You're not alone: This email from Google's Gemini team is concerning

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• neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Linux has become good enough to replace desktop operating systems.

  Now, we are back at square one. I’ll be the first to inaccurately declare, “This will be the year of the Linux phone.”

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  • Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    All I need is a good enough emulation of android apps to fool them (eg for banking).

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    • A_norny_mousse@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Sailfish OS has it.

      Unfortunately the project has some closed source bits which, imho, aren’t an issue when you look closer. Maybe I’m naive but I trust this EU company.

      I use it as my daily driver. It certainly is frugal compared to recent Android versions, but fully functional.

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Can you get by with web access? That’s what I do and it’s fine.

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    • rakeshmondal@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Unfortunately banking apps are only going to get harder to run on software uncertified by Google.

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    • zqps@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      “Hello there.” - Play Integrity API

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  • Squizzy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Looking at postmarketOS for my phone too, so sick of this shit

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    • xiwi@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      PostmarketOS is cool, but as an actual phone replacement it is tough.

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  • pfr@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Behold, the Linux phone:

    liberux.net

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    • cenzorrll@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      That looks far too polished with locked in specs for them to not have any prototype. I’d trust companies that have actually made a product that has a janky Linux implementation that’s improving, than one that doesn’t exist yet relying on crowdfunding.

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  • kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Isn’t Android using a Linux kernel already?

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    • loutr@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Yes, but everything above it (including drivers) is custom-made and tightly controlled by Google.

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    • balder1991@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Yeah, but the kernel is a low-level module that handles hardware, memory, and processes—it’s not what users interact with directly, so sharing the same kernel doesn’t make it all that similar as you’d think.

      What makes Linux feel like ‘Linux’ to users is the stuff on top: the userland—bash, coreutils, package managers, X11/Wayland, etc. Android replaces almost all of that, so even though it uses the Linux kernel, it doesn’t feel like Linux.

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    • GreenMartian@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Yes. IIRC it’s based on latest LTS kernel with Google patches. So it’s been “year of the Linux phone” for a while now.

      It’s unfortunate that the slop they put on top of it is such a privacy nightmare. PostmarketOS is trying to change that and supports Plasma, Gnome, etc. But it’s early days yet and still rough around the edges from what I’ve been reading.

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  • A_norny_mousse@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    This is my fourth comment shilling SFOS here, but it just might be what you’re looking for. It is my daily driver.

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    • neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      That’s pretty cool, I’m working now, but I’m checking out its Android app compatibility.

      If it can run my work stuff, I’ll be so happy.

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    • pfr@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Wish it was supported in more countries.

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  • umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

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    • neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Android is Linux… sure.

      But it’s not what anyone means when they say they want a Linux phone.

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  • Tja@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I use Linux since debian 3.0 and I don’t think Linux is ready to replace desktop os yet. The universe has come up with bigger and more powerful idiots.

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    • JcbAzPx@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Linux had reached idiot parity with windows at least. Idiot proof OS is a fable that cannot be reached.

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  • BotsRuinedEverything@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Android… is a Linux phone…?

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    • neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Not really.

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• Sunflier@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Dear tech bros,

  We, the people, don’t want to use your AI shit. Please stop shoving it down our throats. Thank you.

  Sincerely, -The people

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  • Tiger666@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Hahahahhshahahahhahahahhahahahahahahahaha.

    Sincerely,

    Tech bros.

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  • dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Is it really the people or just a subset of people that use Lemmy, the vast majority of people seemingly don’t care as is evidenced by the sheer number of people using things like social media.

    What might be important to use in this echo chamber isn’t reflective of society on the whole.

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    • SupraMario@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      It’s mainly tech savy people who don’t use it. Tons of people in companies use this shit. The number of people who use “ai” to take auto notes in meetings is insane. It’s a massive security risk but they do it anyways thinking it won’t be stored.

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    • Tja@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      It’s mostly lemmy. In real life people go from amused to indifferent. I have never met anyone as hostile as the lemmy consensus seems to be. If a feature is useful people will use it, be it AI or not AI. Some AI features are gimmicks and they largely get ignored, unless very intrusive (in which case the intrusivity, not the AI, is the problem).

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    • MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Obligatory Lemmy is social media response

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    • Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      The majority of people eat at McDonalds. It doesn’t make it a good idea on your finances or health. Sheep gonna baa.

