The Age-Checked Internet Has Arrived

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• UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml ⁨57⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

  I am 420 years old.

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• HexesofVexes@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  See, there are a few ways this could go.

  1. Age verification is as secure and private as promised, and it’s left at that. I like to call this “the miracle”, and we all know those don’t happen.

  2. Age verification is as secure and private as promised, but a government asks for “access to data to prevent crime” - things degenerate from there. This is the “systemic failure” scenario.

  3. Age verification is as secure and private as promised, but new scams evolve around it to make it dangerous. This would be the “criminal element” scenario.

  4. Age verification is not as secure and private as promised, and a leak occurs destroying lives and careers. This is the “system failure” scenario.

  5. Age verification is as secure and private as promised, but a few companies start scraping and selling data, leading to widespread harms. This is the “unethical merchant” scenario, and the most likely outcome.

  All in all, there is only one “ok” scenario, and a lot of horrific ones. The math says we’re entirely boned ^_^

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  • D_Air1@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Or all of the above while still not being “as secure and private as promised”.

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    • emmy67@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Nothing is ever as secure and private as promised.

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  • HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    4, as it’s already happening. It’s just to be seen if people will have their lives ruined

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    • Scrollone@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      We would need politicians to be the victims. Then these fascist laws will suddenly be cancelled.

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  • tonytins@pawb.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Five seems to be the most plausible. Although knowing how shit corporate security is, I foresee a mix of three and four being common.

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  • ThatKomputerKat@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Already been seeing bullshit “age verification” scams in replies on mastodon for over a week now.

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• queueBenSis@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  these laws are all about control and tracking what you do online. they make the internet MORE dangerous, because (as with everything the government restricts or bans) there will be a black market, which is always more dangerous and exposes people to more things than they were looking for in the first place. you think dark web providers are gonna make you upload your id to stay compliant? no, they’re gonna continue anonymously operating through TOR and serve up some very questionably sourced content to those teens that are searching “boobs” and can no longer access pornhub

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  • G4Z@feddit.uk ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Fuck it, let’s get back to something like the way it was.

    Anonymous, amateur, just slightly hard to access to keep the mouth breathers out.

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    • Zink@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Well now that sounds a little like the fediverse itself!

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  • ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I really, really dont want to search for porn on the dark net…

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    • muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      That’s what this is going to become. And that’s another point to this. They can just go after people using the dark net claim it was for kiddie porn even if it wasn’t. the masses will just believe them.

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    • xiwi@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      There’s like a gazillion porn sites on the clearnet though, I can’t imagine them being able to track then all

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    • thermal_shock@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Premiumporn.org

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• masterofn001@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  It is not age verification.

  It is privacy invading, morality policing, de-anonymizing, state surveillance.

  Nothing less.

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  • passepartout@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Shout out to yt-dlp, the absolute unit of software beneath lots of media scraping tools.

    You can also use MPV Video player, should be able to play many URLs you throw at it.

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  • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    to convert from hls (m3u8 streams) to mp4, you can also use ffmpeg:

    ffmpeg -i https://y.com/path/to/stream.m3u8 output.mp4

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    • masterofn001@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Now this I can use.

      Vlc can be a bit… Tedious.

      Thanks.

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  • atticus88th@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Its easier to just sail the torrential high seas and get that 4k h265 quality shit that sites keep for paying members only. Once you know the models name its easy to get their entire collection.

    I professionally pron too.

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    • PattyMcB@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      ARRRR!

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    • Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Nowadays I’m also worried about acquiring a stealerlog collection as well.

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  • MysteriousSophon21@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    yt-dlp is also insanely good for this - just install it, point it at the URL and it’ll usually figrue out how to grab the video without any fuss.

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  • G4Z@feddit.uk ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Or just Video Downloadhelper.

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  • HakunaHafada@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I really wish I could upvote this more than once. This is awesome.

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  • BaroqueInMind@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    How would one do this on a mobile browser?

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    • SmackemWittadic@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Chromium based browsers have an option that lets you view the source code by putting “view-source:” before the URL to see embedded videos

      So > www.website.com/pagewithvideo becomes > view-source:www.website.com/pagewithvideo

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    • markko@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I’d imagine you’d need a browser that has developer tools, which is far less common on mobile. A simpler solution would be to use a separate app that just takes the page URL and downloads the video for you, such as this one: f-droid.org/en/packages/com.junkfood.seal/

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    • IllNess@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Note: this isn’t free but I use 1DM+. It has it’s own browser that filters out the videos for download. It won’t work with YouTube and a bunch of other websites because Google acts like a little bitch to the developer.

