almost all the subs that “are women” are basically astroturfed by men, or some of them are male users posting as a “woman”
Are there any Lemmy/Mbin instances by women for women?
Submitted 11 months ago by tfm@europe.pub to fediverse@lemmy.world
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Ledericas@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Even if not, you can create one :3
tfm@europe.pub 11 months ago
I’m not a woman
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Even if not, you can become one
vga@sopuli.xyz 11 months ago
Can somebody explain to me a thing about anti-feminism? As a man, even from an extremely cold, objective, all-for-me approach I cannot understand what I stand to gain by this.
frog_brawler@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The complaints that I’ve heard (from previous co-workers) are that feminism was fine until sometime around the late 2000’s, but around that time it morphed into something that was anti-men.
Tja@programming.dev 11 months ago
The weaker and more dependent from a man a woman is, the less likely she will have her own opinions, desires or plans, and less likely she will be to leave the insecure men who want this.
pr0sp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
It’s a very sectorized movement that fight only for their interests. It’s also a platform for future political figures. Maybe feminism has more sense the past century, but these days I don’t know what their goals are. They say equity yet they ask government for positive discrimination in order to enter to jobs (in my country that is called positive discrimination, the funny thing is that I declared non-binary (?) and I am automatically with more points than straight xD). Yet there exists some violence, for example sexual harrasement, but how you control a fucking degenerate loser? Maybe police? The other things I’m not buying it. You aren’t earning less than men, if that was the case companies only hire women, I would do that. Not enough women in leadership? but I think leadership is a singular quality, a personal quality, not everyone can be a leader. I don’t even get what are microaggressions, are you sure you are not oversensitive? Mansplaining, so I can’t be a teacher because I am a man and I am explaining concepts? wot? I am not buying that sht.
bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
Nothing. The only people that gain anything from strict gender roles are the rich, and they use them to create disparities and depress wages.
Konkyer@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yep - It really is divide and conquer by the rich. Look at ‘the culture wars’, they will stoke anything to high hell if it gets poor people to hate each other.
FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Be the change you wish to see in the world.
It really comes down to this: if you want your own space for particular interests, you should create one and find likeminded people to populate it. Just waiting for it to magically appear isn’t going to work. Be assertive.
tfm@europe.pub 11 months ago
This was just a post to see if there already is something like described
Nexy@lemmy.sdf.org 11 months ago
The femcel channel need more people if you like that type of humor
Lemgen@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Create one!
umbraroze@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
Speaking in general: Creating communities/instances is easy. Moderating them is hard.
In particular: I would love to create women’s spaces. But then I’d have to be on the lookout for the Knights of the True Fedora. They’re out there. Somewhere. Now now, I’m not suggesting it’d be a daily problem! …But the actual daily problems would suck too.
CheeseToastie@lazysoci.al 11 months ago
I’m in charge of !WomensStuff@lazysoci.al I’ve got to say the vast majority of men have been fantastically supportive! Odd comment and spite downvote but it’s manageable
pr0sp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Why you want to create division?
stevedice@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Because of you.
FearMeAndDecay@literature.cafe 11 months ago
There’s a Midwest focused instance and I wouldn’t call that division. They’re not trying to exclude East and west coasters. They don’t hate southerners. It’s just similar people gathering to talk about the things they have in common, which in this instance are midwesterner things. It’s the same for women. It’d be nice to have a place to talk about things that women have in common and experience that men don’t. If it was anything like the 2XChromosomes subreddit then men wouldn’t be banned, and plenty of men comment, it’s just that the topic of conversation focuses on women and women’s experiences. Having a place for people, especially women, to talk about women’s issues and experiences isn’t anymore divisive than having a midwestern instance or a European instance. And it would be a good place for men to look into to learn more about what life is like as a woman. If men feel they don’t have a place to talk about men’s problems, then they should also make an instance specifically for talking about men’s experiences
pr0sp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
I agree, but you shall not criticize if men want to do that. You don’t have the right also. The problem is there is a lot of people that does the same…
misteloct@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Women need a space to communicate with other women, men can’t completely understand the unique experience, challenges and culture women have within literally every culture and sometimes we need only those who understand to listen. Men, be an ally to women and shut up, let them have a safe space.
pr0sp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Yeah, not buying that.
ameancow@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Ask the people who make shared spaces uncomfortable for particular groups of people.
pr0sp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
What does that even mean? What kind of spaces and how you are supposed to be uncomfortable?
callyral@pawb.social 11 months ago
It’s not division. It’s federation, what the Fediverse is for.
pr0sp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Well, there are Feds that ban other Feds, I mean you are free to do so, but it’s division…
StarlightDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Lemmy has an undeniable woman problem that it carried over from Reddit. I’ve lost count of the number of pathetic blokes that I have blocked on here for anti feminism.
AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
yep it’s pretty horrible. any time gender issues are brought up there’s dozens of comments saying “what about the men” and completely missing the point
Hupf@feddit.org 11 months ago
bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 11 months ago
The response to “what about men” comments is, we’re already talking about men when we talk about misogyny. Misandry and misogyny are the exact same problem, strictly enforced gender roles. If you deviate, you are punished. The men that are caregivers are derided just like the women that refuse to rear children. Every other related paradigm punches down into the people who do not conform. Stoicism in men, histrionics in women.
Either is a foil for the other and it’s exactly the same bullshit.
KeenFlame@feddit.nu 11 months ago
What about them
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 11 months ago
As a guy, I do recognise that men are disadvantaged in many areas and need to be put on equal footing with women-- like courts disproportionately award custody of children to mothers, regardless of how unfit the mother is to be a caregiver. But broadly speaking from my pespective, women are still at more disadvantage. I used to live in a bad part of my city for many years and have had little to no issues. However, it is a different story from women I spoke who got harrased, and another hit on the head. They said they will avoid going to the city ever again. I remember sharing the accounts of these women to other men, and the men were surprised because their experience is the complete opposite. Women are still seen as weak. And in the corporate hierarchy, men (of tall statures) disproportionately make up the board of directors and executive roles.
mholiv@lemmy.world 11 months ago
100%
It’s really bad and lemmy is really in denial.
Sexism here is much worse than it was on Reddit.
It feels like 2008 Reddit here sexism wise, except instead of Ron Paul libertarians tooting their horns everywhere we have heavy teacher vehicle enthusiasts.
I did hope lemmy having a left leaning culture would help but it does not.
Konkyer@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Some instances have a left-leaning culture. Lemmy.world definitively does not.
drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 11 months ago
you mean the comments that have been downvoted to the bottom?
misteloct@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Oh yea? One time I got kicked in the balls and it kinda hurt. Women have it soooo easy.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Try making any post that focuses on situations uniquely or disproportionally experienced by women and you get mostly “what about men” or “men have it worst” responses.
that’s kind of just how controversial things are on the internet though.
Evens shitposting from men will get similar responses from women, it’s just how it is now. Sort of always has been.
LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Youre absolutely welcome to join Blahaj zone. Our wonderful administration team (both of whom are women) bans misogyny whenever it comes around to our communities. The mods for our main communities share a very aggressive moderation policy.
Konkyer@lemmy.world 11 months ago
As much as I appreciate the community and users, there are (or at least were) serious moderation problems on Blahaj, I did not feel safe there when I tried it a year or two ago.
LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
I definitely cannot agree. I encourage anyone who has any issues with moderation to make a post in the Blahaj meta community. Ada and Kaity have been spectacular and have responded to every issue I have come across. There are limits, they can’t preemptively prevent any kind of moderation issue but they respond quickly.
Lemminary@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Pfft, I’d say overly aggressive to a fault. It’s not a good thing when they’re banning people for a passing comment where the worst offence is “gatekeeping” rather than something that matters.
Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
Probably the … fourth-worst well known instance. Idk if that’s a good suggestion.
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
also our wonderful admin kaity did what the lemmy devs couldn’t and nuked the dm spam :)
StarlightDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
It really seems like instance admins tend to do a much better job with a lot of stuff on here than the core devs. Its a shame that forking would take as much work as it would.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
They also ban real users instead of the people literally calling their gender “dragonfucker” and “attack helicopter”
The blahaj admins are trolls
sudo@programming.dev 11 months ago
The pronoun was just “drag”. PJ is the one who kept calling them “dragonfucker”. You can go read dragonriders comments instead of just repeating gossip.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
“dragonfucker” and “attack helicopter”
i mean, if they’re doing it as a haha funny, i see no harm, but if they’re also being assholes, i think that takes precedent. You aren’t legally required to fill in your gender tagging appropriately so.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 11 months ago
They also turn a blind eye to misandry.
Cryophilia@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I give Ada a lot of credit. In the early days, I had the following interaction:
TOPIC: Something about sexual/gender preferences, I don’t remember, asking people their preferences
Me: responds with my preferences (I’m straight cis male, I like women so I’m down with post-transition trans women but pre-transition don’t turn me on)
Some random user: respectfully asks if I would be willing to date a pre-transition trans man
Me: I guess, but it probably wouldn’t work due to the fact that what I like about their body, they hate
Some of those professionally offended people took a misleading screenshot of my response and started screaming about “chasers”.
Ada did an admin post to the community backing me up and calling those idiots out.
So unless she’s changed a lot, I don’t think she’s a troll. It would have been easy to go with the mob but she stuck up for me.
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 11 months ago
Lemmy is aimed at pleasing all of humanity.
Asking for a women-centric flavor of any site is parallel to asking for a version with less men. If you’re implying there is a difference to the interests of both, I’d love to show you the Greg’s Anatomy sub.
misteloct@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Neigh, Lemmy is aimed at pleasing all the world.
