The lid always goes down when not in use at my house.
“It’s a shit receptacle, not a water feature” has been repeated to anyone who doesn’t know the rule.
The whole "toilet seat up, toilet seat down" gender debate could be solved by everybody putting the seat and lid down.
Submitted 2 weeks ago by Quilotoa@lemmy.ca to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
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radix@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
cenzorrll@piefed.ca 2 weeks ago
I’ve had my neighbor get their sewer line worked on that somehow resulted in making my toilets explode with sewer gas and shit particles.
The lid stays down.
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I genuinely cannot understand why someone wouldn’t want their seat and lid down at all times when not in use.
bajabound@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I switched out to the slow close seats so there’s really no effort or slamming. Just push, wait 2 seconds, then flush.
CannonFodder@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I would agree, but just yesterday I was visiting my mom and she asked that we leave the lid up in the rarely used guest bathroom because with it closed, it encourages mold growth. So I guess there’s that.
proudblond@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s a fair case. We don’t use one of our tubs and every once in a while we have to flush it with water because we get sewer smell. Unused bathroom facilities apparently cause problems.
Septimaeus@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
This might be true if there is existing live mold somewhere in the toilet (for that, monthly tank bleach tablet) but otherwise a lid prevents spores from settling in the first place.
Humidity reduction by ventilation can slow/delay mold but only eradication stops it.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s late, I’m drunk, I barely remembered to get the seat up before doing my business, and I’m used to living on my own.
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Even when I lived alone and was drunk, I closed the lid. Doesn’t make sense to me.
ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Always keep the lid down to minimize poop spray!
rbos@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
You don’t want to microdose poop to boost your immune system? Lame.
ghen@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Flushing with the lid up is 🤢
5oap10116@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
But then you dont get to watch it go down
DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
How long do you wait before lifting the lid back up to check for streaks?
RichardDegenne@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
But how do you check if you need to brush the bowl? Do you just wait for the flush to end and then raise the lid again to check under?
SpruceBringsteen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Gonna be honest, I’m just peeing that off the next time I go.
The brush is for routine cleans or times of true digestive discord.
squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Put toilet paper into the bowl before pooping and you never have a need to brush the bowl.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
if your shits are thick enough, every flush is a brush flush.
remon@ani.social 2 weeks ago
It could also be solved by everybody always putting the seat up …
But it won’t because everybody not agreeing on one course IS the more fundamental problem.
theneverfox@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
But seat down is more hygienic when you flush. It isv the morally situation superior position
myrmidex@belgae.social 2 weeks ago
How is it more hygienic? I can’t imagine that extra brim holding off a lot of the shit particles launched into the room upon flushing.
proudblond@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I think the idea of “fairness” comes in that everyone has to do something, regardless of whether you use the seat or not. If you don’t use the seat, then you put the lid and seat down (presumably in one go). If you do use the seat, you put the lid down. Either way, you have to lift something before you use the toilet.
Personally I think toilets should just have their lids closed when not in use, regardless.
remon@ani.social 2 weeks ago
Personally I think toilets should just have their lids closed when not in use, regardless.
I agree. But the sole reason is that I don’t want my cat to drink out of it (and potentially fall in). I’m also an enjoyer of the sit-down-wee, so no arguing there, either.
There are still good reasons for having other opinions about it, tough, for people in other circumstances. And that’s exactly why this is just a disagreement that can’t be solved all and for once.
RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
… if everybody would agree with me.
motruck@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Lid down gang. Stop leaving your toilet seats up.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
Also keeps the fecal aerosol to a minimum.
favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Toilets are gross. Put the lid down.
bss03@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
Mythusters found fecal particles everywhere even when the lid was down. There’s no escape from gross, just finding an acceptable level.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If I’m remembering right Mythbusters found that there were fecal particles everywhere, but in wildly different amounts.
BurgerBaron@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Those fucking air blower hand dryers especially.
Evil_Incarnate@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Then all the bacteria are flung onto the lid, and when I sit down I might touch the lid with my back.
There’s plenty of bacteria in the air already, a million more aren’t going to hurt. Unless you have a norovirus, then you need to disinfect with bleach after you’re done.
Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You touch your back to the lid??
SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You don’t think there are plenty of bacteria on your back already? Not to mention it would likely be on the back of your shirt. What’s in the air goes straight into your lungs.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Yes. Close your biological waste disposal units, ya crude yokels!
QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Unless you’re immunocompromised it doesn’t make a difference. “Unhealthy” bacteria is literally everywhere. You have an immune system for a reason.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Just sit down to pee, losers.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
This 1000%. If you’re at home and have time, take a seat. There will be less pee spray. You’ll pee better in a sitting position. You’ll get a little break to check your phone, etc.
I saw this explained by some ex-convicts. It changed my peeing life.
kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I’m transfemme and still no lol
ebc@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I don’t sit down on short (round) toilets because there is no room for my “equipment”, but otherwise I agree.