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    • ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I’ve been trying to tell people for 15 years. It hasn’t worked a single bit. It’s frustrating that people think they have nothing to hide when their carelessness and lack of tech knowledge is ruining the future of the next generations. I just can’t try to explain it to everyone. They don’t link the relation at all. I thought maybe eventually, they would just get it, but here we still are…

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    • nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      it’s mostly just talk

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  • baguettefish@discuss.tchncs.de [bot] ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    yes but what if a company has the ability to create billions of close friends who can recommend sponsored products to you? why would it care about whether you want that or not?

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  • Boddhisatva@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    But the AI people that the tech bros can now create outnumber real people by ♾️:1. The opinions of real people have ceased to matter even the tiny amount that they once did. So open wide and try not to gag.

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  • doodledup@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    You don’t want to use it.

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    • Sunflier@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      The companies keep preloading it on new tech, updating old tech so its there, preventing the option from disabling it from even being there, and disabling tech that can’t use it.

      This. Shit. Can. Fuck. All. The. Way. Off!

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  • criss_cross@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The problem is there’s a fair amount of tech CEOs that insist this is the future and everyone needs to hop on which between the hype train, the amount of software peeps out of a job because of layoffs and the amount of snake oils salesmen out of a job because this eats google’s lunch this bubble is just ballooning. You have a lot of people hitching on this bandwagon hoping to sell shovels to the next gold rush.

    And for awhile everything is just gonna get shittier.

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• commander@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I swear all of this was predicted to happen by open source advocates of the 80s and they’d be called alarmists/whatever and then 30 years later you had Snowden leaks and all the surveillance bills and now Microsoft, Google, and Apple are all advertisement companies mining data through the software and devices they sell

  The best people can do is just keep using and advocating for Linux adoption. Try out degoogled Android or a more traditional Linux phone device. Need more users and funding to get the software kinks worked out

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  • Typhoonigator@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I’ve been struggling with figuring out how to get google off my phone. I don’t know if I’m doing a bad job of searching or if I’m just dumb, but are there any good communities in Lemmy you can recommend on the topic?

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    • commander@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      There are levels to it. The advanced level is using a custom Android ROM for your phone that has no Google play services/apps on it and that’ll depend on what’s available for your phone from community ROM makers. You can see if any of these support your phone or plan any future phone of yours around these

      itsfoss.com/android-distributions-roms/

      An easier first step is just starting with non-Google apps. You can start with replacing Google apps like replace Maps with Organic Maps or something similar. Replace Gmail with something like Proton Mail. Same with calendar and cloud storage. Proton has alternatives. They even have an okay Google docs feature. Use a different search engine like duckduckgo rather than Google.

      F-droid as an app store. Instead of Google authenticator use Aegis. Instead of Chrome use Firefox or a fork of it.

      It’s difficult so a process over time of lessening dependency on Google applications

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  • copdeb@crazypeople.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Do you have any good material to degoogle Android??

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    • commander@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Just saw there’s a sort of large Lemmy degoogle community

      lemmy.world/c/degoogle@lemmy.ml

      Personally I think it’s a good start to just replace Google applications. Organic Maps over Google Maps. Proton Mail/Drive/VPN/Calendar over Google stuff. Firefox and forks over Chrome. Duckduckgo over Google search. After that you can maybe find an old old Google Pixel phone and then start flashing ROMs off XDA forums as practice before you try a newer more expensive phone

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• besselj@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Laughs in GrapheneOS

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  • Akip@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    but for how long x.com/GrapheneOS/status/1933177989480456365

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    • MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      X is blocked on network level here, could you please copy&paste?

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    • besselj@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Long enough for GOS to port Android 16 or get their own OEM, I hope

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  • harcesz@szmer.info ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Nervously chuckles “im in danger” while clicking through to the Graphene rom.

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  • kratoz29@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Why is this a Google Pixel only ROM? Anything special with the Google Pixel?

    I even consider Chinese phones a better hardware dela than what Google does, and I know Google software (I mainly use AOSP ROMs, Pixel OS in this case) but if we are swapping right away the ROM of the Pixel and the hardware is subpar what’s the deal with it?

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    • sic_semper_tyrannis@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Pixel phones have an extra security chip in them called the Titan. Other manufacturers lack this.

      androidauthority.com/titan-m2-google-3261547/

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    • steal_your_face@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Check out this thread. They go into detail about it.

      xcancel.com/GrapheneOS/…/1936420921931084075#m

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• BassTurd@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I’ve been Android and Windows user for pretty much all of my life. Vehemently anti Apple because of the company and I’ve thought the products are trash. I’ve been 100% Linux for over a year and a half, and if this Gemini stuff comes through, I will not have an android phone either. I have a Pixel and my old still functional Pixel. I need to try installing grapheneOS or something else and trial it to see if it will work for me.

