I would be fine with an 8k TV if there was 8k content and they were affordable. I haven’t purchased a TV in over a decade however and my TVs all work fine so I’m not even in the market
Big Surprise—Nobody Wants 8K TVs
Submitted 8 months ago by TheImpressiveX@lemmy.today to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.howtogeek.com/big-surprisenobody-wants-8k-tvs/
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TORFdot0@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I still sometimes have hiccups with streaming 4k content. I’d rather save bandwidth than stream 8k.
Until the pipelines are bigger or compression algorithms improve, I’d rather pause at 4k.
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One thing, my current 4k TV/monitor does a pretty nice job upscaling 1080p. It, of course, doesn’t look as good as native 4k, but it looks considerably better than 1080p not upscaled. So even without native 8k content, there is some value in being able to upscale 4k content to 8k.
ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
lol but you can have FHD the same size as that tv lmao
ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Also have you seen 720HD with 10 bit color? Looks better than 1080p when it was released. Seen 1080p 14 bit color? Looks better than 4k when it came out.
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
My viewing position is about 330cm/11ft from the wall where my tv is mounted. That works out to roughly 80” television for 4K viewing pleasure. www.rtings.com/…/size-to-distance-relationship
8k would be ridiculous.
the_q@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
And yet people want 4k screens on phones and 13in tablets…
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 8 months ago
I think most phone nerds understand that 4K on a phone is not necessary.
the_q@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Yeah we know, but the other 98% of phone buyers only know “number go up better”.
Gerudo@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
How about uncompressed 4k before going to even more compression 8k. I have seen uncompressed 8k content on an 8k TV. I couldn’t tell the difference between it and a good quality 4k picture, and I’m admittedly a quality snob. I can tell the difference in 1080 vs 4k pretty easily even on cheap tvs, it’s just virtually non existent at 8k vs 4k in tv sizes up to 80 inch beyond viewing inches away from the screen.
Hexagon@feddit.it 8 months ago
That would be… (checks math)… about 5.972 Gbps of bandwidth, assuming just non-HDR content and 30 fps. Probably impossible for most people.
Less compression could make sense, but literally no compression would be a colossal waste of bandwidth and storage.
Gerudo@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Maybe that’s the point I meant to make clearer. 8k, even compressed would take more bandwidth, or it’s going to be compressed so much that it totally defeats the purpose of 8k content.
harcesz@szmer.info 8 months ago
Yeah, and 640kb RAM Ought to be Enough for Anyone.
SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 8 months ago
Except we're in the equivalent of the '70s/Z80 era, there's little to no need or content for 8K.
harcesz@szmer.info 8 months ago
Yet. The capitalist factories have to spin, they will find a reason/way to “encourage” another standard change, only it might take a few years. Lucas will re-release the original trilogy in a new cut he always envisioned, you’ll be able to observe blackheads on your fav politicians nose, but it will happen, as it always did in the media buisnesses. Maybe it won’t be screens, but laser projectors (id rather expect that), but 8k and then whatever-faptylion-k will come in into standard eventually because capitalism demands constant expansion.
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
8K content is too storage hungry. My pirate ship is already bursting at the seams with some 4K but mostly 1080. I have 130TB of media, if it was in 8K I would need a water cooled server farm.
That’s the REAL reason for lack of 8K interest, the pirates are not demanding it. Not until 100TB drives are available for a reasonable price.
borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Wait what? Are you implying that if there was demand for 8k content, then pirates would make it available? The content has to exist in order for pirates to release it.
I can download a remux of the 4K Lawrence of Arabia transfer because it was filmed in 70mm and the studio transferred it at 4K. It’s 70mm film, so it’s ~8-12K equivalent, but to actually get that resolution they would have to scan that film at that resolution, then go through the whole video workflow, color correction, whatever tf idk I’m not a video engineer, at that resolution, and render out the final version at that resolution.
Pirates aren’t doing that, they’re ripping physical or digital releases. And there’s no point in downloading an 8K upscale of a 4K release, just let your TV or your Shield or Infuse handle the upscaling.
