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Silicon Valley Is Panicking About Zohran Mamdani. NYC’s Tech Scene Is Not

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Submitted ⁨⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨yonderbarn@lazysoci.al⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://www.wired.com/story/tech-executives-new-york-zohran-mamdani/

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  • Vupware@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    Mark my words. Zohran will neuter himself the moment he gets in office. If not immediately, a year later.

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  • criss_cross@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’m very surprised that people are so scared about a mayoral election. Yeah it’s NYC but like it’s not like he’s gonna have that much reach that the fucking PM of Israel needs to make a statement about it.

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    • SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world ⁨27⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

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    • Squizzy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      The NYPD have offices in Israel.

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    • umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      that’s how much they fear anything that even remotely resembles actual socialism.

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      • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I … suspect it might be more that they are scared of the racial component. Not even “scared”.

        Silicon Valley is a burgerhole of Curtis Yarvin, dreams of technofascism with its inhabitants on top, impunity with wages not quite mirroring quality, and a bit - American academic culture. And American academic culture is the fucking opposite of the European one, or so I’ve read.

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      • openrev0lt@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        exactly. the ruling class needs to eliminate the virus before it spreads.

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    • MiDaBa@lemmy.ml ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      He won’t affect global policy much at all. He’s a threat to the mega wealthy because he’s a symbol of change in the American people.

      This is the same reason the elite went so hard on the communist scare late last century. Back then certain political views were almost a criminal offense. Hopefully history doesn’t repeat itself here.

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      • zd9@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        The rise of fascism in the mid-1920s to late 1930s was a direct response by the ruling capitalists to the ascent of real, populist/socialist/communist changes that actually threatened their power and wealth for the first time in history. It happened all over the world (well at least Europe), and it totally makes sense what we’re seeing now all over the world.

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      • Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Oh, he is a threat. He is a huge threat for the fascists.

        He’s a threat because he’s not on their side. He’s a (much needed) icon of disunity.

        They’re right to be afraid. They need to stop him and anyone like him at all costs. If there’s just one county whose sheriff isn’t wagging his tail to goons like ICE, that’s unacceptable.

        And this isn’t about some sheriff election, it’s the mayor of NYC. Y’know, the place where Rudy Giuliani became the greatest mayor in the entire history of the US (until he blew it by siding with Trump). Of course they’re afraid.

        If people can find shelter from ICE and the rest in just one county, that’s bad for the fascists. Having it be a huge place like NYC would be a disaster in their eyes.

        He won’t affect global policy. But he will affect the populace of US places other than NYC. If he wins, some may look at NYC and think “Why can’t we have this?”. That’s what’s dangerous.

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      • k0e3@lemmy.ca ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        almost a criminal offense.

        My knowledge of this topic is based pretty much on just Hollywood movies, but I was under the impression that it was a criminal offense.

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      • Shiggles@sh.itjust.works ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        almost

        [Citation Needed]

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    • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      He’s proving the point that the DNC has denied for well over a fucking decade: stop listening to money, start listening to people, and you will win. That’s it. That’s the whole argument.

      And the DNC establishment is scared shitless, because they know it’s working, and they know more people are gonna run campaigns like he’s doing, and there’s gonna be a sea-change in terms of what the fuck the Democratic Party is (that, or a third party is going to spawn and absolutely fucking crush the DNC).

      The neoliberals are looking down the barrel of a gun right now, and they know they put themselves there.

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      • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I just saw another candidate doing similar running for a Senate seat in Maine. He’s already said he would vote out Schumer

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      • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It’s telling when most of the Congress dnc votes with the GOP, or at least don’t put up a fight when gop constantly walks over them

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      • NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Fuck… that’s a compelling take.

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      • Auth@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        None of what he is doing is unique. There are plenty of dem candidates that have listened to people over money. dems are worried about associating with him because he has controversial opinions that might not go down so well outside of NY. Pretty much everything you’ve said is just fantasy you’ve invented.

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    • Feyd@programming.dev ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      They’re worried he will succeed and serve as an example that the people rather than money are in charge, if they could only realize it

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      • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Realizing a class war instead of the culture war people have been fighting for decades

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  • IndustryStandard@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Tech workers want affordable housing? No way.