  If Linux isn’t an option for me in the future for whatever reason, I will be purchasing a Mac. I will never have a Windows machine for the rest of my life if I have any say in the matter, work being the obvious and uncontrollable exception. The fact that I’m even entertaining the idea of owning an iPhone or a Mac is really telling about how far Android and Windows and enshitified.

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  • wpb@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The user experience of GrapheneOS is basically the same as vanilla Android, except that you have more control (you can uninstall google apps, for example), but at the cost of a small minority of apps (banking ones, for example) not working (out of the box, sometimes at all). My banking app works, and a quick google search will tell you if yours does too. If your old pixel is not too old (4 is no longer supported, 8 definitely is, not sure abt in between), you should give it a go. I think you’ll see it’s not as big of a step as you maybe currently imagine.

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    • BassTurd@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      My old one is a 6, so I think it should be supported. I really just need to bite the bullet and do it.

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    • J52@lemmy.nz ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Web search would be a better term since a lot of people use other search engines than Google.

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  • theherk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Not liking Apple for ethical reasons is one thing, but thinking they don’t make good products surprises me. I think the current generation of MacBooks are some of the best computers ever sold.

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    • BassTurd@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I should rephrase. They don’t make cheap bad products. I think iOS, Mac OS, and their walled garden approach makes their hardware a bad product. Compound that with being exorbitantly expensive for what you get, and that’s always been too much to overcome for me to support. Now they are/have becoming the less bad option.

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    • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      MacBooks are some of the best computers ever sold.

      Yeah, but that’s just one generation out of many. For me MacBooks have terrible keyboards (personal preference, I know, but I hate them), had very common issues with battery, terrible reparability and stupid features like the Touch Bar (which they finally removed proving right everyone who said it’s dumb). So yeah, new MacBooks have great performance but overall the line was not that great IMHO. Very nice design, good quality, not great usability.

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  • pxlkttn@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I’ve been using GrapheneOS for a couple months after having tested it on an older phone for a while. I’m really loving the level of control I have over what I give apps access to. If you have a spare Pixel to test on I definitely recommend it! I’ve been getting away from all Google stuff and finding free open source and self-hosted alternatives. I’m running in the opposite direction of all the AI and data-farming.

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  • FG_3479@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Gemini can be disabled. Uninstall/disable the Gemini app if your phone has it then go to Settings > Apps > Default apps > digital assistant > Google > none.

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  • Liberal_Ghost@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I’ve been GrapheneOS on my pixel7pro since march and I have no complaints. Everything works, and I have control over what apps have access too. The only thing I will say is that if you need the camera to take gr3at photos, its not nearly so good with grapheneOS. I pretty much always have a mirroless camera with me anyway so it dosent bother me. I just use the phone camera for quick snap shots

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  • HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Same, I’ve always been android and windows and heavily anti-apple

    It’s like people have completely forgotten what Apple was like before the iPhone

    I don’t know if I’ve ever really been pro-Microsoft, they had just been what gave me the freedom to get the job done. I even had a Windows CE phone back in the day, because it worked.

    When Microsoft started monetizing every little thing and became outright hostile with its users is when I made the switch to Linux, the learning curve was steep but it didn’t take very long to get a handle on it

    Early on I think I made the mistake of trying to hurry to get a windows experience out of Linux when I should have started where I started with Microsoft, at the command prompt

    I used DOS for a long time before Windows 3.1 was even on the scene. Thinking back, even when I was using Windows at first, I was always finding myself bringing up a command prompt to do things.

    Linux brings back some of that nostalgia, but it is so incredibly more capable and customizable than windows

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  • KuroiKaze@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Apple isn’t gonna have your back on this either you minds well run to foss forever if this is gonna be your Hill to die on

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  • xorollo@leminal.space ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Graphene OS is very nice and switching was really easy. Their instrucrions are great. Furthermore, I had a tablet I had an old device I switched to test before I did anything to my phone. I recently needed to switch it back, and the process was similarly just as easy.

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• rumba@piefed.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I guess my next phone is going to run NixOS.

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• some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  “We spent a lot of money on this, so you’re going to have it.”

