I am fucking tired of this shitty behavior.

Submitted ⁨⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨jawa22@lemmy.blahaj.zone⁩ to ⁨rant@lemmy.sdf.org⁩

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/pictrs/image/d1d4b687-98d4-462c-9430-b0ca6ef33f8b.webp

This is just a partial list of this POS’s ban and block evasion tactics. Every two to three days, this asshole forces an instance to federate out, wasting their resources, and doesn’t give a shit who has banned or tried to block them. Then every single post from every one of these account is very heavily upvoted. Oh, that isn’t suspicious at all, especially when over 90% of what this fuckwqd posts is the laziest kind of repost (just blatantly ripped from .ml in a likely automated way similar to the the account creation likely is since they will make accounts on instances less than a day old).

I am fucking tired of this shitty, bad faith action and this is proof that it is high time that an instance needs the ability to straight up perma ban a username from any instance. I am aware that PieFed has this feature and right now it seems like something so incredibly basic. One person has the power to make all of Lemmy effectively useless, and it needs to stop being that way immediately.

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HubertManne@piefed.social ⁨50⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
yeah I have a history with this guy who I thought was a bot but he responded back. apparently he just acts like a bot. Like his purpose in life is to post and he posts with wierd agendas rather than just because he is sharing things he likes. Sometimes people ask how many people you block and I always have to say how many of the blocks are like the same persons alts. as someone said he would just move to cm003 so for now im glad he is staying in a pattern so that I can just block right away.

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Stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
Okay. Looking through the comments, it doesn’t appear that you actually have anything here other than it pisses you off. But is it a problem? You’re phrasing this like cm0002 is evading bans and he isn’t. If he’s making new accounts and that annoys you then that sucks but… why do the admins need to get involved with this? You said you want to have him permabanned from an instance? Why?

You can check who voted for a post by the way. Cm0002 doesn’t vote for himself. I have checked in the past when I first started noticing his username a lot myself. Hell, I thought he was irritating as hell for a while myself too. I guess I’m biased in the sense that I know the dude and would call him a friend but even then, I’m not seeing anything demonstrating that action needs to actually be taken by anyone.

I get being annoyed with people. But saying that this is bad faith and worthy of having the entire username banned from the entire fucking instance seems like a massive overreach. One so far that I would just outright avoid ever posting to that instance ever again because that admin would be tripping balls and power.

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- jawa22@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨59⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
  I really can’t think of a good reason to have this many active and posting accounts other than trying to get around something. I was extremely annoyed when I wrote this post, and honestly still am, hence why I posted this here. A filter per end user would be a better solution, like what PieFed has.
  
  I could have worded everything better. This should be a highlight of what could be done by one user.
  
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Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
As far as I can tell, they are providing a valuable, wanted, service. It’s unfortunate.that it is impacting you negatively somehow, but I think people would prefer that they keep it up.

Is what they are doing bothering you, or did you just misunderstand the point of their behaviour, and assumed something malicious was going on?

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- jawa22@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
  The “service” has negative value. All it accomplishes is spam, doubling or quadrupling posts, and making every single user of a large instance out to be a tankie. There is also no shot it isn’t just a script or bot being run unless they themselves spend an insane amount of time on ml making the while “boycott” thing horseshit to begin with.
  
  And at this point, random instances are being starved of resources by the account spam (the federation takes disk space and bandwidth).
  
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  - cm0002@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
    
    making every single user of a large instance out to be a tankie.
    
    I have not done this once, please provide receipts on this. I have very specifically been against the admins of .ml and select provable Tankie users of .ml
    
    There is also no shot it isn’t just a script or bot being run unless they themselves spend an insane amount of time on ml
    
    Well it isn’t, for one, the activity levels on .ml just isn’t that busy. For 2, I don’t personally watch .ml, I just have a hook into the RSS feed and just get a notification on my phone. Takes me <15 seconds to crosspost a post
    
    making the while “boycott” thing horseshit to begin with.
    