I am species blind. Asking for a species-centric flavor of any site is parallel to asking for a version with less horses. If you’re implying there is a difference to the interests of both, I’d love to show you equestrian sports.
There is literally nothing different between any species, gender, or even a rock. Women, Men. Heck 1 + 1 = 3. Everything is exactly the same. It’s a soup of protons. It’s all the same!
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
i mean, i don’t see anything necessarily wrong with it though.
It’s like making a linux specific lemmy instance, or an anarchist focused lemmy instance (the one im on)
it might go against the principles of lemmy, but there’s nothing inherently wrong with it.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
I think there are differences in the interests of both. Can you explain your argument here, without super obscure references?
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 11 months ago
We just shouldn’t consider either gender’s interests as stereotypes. Also, if a community becomes one or the other “centric”, then on some level, it’s exclusionary.
Enzy@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Onlyfans
pr0sp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
I could be antifeminist, I try to fight feminism with arguments, but you are only a fucking idiot.
Enzy@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Instead you resort to insults!
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
If they’re tired of getting hit on or oppressed all the time then the communities for women on Lemmy might not be an upgrade. /joke
MITM0@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Reddit is pretty pro-female, what is this riddiculous gaslighting ?
kuato@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You’ve gotten banned from four instances already for misogyny. I wonder how long before your own instance bans you.
pr0sp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Oh he should be very scared…
MITM0@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Why did I get banned I wonder, yes because I questioned them asked for evidence & they provided none
BTW, I blocked those instances as well
Irelephant@lemm.ee 11 months ago
bar yourself?
MITM0@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Go home & take a nap, you need it
Tonuka@feddit.org 11 months ago
please don’t call women “females”
bishbosh@lemm.ee 11 months ago
pretty pro-female
opinion discarded
Diva@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
hexbear is heavily transfem and bans aggressively for misogyny/transphobia. Spending some time there when their recent domain crisis defederated from the rest of Lemmy was actually quite relaxing
Irelephant@lemm.ee 11 months ago
You are right, but a lot of people want to avoid politics.
ZeffSyde@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I want there to be a witchesvspatreiarchy here, but I’m a dude and it’d be messed up if I started it.
FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
Lemmy,blahaj,zone is run by Ada, who is a woman
MECHAGODZILLA2@midwest.social 11 months ago
The comments here make me very disappointed in our little corner of the internet. If anyone wants this but doesn’t know how, neither do I but I’d be happy help.
Jhex@lemmy.world 11 months ago
it’s called pinterest
DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
I’m on .ml, but I don’t engage in any Marxist-Leninist communities. So it doesn’t really matter on what instance you’re on.
Cryophilia@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Most of the fediverse is male, and there’s a significant trans woman space, but there’s no spaces that really cater to cis women or to trans men specifically that I’ve seen.
And yes, I think it’s reasonable to look for a space that is strongly (though not exclusively) cis-woman, in the same way that a Protestant would feel out of place in a Catholic community, even though they’re all Christian. I imagine most cis women feel the same way as I (a cis man) feel when going to blahaj - like a friendly, allied visitor in a foreign land.
Ulrich@feddit.org 11 months ago
Pardon my ignorance but what would be the point of that? You can sign up on any instance and participate in any women’s communities. It’s not like there’s any way to verify the user’s gender anyway.
carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 months ago
its kinda sad how one of the biggest women’s community on the lemmy/main side of fedi is !femcelmemes@lemmy.blahaj.zone…
i mean, it’s a great community, but yea.
SirSamuel@lemmy.world 11 months ago
TW: crude and insensitive joke (hopefully the spoiler tag works lol)
! It’s funny, blahaj.zone is full of pussies, and .ml is full of cunts, and yet there’s no dedicated space for women !<
Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 11 months ago
lemmy.blahaj.zone has a decent amount of women and both their admins are women, it’s not a “women’s space” as one would describe since everyone is welcome there but it’s probably the closest thing one would describe as an instance “by women for women”. I am obligated to mention that it is a queer instance and that many of the women there are either trans themselves or strongly supportive of trans people, and do not tolerate transphobia or anti-LGBT sentiment (including refusal to support LGBTQ people) at all.
Taleya@aussie.zone 11 months ago
Depends. You looking for a woman’s apace…or a terf space?
Binette@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
I was thinking of making one, but I’m not a woman, so I’ll think of something else
Eiri@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
But like what even is a social media for women? I wasn’t aware the ones we currently have were for men
Snoopy@piefed.social 11 months ago
I find this idea pretty cool, i hope they will succeed to achieve that. Imo, we lack diversity on the forum6erse except maybe mastodon.
It would provide an additional layer, another governance, they could also benefit a lot from local community and can check vote...Other have already mentionned good example with blahaj, beehaw.
On the other hand, it will render the instance more visible.
Owlboi@lemm.ee 11 months ago
how would they stop men from participating?
CheeseToastie@lazysoci.al 11 months ago
Yep we have !WomensStuff@lazysoci.al its a women only community by women for women.