It seemed like every search on Itchio was 70% NSFW results before this move
First they came for steam, then they came for itch.io .
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SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
RagingRobot@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Why are they doing a comprehensive audit on the content and not doing a comprehensive audit on new payment providers? I sure would be
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Because they would basically die off without the credit card processors, I assume.
RagingRobot@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Yeah so they should shop around now that theirs seems to be problematic
Spoomis@toast.ooo 8 hours ago
My biggest issue with this situation is: if they can get away with getting games they don’t like being delisted, where does it end? Delisting books with themes or authors they don’t like? Banning the sale of alcohol and cigarettes?
DegenerationIP@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Honestly haven’t thought so far. But Media lacks that, as almost everything is clickbait.
And you got a point. There is questionable stuff. But killing off a whole area is like a bit shot on a small bird
Zedd_Prophecy@lemmy.world 1 day ago
This morality police crap being carried out by the most immoral bastards on the planet needs to stop.
joenforcer@midwest.social 13 minutes ago
You realize that you’re defending a game that was literally a rape and incest simulator that was already named in multiple countries before the payment processor issue occurred, right?
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Yeah! Let’s sell pornos out of candy shops too! Fuck morality policing!
deaf_fish@midwest.social 13 hours ago
No one with a brain is suggesting this. It should be up to the service and government to create rules to allow or not allow harmful content. It should definitely not be a payment processor.
kilgore_trout@feddit.it 20 hours ago
The issue at hand is that it’s being made impossible to sell them at all.
Iambus@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Yep fuck morality policing and anyone who supports it, hope you all rot in hell etc.
Zedd_Prophecy@lemmy.world 1 day ago
except nowhere on earth is your example happening.
qarbone@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
When did they say “fuck morality policing”, or even “let’s all stop policing morality”?
Either you piggy-backed off a comment to be a whole weirdo. Or you neee to up your reading comprehension.
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 21 hours ago
why not?
danny801@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
I mean, crypto is still not the answer so long as it is functionally a speculative asset even after all the proof efficiency improvements… Also it still has centralized points which keyholders could easily leverage.
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 1 day ago
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melinda_Tankard_Reist?wprov…
Collective Shout. Thanks to itch.io for naming them. TIL
SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 day ago
Wow, good to learn about the conservative christian, anti-abortion, “radical feminist”.
inbeesee@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Here’s a different comment to avoid the other stupid one. Feminist support equal rights and freedom.
Fontasia@feddit.nl 1 day ago
My favourite fact is she thinks decriminalising sex work will lead to more sex trafficing.
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Such wisdom and vision, we should let these people have power over payment processors
Wahots@pawb.social 1 day ago
Damn, Rupert Murdoch and now this asshole. Australia has a monopoly on ruining media, lol.
redwattlebird@lemmings.world 1 day ago
You can thank Advance Australia for that. Huge think tank that likely bank rolls all this nonsense and more.
Also, down with Collective Shout! As someone who suffered child abuse, I condemn these cookers crusading under the guise of child protection. FFS, they were patting themselves on the back for stopping sales of plastic heads on Temu.
TheBat@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Reist reviewed the controversial Netflix film Cuties (2020) for both her ABC Religion & Ethics column[20] and for the Christian newspaper Eternity.[21] She described the film as “a social critique on what happens when we allow misogynistic, violent, exhibitionist internet culture to ravage girls – training them to wield their immature bodies as currency.”[21] Reist related the film to the activism of Collective Shout: “In the past 10 years at Collective Shout, we have met many girls this age, who have felt the same pressures. Some have taken inappropriate pics and shared them, sexualising themselves either out of a sense of obligation, or because they have believed the lie that self-objectification is empowering or liberating.”[21] However, regarding certain scenes in the film, she wrote that “the complexity here is that in trying to make a serious ethical point about girls and sexuality, the girls may have been used unwittingly — but still inappropriately — to a noble end. The scene could have been filmed differently[.]”[20]
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Yeah. As a society we seriously need to get on the same page about morality, but for my money it can’t come from a religious group tinkering with the beating heart of commerce. They may have points to make but it’s fruit of the poisoned tree.
Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
Transaction companies should not play police, in my opinion
In fact no company should play being police
This is why we have the digital market act
How are transaction offering companies not included there? Who gives them the right to choose what people consume?
Way do much centralised power
Basically a dictatorship
Fuck that
Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
I mean, they have no problems offering transaction services to obvious scams like “find sex in your region” and other scammy find relationship websites.
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 1 day ago
This will never go away. Payment processors make life easy for most consumers, people like them. And as long as we have them, they hold all the power around how money can be used. And they will always be limited by governments and local laws.
If you don’t like the situation, use cash. If that’s too inconvenient Bitcoin is essentially your only other option.
bouh@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
They have the power because states gave it to them. States can very easily take it back. But they won’t because they’re corrupted assholes.
Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 19 hours ago
Bitcoin, and the millions other way more efficient alternatives 😜
shneancy@lemmy.world 1 day ago
gamers, unironically, rise up. this isn’t going to end on niche porn games
DeLacue@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It’s already expanded. It started as going after “rape and incest” but now it’s all adult games. But a bunch of lgbtq games have already gotten hit. I am beyond furious.
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It’s gonna stop once they hit a category that includes big AAA games. Once they start cutting into the revenue of Call of Duty or Assassin’s Creed the big developers should take a stance.
Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
Since this is caused by activist pressure on the payment processors, perhaps a grassroots activist campaign of our own could change their mind. Especially if we threaten to stop using their services in favor of any competitor that allows all legal purchases.
Katana314@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Hopefully you’re referring to Visa/Paypal, not Itch.
One place that comes to mind is Verotel. I barely know them, but supposedly one of their star attributes is their use for adult businesses. Likely someone else knows them better.
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’m not sure that works, like on a purely game theory level. If gamers start to apply pressure, threaten to stop buying games, the stores need to make a choice:
A. Risk facing the wrath of the games, sales are likely to drop. Possibly by a lot, perhaps 15-20%. That could keep up for months before stabilizing.
B. Risk facing the wrath of the payment processors, credit card sales will stop immediately, only alternative payment types get through. Sales drop by 80% and that will continue indefinitely.
While both of those options are bad, one of them is totally fatal to their business.
SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 1 day ago
How do I tell politely in a letter to MasterCard, that if I want to buy a horse dildo it's only MY fucking business?
shneancy@lemmy.world 1 day ago
buy a horse dildo with bitcoin and flaunt how they didn’t get any money from your transaction? idk man, i’m good at vague ideas, specifics are harder
Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Neighbors being kidnapped: I sleep
Taking my fetish games: Real Shit
MITM0@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Any games with even mild nudity is next (like Nier)
ssroxnak@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Yep, then lgbtq games, then games with guns, then games with blood, so on and so on
RagingRobot@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
So can I call the payment providers of the companies I don’t like and complain about them?
fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Miserable fuckers, the whole lot of puritans…
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Fuck religion.
Wahots@pawb.social 1 day ago
Don’t you just love people that can’t mind their own fucking business?
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 1 day ago
Bro for real! Like I hate any porn game, as a game. Not as a societal flaw!
So you know what I do? Same exact thing I do about gay sex. I don’t do it, I don’t think about it very often unless there’s a funny joke to be made in a tangential way, and I don’t tell other people that they have to be exact like me.
Ffs, let people do what they want if they aren’t hurting anyone.
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 1 day ago
“If you sin you’re going to hell, I have to save you from yourself!”
Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Yall will hate me for it, but porn games should have never been on the main launcher. That’s just asking for trouble. Steam should have a secondary launcher that is just for the adult games, and keep the two seperate. This shit wouldn’t be happening if these games hadn’t been so accessible to people not looking for that in the first place.