Alphonsus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
🤣🤣🤣
RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“These invisible particles go on to coat and spread onto surfaces like floors and counters; or objects like hand towels, bathmats or even toothbrushes.
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Toilets are scientifically proven to continue to produce contaminated toilet plumes over multiple successive flushes as indicated in the above video.
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Toilet aerosols are known to contain Norovirus, SARS Coronavirus, Salmonella and many other Diseases.” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet_plumeTLDR: always put the lid down before flushing.
zqps@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I agree with the conclusion, but your toilet doesn’t simply spawn SARS viruses.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Yeah, I’m going to guess that if my toilet “makes” those diseases, it’s because I already have them.
EdgeOfDistraction@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t know you, but I’m willing to go out on a limb and say that you haven’t seen my toilet.
BanMe@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This study has been reviewed by other researchers, the original study chose an industrial toilet with a power flush. Notice how this toilet doesn’t even HAVE a seat. It’s like what you find in a hospital, they’re designed to basically flush a cornish game hen in 1 second.
Your 1.6L swirly home toilet doesn’t do the same, you can use a laser level to see for yourself. If the swirl is turbulent it’ll spray some, but lots of toilets don’t really emit mist much at all.
RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Well, that’s a bit of a relief.
I still believe that my regular toilet has a plume because I can feel the moisture of the droplets, so I’ll continue to keep the lid down, but still good to know that it isn’t that spectacular.
Shirow@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Oh… I’m already doing that with my wife and in any case I’m always sitting down. I thought it was more commun to do that.
I mean I always thought it was more hygenic to prevent the “splash zone”…
SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
You might think, but a couple of weeks ago, uhh, a friend was sitting on the toilet at work when m…, I mean his equipment retracted and shot a stream of urine over the rim, which fortunately(?) was contained by his pants and underwear. Reportedly, he had to drape them over the vents in his urine-smelling office until they were dry enough so that he could go home and change clothes.
zout@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
Beginners mistake, you should always wield a semi when doing this.
RedC@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Ive always put the lid down along with the seat. I believe its more sanitary and has the added benefit of women not falling fully in the bowl like when the seats up. Ive done this for about 15 years.
A few years after I started doing this, I was spending the night at my friend’s house. I had to get up early to go to work, so I was first up. My friends mother got up next apparently. I was bombarded with texts and such, her mom was angry because she got up and went to the bathroom and just went for it after she sat down. Queue giant liquid waste mess to clean and an angry start to her day.
All these years later, I still think its one of the funniest things I’ve ever been part of in real life.
Slaxis@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
I was gonna say you’d be surprised how many waste particles fly around the room with the seat up - but from the sound of it, even more went everywhere with it down!
MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Cue
ieGod@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I never understood the debate. Ensure it’s how you need to before doing your thing. Applies equally to all individuals for any scenario. Not difficult.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Women say it needs to always already be how they need it before doing their thing. Men are lazy and want to leave it up after peeing.
Me, I put the lid down before flushing because otherwise a minuscule amount of pee would probably splash out of the toilet. Would it be more convenient to leave it up all the time? Sure, but then there’s more cleaning to do and that’s less convenient again.
ieGod@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I reject the lazy argument. It could just as easily be applied in reverse. The person using it should make sure. Simple.
Kaput@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Everybody saying keep the lid down for hygiene reason are missing the most important reason to keep the lid closed. Anything dropped or falling will inexorably end into the toilet if the lid is up.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
exactly. we keep the lid open so the cat can fall in if he decides to be a dipshit
lauha@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Lid should go down unless you want all the poopy microparticles coming from your toilet when flushed.
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Amazing that people think shit aerosolizes when flushed.
AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
A quick internet search shows that having the lid up or down doesn’t matter for bathroom surface contamination
OshagHennessey@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“This debate would be solved if everyone would just agree to one choice.”
Hupf@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
No. The seat up vs down being open for debate at all implies that the lid stays up all the time. That’s crazy, the lid is literally made for covering the toilet.
paultimate14@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I grew up with a dog. The toilet seat was always kept down to keep him away from drinking it, because we had toilet cleaning pucks in the tank that would have potentially poisoned him. Nothing to do with gender at all.
Also the mythbusters episode on toilet water splashing out onto bathroom surfaces scarred me as a child. We have a soft-close lid and I wait a few seconds for it to get to a low angle before I even flush.
ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I’ve always been a lid fully closed person because of animals. The water here is bad enough that the toilet tank needs water treatment pucks, and those chemicals shouldn’t be consumed by pets.
It has been such a fucking struggle with the men who visit or live with me. And it makes absolutely no sense other than just being lazy and inconsiderate.
Whenever I go to someone else’s place, I leave the lid the same way I found it, or if I can’t remember how I found it, fully closed is safest (hardly anyone gets upset by that). That’s the polite thing to do. But that’s apparently just too much for lots of dudes. They come into the home of a woman who lives alone and leave the bathroom the way they want it with zero regard for who actually lives there.
