But Elon has no clue why everyone thinks he’s a nazi
X.com blocks access to Ekrem Imamoglu, leader of Turkish opposition
Submitted 1 day ago by dwazou@lemm.ee to technology@lemmy.world
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RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Nazi platform.
Make sure to stop clicking on Nazi links when people post them. No matter how bad you want to see someone “prank” someone or cry about their perceived persecution.
We need to stop making a Nazi platform important enough that it hurts democratic politicians when they lose access because of the Nazi in charge of said platform.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
and if you absolutely must see something on twitter, use xcancel instead.
its a frontend for the same content, that doesn’t add views or ad revenue to twitter.
Cyberjin@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I hear often Nazi this Nazi that? I think it has lost meaning. Can you explain what Nazi is? Vs Nazi from like WW2?
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 day ago
As a serious answer, Musk is into modern variants of eugenics and some scary techno-authoritarian stuff he shares with Peter Theil and other Silicon Valley royalty.
Maybe he’s a techno-neonazi? That’s just semantics.
His alleged Nazi salute is indeed kind of a red herring. But “Nazi” is an reasonable enough descriptor for his beliefs.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 1 day ago
If you perform a Nazi salute, you’re a Nazi.
Musk performed TWO Nazi salutes on national television during a presidential inauguration.
Musk owns X.
Anymore questions? Do I need to illustrate with crayons?
dudinax@programming.dev 1 day ago
Some people wouldn’t know a Nazi if he was sending people to camps without trial, trying to outlaw the political opposition, fomenting a cult of personality, launching coups, oppressing the most vulnerable people, ratcheting up racist attacks, and threatening to attack Denmark.
Ulrich@feddit.org 14 hours ago
I think it has lost meaning.
It has. Completely. Basically what it means today is “people who disagree with me” and should be regarded as such. Unfortunately the actual nazis will fly under the radar now.
gradual@lemmings.world 1 day ago
The word ‘nazi’ has 100% lost its meaning.
Might as well just be saying “I don’t like this person or group of people because they disagree with me.”
Ulrich@feddit.org 14 hours ago
ABC is a nazi platform now?
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 day ago
X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.
X are also challenging the legal order in court: x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1920426409358455081
You’ve called the good guys here the nazis and let the actual authoritarians off the hook scott-free.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 day ago
You’ve called the good guys here the nazis and let the actual authoritarians off the hook scott-free.
Only if you ignore that Twitter is owned by a nazi, and that the person above didn’t say anything about letting, the authoritarian regime in turkey off the hook.
biofaust@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
I know they would comply just as well, as I stated in another comment, because they are a private platform, but actually in this case the presence on Bluesky of the Imamoglu account in perfect condition with 129K followers proves that something else must be the case here.
Also, X didn’t give a shit about complying in Brazil.
Nah, Nazi platform does nazi stuff, it’s that simple.
You can come down the mirror now.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Ekrem is Kemalist, which is very similar to a literal Nazi, but in the current world I’ll even agree he’s kinda better than many other variants.
muhyb@programming.dev 1 day ago
You might find this interesting, because Erdogan is also a Kemalist (at least some variation of it).
LupertEverett@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Ah yes, the guy who had no ill will towards anybody, tried to unify people to the best of his ability, and provided cheaper food for the poor… is a Nazi!
Holy shit, the amount of stupidity to come up with such a take!
towelie@lemm.ee 15 hours ago
Reason # 3,487 to get off/stop paying attention to X, the ‘everything app’.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Anyone still on Xitter is part of the problem.
Delete it.
Treczoks@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Just a friendly gesture among right-wing autocrats.
nadram@lemmy.world 1 day ago
No one on X should expect anything better
Damage@feddit.it 1 day ago
If they’re still on Xitter it means they approve of this
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 day ago
People on X expected what is actually happening, not what people in here think is happening (and hope it is).
- The Turkish government ordered a legal request to ban the opposition leaders account in Turkey.
