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Yeah, it doesn’t actually matter. It kind of fills the same roll as a weird look or awkward silence would in real life.

Which is good, on the old forums you’d see someone post something insane (like actually trolling or insane, not just unpopular or against the jerk like this one), and since there was no cue it hadn’t been taken seriously, the whole thread would derail into arguments about it.

You knew people would downvote this to hell, right?

I mean, Lemmy is definitely both far left and anti-LLM on average, so that’s one sample point.

IRL few people hate LLMs that much, and mean around the political centre by definition, so that’s the other one.

Hmm, I wonder if there’s an actual poll?

So then, logically, if there’s a plant and a dog strapped to two train tracks, and you have to pull a switch…

No, no it’s not.

Yes, or so I’ve read. A quick search turns up the mentions, but no primary sources.

Bugs are a weird edge case for consciousness. They can learn and remember, and some like bees can do it a lot, but there’s also cases of really automatic, mindless-looking behaviors they’ll engage in. This old blog posts goes into how fruit flies respond to all noxious stimuli with a specific anti-parasitoid maneuver.

If this was real life, I’d suggest a trip to a pet store so you can prove it. Either you’re a psychopath, or this is bullshit, and in your everyday interactions you make an obvious guess about who feels what.

Edit: also, how much of your body controls your brain? Like, have you ever considered bending your elbow in the wrong direction? No? Why not? Why is it the wrong direction? It just is, right? That’s how the body works?

Yes, I actually have tried bending/pushing my elbows back as far as I can make them go. That’s got to be a pretty normal kid thing to do. Not sure what medical textbook you’ve been reading out of, but it is a pretty one way street. Like, there’s medical mysteries that suggest some exceptions, but they are few.

Even the researchers sound like they prefer the “play” explanation, though.

This is pretty much red rover underwater.

Pain has an emotional component though. Without a devoted nervous system, any kind of subjective experience a plant has would be on a very long timescale, (And you’d have the weird situation where it’s mind “grows” as it’s thinking)

For sure, people treat a dog as if it has pain, and lettuce as if it doesn’t.

We might get there, but yes, just not thinking about it is a powerful response.

Interesting.

That’s also the one critter that I’ve seen evidence for not feeling pain. If they’re eating something, and another bug starts to eat them from behind, they don’t seem to notice and continue what they’re doing.

It should be the default assumption for anything mobile with senses.

Yes, me too! Does anyone know if there is some way to donate other than PayPal?

And FWIW futurology.today has 0 blocked/blocked by last I checked, so that’s what I’ve been using.

Love you too.

One quote vs. a bunch of hard statistics, sources available on request.

It’s not even a quote that contradicts what I said, when put in context, where it was about tax policy. Warren buffet is well aware of the gradualness of the wealth gap, and that there’s no free lunch for corporations. His whole investment philosophy is built on the latter fact.

Well, since you’re not OP.

Most stuff in the West, including businesses, is owned by kinda rich but mostly ordinary people - the 9% after the 1%. Furthermore, people have always tried to make money, and while big businesses are a lot more efficient at it today margins are much lower to compensate. There’s no self-contained club getting a free lunch here at the public’s expense, which is what OP was implying.

A few things have gotten more expensive relative to wages. Some things are actually less expensive (clothes are a minor expense post-globalisation, a basic TV costs less than a really nice meal), other things are kinda the same. The real trend has been the split between well paying jobs (like most of Lemmy has) and poorly paying jobs widening; the rest is “everything used to be better”, which people are recorded saying all the way back through Socratese.

I want to argue with this, but it wouldn’t be much of a rant community if it talked back.