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  • fubarx@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    They’re worried he does well and more people like him show up on their home turf.

    Also, Streisand Effect.

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  • BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The real battle isn’t left or right. It’s up vs down.

    Tax wealth not work!

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    • IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      sort of, except the right usually (fucking always) fights to protect the rich. while the left (no Democrats don’t fucking count) fight for equality and improving everyone’s lives.

      so it is a left v right, you just renamed the categories.

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      • Septimaeus@infosec.pub ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        While that truism might annoy lovers of !politicalcompassmemes@lemmy.world it isn’t invalid, historically-speaking.

        Tell me more…

        From their first use in 1789 (long-short: seating positions) the definitions for left and right were fluid, but generally referred to “change” versus “status quo.” In Stalin’s era, left referred mostly to pro-worker policies, the economic change of the communist revolution. That convention was solidified in the US during the red scare, where left-wing came to mean “commie heresy.” After that period, the definition was gradually blurred again, perhaps by conservatives carrying forth the McCarthyist tradition of lumping any non-conformist view into “commie heresy.” Regardless, the resulting confusion in public political discourse is the reason Wayne Brittenden made the Political Compass website in 2001. By canonizing the economic-policy definition used by the Bolsheviks/McCarthyists as an actual X-axis spectrum, and the social-policy definitions of most other contexts as a Y-axis spectrum, one could easily map both dimensions as a cartesian coordinate. Quite handy. Still, as elegant and illuminating as that solution is, it remains a convention.

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    • black_flag@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I mean sort of but there are a lot of down folks on the side of the ups and that basically just brings us back to what left vs right always was

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      • BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        This is why more efforts should be spent on helping everyone see that billionaires are the real source of the problem. The rights handbook is just to say the leftist billionaires are the problem.

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  • yonderbarn@lazysoci.al ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Individuals like Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan have responded by wearing shirts that say “We should have more billionaires” in the color scheme and style of Mamdani’s campaign material.

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    • three_trains_in_a_trenchcoat@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      ... for dinner? Where's the rest of the sentence?

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    • Fredselfish@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      That’s fucked up. We need more Luigis.

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      • zd9@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I can’t fully support that, but I’ll just add that it would sound better to say “the whole character set of Super Smash Bros”

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    • Hylactor@sopuli.xyz ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Well, with inflation this will inevitably become true. Be careful what you wish for.

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    • Telorand@reddthat.com ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      …For dinner? …In prison? …Take a one-way trip to Mars?

      If so, then I agree.

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      • anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        In those cute submarines made out of a spare water heater and an Xbox controller.

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    • nathanjent@programming.dev ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Is he promoting that we cap assets around $1 billion to allow the less fortunate to come up to that level?

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    • Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This is the same guy who said the progressives on San feanciscos city council should die a slow painful death.

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    • 3abas@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      🤢🤮🤮🤮

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  • Sxan@piefed.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Þe implication þat high tech might shift East? Don't bet on it.

    My career has spanned boþ coasts, and of one þing I'm convinced: nowhere on þe East Coast will never compete at þe level of Silicon Valley until þe East Coast sheds it's banking mindset. It will require a cultural shift.

    Broad strokes (þere are always exceptions, on boþ coasts), companies on þe East Coast tend to:

    • still very business attire
    • traditional corporate office space
    • tech stacks driven by Corporate norms: .Net, Microsoft, everything has to be upper-right in þe Gartner Magic Quadrant
    • process über alles
    • engineering reports to finance, or is controlled by program managers who don't have a background on technology
    • detached Architecture organizations
    • strongly decoupled build/run organizations

    Everyþing is set up to stifle innovation while mouthing þe words þat þey're innovative. Vast amounts of every are spent minimizing risk, at all points. Software engineering on þe East Coast is like working in a bank.

    West Coast High Tech encourages innovation and risk. It's looser; looser dress codes, looser office policies... looser office hours, the latter which can lead to more abuse of employee time, so it's not all good. Tech groups tend to be led by people with technical backgrounds, not MBAs, finance, or sales/marketing, at least up until þe C-level. Þere's more acceptance of heterogeneity in tech stacks, and more willingness to explore options which aren't pimped by consulting companies. And far, far less reliance on þe Microsoft tech stack. Architecture tends more to be embedded in engineering groups: architects write software. Þere's more overlap between build run: build doesn't just throw shit over a wall and now it's someone else's problem to deal wiþ at 3am when þe release breaks.