    It’s very well documented and evidenced why
    
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cm0002@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
For other people blocking me, I don’t really care if they do or don’t, it’s just unfortunate unintended side effects for the actual reasons:

Shopping for a new home instance

Exploring the Threadiverse from different perspectives (the “hot” feed you see can vary quite a bit depending on the instance you’re on lol)

Learning that the bot intended to better interconnect instance comms may not be doing as good of a job

Interconnecting wayward or much smaller instances, a couple of them are missing even the big comms, one I was on the other day I needed to manual have it federate with every comm I posted to

For the creation of comms on fitting instances or just among a regular rotation of general instances so I’m not making a whole bunch on any one instance

Prevention of a reoccurrence of my imposter problem

::: spoiler Trolling .ml (or Why am I cross-posting .ml content?

I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don’t want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some niche comms.

Megathread on the issue

Some highlights from the link:

"Don’t worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev lemmy.world/post/30580167

“See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn’t count!!” ~ Davel, .ml admin lemmy.world/post/30673342

.ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia lemmy.world/post/29222558 The original transphobic Comment from Nutomic: lemmy.world/post/18236068

“NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev lemmy.world/post/31595035

General negative sentiment to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet ~davel, .ml admin lemmy.world/post/27426510

“If you don’t support Russia then you just don’t understand geopolitics” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev lemmy.world/post/27352415

And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can’t even put them all here because this comment would be really long.

I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda

On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like “Lemmy? Isn’t that the place with a bunch of tankies?” Or “Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left”. The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team. :::)

If I was really ban/block evading I’d just make up an entirely new user name each time, it would be FAR more effective and longer lasting

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- PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I do feel like there’s a legitimate complaint to be had that since you’re doing heavy / automated posting, it would be good to pick one and only one instance/user to do it from just to be polite to people who don’t want that, and have it blocked.
  
  I feel like all the weeping and gnashing of teeth that OP is doing isn’t necessary, since you’re obviously not intending it badly, but I do feel like there’s a grain of legitimacy somewhere in there.
  
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  - cm0002@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Fair, though it’s definitely not automated. Heavy posting yes, automated no.
    
    The absolute irony here is that I actually considered this perspective weeks ago, but I figured since you can block a user in 3 clicks or less straight from the encountered post the burden of anyone out there blocking me would be low and nbd. Ig not lmao
    
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sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I have a similar setup here. Isn’t ban evasion more effective when you don’t reuse a username? Also I see this person’s posts on the top most days, what exactly are they getting banned for?

I’m using multiple instance handles like they’re subreddit clusters, which is why I didn’t bother changing my name. Seems like something that people who check a lot of different comms of different sizes do

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BroBot9000@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Yeah they are also an Ai simp and just constantly stealing other people’s content.

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- calliope@retrolemmy.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  just constantly stealing other people’s content
  
  That’s what bothers me.
  
  The constant reposts have made it more difficult to find the original content. At the very least put where it’s from in the body or something so I can look there
  
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  - cm0002@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    All of my crossposts should show in the cross post menu, OC is additionally tagged with the username
    
    Like this:
    
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- cm0002@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Why am I cross-posting .ml content?
  > >I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don’t want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some niche comms. > >Megathread on the issue > >Some highlights from the link: > >>"Don’t worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev lemmy.world/post/30580167 >> >>“See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn’t count!!” ~ Davel, .ml admin lemmy.world/post/30673342 >> >>.ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia lemmy.world/post/29222558 >> The original transphobic Comment from Nutomic: lemmy.world/post/18236068 >> >>“NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev lemmy.world/post/31595035 >> >>General negative sentiment to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet ~davel, .ml admin lemmy.world/post/27426510 >> >>“If you don’t support Russia then you just don’t understand geopolitics” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev lemmy.world/post/27352415 > >And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can’t even put them all here because this comment would be really long. > >I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda > >On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like “Lemmy? Isn’t that the place with a bunch of tankies?” Or “Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left”. The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.
  
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UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

proof that it is high time that an instance needs the ability to straight up perma ban a username

This wouldn’t solve the problem. They’d just roll in with cm0003. You need an IP ban or some similar source specific censorship. Even then, it’s a moving target when the end user is determined enough.

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- green_copper@kbin.earth ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  You need an IP ban or some similar source specific censorship
  
  CG NAT and VPNs want to have a word with you.
  
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  - CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    OP did say:
    
    Even then, it’s a moving target when the end user is determined enough.
    
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PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
?

Definitely not every post of theirs is upvoted (see links below). Do you have one that you feel like the voting for was probably fraudulent or something?

