I think it's the fungi manipulating all of us.
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frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 2 months ago
peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 2 months ago
Look man. Mycelium. It’s all connected don’t you see? I don’t mean clones. They’re not clones. Its something else. It’s one BIG connection. It’s one BIG organism.
And it’s MASSIVE. You think it’s just a little mushroom on the forest floor. But under that mushroom is a string. A string that connects to another string that may be connects to a root or another mushroom. Then strings with no mushrooms between the trees. And the strings outpace the trees.
So the direction the trees grow in? Isn’t decided by the trees, or the larger environment around it at all. It’s decided by the mycelium. The war between fungi and bacteria is an ancient and bloody one.
I don’t fear the bacteria. No. They can colonize and grow resistance to antibacterials produced by the fungi and chemists. But fungi? Fungi can communicate. Fungi can parasitize. Fungi can grow in radiation contaminated environments.
They are the dominant lifeform on this planet.
And if you still don’t believe me, wait until you inexplicably have a yeast infection despite practicing hygiene taught at a super young age. That itch. That pain. It’s a higher evolved organism consuming everything.
grue@lemmy.world 2 months ago
First we had !NotKenM, now we need !NotStamets.
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 2 months ago
If all the yeast in our bodies’ microbiomes could coordinate together to take us over, we’d be so screwed.
LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 months ago
That top sentence has a bunch of flavor text. Livestock implies they’re intentionally being kept as livestock. Plants aren’t sentient. That’s like saying evolution is intentional.
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Keep in mind that “Welcome to Nightvale” is a Lovecraftian comedy podcast set in the fictional town of Nightvale
TheFogan@programming.dev 2 months ago
I mean it’s true… but there’s a pretty reasonable case that humans aren’t sentient. We think we’re doing shit for a good reason but at the end of the day on a large scale we’re just going through the motions of what our environment leads us to do.
stray@pawb.social 2 months ago
This is why I don’t like determining an organism’s value based on how “sentient” it is. I prefer to admit that I treat dogs and pigs better than carrots and fish because I empathize with them more, entirely of my own bias. I don’t think I have any more or less value than a blade of grass; we’re both products of happenstance just running our programming, and we won’t be around long.
urandom@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Plants aren’t sentient.
That’s what Big Vegan wants you to think!
Nikls94@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Plants aren’t sentient by our understanding of sentience there’s evidence that they communicate via the mycelium network and give their own offspring more nutrients than others. That‘s the two I can think of without googling
FishFace@piefed.social 2 months ago
What other understanding of sentience would we fucking use?!
The mycelium network thing is way overblown - it allows some crude, undetected signals to pass.spankinspinach@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
They also nurse their sick and keep stumps from dying - from The Secret Life of Trees, which also supports your comments
robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 2 months ago
some plants respond to stimuli, they aren’t sapient. cuss out your local science fiction editor.
LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 months ago
Literally all life responds to stimuli
mathemachristian@hexbear.net 2 months ago
Plants arent sentient. water reacts to “stimuli”, reacting to your surroundings does not imply sentience 🤦
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
I thought it was fungi, as they are the ones breaking both plants and us down, are the oldest of all of us, both feed plants and us, etc.
MyNameIsIgglePiggle@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
I thought fungi was relatively new - which is why we have coal?
I am very happy to be corrected
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Fungi are older than literal roots. The first land plants relied on them for nutrient exchange before evolving a radical system. My mind was blown away during a presentation by Dr. Toby Kiers about the latest research on mycorrhizal networks. They directly imaged nutrients moving both ways through those narrow filaments, through unknown mechanisms. www.spun.earth/networks/mycorrhizal-fungi
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
LadyCajAsca@hexbear.net 2 months ago
Until we have evidence for a higher sentience from plants this is just how living organisms develop and evolve alongside other organisms who they have a symbiotic with.
Trollivier@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
I prefer to serve trees and plants than CEOs
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 months ago
no one tell trollivier about the Central Executive Organism, that giant tree that is like a million trees and fungus
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Pando? But that’s only in the ten-thousands.