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• TingoTenga@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Pls break Google up. Kthx

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  • Lemminary@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Why stop at Google? Break then all up!

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• phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Dammit don’t make me switch to apple phones, I hate apple. I hate Google too but FFS all you need to do is stay out of my way and the one thing you continuously do is stand in my way…

  GTFO of my way! Piss off with that AI crap that nobody asked for

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  • Griffus@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    An ungoogled android variant has to be a lot lesser of an evil, no?

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  • Evotech@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The apple who recently put AI as the core element of their os?

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  • stardust@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Apple is pushing AI even for their Mac lineup. Apple is a US company and had to be forced to allow Sideloading in select regions. Jumping to another US company seems like a lateral move.

    Moving to dumb phones or custom ROMs is the best alternative available.

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• ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Saying “You’re not alone” is supposed to be a wholesome thing to show caring. Instead, it’s AI companies squeezing as much data out of customers and injecting as much AI into everything they can.

  Society really took a wrong turn didn’t it?

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• Fedditor385@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Gemini depends on the Google app, disable it, and it dies.

  Have you noticed how the Google app, the one that supposedly just does search and list news articles, has like 400 MB? Over time it accumulated 2GB cache… how?

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• Adderbox76@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  In the absence of being able to switch to Graphene (Don’t own a pixel), I’ve done everything I can to replace Google Apps with FOSS alternatives, and disabled Google Assistant on my device entirely.

  I know none of that will stop a determined Google eventually fucking with me, but at least I’m trying.

  I’m so damned tired of the modern corporate world.

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• TheFriar@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  “Google is making it easier for Google to pry into your personal data.”

  “Water is making it easier for water to make you wet.”

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• fannymcslap@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Laughs in eu

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• Krudler@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Remember when Google+ was the future?

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• TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  IMO, when Google lost most public support, it really started downhill because the people who wanted to profit the business as much as possible became more determinant than those that were still trying to throttle the company due to ethical considerations. When a company gets criticized for everything it does, its decline increased significantly. Add to that it exists under the US government and how that has completely fallen to corruption.

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• RejZoR@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I’ve not received any mails or notifications. Though I don’t use Gemini at all. Or Google Assistant. Or any assistant.

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• HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I don’t have Gemini loaded to my phone and I have Google assistant voice command disabled

  But a few days ago I was having a conversation with my son next to me on the couch with my phone sitting on the arm of the couch.

  When I asked him a question, gemini answered with a prompt on the screen I have never seen before and haven’t since.

  It still creeps me out

  I looked up what the prompt for gemini is supposed to lol like and this looked nothing like that. It looked more like a popup dialogue box from a browser but the only browser I use is opera and it is set as default

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• EarlGrey@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Apple has been seriously underperforming on their AI strategy.

  Really makes it easy to keep using their devices.

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• mrodri89@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Well I guess I’m glad I moved over to apple. But I guess the enshitification of all our phones is coming soon.

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• LoganNineFingers@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Maybe this gives me a false sense of security but I bought the adguard pro on social stack (I think…). I just turn all of the connections off on gemini, meta and Bixby. Like this

  Image

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• turtlesareneat@discuss.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Few years ago I got a Nest Secure to go with my other Google Nest gear. One day Google emailed me to tell me Assistant was now enabled on my security system. Oh, by the way, it has an undocumented microphone!

  That’s when I realized what a privacy nightmare Google really is. I know Apple isn’t great but come on.

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• KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Just… Disable it. You can switch to the old assistant.

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• Opinionhaver@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  This headline format makes me irrationally annoyed.

  They shouldn’t be making assumptions about what the reader thinks. It almost feels like they’re planting a bias first and then presenting the facts - instead of just laying things out and letting people make up their own minds.

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• A_norny_mousse@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  What about LineageOS?

  My guess is the problematic parts here aren’t open source so they should never show up in Lineage OS?

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• shneancy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  is gemini on all androids? i remember there once was something called bixby, now when i accidentally hold the home button for too long it tells me to enable “circle”. i’ve disabled all of those “smart” features but fuck knows what is going to get automatically installed in an update next week

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• ezterry@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  At least so far Samsung is letting me disable Gemini, as I try to do to any bloatware I don’t want running in the background.

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• ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  If this happens, can we please all make a protest or petition with the FCC?

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• peteyestee@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I with we could get a Linux os.

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• RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  This has got to be a prank.

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