Submitted 2 months ago by dwazou@lemm.ee to technology@lemmy.world
Nazi platform.
Make sure to stop clicking on Nazi links when people post them. No matter how bad you want to see someone “prank” someone or cry about their perceived persecution.
We need to stop making a Nazi platform important enough that it hurts democratic politicians when they lose access because of the Nazi in charge of said platform.
As a serious answer, Musk is into modern variants of eugenics and some scary techno-authoritarian stuff he shares with Peter Theil and other Silicon Valley royalty.
Maybe he’s a techno-neonazi? That’s just semantics.
His alleged Nazi salute is indeed kind of a red herring. But “Nazi” is an reasonable enough descriptor for his beliefs.
If you perform a Nazi salute, you’re a Nazi.
Musk performed TWO Nazi salutes on national television during a presidential inauguration.
Musk owns X.
Anymore questions? Do I need to illustrate with crayons?
Some people wouldn’t know a Nazi if he was sending people to camps without trial, trying to outlaw the political opposition, fomenting a cult of personality, launching coups, oppressing the most vulnerable people, ratcheting up racist attacks, and threatening to attack Denmark.
I think it has lost meaning.
It has. Completely. Basically what it means today is “people who disagree with me” and should be regarded as such. Unfortunately the actual nazis will fly under the radar now.
The word ‘nazi’ has 100% lost its meaning.
Might as well just be saying “I don’t like this person or group of people because they disagree with me.”
X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.
X are also challenging the legal order in court: x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1920426409358455081
You’ve called the good guys here the nazis and let the actual authoritarians off the hook scott-free.
You’ve called the good guys here the nazis and let the actual authoritarians off the hook scott-free.
Only if you ignore that Twitter is owned by a nazi, and that the person above didn’t say anything about letting, the authoritarian regime in turkey off the hook.
I know they would comply just as well, as I stated in another comment, because they are a private platform, but actually in this case the presence on Bluesky of the Imamoglu account in perfect condition with 129K followers proves that something else must be the case here.
Also, X didn’t give a shit about complying in Brazil.
Nah, Nazi platform does nazi stuff, it’s that simple.
You can come down the mirror now.
Ekrem is Kemalist, which is very similar to a literal Nazi, but in the current world I’ll even agree he’s kinda better than many other variants.
You might find this interesting, because Erdogan is also a Kemalist (at least some variation of it).
Ah yes, the guy who had no ill will towards anybody, tried to unify people to the best of his ability, and provided cheaper food for the poor… is a Nazi!
Holy shit, the amount of stupidity to come up with such a take!
ABC is a nazi platform now?
No one on X should expect anything better
If they’re still on Xitter it means they approve of this
People on X expected what is actually happening, not what people in here think is happening (and hope it is).
This is what most people on X expect, which is to fight for free speech on X.
Anyone still on Xitter is part of the problem.
Delete it.
Seems like a good opportunity to frame Musk and Erdogan as allies.
You’re saying it’s not related to musk’s political views?
No. How did you reach that conclusion?
X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.
No, it’s not. It’s related to the legal takedown request that they were given.
But Elon has no clue why everyone thinks he’s a nazi
The speech free platform continues to remove speech.
You can speak freely about whatever suits elon :-)
You said it, it’s not a free speech platform, it’s a speech free platform.
X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.
Has Musk ever met a dictator he doesn’t like?
I think elon called Lula a dictator…and called the UK a dictatorship. That makes it even more obvious what he’s doing.
He also said Canada is ‘not a real country’ so…
X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.
x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1920426409358455081
X complied with a legal order, and are challenging it in court just like they do every other time a government orders something like this to be done.
Put the pitchfork away.
Just do like I do. I blocked x.com quite a while back now. Along with several other trash sites like it.
I used to use it to find out information on local emergencies and stuff but now you have to log in and they don’t allow search or whatever so I never use it… I have a few accounts there but haven’t used them since at least x if not before I should probably mass delete my accounts there next time something happens
Just a friendly gesture among right-wing autocrats.
Xitler.
There needs to be some sort of unblockable self-hosted broadcast system where users can spin up their own cloud hosted instance by entering a username and password and choosing one of hundreds of providers for a small fee, or self hosted instance as quickly and easily as installing a single app on an android phone. These with act just like websites, but with a common protocol and API so they can communicate with each other and with clients with no specific add-on. Then, Turkey or whoever could block Turkish ISPs from fulfilling that request, but anyone else could still access the instance in their client as long as their own instance doesn’t block it.
Hostable on a phone, a windows PC, Linux PC, self-hosted VM, cloud rented VM, whatever. And easily portable from one place to another.
Sure, uptime and reliability would suffer, EG when PC is turned off, but that’s acceptable to gain resilience against ISP, central services like google and Facebook and twitter, and government interference.
I have designed a system to do this, using very reliable existing protocols and programming frameworks, I just don’t have the time or money to invest to make it happen.
Hah, I designed one as well!
I think the flow of information has to be fundamentally different.
In mine, people only receive data directly from people they know and trust in real life. This makes scaling easy, and makes it impossible for centralized entities to broadcast propaganda to everyone at once.