- X complied with the legal request, as there are huge penalties for not complying
- X immediately started the process to challenge the legal request in court
This is what most people on X expect, which is to fight for free speech on X.
biofaust@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
What content broke the laws? Can you give more info? BlueSky has been pretty good so far so this surprises me
Agent641@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
There needs to be some sort of unblockable self-hosted broadcast system where users can spin up their own cloud hosted instance by entering a username and password and choosing one of hundreds of providers for a small fee, or self hosted instance as quickly and easily as installing a single app on an android phone. These with act just like websites, but with a common protocol and API so they can communicate with each other and with clients with no specific add-on. Then, Turkey or whoever could block Turkish ISPs from fulfilling that request, but anyone else could still access the instance in their client as long as their own instance doesn’t block it.
Hostable on a phone, a windows PC, Linux PC, self-hosted VM, cloud rented VM, whatever. And easily portable from one place to another.
Sure, uptime and reliability would suffer, EG when PC is turned off, but that’s acceptable to gain resilience against ISP, central services like google and Facebook and twitter, and government interference.
I have designed a system to do this, using very reliable existing protocols and programming frameworks, I just don’t have the time or money to invest to make it happen.
helopigs@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Hah, I designed one as well!
I think the flow of information has to be fundamentally different.
In mine, people only receive data directly from people they know and trust in real life. This makes scaling easy, and makes it impossible for centralized entities to broadcast propaganda to everyone at once.
I described it at freetheinter.net if you’re interested
biofaust@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
I have discovered the Gemini protocol yesterday.
Hosting what they call a capsule would be easy and extremely lightweight and I could surf from an index using an app called Lagrange, available on F-Droid.
Can you explain how your system differs?
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 21 hours ago
Free-speech absolutists gonna free-speech.
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Well, that’s one way to get off the Nazi platform.
MehBlah@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Just do like I do. I blocked x.com quite a while back now. Along with several other trash sites like it.
DancingBear@midwest.social 1 day ago
I used to use it to find out information on local emergencies and stuff but now you have to log in and they don’t allow search or whatever so I never use it… I have a few accounts there but haven’t used them since at least x if not before I should probably mass delete my accounts there next time something happens
ceenote@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Seems like a good opportunity to frame Musk and Erdogan as allies.
huppakee@lemm.ee 1 day ago
You’re saying it’s not related to musk’s political views?
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 day ago
X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.
No, it’s not. It’s related to the legal takedown request that they were given.
futatorius@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Has Musk ever met a dictator he doesn’t like?
Gsus4@mander.xyz 1 day ago
I think elon called Lula a dictator…and called the UK a dictatorship. That makes it even more obvious what he’s doing.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 day ago
He also said Canada is ‘not a real country’ so…
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 day ago
X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.
x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1920426409358455081
X complied with a legal order, and are challenging it in court just like they do every other time a government orders something like this to be done.
Put the pitchfork away.
9point6@lemmy.world 1 day ago
The speech free platform continues to remove speech.
johannes@lemmy.jhjacobs.nl 1 day ago
You can speak freely about whatever suits elon :-)
fushuan@lemm.ee 1 day ago
You said it, it’s not a free speech platform, it’s a speech free platform.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 day ago
X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.
krigo666@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Xitler.
EON_GuG@lemm.ee 22 hours ago
Elon following Turkish censorship
laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
I thought they didn’t block political figures… Guess the muskrat just meant the figures he agrees with…
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 day ago
They comply with local laws and legal orders, like the one that forced them to do this:
X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.
muhyb@programming.dev 1 day ago
He should go to Bluesky and get blocked there as well.
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
I was gonna say. Dude better go to the actual fediverse if he wants a reliable platform that wont be instantly taken down again.
huppakee@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Why would he get blocked there?
muhyb@programming.dev 1 day ago
You can check here >> programming.dev/post/28713862
Ledericas@lemm.ee 21 hours ago
Bluesk
bluesky will block too.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 day ago
He would get blocked there because BlueSky will comply with legal requests as well, because if they don’t they will face criminal charges and/or massive fines. BlueSky, being a platform that loves censorship, would not challenge the legal order in court like X are either.
mp3@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
One more reason to not put all of your social media eggs in the same basket.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 day ago
A little context might have been nice, but then the musk hate and conspiracy theories would be harder to justify:
X restricted Imamoglu’s account in Turkey complying with a legal request by Turkish authorities who cited national security and public order concerns.