He is vocally against lemmy.ml and reposts their content sometimes to encourage people to move off that server. What’s your take on that? Does he repost anything outside of that one example that you know of?

Do people ban this person? Literally all he does is post, as far as I can tell… like I looked over the user pages 1 2 3 4 5 and it’s just kind of normal stuff to me.

It’s a little weird that he has so many accounts. @cm0002@lemmy.zip why do you have so many accounts? It is a little weird and makes it more difficult for people who want to block you, I get that part of what OP is saying, just all the rest of it like you’re doing some kind of wild out-of-pocket thing by posting the stuff you post seems all the way out of left field to me.
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- Snowpix@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I did notice the sudden influx of new accounts under the cm0002 name, I wasn’t entirely sure it’s actually the same guy or somebody impersonating him. I don’t see why he’d need that many, and most of the accounts are very new despite him having been around for a long time.
  
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  - PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Oh, that’s a good point. @OP that is one reason for making it not work the way you describe, it makes it super-easy to destroy any user just by making new alts with their same name and then having them be obnoxious. IDK what the fix is really, it is a real problem that people can make alts to do ban evasion.
    
    @cm0002@lemmy.world I should ask also, are all the described alts actually you?
    
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- Serinus@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  It’s an old tactic to reserve your name on every server.
  
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  - lurch@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    that sounds exhausting
    
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- cm0002@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I have reasons, I’ll just copy paste a previous response:
  
  For other people blocking me, I don’t really care if they do or don’t, it’s just unfortunate unintended side effects for the actual reasons:
  
  Shopping for a new home instance
  
  Exploring the Threadiverse from different perspectives (the “hot” feed you see can vary quite a bit depending on the instance you’re on lol)
  
  ::: spoiler Trolling .ml (or Why am I cross-posting .ml content?
  
  I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don’t want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some niche comms.
  
  Megathread on the issue
  
  Some highlights from the link:
  
  "Don’t worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev lemmy.world/post/30580167
  
  “See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn’t count!!” ~ Davel, .ml admin lemmy.world/post/30673342
  
  .ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia lemmy.world/post/29222558 The original transphobic Comment from Nutomic: lemmy.world/post/18236068
  
  “NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev lemmy.world/post/31595035
  
  General negative sentiment to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet ~davel, .ml admin lemmy.world/post/27426510
  
  “If you don’t support Russia then you just don’t understand geopolitics” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev lemmy.world/post/27352415
  
  And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can’t even put them all here because this comment would be really long.
  
  I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda
  
  On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like “Lemmy? Isn’t that the place with a bunch of tankies?” Or “Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left”. The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team. :::)
  
  Learning that the bot intended to better interconnect instance comms may not be doing as good of a job
  
  Interconnecting wayward or much smaller instances, a couple of them are missing even the big comms, one I was on the other day I needed to manual have it federate with every comm I posted to
  
  For the creation of comms on fitting instances or just among a regular rotation of general instances so I’m not making a whole bunch on any one instance -
  
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- jawa22@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Saying every post was admittedly hyperbolic. Saying “many” would have been more appropriate I agree. I am well aware of the vendetta against ml. The point here is that even if someone attempts to ban or block them, the effort is immediately bypassed.
  
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  - cm0002@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    None of my accounts have been banned from any instance or comm to the best of my knowledge, with the exception of .ml which they do because they don’t like me calling them put
    
    Evading other users blocking me is not my intention and is just an unfortunate side effect. On the flip side, its not like it take any effort for one to block a user
    
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  - PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    You literally wrote “every single post” in bold face lol
    
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Alexstarfire@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
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lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Don’t know what you’re talking about, it’s poorly argued, and looks like frivolous rage, so
YOU MAD

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Kyrgizion@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
How would permablocking a certain username help? He’ll just change it. Not sure if IP bans are on the table, but those can be circumvented fairly trivially as well.

I can see how shadowbanning would help in such a case, but I’d rather not see such things on the platform at all if possible.

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Sludge@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
It’s the same thing with sunshine, pugjesus, and dude. I can’t fucking stand it. I don’t want to see the same 4 people posting because they’re on a manic upswing/addicted to the platform. I try to block their accounts but it seems like they have already spun up 4 more to submit from a different spot. It’s awful and devalues lemmy (for me). I would be better off never seeing their posts again.