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  • devdoggy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    That is fucking amazing. Thank you!

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• OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  This isn’t about being “age-checked”. It’s about IDing everyone on the internet and tracking where they go and what they do.

  The world we live in is far far worse than anything from 1984.

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  • LordCrom@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Exactly this.

    Governments have a rock hard boner for detailed face scans of every person.

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  • Jarix@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I think that’s the tech side windfall, the age checking is entirely to put road blocks infront of boobies. They it will force places to just not service those regions because of the hurdles of convincing enough people to give their ID, some will, and more over time.

    And it now gives I people a reason to actually create fake IDs or just more identity theft uses. Raise the value of obtaining people’s ID is the windfall for the data rapers

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• drmoose@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I legitimately dont understand who supports this. Who are these parents that can’t parent their kids properly? It’s so incredibly easy these days.

  So instead of handling shitty parenting we restrict adults and with surveillance. Make it make sense.

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  • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Who supports it? Fascists. It’s about controlling access to information and robbing the populace of privacy at the same time. An oppressive, authoritarian police state needs tools to maintain control. These are the tools.

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    • rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      It’s not “support”, it’s already been done in practice.

      What they are finishing right now is the convenient way. To surveil 97% instead of 94%. And to make it official to reduce expenses.

      And sorry, but “moderate leftists” are those who made it happen, first dreaming how on big centrally moderated platforms the “bad” speech and people will be censored (how irritating it was that in the free Web those people could write whatever they wanted) and theirs won’t be, and propaganda won’t flourish, and after that dreaming how they can demand loudly enough that the platforms would work for them and not for themselves.

      I perfectly remember how people loving Steinbeck and expressing anarchist views would look at me like at an enemy for saying that Facebook, Twitter etc are bad and a trap, and such hierarchical systems can’t be good. That arrogant obnoxious “see, in the real society we collectively press for our rights and the rules are made and obeyed”, yes, I’ve met fools who told me things like that. Where’s your society now, bitch.

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  • subignition@piefed.social ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    There are SO MANY parents that are not willing to teach and monitor their kids online safety. I would even say most parents don't take that responsibility themselves.

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    • fucktrump@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Totally in agreement. I think a bigger part of the issue is most people are completely tech illiterate. People can’t tell a computer from a monitor anymore and then we expect them to outsmart a kid with nothing better to do than stare at a screen for hours on end who will no doubt figure out ways around things. There has to be some feeling on the parents part of defeat. If only the politicians knew what the fuck they were doing we might get actual regulations for engineers to implement proper controls. The percentage of parents attempting to monitor their children appropriately while also having enough tech knowledge has to be low.

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  • Sunsofold@lemmings.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    One of the biggest problems with human societies is that parents, by necessity, have their brains broken and, due to modern values/life, are under constant strain. Being a parent means (generally) the kid is priority 1, then there’s everything else. This is a necessary irrationality, but if this means you have to do the occasional genocide or violate someone else’s civil rights to ‘keep our kids safe’ then, by god, those people are just going to have to suck it up and die. Sometimes, if you have the time, you can talk some people around and remind them, one day their kids are going to have to live in society as one of those 'someone else’s and won’t always be their precious little baby, but almost no one has the time and energy for a more nuanced thought than ‘save the babies!’ much less if they also have to work 48 hours, commute 10 hours, and parent their kid(s) for 167 hours each week.

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  • rozodru@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    a lot of people. The other day I saw a post on mastodon by some politician or someone in the UK stating that if people find any site that is geoblocking the UK because of the age verification to report it to some link he provided. it was boosted A LOT with a lot of replies in support.

    bootlickers.

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    • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      report, lol. what does that douchebag want to do? fine a foreign website for not serving his oh so precious country?

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    • samus12345@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Report why? They’re entirely within their rights if they want to geoblock them.

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  • Vinstaal0@feddit.nl ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Age verification has it’s place online, but not for porn. That is just gonna push peopel to worse sites.