I described it at freetheinter.net if you’re interested
Is it called the fediverse?
I have discovered the Gemini protocol yesterday.
Hosting what they call a capsule would be easy and extremely lightweight and I could surf from an index using an app called Lagrange, available on F-Droid.
Can you explain how your system differs?
You’ve pretty much just described ActivityPub and the Fediverse.
Anyone can spin up their own instance. You can self host on a machine in your house, or with any cloud provider. You can broadcast messages in Twitter-style or Reddit-style format. Anyone can navigate to your web address and see your messages. Anyone who federates with you can see it on their website. FOSS Android apps are available.
You can’t force anyone to actually read your messages of course, but that’s a different matter.
What content broke the laws? Can you give more info? BlueSky has been pretty good so far so this surprises me
I left a precedent in another top-level comment (a screenshot). Also, broke the laws is not my standard in these cases.
I thought they didn’t block political figures… Guess the muskrat just meant the figures he agrees with…
They comply with local laws and legal orders, like the one that forced them to do this:
X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.
Reason # 3,487 to get off/stop paying attention to X, the ‘everything app’.
He should go to Bluesky and get blocked there as well.
I was gonna say. Dude better go to the actual fediverse if he wants a reliable platform that wont be instantly taken down again.
Why would he get blocked there?
You can check here >> programming.dev/post/28713862
Bluesk
bluesky will block too.
He would get blocked there because BlueSky will comply with legal requests as well, because if they don’t they will face criminal charges and/or massive fines. BlueSky, being a platform that loves censorship, would not challenge the legal order in court like X are either.
Free-speech absolutists gonna free-speech.
One more reason to not put all of your social media eggs in the same basket.
Well, that’s one way to get off the Nazi platform.
Memba when Elon Fuck said it would be a town square where everyone can speak out?
Only people that Stinky agrees with.
Elon following Turkish censorship
A little context might have been nice, but then the musk hate and conspiracy theories would be harder to justify:
X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.
Yeah, he has to, but he will bitch for a month if this happens for even more legitimate reasons in any country that is a functioning democracy e.g. UK, Brazil, Biden US, Germany, South Africa…
X is challenging the legal order in court btw:
x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1920426409358455081
Just like they have done and are doing in basically every country that makes legal demands like this.
Complying with the incumbent to silence opposition is a political decision.
Complying with the incumbent to silence opposition is a political decision.
No it’s not. Did you even read the linked X Global Affairs post?
Lack of compliance with these orders can lead to severe sanctions, including throttling of the entire platform in Türkiye. X complied with the court order while we challenge the order in court because we believe keeping the platform accessible in Türkiye is vital to supporting freedom of expression and access to information, particularly following natural disasters and other emergencies.
It’s not a political decision, it’s a legal one. If they don’t comply then the entire site can legally be banned from the entire country, for example.
The context is in the article in the OP. It doesn’t really matter. Elon is notoriously apathetic about the law. He could choose not to comply as he does so very often and realistically face very little in the way of repercussions. But that’s how little he actually cares about free speech.
The context is extremely important in this one. It changes the sentiment from “Musk is censoring the political opposition because he supports the government” to “Musk complied with the legal demands so as to not have to remove X from the entire country of Turkey, and is fighting the demands in court as he says they are censorship”.
X is now notoriously law abiding, but also notorious for fighting against government ordered censorship in court. They comply with legal orders so as to not face legal trouble, and then file legal challenges - even going so far as to pay for and help with legal challenges for individuals who the government are censoring.
I saw the headline and for a split second got excited for X-Com news. Instead, I got xitter.
Honestly whomever owns the ip these days should do something about it. Also glad to see I’m not the only one hired wired for the game franchise
Jake Solomon left Firaxis in 2023. Don’t know if there is anything in the pipeline over there.
(And if there is anything, please let i be Apocalypse 2.0)
He needs a Blu Sky account ASAP
BlueSky would ban his account as well. It was banned in Turkey because of a legal request by the Turkish government. If they don’t comply there are huge legal consequences.
No, he needs a Mastodon account ASAP.
BlueSky has the exact same issue as Twitter, corporate control.
he has blocked before at the request of erdogan multiple times.
He was prisoned on corruption charges before, which were just government funds being moved
panathea@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Free speech absolutism at work
WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Fascist speech absolutism at work
madjo@feddit.nl 2 months ago
To Der Elon that’s the same thing.
danc4498@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It’s frustrating that we knew he was full of shit when he was saying it. And now the evidence is showing it is bullshit. And it’s like it doesn’t even matter.
Merva@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
They know they can do that sort of shit because they hold the power. They can blatantly and unconvincingly lie, their followers will regurgitate those lies, but neither of them really believe them. They are just posturing and having fun with words, just like fascists always have done.
Ulrich@feddit.org 2 months ago
We knew it was bullshit about 3 days after he took over when he banned literally the 1 person he specifically said he was not going to ban.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 2 months ago
x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1920426409358455081
“full of shit” = “standing up for free speech against governments that are trying to censor political opponents” ?
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 2 months ago
Do you know how legal requests work?