Submitted 8 months ago by Pro@reddthat.com to games@lemmy.world
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Transaction companies should not play police, in my opinion
In fact no company should play being police
This is why we have the digital market act
How are transaction offering companies not included there? Who gives them the right to choose what people consume?
Way do much centralised power
Basically a dictatorship
Fuck that
This will never go away. Payment processors make life easy for most consumers, people like them. And as long as we have them, they hold all the power around how money can be used. And they will always be limited by governments and local laws.
If you don’t like the situation, use cash. If that’s too inconvenient Bitcoin is essentially your only other option.
They have the power because states gave it to them. States can very easily take it back. But they won’t because they’re corrupted assholes.
Bitcoin, and the millions other way more efficient alternatives 😜
I mean, they have no problems offering transaction services to obvious scams like “find sex in your region” and other scammy find relationship websites.
All my homies hate Collective Shout
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melinda_Tankard_Reist?wprov…
Collective Shout. Thanks to itch.io for naming them. TIL
Damn, Rupert Murdoch and now this asshole. Australia has a monopoly on ruining media, lol.
You can thank Advance Australia for that. Huge think tank that likely bank rolls all this nonsense and more.
Also, down with Collective Shout! As someone who suffered child abuse, I condemn these cookers crusading under the guise of child protection. FFS, they were patting themselves on the back for stopping sales of plastic heads on Temu.
My favourite fact is she thinks decriminalising sex work will lead to more sex trafficing.
Such wisdom and vision, we should let these people have power over payment processors
Wow, good to learn about the conservative christian, anti-abortion, “radical feminist”.
Here’s a different comment to avoid the other stupid one. Feminist support equal rights and freedom.
Reist reviewed the controversial Netflix film Cuties (2020) for both her ABC Religion & Ethics column[20] and for the Christian newspaper Eternity.[21] She described the film as “a social critique on what happens when we allow misogynistic, violent, exhibitionist internet culture to ravage girls – training them to wield their immature bodies as currency.”[21] Reist related the film to the activism of Collective Shout: “In the past 10 years at Collective Shout, we have met many girls this age, who have felt the same pressures. Some have taken inappropriate pics and shared them, sexualising themselves either out of a sense of obligation, or because they have believed the lie that self-objectification is empowering or liberating.”[21] However, regarding certain scenes in the film, she wrote that “the complexity here is that in trying to make a serious ethical point about girls and sexuality, the girls may have been used unwittingly — but still inappropriately — to a noble end. The scene could have been filmed differently[.]”[20]
Yeah. As a society we seriously need to get on the same page about morality, but for my money it can’t come from a religious group tinkering with the beating heart of commerce. They may have points to make but it’s fruit of the poisoned tree.
This probably has a lot to do with Texas’ new ID requirement law. These companies don’t want to have to collect IDs and be responsible for maintaining that database of PII.
Payment offering companies don’t have to this, this would be the job of itch.io to comply
But this is not necessary, as VPNs exist.
not really. Collective Shout is a powerful collective that targets violence, adult content and i think also gaming in general even in contexts that make sense out of their sense what is right and wrong (which I and a lot of others dont agree with)
How do platforms like Patreon and OnlyFans circumvent this? I know OF had issues with payment processors in the past but I’m not sure what changes they implemented to stay compliant. There must be some way for itch.io to keep these things on their platform while not pissing off the payment processors (who can go fuck themselves btw, this is completely unnecessary)
I don’t think OnlyFans had to do much of anything in the end. There was just enough media stink about it to make it go away.
Credit card companies don’t have to set a consistently applied set of rules the way a government of laws does. They can make it all up for each individual site if they wish.
Porn sites are categorized as high risk at these payment processors. So probably itch has to fall into the high risk category and incur higher fees or remove all porn content. If you fall into the high risk category the payment platform will probably audit you more often and thus charge higher fees.
OF probably had these same issues because they didn’t start as a porn site.
LodeMike@lemmy.today 8 months ago
I don’t get it. Do payment processors want less money? Do they hate being entrenched and bringing in money just for existing? Do they want us to try and find alternatives to them?
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 8 months ago
They make money hand over first for doing practically nothing… They’re perfectly happy with their current situation and the most important thing to them right now is not rocking the boat.
MITM0@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It’s all about misandry
kilgore_trout@feddit.it 8 months ago
Maybe from Collective Shout, but what about Visa and Mastercard?
Exusia@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I think someone once told me its about charge backs. People will swipe the stripe, even online, to pay up for hours and hours of content (more for addicts) and then issue a chargeback, or otherwise say their card was stolen and because there is no physical product to seize, the company is left with repeatedly eating investigation costs into fraudulent porn addicts.
FishFace@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Why would a campaign group have any influence over that?
shneancy@lemmy.world 8 months ago
this bullshit is surely coming from the recently intensifying family friendlinessification of the internet, but why the fuck do payment processors care? i have no idea. are they taking a cut of advertising revenue? do all ceos just want to appear as massive prudes? do they see children as an untapped market to exploit? or maybe they’re just fucking stupid? what is actually going on
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
Capitalism is creating a level of censorship that exceeded what the US government was ever able to do. Parts of this have been there for a long time. You can drop f-bombs on cable TV all you like; the FCC can’t do anything about it since it’s not over public airwaves. They generally don’t do that, because advertisers don’t like it.
YouTube has put this idea into overdrive. You can’t make a straightforward, monetized video about the Holocaust anymore, because the language you would have to use would violate YouTube’s written and unwritten rules. Meanwhile, actual fucking Nazis have had little issue using YouTube to spread their bullshit.
Credit card companies have had issues with porn sites in terms of fraud reporting. Not necessarily because of actual fraud–if the site you use is under CCbill, it’s fine–but because some guy’s spouse sees the card transactions, asks what this particular line is for, and he lies and says it’s probably fraud and he’ll call it in. Get more than a few of those, and the processor will always be flagged for review.
They do stop some of the more fringe porn. Bree Mills (of Adulttime) has said that they get limited by the credit card industry far more than the government. All the faux-incest videos go out of their way to mention in dialog that everyone is a step family and over 18. You won’t find scat on Kink.com, again because their payment processor won’t allow it.
That’s been the situation for a few decades, but it has gone beyond that in the last few years. Tried it on OnlyFans, and the company maneuvered things to show why that’s an incredibly bad idea, and then the card companies backed down. But they’re trying again elsewhere, and they’re starting to be successful. I severely doubt they had any significant fraud issues on Steam or itch.io, NSFW items or otherwise.
Ultimately, this stuff is a tiny slice of their revenue. If they want to shut it all down on a moral crusade, they will barely notice the hit to their numbers.
On a side note, I’d like the advocate that you should pay for porn if it’s within your means. You’ll often find better quality stuff at sites that properly run their sets with consent. If you like queer porn or unconventional body types, there are a lot of sites for that which just don’t show up on PornHub.