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- Cybersec@piefed.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I think people like PugJesus are great because they bring here the content we need?
  
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  - PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Yes, but in addition to the history memes and other good and unique content, PugJesus also isn’t a tankie, and sometimes even argues vocally with tankies. cm0002 is the same.
    
    I suspect that’s what’s actually behind this: Some kind “Mean Girls” effort to damage someone’s reputation because they are giving wrongthink to the community. Maybe I’m paranoid. At face value, though, the whole thing of “HOW DARE YOU PUT MEMES IN MY MEME COMMUNITY EVERY DAY ARGBLGRBGLRBG I’M SO ANGRY NOW” makes so little sense that I think it’s safe to assume that something else is the reason.
    
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  - Zorque@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
    So flooding communities with low effort reposted content is what we need?
    
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- cloudless@piefed.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I like that they’re putting more stuff out on the fediverse and pulling some focus away from .ml.
  
  I just wish I had the time to do the same. We really need more people adding a wider mix of content.
  
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  - Maeve@kbin.earth ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    It's a script/bot, that's how they have time.
    
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- jawa22@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I don’t have a problem with people posting a lot, but people making over a dozen accounts as frequently as every 2 days pisses me off.
  
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- PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Yeah, me too, I hate when people post things lol
  
  Like every time I see a history picture in the feed I’m like ARGHH FUCK THIS GAH GLU BO and I start chewing the furniture
  
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  - calliope@retrolemmy.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Are you being obtuse on purpose? You can’t see how creating additional accounts could be annoying?
    
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- RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  How do you feel about that Sludge fella, though?
  
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  - Sludge@sh.itjust.works ⁨13⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
    overrated
    
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Maeve@kbin.earth ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
It feels like mods/admins need to sort this or are actively complicit.

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dsilverz@calckey.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
@jawa22@lemmy.blahaj.zone @rant@lemmy.sdf.org

While I do remember seeing that user handle several times across the "New Comments" feed, I went through all my previous notifications and I couldn't find any interaction from/to they. So, I particularly had no problems with this person, just like I also never had problems with Hexbear users, despite seeing a whole Lemmy complaining about them.
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kip@piefed.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
it reflects extremely poorly on lemmy/threadiverse in general that this type of behaviour is tolerated at all let alone encouraged

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- lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
  I like it. Seeing people rage over it when they could practice some self-control & just ignore like humanity has done for millennia is comical.
  
  I’d much rather have this free-for-all than toxic reddit moderation.
  
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- UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  The community isn’t configured to screen it out, pretty much by design.
  
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  - kip@piefed.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    by design
    
    fair point but it’s not mainly a software problem. there’s no reason that e.g. an article on vpn use in response to the UK online safety act shouldn’t be posted/reposted to technology@instance.uk, privacy@instance.ml, worldnews@instance.elsewhere etc
    
    what is disappointing about this cm0002 stuff is what i’ve seen of the general community response to the high effort attempt to flood the timeline with low effort posts. the supportive comments and upvotes suggest that people like it, and that is baffling to me
    
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higgsboson@piefed.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Ive blocked them a ton of times myself. Summit (android client) lets me filter for username string.

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UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Banning a username doesn’t solve the problem tho - you can create new accounts anyway. And banning accounts with similar names as well creates all kinds of problems.

Maybe some kind of probation could help? For example, a user could be invisible for everyone but their home instance for some time. If they are then reported and banned, they never appear on another instance to begin with. Could do this for both comments and content.

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- dil@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Lmao that would make even less ppl join this site and make it even less useful, if you think lemmy will ever be as useful as reddit, it cant have ppl on instances post invisible to other instances when they join that will just make them head to the larger instances or be even more confused on where to sign up
  
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- green_copper@kbin.earth ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Probation period doesn't sound like a bad idea. But in the end it will just force them to make their bots lay low for the time and then start their main program.
  
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0ndead@infosec.pub ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Yup, also have 30 blocks for this username

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13igTyme@piefed.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I wasn’t aware Piefed had this feature. Good to know.

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halfapage@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
gotta strike that reddit gold somehow updoots to the left

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- calliope@retrolemmy.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Another valuable contribution
  
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Maeve@kbin.earth ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
It's fed behavior, and not federated.

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