Submitted 1 day ago by MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
This seems like wishcasting. More likely, they’re watching their own back by getting orders in writing when possible. If the noose ever starts to close, all truly incriminating official records will be destroyed just like Berlin in 1945. It will be their word against anyone else’s.
That’s a nice fantasy. Unless you have any proof of even a single one of these Nazis ever doing this once…?
Personally I can’t picture an ICE agent that is anticipating a regime change within their lifetime, but I could be wrong.
Personally I can’t picture an ICE agent that is anticipating a regime change within their lifetime, but I could be wrong.
There is a very specific reason that ICE agents and other collaborators strive to hide their identities.
They would not feel the need to do so if they believed, deep down where it counts, that they were on the right side of history, and that the regime will last indefinitely.
I don’t think they’re that introspective. Pretty sure they all think “this is so anteefuh can’t find out who I am and kidnap muh kids”. Action hero delusions
Neither did the S.S.
A paralel that I’m sure they both openly embrace, and which is also completely lost on them.
I hope the parallels follow with ICE hunters who dedicate their lives identifying all of them.
That’s cute how you all think we need to put ICE apparatchiks to trial. They’re destroying our democracy. Let god judge them. Just arrange the meeting.
Fuck god. We’ve got dibs.
Do you like due process or not? And don’t say “i like it for everyone but these people” because that’s literally what the nazis say
God isn’t real
i wouldnt call it smart, they are hiring formally felony/convicted people that are mostly unhirable anywhere else. its mostly gravy seals/ and formerly charged people.
semper fudge
When will the regime fall? Can we please just skip to the end now!
It won’t be falling via a peaceful transfer of power. Voters made sure of that. However it happens, it will be violent.
You know I’ve had this feeling for a long time. But I really have it now.
Look at everything going on, everything he’s doing. If AOC (arbitrary example, but he’ll call any Democrat a “radical marxist” through the entire campaign no matter who it is) is elected in 2028, he and his handlers will go “well, at least it will take them a long time to unfuck things.” No, there’s no way that happens.
Maybe we’ll get an honest election and maybe we’ll learn the results of it. I don’t think he leaves in Jan 2029 without a fight no matter who wins, unless it’s Vance, and maybe not even then.
And to be clear, there’s no way the Dems will run AOC. We’ll probably get someone even further right than Kamala or Biden since it seems to be Republican votes they actually want now.
I only have hope for 2028 actually resulting in Trump no longer being president if the cheeseburgers take him before then, or the 2026 midterms are not only a blue wave, but also entirely above board and free of shenanigans.
Shenanigans. This is fear mongering and will just lead to people not bothering to vote.
The regime won’t just fall. It’ll need people to make it fall, and I haven’t seen enough people stepping up to make that happen. Americans are still too passive, thinking that waving signs around one day a few weeks ago will overthrow a fascist. It’s a start, but nowhere near the end.
I honestly fear the US will be a fascist dictatorship for the rest of my life and beyond. North Korea has been a fascist dictatorship as long as I can remember
No. Some Americans still haven’t learned their lesson.
How much blood must be spilled for America to learn its lesson?
No, too late for that. Now we need to go through the part with all the violence and the living envying the dead.
Nope.
Nope.
As in nope, none of them are smart enough, or nope, they place loyalty to each other over self-interest?
As in nope thinking the regime is going to fall is just copium hopium
While I share your pessimism, I also know that some of these dudes are just scared to lose their job. I’m not saying that they are innocent just that they are in the same boat we all are with our jobs. If I got fired I’d be bankrupt in a month if not less. I’m sure there are plenty of ICE that we don’t see that are freaking the fuck out. The only ones we see in clips online are the ones that will immediately volunteer when asked if they want to go arrest some brown people.
And to reiterate, that does not make these guys innocent. They are complacent and watching this happen without lifting a finger to help. The “just following orders” crowd, if you will.
“just following orders” wasn’t a valid excuse at Nuremberg, and it won’t be a valid excuse in 2028 in the Washington Trials.
Or for a promotion right now if they find out any of their peers have any family of hired help that are immigrants. Why wait?
Or for a promotion right now if they find out any of their peers have any family of hired help that are immigrants. Why wait?
Yes. Collecting evidence such as this, such that when the regime falls, the person who earned that promotion through betrayal would not be able to escape justice easily.
You’ve provided an excellent example of who I’d collect as much data as humanly possible on.
I mean if you’re putting yourself in an ice officers shoes, I already can’t really get there in my mind.
Don’t blow their cover
Don’t blow their cover
It’s a tough call.
If enough paranoia can be generated within ICE, the more resources they’ll need to divert to internal investigations, and the less effective they’ll be while still having power.