    For gambling and stock market sites and the like I can understand it, but I would prefer if we wouldn’t need to send our ID to those sites. Heck if Valve would implement it I could actually gamble on steam again cause currently I cannot open a Tf2 crate …

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    • piyuv@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      That’s not age verification, that’s KYC (know your customer) which includes age verification. I agree, KYC has its place on the net, but this is definitely not it.

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  • MITM0@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Faacists do

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  • ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Parental controls for internet use have been around since the 90s. There are even some vintage porn sites that have been running since then that have ads for them. I know this. I saw them back in 1999 and 2000… when I was an underage guy looking at porn online.

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  • scarabic@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It plays quite well with the “I think about things for two seconds, and mostly think with my lower intestine” crowd.

    They hear “kids shouldn’t be able to access porn” and they think yeah what’s wrong with that. Then they hear “Democrats want your kids to get porn” and they hit share.

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  • ilovecheese@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It’s the parents that wont face the fact that it’s them paying for their kids internet access.

    Parents intentionally and deliberately pay for their kids to access this shit. But none of them want to accept that when it can all be someone elses fault.

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    • Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I don’t see why they need to force it on the rest of us though.

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  • Auli@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    For a lot of people it is hard and over walking because they don’t understand.

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  • hansolo@lemmy.today ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s more like who supports this in theory vs. who supports this how it’s written and implemented.

    Realistically, no one should love how easy it is for anyone of any age to go to any search engine and search for “boobs” and just get a million images of boobs. I’m not a parent, but I know my parents when I was a teenager would have loved something like this. Kids are sneaky and smart, and this is a blanket thing parents think will once again put porn behind a barrier.

    In a perfect world, a system could very easily exist that would 1) allow for a super-secure government owned digital ID system that isn’t a surveillance nightmare, 2) that system use a hash to verify over 18 age anonymously in real time. That’s how it’s supposed to work with digital IDs - only the data you need to verify is displayed to a vendor. Over 18 is a binary yes/no - a full DOB or name isn’t even needed.

    The government ID wallet or site would use a no-log system to generate a hash value for you when you ask for one. You ask your ID app or site for an age verification hash. You get one that’s valid for about 2 minutes. Copy, paste as needed. The site uses the hash to only know “is this person over 18 or not?” and nothing else. The ID system shouldn’t keep the logs of which site asked back to confirm “is this hash valid?” This is exactly as secure as going to a liquor store with your passport or ID card and having tape over the name, address, and doc number. It’s even better because your face is not displayed, and your actual DOB should not be displayed either.

    However, in our present shitty reality, companies who are trying to get contracts for these systems can’t help but feed their existing, and lucrative, addiction to selling our data and using poor security to store that data. So they want your Google/Apple/Samsung wallets connected to a government system that is actually ran by a 3rd party vendor with questionable security practices, and to provide far more information because no one has set an international standard for neither digital ID checks, nor IDs in general, enough to make it anything less than the surveillance state nightmare that is holding a government ID with all your info, while you move your face around and give them a 3D face scan that the platform doesn’t keep, but the verification company does.

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    • drmoose@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Hard disagree with your initial premise that seeing boobs in google images is somehow a bad thing. What is it supposed to achieve? Hide the existence of breasts from kids until they turn 18? Thats absurdly repressive.

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    • Naia@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Realistically, no one should love how easy it is for anyone of any age to go to any search engine and search for “boobs” and just get a million images of boobs.

      First. let’s not pretend the idea of a kid seeing “boobs” is in any way shape or form actually harmful. Pushing that taboo is why there is any issue in the first place.

      Second: This is always a slippery slope. Even if we gave the benefit of the doubt that these things are done in with honest intentions, someone will abuse the system eventually. At least in the US the fascists have already laid out intention to classify LGBTQ people as “porn” in an effort to both silence us online and ban us in public. And what of the countless queer kids in an abusive home?

      And even without someone explicitly exploiting it, there had already been instances where kids who were being actively sexually abused by the adults in their life were blocked from resources that could get them help because of content blocking like this.

      Thirdly: People can take responsibility for their crotch spawn and be a fucking parent.

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  • elucubra@sopuli.xyz ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Most parents are way less literate than their kids. Most censorship/site restriction, can be circumvented easily.

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    • Fondots@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      We’re at or reaching a tipping point where I’m not sure that’s true anymore.