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I am saying that the ability to store the content is needed before people will be able to make the demand for it. So take streaming platforms for instance. They won’t want to build more server farms and instead just upgrade what they have. So once 100TB drives are readily available they will start upgrading and then influence the media companies to start scanning at 8k. The people scanning the damn movies will need to store it too. You know whoever is the first to start offering the content be it Netflix or Disney will start a chain reaction and then 8k will take off but I’m sure it will be a slower build up compared to 4k.
WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The real reason for lack of interest is streaming quality of 4k has been getting worse for years, and is still like 1/10th the quality of 4k BluRay, with enormous levels of compression and artifacts.
8k requires 4x the data. We all know that means every subscription would charge at least 2x more to maintain profit margins of unlimited growth for vulture capitalism, and they’d skimp on the extra data too; leaving users with nothing better than the current 4k.
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
That’s true, and to add to that, most mobile phone and many land Internet based connections are not unlimited and have caps. Nobody wants to stream a few 8k movies and use up their entire monthly cap in one shot.
-speaking as a US user, many countries offer unlimited as standard but not the evil empire.
RustyShackleford@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
I like how the article immediately tries placing the blame on the consumer. When in reality it’s the companies putting the cart before the horse and then being shocked when it doesn’t work out.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Hopefully, just all 4K panels get replaced with 8K panels and it doesn’t cost anything extra and in like 5 years when the rest of the technology catches up and especially video bitrates are increased then the transition can happen seamlessly but we’re not going to pay for it’s, it’s just going to have to be a free upgrade. This is really the last doubling we need for the human vision system and it is already pretty far into the diminishing returns aspects. Since we are going to need 8K for VR that doesn’t suck, might as well make that the standard for the next century and we won’t ever have to bother with 16K panels
SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 8 months ago
"How come they don't fall for 'bigger number better' anymore?"
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’ll take an 8k computer monitor though. In fact, send two. Kthnx.
Mwa@thelemmy.club 8 months ago
Makes sense:
No Media support.
And also on Monitors and Tvs i don’t care if it’s a. 1080p or 1440p of 4k give me 1080pJunkers_Klunker@feddit.dk 8 months ago
I still use a ten year old 1080p Sony TV, and I’ve yet to see a new <$1k TV with a nicer picture than what I have. Granted I don’t really consume any higher resolution content anyway 🤷♂️
MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I don’t want 8K. I want my current 4K streaming to have less pixilation. I want my sound to be less compressed. Make them closer to Ultra BluRay disc quality before forcing 8K down our throats… unless doing that gives us better 4K overall.
TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Bingo, if I were still collecting DVDs/HD DVDs like I was in the 90’s, it might be an issue. Streaming services and other online media routed through the TV can hardly buffer to keep up with play speed at 720, so what the fuck would I want with a TV that can show a higher quality of picture which it can also not display without stutter-buffering the whole of a 1:30:00 movie?
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 8 months ago
Streaming services and other online media routed through the TV can hardly buffer to keep up with play speed at 720
This is a problem with your internet/network, not the TV.
ramble81@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Yeah 4K means jack if it’s compressed to hell, if you end up with pixels being repeated 4x to save on storage and bandwidth, you’ve effectively just recreated 1080p without upscaling.
Just like internet. I’d rather have guaranteed latency than 5Gbps.
Geometrinen_Gepardi@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
Yep, just imagine how bad the compression artefacts will be if they double the resolution but keep storage/network costs the same.
Anivia@feddit.org 8 months ago
Increasing resolution but keeping the same bitrate still improves the image quality, unless the bitrate was extremely low in the first place. Especially with modern codecs
Typhoon@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Doubling the dimensions make it 4x the data.
Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I want one but my GPU can’t drive games at 8k and 100+ FPS. Also there’s no media for it.
addie@feddit.uk 8 months ago
Speaking as a developer; I’ve a 4K screen which is amazing for having loads of source files open at the same time, and also works for old or undemanding games. Glorious Eggroll’s version of Proton has all the FSR patches in it, so you can ‘upscale anything’. Almost any modern game, I’m going to be running at lower resolution, usually either 1440p or the slightly odd 2954 x 1662. Generally, highest-quality graphics and upscaling looks better than medium-quality native to me, for games where I have to compromise.
