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'Xbox Hardware Is Dead,' Says Founding Team Member, 'It Looks Like Xbox Has No Desire — Or Literally Can't — Ship Hardware Anymore' - IGN
Submitted 8 months ago by simple@piefed.social to games@lemmy.world
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devolution@lemmy.world 7 months ago
network_switch@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
I’ve watched a video of hers before. My takeaway was that Microsoft is a heavily bloated company that suffocates internal development but with the OG Xbox and early 360, they were like a side bet that didn’t have a great deal of oversight from MS Windows/Office/Server mega money eyes.
They didn’t have a great deal of internal dev studios but they were really good at identifying third party exclusives to pursue and early on managed them and the few studios they did fully acquire well. It worked well for the first Xbox and first half 360. It differentiated the Xbox/360 from Nintendo and Playstation
Then I guess success led to changes in leadership aimed at growth and using Xbox as a platform to push more MS services and they lost the focus and ability to identify and secure great third party exclusives. That coupled with not having internal game dev teams in numbers and experience like Nintendo and Sony meant if they didn’t hit with their living room smart device dominance ambition, they’d just have a worse PlayStation. That’s what they ended up with with the XOne - a worse PS4. Then it happened again with the XSX because of lack of execution with their internal studios. An XSX just became a PS5-lite library-wise
kandoh@reddthat.com 8 months ago
Yeah, they think the Internet will get so quick that people will just stream every game from the cloud from any device and they want to be the leader of that.
ShittDickk@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Then maybe they should take comcast to court over their 10 years unchanged 1.2 terabyte monthly data cap seeing as they can afford to.
BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 8 months ago
that would be cool. but id rather be able to download xbox games on my phone and play them offline
kandoh@reddthat.com 8 months ago
That will probably be a thing similar to how Netflix lets you download episodes for plane rides and such.
thatradomguy@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’m all for Asus handheld becoming the future of Windows for consumer. Have little interest now in keeping it as a personal PC. Linux is the way now thanks to them force feeding Copilot and screen grabber.
surph_ninja@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Why should they be focused on it? Xbox is now just a slimmed down Windows pc. You can play the exact same games on a pc, with access to the same storefront.
What’s the problem exactly?
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
Microsoft’s original plan was to own the living room the way they own the office space. Not just gaming, but all your movies, TV, shopping, etc. could be done through the XBox.
Kinect was a particularly big jump in that regard. There were demos of AR-type stuff where you could see yourself wearing clothes you might want to buy. You could move around and the clothes on screen would move with your body. There’s some promo videos of that, but nothing concrete ever came of it.
Now they have slagging sales for two generations, and a AAA industry that struggles to make a real hit and is laying off a lot of people. They can’t even hold onto the core gaming market much less get their tendrils into the rest of the living room. They then release a handheld that’s basically an upgrade of an existing handheld that wasn’t selling very well, but now with XBox branding.
Is this a problem for the rest of us? No, not really. There’s plenty of alternatives, and we don’t need to care. Is this the result the money people at Microsoft envisioned when they started this ~25 years ago? No, not at all.
rumba@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
For wanting to own the living room, they never tried particularly hard. PS3 was a damned successful blueray player. They just needed to give you a nice, curated experience and ease of use. There were literally people buying PS3’s because they were cheaper than blueray players at the time
surph_ninja@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The end goal of all of that is to sell software. If they can do that without supporting a massive pipeline for selling custom hardware, that makes sense.
ter_maxima@jlai.lu 8 months ago
While this is bad for the market, it’s also entirely expected.
Xbox have been producing sub-par hardware with names no one can remember and barely any exclusives, it was only a matter of time.
To other Europeans : do you know anyone who owns an Xbox ? I’ve only ever had one single friend in middle school who had a 360. I’ve never seen any other model outside of an electronics store.
Their current gen is hamstrung by the existence of the Series S, and the utter lack of features in their controllers (no gyroscope or any motion sensors ? No advanced rumble ? No touchpad ?). No one who is serious about controller gaming buys an Xbox controller, especially because of the lack of gyro.
Their dedication to digital-only and pushing the games pass also alienates anyone who wishes to play physical games and/or offline.
Krompus@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I bought an Xbox Series controller and I was shocked by how shitty it is, especially compared to the wired 360 controller I had for years. Bought a DualSense and it’s so much better in every way.
BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 8 months ago
this is surprising to me i think the series controller is the best controller ever made. well i have a starfield one its slightly smaller and has a fun texture on the back
SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I have a 360, which is the xbox 2
a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
i have it too, and i used it a lot, but most people i knew at that time went for Sony
trigonated@lemmy.world 8 months ago
To other Europeans : do you know anyone who owns an Xbox ? I’ve only ever had one single friend in middle school who had a 360. I’ve never seen any other model outside of an electronics store.