      Most people with kids now are (roughly) in their 20s-40s. At the older end of that range, you have some gen-xers who might have missed the boat on computer literacy, but by and large we’re talking about millennials and older gen-z at this point. Kids who grew up with the internet, probably very clearly remember their family getting their first computer if they didn’t already have one when they were born, had computer classes in school, etc.

      And we’re running into an issue where younger Gen z and alpha in many cases are less computer literate in many ways. A lot of them aren’t really learning to use a computer so much as they are smartphones and tablets, and I’m not knocking how useful those devices can be, I do damn-near everything I need to do on my phone, but they are limited compared to a PC and don’t really offer as much of an opportunity to learn how computers work.

      There’s a ton of exceptions to that of course, some of my millennial friends are still clueless about how to do basic things on a computer, and some children today are of course learning how to do anything and everything on a computer or even on a phone.

      But overall, I don’t think there’s as much disparity in technological literacy between the children and parents of today as there was in previous generations, and in some ways that trend may have even reversed.

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    • Auli@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I don’t think so. It’s like cars everyone has a car and can drive it but very few can fix them. Tech has become that.

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• Deflated0ne@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I will not be participating. I’ll get around any barriers they put in place.

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  • shaggyb@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    And if I can’t, I’ll just stop using the internet for anything I don’t absolutely have to.

    I don’t really need my smartphone. A laptop will do.

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    • ook@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You don’t use the internet on a laptop?

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    • ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Anything you can do on a smartphone that would require Internet would also require Internet on a laptop no?

      I suppose you could download offline installers to a thumb drive at the library or smth

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  • jol@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’m sure some countries will gladly setup VPNs for accessing this stuff even when all other countries block adult stuff.

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• npcknapsack@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Sucks, because it’s going global and we can’t seem to stop it. I’m fine with laws to age gate in terms of a button you click. If some kid is willing to say they’re 15… well, let’s make sure people are treating them as a 15 year old. But… making everyone deal with real verification is at best going to further entrench big business, and at worst, destroy the internet we love. And it raises the question: are trans teenagers talking to each other now creating adult content because the UK hates trans people?

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• londos@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  On the internet everyone will know you’re a dog.

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  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Mrreow? 😾

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• ryannathans@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I want to go back

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• Korkki@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  All the big adult sites will probably just die or at least shrivel in popularity. Most Europeans simply will not use whatever “tell Brussels or London where or what what you are watching” option is. In the place of the big sites there will be a billion shady and likely virus-lottery proxy sites whose only selling point is that they do not do age checking or require registration. Those then get occasionally smacked down by Brussels, just to be replaced with 10 more clones the by the next week. On the side piracy and vpns will thrive. Kids will not be protected nor will people’s privacy, quality will be worse.

  I would also bet that when the landscape decentralizes there will be a lot more cp, revenge and peep-videos and other illegal shit in the mix that will get through through the cracks since massive established sites had to actually fear shutdown and losing all revenue unless they had robust gatekeeping mechanisms. If Brussels wants your 2 month life-expectancy site dead anyway, because of it’s only selling point of having to show id, then why really bother with the quality control of the material of site holder has no personal qualms about that stuff.

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• WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Since the earliest days of the internet, governments have been scheming to gain control over the dissemination of content - to have authority over what people can and cannot see.

  Autocracies like Russia, China and North Korea simply established censorships regimes, but the best that western governments have generally been able to do is ban content that is illegal in and of itself, like child porn. Their goal, all along, has been to establish systems by which to censor content that is not in and of itself illegal.

  This is the most success they’ve had yet.

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• jpablo68@infosec.pub ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Well time to sell thumbdrives to teenagers filled with “tutorials.mp4” and “online class.mp4” lol.

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• Lofi_Haze@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Can someone tell me if people are actually doing this or just using VPNs? Or what other routes are there around this?

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• thirtyfold8625@thebrainbin.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  age-check laws threatens to chill speech

  You’ve read your last free article.

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• eleitl@lemmy.zip ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Haven’t seen any age verification in BGP.

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• absquatulate@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I wonder what it was that made Pornhub cooperate this time around. Iirc in texas and france they just “left” instead of implementing the age verification.

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• vikingtons@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I’ll make my own internet… with blackjack

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• Gsus4@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I have been asked to enter a credit card to verify my age on yt a few times before. It was pretty annoying, really, given how much google already knows about me.

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• chunes@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  That’s fine. The actual internet will still be here.

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• wowwoweowza@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Not for me, bitches!

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