That’s pretty impressive a couple of those and you could probably download the next Call Of Duty.
This new 40TB hard drive from Seagate is just the beginning—50TB is coming fast!
Submitted 3 weeks ago by TheImpressiveX@lemm.ee to technology@lemmy.world
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echodot@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 3 weeks ago
Incoming 1Tb videogames. Compression? Who the fuck needs compression.
FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Black ops 6 just demanded another 45 GB for an update on my PS5, when the game is already 200 GB. AAA devs are making me look more into small indie games that don’t eat the whole hard drive to spend my money on, great job folks.
AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
That is absolutely egregious. 200GB game with a 45GB update? You’d be lucky to see me installing a game that’s around 20-30GB max anymore because I consider that to be the most acceptable amount of bloat for a game anymore.
DeceasedPassenger@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I arrived at that point a few years ago. You’re in for a world of discovery. As an fps fan myself I highly recommend Ultrakill. There’s a demo so you don’t have to commit.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
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gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Ok, I’m sorry, but… HOW??? How is it possibly two hundred fucking gigabytes??? What the fuck is taking up so much space???
lud@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Did it use 45 GB extra or were there just 45 GB worth of changes?
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Clean up assets? Gamers have enough disk an time is money!
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Oh, they’ll do compression alright, they’ll ship every asset in a dozen resolutions with different lossy compression algos so they don’t need to spend dev time actually handling model and texture downscaling properly. And games will still run like crap because reasons.
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Games can’t really compress their assets much.
Stuff like textures generally use a lossless bitmap format. The compression artefacts you get with lossy formats, while unnoticable to the human eye, can cause much more visible rendering artefacts once the game engine goes to calculate how light should interact with the material.
That’s not to say devs couldn’t be more efficient, but it does explain why games don’t really compress that well.
the_q@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Optimizations are relics of the past!
SynonymousStoat@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I don’t know about that. These are spinning disks so they aren’t exactly going to be fast when compared to solid state drives. Then again, I wouldn’t exactly put it past some of the AAA game devs out there.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
Yeah, I’d expect the bloat to hit when there is a boost in SSD sizes. Right now I think the biggest consumer-grade SSDs are 8TB and are still rather expensive.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
10 of these in a raid6?that’s 4x speed and 400tb.
alaphic@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Why in the world does this seem to use an inaccurate depiction of the Xbox Series X expansion card for its thumbnail?
No_Eponym@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
This picture: brought to you by some bullshit AI
LodeMike@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
CAN WE PLEASE JUST GET 3.5" SSDS. PLEASE
uniquethrowagay@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Best I can do is a 3.5’’ inch SATA to USB adapter case with one of these tiny SSDs glued in
HiTekRedNek@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Don’t forget to include the hacked controller software that reports the drive size as triple what it actually is.
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Aren’t a lot of the 2.5" ones already empty space?
How big, and how expensive, would a 3.5" SSD be, if it actually filled enough of the space with NAND chips for the form factor to be warranted?
xthexder@l.sw0.com 3 weeks ago
Well, Kioxia sells a 30TB 2.5in SSD right now for about $5k. I’m sure they could make a 60+TB SSD by just stacking 2 of them in a 3.5in case.
billwashere@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I know right. Why is this not a thing already? I mean I understand the various U.2, U.3, and EDSFF are great for high density data center installs. We have a 1U box in production that could be as high as 1 PB given current densities with E1.L drives but that’s enterprise level stuff. I just want a huge 3.5 SSD I could put in these pro-consumer level NAS boxes or maybe even one I could build myself for my home lab.
LodeMike@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Thru exist but they’re all several hundred dollars and 480 GB for some reason.
GaMEChld@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Yeah, why aren’t there any?
DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
There are: nimbusdata.com/products/exadrive/specifications/
They are just not listed in shops for poor people. (joking)
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I just addressed that in a post above yours.
Basically smaller form factors are probably just better in this case. 3.5" drive bays were designed with more complicated mechanical drives in mind, and given how nand flash memory works, they don’t make as much sense for SSDs.
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Well, that’s certainly possible, but 2.5" might just be a better form factor for SSDs. The thing is, an SSD is just a bunch of chips on a PCB, so they really don’t need the extra height afforded to them by a 3.5" bay.
You could probably fit 2 pcbs one on top of the other within a 3.5" drive, but that would also be more complicated to manufacture and worse for cooling than using two individual 3.5" or m.2 cards.
Also, for a bunch of reasons smaller is usually better. Generally, it tends to be cheaper to use a few large capacity chips on a small board than it is to use a lot of lower capacity chips on a larger board. Of course fewer parts also means fewer potential points of failure, so better for quality control. And again, smaller cards are better for case airflow and cooling.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 3 weeks ago
And they’d only be like $5k each. HDD prices have gone ridiculous. I’d just like 20TB drives to be reasonably priced. 10TB drives are twice the price they were 5 years ago.
zod000@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
I know people love to dunk on Seagate drives, but it was really just the one gen that was the cause of that bad rep. Before that the most hated drives were the “deathstars” (Deskstars). I have a 1TB Seagate drive that is 10 years old and still in use daily. Just do some research on which drive to buy, no OEM is sacrosanct. I’d personally wait 6 months to a year before buying one of these drives though, so enough people have time to find out if this generation is trouble or not.