Barely, lol. Knew 1 person who had an og Xbox and 1 who had a 360. Newer than that, nope.
smeg@feddit.uk 8 months ago
[deleted]echodot@feddit.uk 8 months ago
360 was a big hit because everyone wanted to play halo. Honestly outside of that I don’t think there was any other exclusives. At least none that I can remember
Natanael@infosec.pub 8 months ago
OTOH I only have a PS5 because of Sony’s marketing budget, lol (non-slim version included with a Sony phone on contract, so technically also a way for them to clear stock, lmao)
But yeah, I don’t know any people with a recent Xbox here in Sweden. In the original Xbox era and the 360 era I think they had a big lead here, but after that I’ve seen much more Sony represented.
Croquette@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I think that xbox controller are the best controllers for PC, so I don’t need all the advanced features, but otherwise, you are right.
Their market is now clearly gamepass + Windows. Microsoft is banking on their market share to sell gamepass and capture the market.
RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world 8 months ago
What will happen to the games library? If only the ROG Xbox Ally can play Xbox Series X|S games…
sheogorath@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I think the Xbox Ally is able to play the Series’ games. It has a GPU that’s comparable to the Series S.
However, we’re gonna lose the old Xbox games (OG & One) compatibility unless Microsoft bundles an Xbox emulator into Windows.
RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I think you meant the 360 which had a PowerPC CPU and Nvidia GPU. The One and Series X|S use the same, more or less, AMD APU design as the ROG Ally.
TwinTitans@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I feel her pain. Seamus blackly and Jay Allard probably feel the same.
echodot@feddit.uk 8 months ago
Well yeah because they screwed up one of their main franchises. All they had to do was leave Budgie alone to make Halo games, but no.
CatDogL0ver@lemmy.world 8 months ago
They can just be another Sega.
Bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Bungie didnt want to make halo games anymore though
Psythik@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Well too fucking bad, cause Halo is the only thing they’re good at. They should had sucked it up and kept iterating on Halo 3. That game was peak Halo.
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Well, everyone say hello to the $1000 PlayStation 6.
What’re you going to do, buy an Xbox? Build a PC with a GPU alone that costs almost the same?
No Xbox means Somy gains a monopoly on the console market. Unless Nintendo decides to actually compete with regular hardware again, which they won’t.
Baguette@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
Steamdeck probably tbh if they don’t migrate to playstation
Budget and fits the exact needs of xbox users
Etterra@discuss.online 8 months ago
But consider… Steam Deck.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 8 months ago
We passed the point of diminishing returns for graphics years ago. There’s no point in keeping up with the latest hardware anymore.
Ulrich@feddit.org 8 months ago
PS XBOX and Nintendo are all in the same market, along with Steam, Epic, GOG, etc. The video gaming market. MS will probably still sell an “XBOX”, it just won’t be locked down to the XBOX game store anymore. This is a win for everyone.
Havoc8154@mander.xyz 8 months ago
Nah, I’ll just keep gaming on a cheap Linux PC and fuck ever buying a console again. Honestly at this point a 5 year old GPU gives you access to 99% of all games ever made, why spend so much to play 4 shitty ‘AAAA’ games a year?
middlemouse@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It sounds like your monitor sucks, if you’re wanting to play at 4k or high refresh you need to upgrade let alone if you want both of those things
echodot@feddit.uk 8 months ago
What are you talking about you can buy the PC for less than the price of a PS5 and it will be better than the PS5. The advantage of gaming consoles has always been that it’s plug and play. You just turn it on and there you go.
Sony aren’t going to create a revolutionary GPU that’s only available in the PS6. They might try and charge $1,000 for it but they will always be other options. Where do you think they get their components from? They don’t have their own fab.
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Look, I am still using a GTX 1080 Ti (GOATED GPU btw, best dollar per performance value probably ever) because GPUs are too expensive. $700 USD for a low-mid tier card, or $1000 for a card that should (and usually does) give good lasting value. I don’t see where anyone is buying a PC for less than $500 and it has better performance than a PAY, but I suppose it is possible this is a result of Price Discrimination, since I am in California.
NVidia is showing what PlayStation will look like when it feels there is actually zero competition. Xbox, so long as its hardware exists, is a constant threat to PlayStation keeping a lot of things in check. Once Xbox completely disappears, PlayStation will have no competition. Then Sony can set the prices however they want and nobody can do anything about it.
Buelldozer@lemmy.today 8 months ago
With the rise of game streaming services like Xbox Cloud Gaming and Amazon Luna I predict that the console market is basically over. I honestly don’t expect Microsoft to release another console and if Sony does it’s almost certain to be the last. Nintendo may stick with it longer since they just released the Switch2 but they seem to be prepping for it with the digital key thing.
