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epicstove@lemmy.ca 3 hours ago
muhyb@programming.dev 1 day ago
-Why there are pyramids in Egypt?
-Because Brits couldn’t moved them to British Museum.
damdy@lemm.ee 21 hours ago
To be fair. Most of the pyramids were raided far before the British took an interest and whatever they held has now been lost to time.
muhyb@programming.dev 13 hours ago
Eh, I meant the whole pyramids but fair enough.
GandalftheBlack@feddit.org 1 day ago
Imagine doing a Gate of Ishtar maneuver but with the pyramids
Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 day ago
It’s not quite the same thing (particularly because of the motivation), but, uhh…I suggest you read about Abu Simbel, if you haven’t already.
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 1 day ago
-Why there are pyramids in Egypt?
-Because Brits couldn’t moved them to British Museum.
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muhyb@programming.dev 1 day ago
Well, that’s the reason why I didn’t write it like that. I wanted it to look like a dash, just like in novels.
Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 22 hours ago
TIL what quotation dashes are.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
if you want to compare Indiana Jones to real life, the movies say flat out that he is an unscrupulous grave robber and he is completely aware of the hypocrisy. its part of his character arc, where he’s all about fortune and glory and doesnt believe in any of the mystical crap, until he is confronted with powers he didn’t understand and fights to stop others from exploiting them. and at the end of the day it was a movie
TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Gonna play a game of comment roulette. How far do I have to scroll before I see someone say something like, “That can’t be in their museum because they can’t be trusted with it”.
Spinning the chamber now.
Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 23 hours ago
on the other hand how often things go missing in the British museum?
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 20 hours ago
Eurotrash gonna eurotrash.
pugnaciousfarter@literature.cafe 19 hours ago
greenskye@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
What’s the opinion on certain high risk countries where there’s a high likelihood of the artifacts simply being destroyed? If I remember correctly ISIS and other similar organizations have burned or bombed several historical sites before.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Museums should participate in cultural exchange, if a museum feels under threat then they have channels they can trust to protect their artifacts until they can be returned
merc@sh.itjust.works 17 hours ago
if a museum feels under threat
If you run a museum in Afghanistan and are afraid that the Taliban is going to execute you unless you destroy some blasphemous statue, are you going to risk your life to send the artifact to the British Museum, or are you just going to destroy it? Yeah, some heroes will definitely risk their lives, but most won’t.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 1 day ago
The only opinion that should matter is that of the people the artifacts belong to.
“It’s safer with us” is an excuse that’s been abused by colonizers and raiders for too long.
merc@sh.itjust.works 17 hours ago
The only opinion that should matter is that of the people the artifacts belong to.
Which people? The government? So in Afghanistan it’s up to the Taliban? If you don’t trust that the government of a country represents the will of the people, then how do you determine what the people want?
And, again, which people? Is a totem pole in a museum in Canada the property of the Canadian people? Or is it something that belongs to the Haida people, and it doesn’t matter what other Canadians want? If it is up to the Haida, it is up to the Council of the Haida Nation, or is it up to the band the original artist belonged to?
What about a Tatar artifact found in Donetsk? Who gets control over that? Is it the Russians since they occupy Donetsk? The Ukrainians because they used to occupy it? Do you have to study the blood of various Ukrainian people to figure out who has the most surviving Tatar DNA?
greenskye@lemmy.zip 22 hours ago
What if some of the locals want it taken away for protection, but the government wants it destroyed?
There’s no clear ‘owner’ in many cases. I think it places where it’s uncertain, then we should prioritize saving the artifacts over the ones that seek to destroy them.
KittyCat@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
In many cases there is no owner, they’re from a completely separate culture that happened to occupy the same region in the past.
makyo@lemmy.world 1 day ago
We have to be extremely wary of people who cite that because it’s so easily used as a justification for artifact theft and can have deep roots in racism.
nexguy@lemmy.world 1 day ago
That’s the question. Where is the line between racism and artifact protection?
toast@retrolemmy.com 1 day ago
If you’re suggesting a daring heist at the Smithsonian, I’m in!
MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml 1 day ago
Much like the theft of historical artifacts by the UK et al, ISIS was the result of decades of imperialist meddling by the US. Maybe just leave things be and let the locals work out what they want to do with their land, their people, and the artifacts on it. Offering assistance without strings attached is good, interventions are bad.
It’s like offering to help your neighbor with their yard: it’s acceptable to offer to lend them your mower, but it’s not acceptable to dig up everything on their property, replace it with grass sod, and spray it regularly with herbicides because you didn’t like the look of their local fauna and are afraid the dandelions and clover would spread to your lawn after your first intervention.
greenskye@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
Who do you recognize as the authority to make that decision though? If the locals are currently ruled by a terrorist group or Nazis or whatever, do they get to decide? What about the locals that disagree with the government currently in power?