I would be interested in an 8K display for coding, as long as the price is reasonable. I’m not spending five grand, that would be crazy. But I’d still be upscaling for playing games, as basically no GPU could drive that many pixels.
TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 8 months ago
games at 8k and 100+ FPS
You will never be able to game at 8k. Modern games run with 720p and 60 fps on the best GPUs, then “AI enhanced” to a vaseline coated 4k
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 8 months ago
Modern games run with 720p and 60 fps on the best GPUs
No they don’t. On PC you can run games at native resolution with zero “AI enhanced” stuff.
Gerudo@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
I have a 3080 and have all frame gen tech turned off, and still, almost every game I play can hit 60+ fps and 2k resolution, a lot can do 144. I get your point, but it’s greatly exaggerated.
Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I run DOOM eternal at 4k with a stable 120 fps (not the AI enhanced interpolation garbage) with a 3080…
I couldn’t imagine going back to gaming at 60fps and is a big reason I hate console ports.
ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’d buy one if it came with every David Attenborough (or similar) nature documentary included. I don’t need 8k for games or movies or anything else but I’ll watch the shit out of whatever high budget nature documentaries are produced and put my nose against the screen to see the critter details.
Resplendent606@piefed.social 8 months ago
I'm happy with 1080p content. I have a 4k TV and from the couch I can't see a difference. I would be perfectly happy with a bargain 4k TV, bigger the better.
IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
My TV is also 4K but my amplifier which eats all the inputs can only do 1080p. 4k quality on that 65" is better, but not by that much that I’d throw 500+€ for a new amp since the current one works just fine and it fulfils all my needs on a TV/media set.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 8 months ago
it depends on how big your tv is in your field of view, so a function of size and distance. and obviously how good your vision is.
etchinghillside@reddthat.com 8 months ago
I work off metered data. I’m happy with 360p.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 8 months ago
There was a while that I exclusively used apps where I could lower the bitrate of music I listened to. Because I’m not rocking crazy good headsets and such for when I needed it, and I really saw to reason to use up larger amounts of data when I was listening to music over the sound of a lawnmower walking around the yard for an hour. If I was going to leave music on and not have wifi, it just didn’t seem worth it.
etchinghillside@reddthat.com 8 months ago
Yup - not a solution for everyone but there are typically Quality Of Service (QOS) services on routers that will do something similar - where it will target a certain threshold.
ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 8 months ago
It’s been observed that the porn industry is often one of the first adapters of new media tech before they become commonplace, but I’m not sure some things need to be shown in that high a resolution.
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
It’s not even really true; it’s a salacious fact that was passed around and everyone agreed. For example, there’s no real evidence that VHS won over Betamax because of porn. Everyone accepted that fact uncritically.
TheBat@lemmy.world 8 months ago
If porn industry had used Betamax, it would’ve been renamed to Chadmax. Except for cuck porn. 📠
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 8 months ago
i heard the same comment about 1080p and 4k porn but here we are.
ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 8 months ago
Maybe people will be satisfied when they can put their TV under a microscope to determine the actor’s sperm count…
Peffse@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I don’t know if it changed, but when I started looking around to replace my set about 2 years ago, it was a nightmare of marketing "gotcha"s.
Some TVs were advertising 240fps, but only had 60fps panels with special tricks to double framerate twice or something silly. Other TVs offered 120fps, but only on one HDMI port. More TVs wouldn’t work without internet. Even more had shoddy UIs that were confusing to navigate and did stuff like default to their own proprietary software showing Fox News on every boot (Samsung). I gave up when I found out that most of them had abysmal latency since they all had crappy software running that messed with color values for no reason. So I just went and bought the cheapest TV at a bargain overstock store. Days of shopping time wasted, and a customer lost.
If I were shown something that advertised with 8K at that point, I’d have laughed and said it was obviously a marketing lie like everything else I encountered.
Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Asus makes their version of a 4k OLED LG panel with no shitty ‘smart’ software.
vikingtons@lemmy.world 8 months ago
in that situation, Asus are the shitty part.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world 8 months ago
article took forever to get to the bottom line. content. 8k content essentially does not exist.