It sucks for the players but it makes fiscal sense for the Publishers and Console Makers (Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo) if there is an industry wide pivot to game streaming where players are required to pay every month. I know that some games don’t lend themselves well to this, yet, but it’s blatantly obvious (at least to me) that this is where the industry is headed.
We’ve already reached the end of “Console Exclusive” games and I think what comes next is “Streaming Platform Exclusive” games. I think what comes after that is the Publishers establishing their own Streaming Platforms for their own games.
This is precisely what has happened with the rest of the entertainment industry and there’s no reason I can see for gaming, which is a subset of that same industry, to do anything else now that the streaming technology exists.
Steam and GOG will end up pushed out of the market or they will also become Streaming Platforms, just ones that cater to a different set of players.
pivot_root@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Steam will end up pushed out of the market
This has been explicitly attempted 3 times already, and that really didn’t work out well for anybody who tried it.
Epic Games Store still resorts to bribing people with free games to keep their monthly active user numbers up, hemorrhaging money to attract users who are rarely interested in anything more than freebies.
EA and Ubisoft tried to forgo Steam releases in favor of their own stores and launchers in an attempt to keep 100% of the revenue. They eventually relented, releasing their games on Steam again. Even Blizzard joined in, adding Diablo 4 and Overwatch 2 to Steam.
And Microsoft’s attempt to dethrone Steam by releasing games through the Windows app store just ended up with Valve funneling considerable resources into helping Linux and WINE become a viable alternative to Windows for gaming.
Unless Valve enshittifies or legal shenanigans ensue, they’re pretty unlikely to be pushed out of the market. No single game or game series is good enough to capture the entire market of Steam users and permanently drive them to alternative platforms. On top of that, Steam has a huge following of users who are loyal to the company, which is both insane and insanely hard to compete against.
or they will also become Streaming Platforms
Maybe, maybe not. I don’t see it happening, though. Valve makes money hand over fist from digital sales alone, and they have more to lose in pissing off their customers by selling subscriptions than they have to gain by selling subscriptions.
I am concerned about GOG and PC hardware prices, though.
echodot@feddit.uk 8 months ago
I can’t see streaming games being anything other than a niche market. It puts the burden onto the streamer, in order to be competitive they look after constantly be upgrading their offering, they will have to have multiple server centres around the world, they will always be beholden to crappy ISPs who just don’t upgrade their infrastructure.
With local hardware you shortcut all of that, upgrading of your hardware is done by the user so they’re not going to complain if it’s out of date, you don’t have to have any server centres, and the ISP issues either don’t matter for single player games that were massively reduced for multiplayer games, now they don’t actually have to send video over the connection. .
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Streaming has plateaued, and I don’t see anyone overcoming that plateau. The console market is coming to an end, but the transition is to PC gaming, not streaming, and we can measure that.
TwinTitans@lemmy.world 8 months ago
“Console gaming is coming to an end”
Yeah, if your XBOX.
Ulrich@feddit.org 8 months ago
I’m sure they can but I think they also see the growth in the PC gaming industry as a potential opportunity to capitalize with “XBOX OS”.
rdri@lemmy.world 8 months ago
With “optimized for gaming” premise? That’s obviously nothing more than “hey we decided to allow you to terminate resource hungry explorer/copilot/edge when you play”.
Ulrich@feddit.org 8 months ago
Correct.
teamevil@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Makes sense honestly. I am incredibly underwhelmed with my series x.
zod000@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
I just assumed they hired the same person that was previously in charge of naming Street Fighter games from Capcom. I was sure the next Xbox would be named something like Xbox X 360 Series X Alpha Championship Edition with Hyper Fighting
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Super Xbox X 360 Series X Alpha Championship Edition with Hyper Fighting EX Plus Turbo & Knuckles
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series.
ICastFist@programming.dev 8 months ago
That’d still be better than Xbox S, Xbox Series X, Xbox One S
echodot@feddit.uk 8 months ago
I literally have no idea what generation of console any of those names are from.
masterspace@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
F tier click bait. Literally nothing informative was said in here.
kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
Part of the problem might be that I literally have no idea what their current console is called? Whoever was in charge of naming the last threeish xbox consoles should be fired out of a cannon
Venicon@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Don’t know what you mean. Xbox, Xbox 360, Xbox One, Xbox One S, Xbox One X, Xbox Series S and Xbox Series X all make perfect sense and leave zero grounds for confusion at all
Arello@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
Lol, that has some pre-Switch Nintendo naming energy
yarr@feddit.nl 8 months ago
I think It’s called Xbox Series 365 Office Copilot Pro+ for .NET
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The current one is the Xbox Seriez Z4 pro classic
Cmon keep up
echodot@feddit.uk 8 months ago
Microsoft suck at naming things in general. It’s a problem across every single branch of the business, people keep calling Office 365 0365 because Microsoft insists on calling it O365 and people think that’s a zero. Also the name makes no sense anyway, why not call it Microsoft Office Online?