Also lets be honest, some of the shit is over the line. There shouldn’t be multiple “Sex with Hitler” games, because as ridiculous as that sounds, normalizing Nazis and Hitler is a fucking virus that does so much fucking harm when spread. Its not just a “silly joke”.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
You might have a point on problematic content for the same reason that satire is difficult to pull off, but the entire category of “porn” is WAY too broad of a line to draw.
jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 6 hours ago
I don’t think adult content should be stigmatized and quarantined. Why is a game about cutting terrified victims open with a handsaw cool, but a game about licking a clit needs to be isolated?
Antwares@lemmynsfw.com 9 hours ago
Adult content is opt-in and age verified on steam.
Making an “adult content” launcher would just give more targeted scrutiny. It’s like saying, “here’s the target for you Puritans to attack the while company over!”
The only way I can think that kind of obfuscation could work would be to have the adult content launcher run through a secondary company under license to use steam software. But then, there’s still the pay processing issue, and that license could violate the processor ToS anyways.
Cyberflunk@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Collective shout finacials year: 2024 revenue: 458043 employee_expenses: 107000 other_expenses: 215488 net_surplus: 135555 employees: total_fte: 2 full_time: 0 part_time: 1 casual: 4 volunteers: 15 donations_and_bequests: 389800 government_grants: 0 commercial_income: 0 expense_to_revenue_ratio: "70.4%" average_expense_per_employee: 39400 Leadership - name: Melinda Tankard Reist role: Founder, Movement Director public_socials: - Twitter: @MelTankardReist - Instagram: @collective.shout public_email_address: Not publicly listed salary: Not publicly listed - name: Caitlin Roper role: Campaigns Manager public_socials: - Instagram: @collective.shout public_email_address: Not publicly listed salary: Not publicly listed - name: Renee Chopping role: Campaigns Strategy public_socials: - LinkedIn public_email_address: r******@collectiveshout.org salary: Not publicly listed - name: Lyn Swanson Kennedy role: Campaigns Strategy public_socials: - Instagram: @collective.shout public_email_address: Not publicly listed salary: Not publicly listed - name: Coralie Alison role: Movement Operations Manager public_socials: - Twitter: @CoralieAlison - Instagram: @collective.shout public_email_address: Not publicly listed salary: Not publicly listed
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
This is exactly like the pearl-clutching we had back in the 1980’s around D&D and music lyrics. At least we moved the goalpost from satanic panic and thinly-veiled racism, over to “art that features sexual expression I don’t understand.”
If history is any indicator, their actions are only going to increase awareness of this kind of stuff.
MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 hours ago
Can people please stop using the genocide poem to talk about businesses indpendently choosing to moderate porn games on their platforms?
No one will die from this. There is no government mandate. This is tone-deaf and offensive for anyone who has and is currently experiencing genocide. People in my country are being rounded up and disappeared. You just can’t goon on itch anymore. Boo freaking hoo.
bouh@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Censorship is always the first step. Genocide is the last step. People getting mad when the first step toward fascism is crossed is a very good thing to fight fascism and try to prevent a future genocide. This is exactly what the poem is about : react on the first step, because it will be too late when the genocide starts.
UnpledgedCatnapTipper@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 hours ago
Yeah they can just start banning media made by and about queer people. Totally fine and won’t hurt anyone or lead to anything worse. That’s certainly not one of the first things the Nazis did…
Jankatarch@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Finally someone mentions it. It’s just straight up gross to compare. But I will say it only makes sense for people to get mad over here.
In the context of US: Gay, lesbian, or trans characters existing is enough to label a media under “porn” and states like Florida regularly ban lgbtq+ books using this loophole.
So a lot of people instinctively go on defensive when anyone bans porn.
Also full story wasn’t the business independently chosing to moderate. Another company told them to and game company had to comply.
People are mad an unrelated company out there is trying to regulate what you can’t buy with your money. It just feels weird.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Straight up wholly accurate and applicable. If you don’t understand that basic fact, maybe you need to hear it referenced a few more times…
EldenLord@lemmy.world 1 day ago
We got GoonerGate before the release of the Epstein files
PlexSheep@infosec.pub 6 hours ago
The comment section of my favorite adult Visual novel is already getting panicked.