They get one talking to about it, then I start slamming the lid down behind them, very passive aggressively. It doesn’t take them super long to figure it out, but WAY LONGER THAN IT SHOULD! If they can’t figure it out within a couple days/visits, they don’t get to be there anymore. I can’t afford emergency vet appointments for something that shouldn’t even be a problem.
slothrop@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
The lid should be down before you flush.
Would you put your face 8cm above the bowl as you flush? No! Even with the lid down. Any dude who’s ever pissed anywhere barefoot or in shorts knows the splash radius…Atomic@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
It could also be solved by everyone putting the seat and lid up, what’s your point?
TheTurner@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I close it so there is less poop water spraying all over the bathroom.
__Lost__@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
It drives me crazy that I, a man, always shut it, but my wife won’t. Our cat was drinking from it a couple days ago and that still isn’t enough to make her change.
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I literally don’t give a shit about the seat up or down, but close the lid ffs. Stop spray germs all over my toothbrush.
Also, I don’t care what direction the toilet paper goes. I don’t even look at it when I put a new roll in. I’m a free spirit.
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Kongar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Any couple that fights over the toilet seat (or toothpaste or whatever other stupid thing) is doomed - get out now before it gets worse.
My wife of almost 30 years can have whatever she wants and I’m happy to provide it - especially if it’s something as stupid as the toilet seat. I spoil her, she spoils me. We’re happy.
Alvaro@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
It is also the best option as it reduces bacterial spreading whipe flushing.
zephiriz@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
I have convinced a few people in my life to close the lid by telling them. Stand completely naked by an open toilet then flush it and just feel all that water splash for that time. Repeat again with closed lid if need be. Most the water you don’t see but can feel it land on you. Now just think about all the stuff it lands on and you touch in your bathroom like your toothbrush.
The one thing that really bothers me is when I see people walk up to a urinal and flush it and just stand there letting all the stuff get all over themselves from the last guy. Also on the same note people who fake washing their hands then particularly don’t dry them. Like WTF all you are doing is making little pools of bacteria to have a spa day. Then you leave those little pools on every thing you touch. I rather you not fucking wash your hands at all. And yes people notice you acting like a 5 year old who doesn’t want to wash his hands because mommy told him to. Your a 35 year old grown ass man Jerry. Wash your hands for real. WTF.
BTW I’m a guy if you haven’t guessed and I thank you for reading about my thoughts as I fall asleep.
MudMan@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
Why is this a debate? I'm always confused by this one and how everybody assumes it's a huge argument. Why are people annoyed at either? I don't even register what state the toilet seat is at when I arrive. I'll just adjust it based on whatever it is I need. What is the supposed annoyance at lowering (or raising) the seat? Is that not what you do before doing your business regardless? Don't you mostly leave the whole lid down anyway? Why is this such a cliche? I do not get it.
dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Assuming 50% of people in the world have a penis (it’s lower but for the sake of argument we’ll say 50%), more than 50% of bathroom visits require sitting. People with vulvas need to sit, but so does anyone who is pooping, as well as anyone who has one of a number of conditions that makes standing during a bathroom visit untenable. Therefore, the seat should always be put down.
myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I don’t get the leaving the seat up as a male. When I flush I don’t want pee and poop particles sprayed all over the room. That’s why I use a toilet in the first place
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I don’t even piss standing up anymore, but I’m still a firm believer in the concept of “it really isn’t that hard to just look before you sit”.
adarza@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
the correct solution.
Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
True power comes from not using the power.
I can stand and piss… but for many reasons I prefer to sit.
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Tbh, it’s just easier and less messy. I don’t gotta focus on aiming, and I don’t have to worry about getting griped at for forgetting to put the seat down. Standing is really only a better option if you’re in public and in a rush.
horn_e4_beaver@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
I can get piss on the floor when sitting on the toilet too.
aeronmelon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
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melfie@lemy.lol 2 weeks ago
Yeah, for men, standing up is just going to get piss everywhere. Men also need to wipe themselves afterwards, not just shake. Some men consider both of these practices to be overly-feminizing or whatever, but not having piss all over yourself and the bathroom is unequivocally a good thing.
tabris@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I wear shorts for most of the year. Using a urinal while wearing shorts, you realise how much piss splashes everywhere. Really not hygienic.
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Couldn’t agree more
Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Not sitting in your own piss and shit is for women and gay people obviously
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
All you want You can shake and dance But the last two drops Are in your pants
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I started doing this over 30 years ago, when I shared a restroom at work with a few women. I kept doing it.
Where I grew up and live, there are two types of toilets, those designed to be sat upon, and those designed to be stood in front of. Use them as they were designed to be used, and they work better.
I’ve only ever seen photos of squat toilets. I imagine that men stand in front of them and piss all over them?
Triumph@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
It's a lesson you learn once.
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Apparently not, considering the bitchy comments I’ve gotten from women in my life lol.I learned it after the first time, but hey.