Then we have Microsoft Azure, except they renamed that to Entra despite the fact that both names are stupid. Then of course there is the entirety of the Windows OS lineup.
Jesus_666@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Entry isn’t Azure. Entra ID is what they renamed Azure Active Directory to. But not always; there’s also Azure Active Directory B2C (yes, that’s the fully expanded name). And various other Azure-branded things that may or may not belong together.
Microsoft are spectacularly bad at naming things.
It’s a miracle they haven’t renamed Windows 11 to “360 365” or “Live 6.5” or “Active-DOS Series X” or something.
VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 8 months ago
They had all that free marketting from people assuming the third one would be the 720 and they ditched it in favor of calling it the Xbox One, which everyone was already using for the name of the first Xbox. Still baffled by that one.
egrets@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I can’t think of a single company worse at naming products and services than Microsoft. They have an abysmal track record. Some examples off the top of my head, all of which make web searches near-impossible:
- They renamed Office 365 to just “365” (and then “365 Copilot”). The mind boggles.
- They named their light extensible code editor “Visual Studio Code”, despite the fact that they had a long-established IDE (for code) called “Visual Studio”.
- They called their application framework “the .NET framework”.
- They called the replacement framework “.NET Core”, and after a few major versions, changed to calling it “.NET”, but it’s totally distinct from the .NET framework.
- They called their ninth major desktop operating system “Windows 7”, then followed up with “Windows 8” and… “Windows 10”.
- Their web-powered replacement for Outlook is called “New Outlook”.
- They recently renamed their Remote Desktop app “Windows App”. I have no words.
blattrules@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yeah, totally agree on this. If you put the last two names in front of me and asked which was newer, I’d have no idea. The new one has multiple versions too so it makes it more confusing.
krashmo@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I mean, after the 360 they had XXXbox sitting right there and they acted like they were too good for it. Prudes.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It’s my sexbox and her name is Sony!
ieatpwns@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Waiting for xsx to go on clearance
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 8 months ago
“There is literally no reason to buy this handheld,” Fryer opined of the ROG Xbox Ally. "
You want access to games or services that are either better or only available on Windows without having to deal with the desktop Windows interface. That is literally the reason to buy it. Game Pass and popular live services can woo plenty of people over.
Gotta say, from the few times I’ve come across her channel, she seems like a shit-stirrer, and right wing rage baiters seem to love quoting her.
But what is the long-term plan?
To transition to a world where “Xbox” is the brand slapped across Microsoft’s Windows gaming endeavors and they mostly serve as a Game Pass purveyor and the largest third party publisher by market cap.
Where are the new hits?
This one is really surprising as a question, because if you could will hits into existence, everyone would do it, but for a publisher of their size, they’re doing more in recent years to create new franchises than most, even if they then lay off the team behind Hi-Fi Rush. South of Midnight came out this year; Outer Worlds 2, Avowed, and Grounded all came out of Obsidian as well as the much smaller Pentiment; and Clockwork Revolution got a sizable demo on display just this summer.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
Wait I thought stock buybacks and hollowing all our dedicated talent didn’t have consequences?
simple@piefed.social 8 months ago
"And here's the thing — maybe it will work," she added. "Xbox has a deep portfolio. [Oblivion Remastered] was obviously a huge success, and they can continue to outsource that work to external companies and make a lot of money releasing their older games — older games from an era when Xbox knew how to build them."
Shots fired. Despite Microsoft constantly claiming Xbox is here to stay and they're working on the next console, it's very clear they're trying to transition off hardware back into Windows so they don't lose that too since Linux is dominating the handheld market.
Blo0dixte4rz@hilariouschaos.com 1 month ago
I feel so silly, I had known about the smaller cloud streaming things from the console companies… But up until recently, I had no clue that they even had cloud streaming services like this Amazon Luna.steam was about as aware as I had gotten… I like the concept because it’s easy for me and my family to play together, but I really hate it because being an old-school gamer I absolutely loved that feeling when you could get go get a new game in the things that went around it with it like the merchandise, it was something that you had been able to be a part of that meant something.now it’s become such a hassle to even try to play the game. It makes us feel inferior to it.gunner the days when everybody used to come together and be like yeah I got this last night. I spent all day waiting in line for this. I pre-ordered that… Or what have you. Like I said convenience is good here for the big companies, but for a smaller fish, it just messes us up…