree more
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
I started doing this over 30 years ago, when I shared a restroom at work with a few women. I kept doing it.
Where I grew up and live, there are two types of toilets, those designed to be sat upon, and those designed to be stood in front of. Use them as they were designed to be used, and they work better.
I’ve only ever seen photos of squat toilets. I imagine that men stand in front of them and piss all over them?
Triumph@fedia.io 7 hours ago
It's a lesson you learn once.
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 hours ago
Apparently not, considering the bitchy comments I’ve gotten from women in my life lol.I learned it after the first time, but hey.
radix@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
The lid always goes down when not in use at my house.
“It’s a shit receptacle, not a water feature” has been repeated to anyone who doesn’t know the rule.
cenzorrll@piefed.ca 30 minutes ago
I’ve had my neighbor get their sewer line worked on that somehow resulted in making my toilets explode with sewer gas and shit particles.
The lid stays down.
korendian@lemmy.zip 53 minutes ago
It could be solved by not talking about it anymore, because it’s a dumb debate anyway.
Jankatarch@lemmy.world 55 minutes ago
Use a bidet.
nomy@lemmy.zip 49 minutes ago
Ok, but that has nothing to do with putting the seat down or leaving it up.
wetsoggybread@lemmy.world 50 minutes ago
Bidets have nothing to do with the toilet seat unless you’re talking about guys pissing in the bidet which I guess you could do but not everyone has one
dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 56 minutes ago
Assuming 50% of people in the world have a penis (it’s lower but for the sake of argument we’ll say 50%), more than 50% of bathroom visits require sitting. People with vulvas need to sit, but so does anyone who is pooping, as well as anyone who has one of a number of conditions that makes standing during a bathroom visit untenable. Therefore, the seat should always be put down.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
the real solution is to always leave it up
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
I genuinely cannot understand why someone wouldn’t want their seat and lid down at all times when not in use.
CannonFodder@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
I would agree, but just yesterday I was visiting my mom and she asked that we leave the lid up in the rarely used guest bathroom because with it closed, it encourages mold growth. So I guess there’s that.
proudblond@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
That’s a fair case. We don’t use one of our tubs and every once in a while we have to flush it with water because we get sewer smell. Unused bathroom facilities apparently cause problems.
bajabound@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
I switched out to the slow close seats so there’s really no effort or slamming. Just push, wait 2 seconds, then flush.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
It’s late, I’m drunk, I barely remembered to get the seat up before doing my business, and I’m used to living on my own.
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
Even when I lived alone and was drunk, I closed the lid. Doesn’t make sense to me.
remon@ani.social 7 hours ago
It could also be solved by everybody always putting the seat up …
But it won’t because everybody not agreeing on one course IS the more fundamental problem.
theneverfox@pawb.social 7 hours ago
But seat down is more hygienic when you flush. It isv the morally situation superior position
myrmidex@belgae.social 7 hours ago
How is it more hygienic? I can’t imagine that extra brim holding off a lot of the shit particles launched into the room upon flushing.
proudblond@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
I think the idea of “fairness” comes in that everyone has to do something, regardless of whether you use the seat or not. If you don’t use the seat, then you put the lid and seat down (presumably in one go). If you do use the seat, you put the lid down. Either way, you have to lift something before you use the toilet.
Personally I think toilets should just have their lids closed when not in use, regardless.
remon@ani.social 2 hours ago
Personally I think toilets should just have their lids closed when not in use, regardless.
I agree. But the sole reason is that I don’t want my cat to drink out of it (and potentially fall in). I’m also an enjoyer of the sit-down-wee, so no arguing there, either.
There are still good reasons for having other opinions about it, tough, for people in other circumstances. And that’s exactly why this is just a disagreement that can’t be solved all and for once.
aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
That’s what I do. If you get a soft close lid all it requires is a tiny tap on the lid.
Kongar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 hours ago
Any couple that fights over the toilet seat (or toothpaste or whatever other stupid thing) is doomed - get out now before it gets worse.
My wife of almost 30 years can have whatever she wants and I’m happy to provide it - especially if it’s something as stupid as the toilet seat. I spoil her, she spoils me. We’re happy.
lauha@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Lid should go down unless you want all the poopy microparticles coming from your toilet when flushed.
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 hours ago
Amazing that people think shit aerosolizes when flushed.
AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 hours ago
A quick internet search shows that having the lid up or down doesn’t matter for bathroom surface contamination
lauha@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Not literally the shit but the shitwater does splash more when the lid is up
PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 hours ago
Should be easy to test, but I have to acknowledge the only evidence on the subject I use comes exclusively from the show “Mythbusters” lol
xistera@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 hours ago
paultimate14@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
I grew up with a dog. The toilet seat was always kept down to keep him away from drinking it, because we had toilet cleaning pucks in the tank that would have potentially poisoned him. Nothing to do with gender at all.
Also the mythbusters episode on toilet water splashing out onto bathroom surfaces scarred me as a child. We have a soft-close lid and I wait a few seconds for it to get to a low angle before I even flush.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today 4 hours ago
The mythbusters episode convinced me. That water flush makes everything spiral upwards, and it lands in your toothbrush.
People who don’t put the toilet seat down are unaware they’re brushing with shit particles.
stringere@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 hours ago
I’ve always been a lid fully closed person because of animals. The water here is bad enough that the toilet tank needs water treatment pucks, and those chemicals shouldn’t be consumed by pets.
It has been such a fucking struggle with the men who visit or live with me. And it makes absolutely no sense other than just being lazy and inconsiderate.
Whenever I go to someone else’s place, I leave the lid the same way I found it, or if I can’t remember how I found it, fully closed is safest (hardly anyone gets upset by that). That’s the polite thing to do. But that’s apparently just too much for lots of dudes. They come into the home of a woman who lives alone and leave the bathroom the way they want it with zero regard for who actually lives there.
They get one talking to about it, then I start slamming the lid down behind them, very passive aggressively. It doesn’t take them super long to figure it out, but WAY LONGER THAN IT SHOULD! If they can’t figure it out within a couple days/visits, they don’t get to be there anymore. I can’t afford emergency vet appointments for something that shouldn’t even be a problem.
Agent641@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
I’m from a lid down family too but for different animals. If you left the lid up, you might come back to a family of motorbike frogs nesting in the bowl.
ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 hours ago
Haha I’ve always kinda wanted to live somewhere that random animals in the bowl is a thing that happens. Not because it sounds fun, it doesn’t, but because it sounds interesting and unique. I’m sure that would wear off quick the first time I was desperate to use the toilet and found something that didn’t belong, but still :p
mp04610@lemmy.zip 2 hours ago
In this house we do lid up and seat down.
Every family member is asked to sit down.
Both decisions are purely convenience driven:
lid up -> you can just sit down without having to touch or adjust anything. After you’re done, you just get up without touching anything (except to flush).
seat down -> I’m unwilling to deal with the mess created by people (myself included) that inevitably happens when peeing standing up. So everybody sitting is the way to go.
Where this fails is guests that are unfamiliar with how we do it. It also doesn’t take splashes from flushing into consideration. But in all my years of using the facilities, I have not noticed a significant amount of dirt around the toilet that I would consider problematic.
squaresinger@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
The point of lid down is that while flushing you don’t spray shit aerosol through the whole room.
Next time you flush with the lid open, just take a second to visualize the shit you are breathing right then.
slothrop@lemmy.ca 6 hours ago
The lid should be down before you flush.
Would you put your face 8cm above the bowl as you flush? No! Even with the lid down. Any dude who’s ever pissed anywhere barefoot or in shorts knows the splash radius…Shirow@lemmy.zip 7 hours ago
Oh… I’m already doing that with my wife and in any case I’m always sitting down. I thought it was more commun to do that.
I mean I always thought it was more hygenic to prevent the “splash zone”…
SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 5 hours ago
You might think, but a couple of weeks ago, uhh, a friend was sitting on the toilet at work when m…, I mean his equipment retracted and shot a stream of urine over the rim, which fortunately(?) was contained by his pants and underwear. Reportedly, he had to drape them over the vents in his urine-smelling office until they were dry enough so that he could go home and change clothes.
zout@fedia.io 3 hours ago
Beginners mistake, you should always wield a semi when doing this.
blackn1ght@feddit.uk 5 hours ago
I dunno why people care what position the seat & lid are in. It takes like 1 second to put it into the required configuration.
FosterMolasses@leminal.space 4 hours ago
It’s an argument of gender power dynamics, ie. who is the one to be expected to adjust the seat and who gets to enjoy it as is. That’s what these silly sort of things always come down to.
facelessbs@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
When you flush the lid should closed so urine and fecal particles don’t become airborne.
FishFace@piefed.social 4 hours ago
They still become airborne. Someone else has been posting a link to an article which found no significant difference in floor contamination regardless of lid position.
mech@feddit.org 3 hours ago
It could also be solved by everyone putting the seat where they want it to be.
anon_8675309@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
The toilet is more tidy when everything is down.