Broken@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Not only does it not exist, it isn’t wanted. People are content watching videos on YouTube and Netflix. They don’t care for 4k. Even if they pay extra for Netflix 4k (which I highly doubt they do) I still question if they are watching 4k with their bandwidth and other limiting factors, which means they’re not watching 4k and are fine with it.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
TV manufacturers are idiots.
bobo1900@startrek.website 8 months ago
Not only the content doesn’t exist yet, it’s just not practical. Even now 4k broadcasting is rare and 4k streaming is a premium, imagine 8k that would roughly quadruple the amount of data required to transmit it (and transmit speee is not linear, 4x the speed would probably be at least 8x the cost).
fartographer@lemmy.world 8 months ago
That’s usually the case
themeatbridge@lemmy.world 8 months ago
4k tvs existed before the content existed. I think the larger issue is that the difference between what is and what could be is not worth the additional expense, especially at a time when most people struggle to pay rent, food, and medicine. More people watch videos on their phones than watch broadcast television. 8k is a solution looking for a problem.
Fredselfish@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Hell I still don’t own a 4k tv and don’t plan to go out of my way to buy one unless the need arises. Which I don’t see why I need that when a normal flat-screen looks fine to me.
I actually have some tube tvs and be thinking of just hooking my vcr back up and watching old tapes. I don’t need fancy resolutions in my shows or movies.
Only time I even think of those things is with video games.
jqubed@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I think it’s NHK, or one of the Japanese broadcasters anyways, that has actually been pressing for 8K since the 1990s. They didn’t have content back then and I doubt they have much today, but that’s what they wanted HD to be.
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Not familiar with NHK specifically, but it really makes a lot of sense for news networks to push for 8k or even 16k at this point.
Because it is a chicken and egg thing. Nobody is going to buy an 8k TV if all the things they watch are 1440p. But, similarly, there aren’t going to be widespread 8k releases if everyone is watching on 1440p screens and so forth.
But what that ALSO means is that there is no reason to justify using 8k cameras if the best you can hope for is a premium 4k stream of a sporting event. And news outlets are fairly regularly the only source of video evidence of literally historic events.
From a much more banal perspective, it is why there is a gap in TV/film where you go from 1080p or even 4k re-releases to increasingly shady upscaling of 720 or even 480 content back to everything being natively 4k. Over simplifying, it is because we were using MUCH higher quality cameras than we really should have been for so long before switching to cheaper film and outright digital sensors because “there is no point”. Obviously this ALSO is dependent on saving the high resolution originals but… yeah.
thejml@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I’ll take one! Well, two really. One large one for TV/media viewing and one to replace my 43" 4k monitor. Quadrupling the resolution on that would be amazing.
The difference would be minimal on the media screen, TBH, but Ive seen them in person and can tell the difference. It’s just not a bug enough difference to warrant replacing what I have.
floofloof@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
I chased high resolution for a while then realized my eyes are not so good. Now I just save money by using low-res displays. The same thing with my ears saved me from a creeping case of audiophilia.
Dindonmasker@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I use a VR headset as my PC display and i can choose whatever size or resolution and i’ve been using it in 8K for about a year for work to have many smaller windows that all look pretty clear. My bottleneck is probably the quest pro resolution so i’m looking forward to better headsets soon.
reddig33@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Maybe if they add 3D, people will buy them!
/s
CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 8 months ago
Tbf one if the use cases for display technologies with high pixel density is vr headsets.
Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yeah, very much looking forward to headsets with 8k panels. Most are up to 4k, and it’s getting pretty good. If it stays at 4k for a bit, that would be fine. But it’s definitely an area where 8k will still be a very noticeable upgrade.
wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Forget 3D, I want smellovision!
radix@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Well they say all new tech is driven by the porn industry, so, um…
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I want a new fucking 3D TV. I’m so mad every single manufacturer gave up on that.
Yes, a lot of 3D content was awful, headache-inducing, and bad… But tons of it was done very well and looks amazing.
bystander@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Manufacturers did give up on that relatively quick. 3DS was a thing around that time too.