MehBlah@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Many people can’t accept that one drive model isn’t going to kill a company or make everything from them bad.
The exception being the palladium drive. Although its not directly attributed to the fall of JTS, who at the time owned Atari. Its was clear from the frontline techs these things were absolute shit. The irony is that 1 out say 10,000 was perfect. So much so I still have one of the 1.2 gig’s that still spins up and reads and writes fine. Its nearly a unicorn though.
digilec@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I had one of these, it worked perfectly for years. I might even still have it. I remember it being a significant leap in size and cost per MB.
MangioneDontMiss@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
i dunno man, i have about 20 years worth of bad experiences with seagate. none of their drives have ever been reliable for me. WD drives have always been rock solid and overall just better drives in my experience.
BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
Seagate have never once secretly changed the underlying disk technology on a NAS grade drive to one utterly unsuited for use in a NAS drive and then sold it as a NAS grade drive at a premium price because it’s a NAS grade drive. So there’s that.
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
I have killed every single type of magnetic platter drive from every brand they are all bad
zod000@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
The only drives I have ever had die on me were actually both WD, but it’s all anecdotal, and I’ve had tons of WD drives that were great (my favorites were the raptors and velociratpers). I’ve owned way too many HDDs over the many years, and I can say that I haven’t had issues with any, but again I do my research and only order from what I believe to be good runs of drives. In case you have never done so, take a look at the reports that Backblaze puts out on their drive reliability. I found it pretty eye opening. Before Backblaze start sharing their data, there used to be a site that crowd sourced HDD lifetimes and failure causes that I used to use when buying drives and I always entered my drive data there. I can’t recall the name of it now nor do I know if it still exists, but you could definitely spot the “bad” gens on there and WD and Seagate were both pretty even as far as I recall. I remember Hitachi being statistically worse, but it made sense as they bought IBM’s derided Deskstar business from them. Ironically, WD ended up buying Hitachi’s HDD business years later, but I think it was considered OK by then.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
It’s all anecdotal for the most part. I’ve had two DOA WD drives in a row before, but no dead seagates.
As a side note, I hope you have those two WDs backed up, they’re overdue for a death.
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
There are loads of people who think a company is bad because of one product, one service etc. A friend of mine hates Seagate, but he bought 10 drives of the same model. Pretty sure he even bought some after the first one failed … or people (like me) put desktop drives in a NAS or service with other drives. While mine are still good I expect them to fail any time since well they are not desinged for the use case I am using them for.
nthavoc@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
If you aren’t running a home server with tons of storage, this product is not for you. If the price is right, 40TB to 50TB is a great upgrade path for massive storage capacity without having to either buy a whole new backplane to support more drives or build an entirely new server. I see a lot of comments comparing 4TB SSDS to 40TB HDD’s so had to chime in. Yes, they make massive SSD storage arrays too, but a lot of us don’t have those really deep pockets.
thermal_shock@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Thank you! I lol’d at the guy with one in his main PC lol. Like why?
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
I expect many are not upgrading every small incremental improvement too. It’s the 20TB HDDs that are ready to replace.
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
I’d buy two and only turn the other on for a once a month backup. For one lone pirate just running two drives, it would be endgame basically. You’re good.
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 3 weeks ago
I’m still waiting for prices to fall below 10 € per TB. Lost a 4 TB drive prematurely in the 2010s. I thought I could just wait a bit until 8 TB drives cost the same. You know, the same kind of price drops HDDs have always had about every 2 years or so. Then a flood or an earthquake or both happened and destroyed some factories and prices shot up and never recovered.
HowAbt2morrow@futurology.today 3 weeks ago
I’ll finally have enough space for my meme screenshots.
Flemmy@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Or the 8k photos of vacation dinners.
FourWaveforms@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Oh wow does it come with glowing green computery looking stuff like in the picture
echodot@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
I do like that the picture on an article about a 40 TB drive is overdrive clearly labelled as 1 TB. Like couldn’t they have edited the image?
FourWaveforms@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
I’ve been buying computer stuff for like 30 years and never once has any of it had any weird glowing stuff like on the box
Snoopey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
The image is literally just the proprietary xbox drive plugged into an xbox
FourWaveforms@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
I had an Xbox and it didn’t do that either!!!
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Imagine how long it’ll take to rebuild your raid array after one fails lol
MangioneDontMiss@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
underrated comment. i’d much rather clone a 15 tb drive than 50 tb one. Also better speeds considering the use of more drives. That said, if I can save on electricity, noise, enclosure space, and very importantly, money, it could be pretty cool.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I mean personally, for long term data hoarding, I dislike running anything below raidz2, and imo anything less than 5 disks in that setup is just silly and inefficient in terms of cost/benefit. So I currently have 5x16TB in raidz2. The 60% capacity efficiency kinda blows, but also I didn’t want to spend any more on rust than I did at the time, and the array is still working great, so whatever.