Eternum is really really good I swear it’s not just porn
Apparently there is some petition? Taking a look now.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 9 minutes ago
Makes me wonder if Echo Project will have to worry. Echo itself doesn’t have explicit sexual content, but it does have violence with minors, kidnapping, torture, and attempted rape.
Little8Lost@lemmy.world 1 day ago
All my homies hate Collective Shout
bbsm3678@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I find it funny that a lot of the fediverse is anti-cryptocurrency, yet this is a perfect example of a problem cryptocurrency can solve. No one can stop you from transacting on a number of blockchains.
flamingos@feddit.uk 1 day ago
Too bad cryptobros are more interested in using it as a speculative investment/scam machine than an actual currency.
mad_lentil@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Yeah the wild swings in exchange value instantly preclude its use as a currency.
bbsm3678@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Yes you are right, but there are always grifters everywhere, unfortunately.
Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
In theory, crypto could be good for this, but crypto is used (and designed) more as an investment than a transaction tool.
Also, the issue here is not centralized currency under a government, it’s centralized payment processing under monopolistic private companies. Crypto is not required to solve that, all that is needed is an alternative payment processor.
FishFace@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It’s a good point, but a payment processor run by the government would also be under pressure (from voters) to wield its power to suppress marginal content.
Imagine a US-government-run payment processor right now - it would be blocking anyone that sells anything “woke” or “DEI”.
Zetta@mander.xyz 1 day ago
True, but crypto is used very successfully all the time to purchase things online. Now just because most of those transactions are for drugs doesn’t mean it doesn’t work, steam should start accepting monero, the only truly secure and private crypto currency.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 day ago
If it was used as an actual currency instead of an investment vehicle for speculators, that would help.
It also has zero protection from scams and fraud.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 1 day ago
Crypto is so heavily regulated now, I don’t even know how to procure any cause all the sites I have used years ago are just dead now.
bbsm3678@lemmy.world 1 day ago
In KYC systems it is really easy to acquire—companies are willing to sell it to you with no problems.
If you want to get it anonymously, the easiest would probably be to buy via cash. In Switzerland, you can buy via some atms
lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 1 day ago
If you are in the UK, here is one.
americanzgenozida@thelemmy.club 1 day ago
Couldn’t you just masturbate the normal way?
MITM0@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Monero
LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 day ago
I don’t get it. Do payment processors want less money? Do they hate being entrenched and bringing in money just for existing? Do they want us to try and find alternatives to them?
hperrin@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
I get not liking a game about SA and incest, but how about just not play that game?
Nikls94@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
We should go back to sending the cash per physical mail…
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Can we crowdfund a big lawsuit against those responsible for this?
LikeableLime@lemmy.world 1 day ago
How do platforms like Patreon and OnlyFans circumvent this? I know OF had issues with payment processors in the past but I’m not sure what changes they implemented to stay compliant. There must be some way for itch.io to keep these things on their platform while not pissing off the payment processors (who can go fuck themselves btw, this is completely unnecessary)
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Holy fuck why did Collective Shout go full nuclear and go behind the platforms’ back and straight to the payment processors. Like they could have at least talk to the Itch.io people.
Boiglenoight@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Are we still doing phrasing also thank god they’re not coming for the ultra violence and graphic scenes of bodily dismemberment
Zexks@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Hmmm. Could porn once again because the medium catalyst for bitcoin to take off.
Lumidaub@feddit.org 1 day ago
This is what killed tumblr.
pycorax@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
What’s stopping them from doing what DLsite did in Japan by using credits purchased off site? Seems like an alternative business opportunity there.
skisnow@lemmy.ca 23 minutes ago
One of the great mysteries of the 21st century is how a tiny number of US companies control most of the world’s payment processing, when it’s not a technically difficult problem.
You could implement an entire end-to-end payment processing system in a year with a team of a few dozen competent engineers. The only difficulty is getting banks and retailers to sign up to it, but when the big players charge so much and create so much trouble this doesn’t seem like it should be a tough sell. In most cases literally all you’d need to do is charge 2.4% instead of their 3%.