And an answer of ‘if we just didn’t needlessly meddle’ might be the ideal, but it’s ignoring the realities that we have meddled and some countries are unlikely to stop doing so. We have to accept the world we have not the one we wished we had.
m532@lemmygrad.ml 1 day ago
ISIS works for usa, so, the answer is kill all yanks
Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 23 hours ago
i need someone to convince me why it is wrong to steal from the British museum gift shop
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Will you display for free all your stolen giftshop loot for everyone to see?
Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 9 hours ago
I’ll showcase it to people I allow on my house, and say I take care of it, but what if I put then in ebay? who is going to stop me
SpaceScotsman@startrek.website 15 hours ago
Honestly, “country of origin” will have straight lines drawn on a map that are so far removed from where the people who lived there originally considered their borders even that’s probably not pinning it down well enough.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
better a museum than on a shelf in someone’s living room (no I won’t be donating it)
Agent641@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
They are my human skulls I found them fair and square
Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 22 hours ago
This is why I always donate my finished books to my local library. I don’t need them, and if I want to read it again I can always just go check it out from the library.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 23 hours ago
It should belong to the country of origin, but it could also be shared and tour around museums across the globe so an even greater number of people can check it out. They do this with art pieces. Why not cultural artifacts, too? Is not everyone entitled to learning about anything, including someone else’s culture?
odelik@lemmy.today 1 hour ago
Fun fact: Many cultural artificats do go on tour!
For example I’ve seen both Pompeii & King Tutt exhibits in San Diego that have since rotated. I’ve also seen other traveling exhibits in several other major cities I’ve lived in that were far more than art.
Many cities also have free admission days to museums for people that live nearby (depends on the institution but it could be for City/County/State).
With this knowledge, you too, can now learn and explore societies that predate written word.
Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 22 hours ago
I would assume there would be arguments around transporting them increasing the chances of it breaking. It would really only make sense to move these back to their country of origin and have them remain there to minimize potential points of failure. The rarer the artifact itself (another rusted out sword or plain clay cup versus a one of a kind manuscript whose pages have become incredibly delicate) the less their respective owners are going to want it to be moved.
Instead, we should be allowing more people the ability to travel and take time to go explore other cultures in their country of origin instead of trying to transport priceless artifacts across the globe.
vga@sopuli.xyz 18 hours ago
They’re too poor to have museums so by default yoink
troyunrau@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Countries and borders are an arbitrary concept created during the peace treaty of Westphalia.
Those relics belong to dead people.
TimewornTraveler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Attributing modern concepts of borders to Westphalia is a Eurocentric worldview. What, you don’t think they had the concept of statehood and sovereignty in Asia for at least a few thousand years prior to this?
ieGod@lemmy.zip 9 hours ago
I think I get the gist of what you’re saying but they’re very much not arbitrary. They’re a direct manifestation of a state’s ability to exert control.
troyunrau@lemmy.ca 9 hours ago
We agree entirely.
Without the ability to exert control and therefore reinforce the definition, borders are as arbitrary as any other law. They are created by people, enforced by people, and if we change our mind then they can go away. It’s not some intrinsic property of the planet.
While I’m ranting, the definition of a relic or artifact is equally arbitrary. As well as the definition of a people. And ownership. At any point in history, these definitions will be different. Right now we’ve defined it in such a way that we’ve decided that it is socially acceptable to return relics to people who live inside geographic areas where the relics originated from. This is also arbitrary.
But as long as people, decide to exert force to reinforce this definitions, there is true as any other law.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 1 day ago
ebolapie@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Hot take: all world heritage artifacts should be located in the most geopolitically stable area possible
Hotter take: un peacekeepers should protect world heritage sites with weapons-free orders
pugnaciousfarter@literature.cafe 19 hours ago
Those relics belong to dead people.
No, it belongs to a community. Does something stop belonging to a people if the original creators die? No.
That way nobody owns any land, because it belongs to the amoeba.
Returning the artifacts is meant to be a good will gesture, and a sort of a reparation (in lieu of the actual reparations) for all the horrible colonial era crimes that were propagated not more than even 100 years ago.
CybranM@feddit.nu 13 hours ago
Countries and borders are an arbitrary concept
Very Lemmy comment haha
troyunrau@lemmy.ca 10 hours ago
When I was in grad school, the philosophy of science students would egg me on with things like: “I’ll buy you a beer if you can prove the electron is real”. I’d like to think I’m carrying on their tradition in science memes.