UltraBlack@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Wow great. From seagate. The company that produces drives with the by far lowest life expectancy compared to the competiton
crozilla@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
And IIRC moved their headquarters to some Caribbean island to avoid paying US corporate taxes.
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 3 weeks ago
They’re called Seagate, not Landgate.
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
Pretty sure they are fiscally located in Ireland like a lot of big companies for tax reason and for EU VAT reasons.
elbarto777@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Is this true? I remember them being very reliable in the past.
ernest314@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
I think people say this because there was one specific 6TB model that does really poorly in BackBlaze reports, combined with a generally poor understanding of statistics (“I bought a Seagate and it failed but I’ve never had a WD fail”).
I will also point out that BackBlaze themselves consistently say that Seagate and WD are pretty much the same (apart from the one model), in those exact same reports
Pnut@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
If EA or Ubisoft don’t get their shit together this won’t be enough.
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Imagine losing a 50tb drive because you choose to use Seagate.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Seagate Exos is usually ok.
MangioneDontMiss@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
exos are fine if you don’t mind them being loud as hell.
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
i can finally seed every spn season
Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
i remember bragging when my computer had 40gb storage
tal@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
I remember switching away from floppies to a–much faster, enormous—80MB hard drive. Never did come close to filling that thing.
Today, my CPU has more cache than that hard drive.
hark@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
No thanks. I’d rather have 4TB SSDs that cost $100. We were getting close to that in 2023, but then the memory manufacturers decided to collude and jacked up prices.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
I thought prices seemed to be taking a while come down on 4TB SSDs as I had been looking at them for a while.
Don’t really want it enough to spend £200 though. Would be to replace a 1+2TB HDD LVM. Now that I think about it, I have never copied a few TBs of data in one go.
zod000@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
I just recently replaced a bunch of 1TB and 2TB drives with an 4TB SSD and 8TB HDD pretty cheaply back in December. I was trying to get those in before tariff shenanigans. Technically, those old drives are still in use, just for redundancy now. Even the scary old Seagate drives!
zod000@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
To be fair, I believe the increased pricing then was mostly due to sales, and thus production, tanking post COVID along with the big inflation for a couple of years. There was almost certainly greed from the most prominent memory makers tackedo n though.
hark@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Memory manufacturers purposely cut production to help justify cost increases: tomshardware.com/…/memory-prices-rebound-due-to-r…
But yeah, they’ll also take advantage of demand (real or imaginary) to jack up prices: tomshardware.com/…/micron-confirms-memory-price-h…
SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
If 50TB is coming fast, then so am I
thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 3 weeks ago
I deal with large data chunks and 40TB drives are an interesting idea… until you consider one failing
raids and arrays for these large data sets still makes more sense then all the eggs in smaller baskets
remon@ani.social 3 weeks ago
You’d still put the 40TB drives in a raid? It certainly will save you NAS bays.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
They’re also ignoring how many times this conversation has been had…
We never stopped raid at any other increase in drive density, there’s no reason to pick this as the time to stop.
grue@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The main issue I see is that the gulf between capacity and transfer speed is now so vast with mechanical drives that restoring the array after drive failure and replacement is unreasonably long. I feel like you’d need at least two parity drives, not just one, because letting the array be in a degraded state for multiple days while waiting for the data to finish copying back over would be an unacceptable risk.
floofloof@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
I guess the idea is you’d still do that, but have more data in each array. It does raise the risk of losing a lot of data, but that can be mitigated by sensible RAID design and backups. And then you save power for the same amount of storage.
Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
These are literally only sold by the rack to data centers.
What are you going on about?
Stern@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
thats a lot of
pornhigh quality videosmelsaskca@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Hey! You! Get offa the Cloud (and grab yourself one of those drives). You can keep your thoughts to yourself, now you can keep your data to yourself, like in the recent old times.
Zacryon@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Ah yes. Seagate. The trash storage device company. If you want to burn your money, just throw it into a fire before buying this e-waste.
Can not recommend.
Gonzako@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I can’t wait to upgrade my NAS to a 200Tb Setup
altphoto@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
You thought 50TB was it? LOL! Hold on to your butts because 53.713TB SSDs are coming! These will cost you all your vital organs at 35years of age. Brains included.
ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Great, can’t wait for it to be affordable in 2050.
goodboyjojo@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
cool 50tb. i can now download more stuff.
Sunflier@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Can’t wait to see how these 40 TB hard drives, a wonderment of technology, will be used to further shove AI down my throat.
OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I can’t wait to lose even more data when this thing bricks
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
cool. now I can lose even more data when it dies.
no thanks…
DemandtheOxfordComma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
So all the other hard drives will be cheaper now, right? Right?
toastmeister@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
A 2tb SSD can now be bought for 100$.
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
This is good to know. I might need to upgrade the storage for my Monero node.