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 2 months ago
They (the predecessors of cyanobacteria) started with a clean slate/with an oopsy of oxygen overproduction that wiped the board.
minkymunkey_7_7@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The first recorded genocide.
ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Closer to omnicide, like, basically everything died.
saimen@feddit.org 2 months ago
They most successful organism on earth is wheat
yakko@feddit.uk 2 months ago
You might say they’re… Bread for success
woodenghost@hexbear.net 2 months ago
What are signs of ‘species domestication’?
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
If we are being ruled by our crops it would have to be corn and not trees, unfortunately. Trees would be much better overlords I think.
Eq0@literature.cafe 2 months ago
For anyone interested: Welcome to Night Bale is a great horror/surrealist podcast. Definitely recommend
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Animals are something invented by plants to move seeds around
An extremely yang solution to a peculiar problem which they faced
Now I must take their medicinespoiler
the medicine is drugs.
TipsyMcGee@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Confirmed: Fossil Fuel Capitalism is a righteous slave revolt
merc@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
You mean the thing where we put tons of greenhouse gases in the air which warms the planet and makes it even better for photosynthesizing life, but even worse for mammals?
ashenone@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Go see the redwoods and you’ll know for sure this planet belongs to the trees
qarbone@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Then they redwoods should be sending aid to the Amazons, because they are losing hold.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 2 months ago
To say nothing of their cowardly inaction on Ukraine and Palestine.
spankinspinach@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
I can’t remember where, but I read recently that the pace of Amazon destruction was noted to be slowing recently. Maybe cbc.ca. It stuck with me cuz I literally thought “oh finally a nice piece of news in this desperate wasteland”. Granted, things aren’t looking great, but dare we hope
princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Just posting Human Domestication Guide on main smh
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Explains why we can’t stop emitting carbon dioxide.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 months ago
yeah but i eat trees, so that puts me on top of the food chain
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
The “species domestication” bit is just the social part of evolution (less agressive, more cooperarive) mistaken as self-domestication.
BilSabab@lemmy.world 2 months ago
All hail our the overlords!
mushroommunk@lemmy.today 2 months ago
Sadly I’ve still never seen any real papers on this being an actual theory.
I’m still want to believe I’m Ent livestock though.
deranger@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
It’s because it doesn’t really make sense, plants came before animals. Plants do not need us to survive, but we need plants to survive.
Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Plants came before moths, but there are some desert plants whose life cycle is dependent on a species of moth pollinating them. How things were in the past influences but isn’t the sole arbiter of how things are in the present or future.
jrs100000@lemmy.world 2 months ago
We don’t need chickens to survive either. It doesn’t mean we didn’t domesticate them.
Manjushri@piefed.social 2 months ago
Plants need us animals to turn that oxygen they produce back into carbon dioxide for them.
codemankey@programming.dev 2 months ago
Things change tho, they can “evolve” so to say.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 months ago
plants came from red algae i believe, that was able to survive on land as primitive bryphytes, or thier ancestors. carbiniferous period is when they really took off. Plants encorporated both chloroplast and mitochondria endosymbionts in thier evolution.
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Consider the Navel Orange. Completely unable to reproduce on its own, yet it has millions of progeny because of people like you!
TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub 2 months ago
Every seedless fruit is a testament of how humanity has deviated from its original, seed nurturing purpose.
Bring_Back_Buggy_Whips@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Navel gazers?
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 months ago
its a clone of a clone, much like the cavendish bannana, and cultivars of watermelons. and apples too.
fun fact, there is actually a cold tolerant wild orange that grows in the wild, the trifoliate orange, but its not edible, and it has thorns, and its more resistant to disease than domesticated oranges.
mushroommunk@lemmy.today 2 months ago
That reminds me. Need to go clone some grape cultivars and do some more guerilla gardening at my buddy’s house
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
Bacteria grow us for their homes
baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
Brb, gotta go buy some cat food.
I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The botany of desire is a fun book written on the subject. Michael Pollan is not a scientist though, he’s a science and environmental journalist and Harvard professor.
FundMECFS@anarchist.nexus 2 months ago
Against The Grain by James C Scott touches on the “who actually domesticated who” question.