ProvableGecko@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Countries and borders are an arbitrary concept created during the peace treaty of Westphalia.
Stealing this foolproof argument for when I apply for a UK visa to go to British Museum. Thanks!
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Marion, this is a movie made in the 1980s and set in the 1930s, what the hell are you even talking about?
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 day ago
“I liked you better when you were a child I was grooming!”
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Marion, you knew when you met me that I came from the mind of George Lucas. It’s not my fault I’m a little fucked up!
Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 23 hours ago
That attitude gets retconed in the great circle.
where he explicitly says that it belongs in a museum and helps locals get their relics to keep safe in their museums. ie, it belongs in their museums.
good game overall
moobythegoldensock@infosec.pub 1 day ago
Gotta love how the first movie opens with him stealing an idol from an uncontacted Peruvian tribe, and the heroic music swells as he narrowly escapes with spears flying around them.
Granted, this takes place in 1936 and his actions were the norm for the period, but despite coming out in 1981 the movie plays this scene out rather uncritically.
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 1 day ago
He narrowly escapes with his life after having the idol stolen from him by his rival, Belloq, who works for the Nazis and actually hired that Peruvian tribe to be his little private army. Belloq is the one who orders the Peruvians to attack Jones.
moobythegoldensock@infosec.pub 20 hours ago
Where do you get that he hired them?
The opening scene is them discussing that the tribe would kill them just for being in the area, and then Belloq taunts Jones saying he can’t warn them that he’s scamming them because Jones doesn’t speak Hovitos. No where does it say he hired them.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Temple of Doom had way more questionable scenes in it with the banquet, the heroic British soldiers at the end and… Short Round. Did they really have to name him that?
Although the cultists were based on a real group and I actually saw something that looked like the heart thing in an Indian movie, so maybe that’s based on something real as well.
pugnaciousfarter@literature.cafe 19 hours ago
I doubt it.
There are 1.4 billion people. I think there’d be a stereotype about them doing black magic if it was an ever prevalent thing.
To be fair to the movie, it isn’t trying to say all Indians worship dark gods. It’s just depicting a cult that happens to be in India.
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 23 hours ago
Yeah, but if the tribe made those traps that still work perfectly after hundreds of years, imagine how advanced they must be by now. Dr Jones was probably within miles of a hidden techno utopia and never had a clue.
Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Well I’m British so… fuuuck that!
lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Many ethnic minorities complain that their cultural heritage is exhibitioned in the capital far away. Countries are a social construct
Kuori@hexbear.net 1 day ago
doesn’t mean crackers are off the hook for centuries of theft
HowAbt2morrow@futurology.today 1 day ago
Mf’kin crackahs be trippin and shit.
pugnaciousfarter@literature.cafe 19 hours ago
So it’s better to keep it somewhere thousands of kilometres away where they’ll never be able to see it as compared to having difficulty seeing it?
lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 hours ago
I never said it’s better to keep it but it’s not enough to bring it somewhere in the country. Countries are a social construct so instead of focusing on boarders, bring it directly to the cultural heirs. Of cause keeping it is worse. If the capital is too far away, why would London be better?
BoxedFenders@hexbear.net 1 day ago
Do you REALLY think a minority ethnic group in say, Nigeria, would rather have their artifacts locked away in London under the stewardship of Anglos rather than displayed in Lagos where they can at least visit it?
lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
I didn’t say that, how do people read that into my comment? I was giving additional context that it is not enough to bring it anywhere into the country. Sure, keeping it in London is worse, I never said it’s better.
Many anti-colonial activists will point out that the modern day governments are the collaborators from back then and still they get the reparations and artifacts. Sure, keeping them in London is worse, I never defended that.
Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 1 day ago
So a museum in Western Europe or the US is better, or just as bad?
lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
It’s worse, obviously. It’s not enough to bring it into the country but it’s worse to keep it in Western Europe or the US. You could argue that once it’s in the capital it won’t travel anywhere closer to the people but when it stays in London or Berlin, it’s not moving anywhere. On the other hand, once you ship it to the country of origin, you can take the extra mile and bring it to the cultural heirs. But keeping it is the worst option.
MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 18 hours ago
Finders keepers, them’s the rules. Don’t blame me.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
wanderwisley@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Britannia Jones and the stolen museum artifacts.
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Karen Allen, the perfect example of aging naturally and radiating beauty.
Surenho@lemmy.wtf 22 hours ago
The museum could pay rent per item to the country the artifacts originate from? Bad idea?
kruhmaster@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Forgot the zoom on the bottom panels.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 1 hour ago
Why are the pyramids in egypt?
Because they were too big for the british museum.