MudMan@fedia.io 7 hours ago
Why is this a debate? I'm always confused by this one and how everybody assumes it's a huge argument. Why are people annoyed at either? I don't even register what state the toilet seat is at when I arrive. I'll just adjust it based on whatever it is I need. What is the supposed annoyance at lowering (or raising) the seat? Is that not what you do before doing your business regardless? Don't you mostly leave the whole lid down anyway? Why is this such a cliche? I do not get it.
0ops@piefed.zip 6 hours ago
I’m right there with you on this one. I’ve literally shared a toilet my entire life with a large family, dozens of roommates over the years, etc and I’ve literally never once had somebody get after me for how the seat was left, nor have I even thought about the position of the seat before automatically setting it how I need before I go. I mean I get moving the lid down for sanitary reasons but just the seat down or up? Why’s it my job to predict who’s using the pot next and how they’ll want the seat configured? Should I prepare and deliver them wads of toilet paper too? Roll out a red carpet? Here’s what I’ll do, Imma put the whole fucken lid down, and then they can do whatever the hell they want when they get in there.
MudMan@fedia.io 5 hours ago
Yeah, with a semi-large household there's a fairly even chance of anybody needing or wanting any sort of configuration on the toilet. But mostly you just... you know, put the whole lid down. For one so you don't spray your poop all over when you flush, for another because it... you know, looks nice.
I get wiping the edge if you're a peer-stander-upper. I get making sure there's paper left. I get cleaning the bowl (which Americans don't get because they poo in swimming pools, as it turns out). I don't get the argument about the toilet seat position specfiically.
Incidentally, I used to think the argument was about dudes not putting the seat up to pee and spraying their stuff all over the seat, plus the mist then leaking under and drying at the bottom, so if you don't wipe after yourself it ends up getting all crusty under there. For the longest time I assumed the argument was that people were mad at dudes peeing witht he seat down, and only later realized that's apparently not what people are mad about?
bluGill@fedia.io 6 hours ago
Some people care. Those who don't should just respect them by always leaving it down. Understanding isn't asked for, just respect
MudMan@fedia.io 5 hours ago
They care about what? What do these people want to happen that is not happening and why?
This is a conversation I've literally never had about an issue I've never heard being an issue outside of that one joke in The Big Lebowski and other US media. I genuinely don't know what sort of cultural or personal context this "caring" is supposed to be about.
Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 6 hours ago
Or, be an adult and adjust it as you need.
Hawke@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Some people care. Those who don’t should just respect them by always leaving it up. Understanding isn’t asked for, just respect.
I say this as someone who sits down to pee: adjust it according to your own desires. Recognize that if you sit down on an open toilet that’s on you for not checking, just like if you sit (or pee!) on a closed lid. It’s not someone else’s fault.
FosterMolasses@leminal.space 4 hours ago
Why are people annoyed at either?
Gender power dynamics.
MudMan@fedia.io 3 hours ago
You guys keep coming back with glib answers meant to comment on the question, and you're missing the point.
I genuinely don't know what the complaint is. I need someone to tell me that it's about people finding it gross to be within 30 cm of something previously exposed to a naked butt cheek for cultural reasons or something. I genuinely don't get it. Like, in practical terms. It's not a rhetorical question.
myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
I don’t get the leaving the seat up as a male. When I flush I don’t want pee and poop particles sprayed all over the room. That’s why I use a toilet in the first place
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 2 hours ago
If you leave the seat down how do you poop in the hole?
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
if I have learned anything from my time using public restrooms, having it open is still confusing for some as shit still gets smeared all over the walls, floor, and ceiling.
SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 5 hours ago
For 15 years I lived in an apartment with the bathroom shelves directly above the toilet. It’s a corollary of Murphy’s Law that anything dropped in the bathroom somehow will land in the toilet bowl. Hence, the lid stays closed.
DeepThought42@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
That’s precisely how the debate between myself any my SO was finally ended. The seat stays down now unless in use.
SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml 7 hours ago
Where is the dog supposed to get a drink from?
chisel@piefed.social 7 hours ago
My dog drinks just fine from the creek on the farm he ran off to when I was 7.
Hawke@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
The toilet, since the seat doesn’t block animal access.
I’d be worried about drips from the dog though.
superweeniehutjrs@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Yeah, I don’t want splash water getting anywhere else than the bowl. Also, what if I accidentally fumble something and drop it in the water. Even if there weren’t a lid, I’d put the seat down in case of a level 10 emergency
BlackPenguins@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
I’m a man living alone, with a cat. The seat has been down for 10 years.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 2 minutes ago
Anyone who cares this much about toilet seats isn’t worth associating with