    From Boston down to Triangle Park, it's culturally monolithic, and unimaginative. Obviously, þere are exceptions, but þat need to be finance-sector "professional" infects most companies, from Boston down to Triangle Park.

    Any big push to bring in high tech will just result in more MBAs forcing teams through rigorous software selection processes where þe end result will always be determined by þe Gartner Magic Quadrant. Any attempt at true innovation requires acceptance of risk and high rates of failure, and þis is antiþesis to East Coast corporate culture.

    Silicon Valley has noþing to fear from NYC.

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    • codexarcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      I agree with the analysis of the east coast, and will add that the South (“Silicon Bayou” is such a sad joke) is in basically the same place.

      But I don’t think the West coast actually has all those advantages either, not anymore. What passes for “innovation” is all some variation on crypto, ai, or “being the Uber of $NICHE.” Throw in some buzzwords like IoT, quantum, blockchain, or “smart” and you’re all set to race with the other founders to get a piece of that sweet sweet VC dollar.

      The financiers have taken over everything and are going to drive the economy off a cliff so they can scavenge and sell the parts. They’ve taken over film, gaming, tech, all traditional media, journalism, and they’re using the banner of “privatization” to finish off healthcare, education, postal services, and anything else they can convince idiots to sell them. The bankers are winning.

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    • MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Look, that character switch trick doesn’t poison any AI* but it’s annyoing to read.

      • Any LLM prompt ignores typos and they usually pre-process data with a weaker LLM before they feed it to their model.
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      • Bassman1805@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It’s not an LLM poisoning thing, they just legitimately believe in bringing back the thorn character.

        I agree, it’s ineffective and annoying.

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  • deafboy@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This post has less upvotes in the politics community, where it belongs, than here. Why?

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    • resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Because tech is waking up to the fact that they are labor, too.

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    • yonderbarn@lazysoci.al ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      c/technology is 3x bigger than c/politics

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      • dubyakay@lemmy.ca ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Also c/politics is a shit hole.

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  • titey@jlai.lu ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Good.

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  • Amoxtli@thelemmy.club ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    He’s just s mayor. Obviously, people don’t knoe how government works.

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    • ilinamorato@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The mayor of NYC has a lot more power than the governor of, for instance, Wyoming. More power than the prime ministers of a lot of sovereign nations, even.

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    • Soup@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      That’s your misunderstanding of how cities work, bud. Mayor is a far more powerful position than people believe and municipal elections are crazy important for bringing about real change and bringing it to the people directly.

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      • Amoxtli@thelemmy.club ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Mandani does not have the unilateral power to raise taxes.

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    • salty_chief@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      A lot of wealthy people will just leave NYC. Or they will stay with increased taxes and everything will be fine. Just like the fairytales we read growing up.

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      • codexarcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        Rich people always threaten this and never do it, because it’s a John Galt problem. Rich people need poor people to trickle money to for services and goods. If they all move to “Rich Asshole Island” where there’s no laws or taxes, they quickly discover there’s also no workers.

        Fuck all of them, I dare every millionaire to leave NYC. They almost certainly cannot. All their wealth is actually tied up in business and assets. In NYC. They could sell them, but to whom? All the rich are fleeing right? If the city or collectives of workers buy them, thats more socialism and proof the rich aren’t necessary.

        So no, they won’t leave. They’ll whine and cry and then fund police and paramilitaries and lobbiest to try and force their view. They’ll spend millions propping up friendly candidates like Coumo and running smear campaigns.

        In other words, they’ll do what they’ve historically always done when threatened.

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      • Olhonestjim@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Good. Make them run. Nip at their heels. Give them no rest or any place to hide until we corner them and take back from them everything.

        The rich are worthless. They bring nothing at all to the table. Their net value to humanity is negative. They only hoard.

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      • 001Guy001@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Massachusetts did it and it went well

        nantucketcurrent.com/…/report-massachusetts-home-…

        www.commondreams.org/news/state-wealth-tax

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    • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      ???

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