Gsus4@mander.xyz 1 day ago
Yeah, he has to, but he will bitch for a month if this happens for even more legitimate reasons in any country that is a functioning democracy e.g. UK, Brazil, Biden US, Germany, South Africa…
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 day ago
X is challenging the legal order in court btw:
x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1920426409358455081
Just like they have done and are doing in basically every country that makes legal demands like this.
Ulrich@feddit.org 14 hours ago
The context is in the article in the OP. It doesn’t really matter. Elon is notoriously apathetic about the law. He could choose not to comply as he does so very often and realistically face very little in the way of repercussions. But that’s how little he actually cares about free speech.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 6 hours ago
The context is extremely important in this one. It changes the sentiment from “Musk is censoring the political opposition because he supports the government” to “Musk complied with the legal demands so as to not have to remove X from the entire country of Turkey, and is fighting the demands in court as he says they are censorship”.
X is now notoriously law abiding, but also notorious for fighting against government ordered censorship in court. They comply with legal orders so as to not face legal trouble, and then file legal challenges - even going so far as to pay for and help with legal challenges for individuals who the government are censoring.
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
Complying with the incumbent to silence opposition is a political decision.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 day ago
Complying with the incumbent to silence opposition is a political decision.
No it’s not. Did you even read the linked X Global Affairs post?
Lack of compliance with these orders can lead to severe sanctions, including throttling of the entire platform in Türkiye. X complied with the court order while we challenge the order in court because we believe keeping the platform accessible in Türkiye is vital to supporting freedom of expression and access to information, particularly following natural disasters and other emergencies.
It’s not a political decision, it’s a legal one. If they don’t comply then the entire site can legally be banned from the entire country, for example.
OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 20 hours ago
He was prisoned on corruption charges before, which were just government funds being moved
THX1138@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
Memba when Elon Fuck said it would be a town square where everyone can speak out?
madjo@feddit.nl 1 day ago
Only people that Stinky agrees with.
Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 1 day ago
He needs a Blu Sky account ASAP
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 day ago
BlueSky would ban his account as well. It was banned in Turkey because of a legal request by the Turkish government. If they don’t comply there are huge legal consequences.
Deceptichum@quokk.au 22 hours ago
No, he needs a Mastodon account ASAP.
BlueSky has the exact same issue as Twitter, corporate control.
JoMiran@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
I saw the headline and for a split second got excited for X-Com news. Instead, I got xitter.
Z3k3@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Honestly whomever owns the ip these days should do something about it. Also glad to see I’m not the only one hired wired for the game franchise
griD@feddit.org 1 day ago
Jake Solomon left Firaxis in 2023. Don’t know if there is anything in the pipeline over there.
(And if there is anything, please let i be Apocalypse 2.0)
prakaharjun@ani.social 21 hours ago
panathea@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
Free speech absolutism at work
WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Fascist speech absolutism at work
madjo@feddit.nl 1 day ago
To Der Elon that’s the same thing.
danc4498@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It’s frustrating that we knew he was full of shit when he was saying it. And now the evidence is showing it is bullshit. And it’s like it doesn’t even matter.
Ulrich@feddit.org 14 hours ago
We knew it was bullshit about 3 days after he took over when he banned literally the 1 person he specifically said he was not going to ban.
Merva@sh.itjust.works 20 hours ago
They know they can do that sort of shit because they hold the power. They can blatantly and unconvincingly lie, their followers will regurgitate those lies, but neither of them really believe them. They are just posturing and having fun with words, just like fascists always have done.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 day ago
x.com/GlobalAffairs/status/1920426409358455081
“full of shit” = “standing up for free speech against governments that are trying to censor political opponents” ?
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 1 day ago
Do you know how legal requests work?