He just said dont blow their cover…
Makes sense
I don’t see the good in C.Y.A. When The doing the damage right now. Great after all the horrors they get to snitch to try to dodge accountability, how expected of them.
Where are people getting this idea that there will ever be any type of trails for this? I’ve even seen some talking about the Hague, which is particularly laughable because the US has an invasion policy specifically regarding the Hague, predating Trump.
Where are people getting this idea that there will ever be any type of trails for this? I’ve even seen some talking about the Hague, which is particularly laughable because the US has an invasion policy specifically regarding the Hague, predating Trump.
I’d absolutely count on your attitude to be pervasive while I was collecting my cover-your-ass dirt on my co workers.
Their sense of invincibility would be vital for me throwing them under the bus.
some ice agents are better criminals than others.
Do you think their spouses, children, parents, neighbors know what they do? Do they just say “it’s classified” and pretend that they have a real job?
Do you think their spouses, children, parents, neighbors know what they do? Do they just say “it’s classified” and pretend that they have a real job?
There are no people who work for ICE with zero outsiders knowing what they do.
Some people have no friends or family.
Interesting thought but I can’t see it.
Interesting thought but I can’t see it.
You’re an average guy, unemployed, and take a position with ICE. You see with your own eyes that there is near zero good going on. You see very bad things, and recognize that there is no way for this apparatus to go away quietly, given the lengths that they’ve gone through to keep outside eyes away from their concentration camps.
You feel imminent collapse.
Do you keep working like nothing is happening, or do you start thinking about how to avoid persecution?
Presents lists, gets arrested anyways.
How do you think this will play out? They’re either going to get caught with it, or it’s useless when the regime collapses as they’ll likely be mostly dead anyways.
Presents lists, gets arrested anyways.How do you think this will play out? They’re either going to get caught with it, or it’s useless when the regime collapses as they’ll likely be mostly dead anyways. It’s useless as long as the regime remains, and keeping it is a time bomb waiting to go off, and not just for you, you’re a risking your family and friends too.
This message has been brought to you but Team Learned Helplessness.
When the regime falls, maybe do everyone a solid and stay the fuck out of the way.
No you just seem to have rose coloured glasses.
How many people do you expect to be left to charge? They are suddenly going to realize they are the bad guys and lay their weapons down? Is this your assumption?
Also, you think they are just going to ignore the person complacency? Oh it’s great you killed a bunch of people and want to finger your neighbours, why didn’t you stop them during it?
This isn’t going to turn out positive for anyone trying to collect this information, unless you’re high up. The peons are just gonna get fucked in every situation.
If i was one of the smarter ICE agents, I’d absolutely promote the helplessness you’re selling.
That way, the other agents are more likely to have their guards down while I compiled evidence.
Sauce?
The shower where OP had this thought, presumably.
Were there Nazis who did this?
Were there Nazis who did this?
No. They all stayed super duper loyal to each other when the heat was on.
They also took meticulous notes regardless (they’re German after all), which helped the Nuremberg prosecutors.
There are always individuals who put themselves first, even in completely horrible groups.
anachrohack@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
If you guys think we’re getting a truth and reconciliation hearing after this administration, then you have too much faith in the dead institutions which led to Trump’s election. The United States is over, after this. 100 years from now it will be obvious in hindsight
MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Oh, it’s never going back the way it was.
This is clearly fascism, those are clearly concentration camps, and that’s the Gestapo running around.
You don’t just walk that back.
Havoc8154@mander.xyz 13 hours ago
I mean, Germany is doing alright these days from what I understand.
Lemminary@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
If you want to go down the path of defeatism without putting up a fight, then yeah. Go fulfil your prophecy.
Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Spades are broken. Die is cast. Etc.
This country might limp along for a few decades. But the USA as we knew it is dead. Do you really think Chump is the only fascist with aspirations that big? Do you think the Heritage Foundation goes away when the One Big Beautiful Obituary finally drops? Do you think they won’t try again? Do you think MAGA won’t enthusiastically leap at the next swaggering fascist?
Our institutions are not built to withstand such direct assault. The intentional dismantling we’ve been seeing. The regulatory, legislative, legal, and economic capture that has occurred. If it isn’t a strongman it’ll be some businessman who isn’t a failure. One with big Corp backing.
The sheer momentum of the dollar and power of US financialization will keep things going. The branding will remain. But little if anything will stop our continuing decline. Saying nothing of the damage done internationally. Geopolitically. The US can never be trusted on anything ever again longer than a 4 year timetable because at any time we could elect another used car salesman or failed gameshow host who wants to be a dictator.
Jhex@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
lol putting up a fight? who is doing that? Muricans jumped from “too lazy to vote via mail” to “we need to get guns” to “when somebdy fixes this…” as if they think that would happen in their lifetime