What a wild time to be alive
Full Circle
Submitted 4 days ago by phudgins@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 4 days ago
papalonian@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Because when you’re the one who “came up” with it, it’s usually a pretty sweet ride, provided you can weather the revolutions and stuff.
parody@lemmings.world 4 days ago
Ooooh sorry weathering revolutions isn’t part of our Fascism ‘25 package - that was extra :-/
Would you be interested in our selection of neck guards?
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
I blame the French, before them damned near every Germanic society had a broadly democratic tribal or clan based system. Then the French combined that with Roman autocratic systems and somehow created an early version of Divine right of kings and a form of proto absolutism. Yes I am glossing over a tonne of shit but compare the French estates to the clusterfuck that was the Holy Roman Diet and it’s like comparing a member of the English Royal guard to a Somalian pirate.
GladiusB@lemmy.world 4 days ago
I blame greed. It doesn’t matter where it came from. It’s some bullshit.
iheartneopets@lemm.ee 3 days ago
Always a safe bet to blame the fr*nch
sgbrain7@lemm.ee 3 days ago
what ever happened to respecting your fellow humans and treating them as people?
stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
Fascism is on the rise in Europe too so maybe go to Japan or something
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 3 days ago
The far-right in Europe seems to have lost momentum a bit-- for now. The far-right parties in government in Sweden and Netherlands proved themselves incompetent and lost support. The support on German AfD stagnated. Meloni has shown to be more moderate than expected (well, not quite but that’s a long story). And Le Pen has been prosecuted, but I think this is not enough to actually kill the French far-right movement so long as the French government still practice neoliberal policies. But I think the major factor that made Europeans think twice now about gravitating towards fascism is after witnessing the shit show in America and Musk’s overt election interference in Europe. I should not be laughing, but what a laugh the three months of Trump administration has been!
SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Incompetence, it seems, is what is valued here in America to go up the ranks.
sgbrain7@lemm.ee 3 days ago
that’s actually a bit reassuring to know
BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
They’re extremely racist, which is a huge plus, just like the Swiss flag 🇨🇭
Bloomcole@lemm.ee 3 days ago
Like plenty countries, but it only becomes a problem when it’s also against whites.
stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
True. Australia and New Zealand are our last hope
Bloomcole@lemm.ee 3 days ago
Saying that could be seen as extremely racist of you.
fin@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
As a Japanese, I think Japan has always been a fascists’ country. The flavor of nazism did change from Germany one to American one after WW2, though
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Japanese are starting to hate gaijin. Because of disrespectful tourists and “influencers”.
Brandonazz@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Starting? Japan has a long, proud history of xenophobia.
nico198X@feddit.nl 3 days ago
still, EU countries have far superior electoral systems than the US to help mitigate the rise and influence of Fascism.
Bloomcole@lemm.ee 3 days ago
They even have multiple parties and an Overton window wider than only right to extreme-right!
stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
yeah we have this thing called democracy it’s pretty cool
Saleh@feddit.org 3 days ago
That is if the other parties aren’t largely complicit. Looking at you Germany, Denmark, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Italy, Poland, Hungary…
Bloomcole@lemm.ee 3 days ago
Japan has its own fascists.
randomname@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
yes, the country famous for being accepting of foreigners, that is also known for a high standard of living…
stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
ok then move to mars, final offer
MajesticElevator@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
Embrace pedophilia 😵
HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 days ago
What a disgusting thing to say. Also, a little racist.
cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de 4 days ago
The fascism was within you the whole time.
ColdSideOfYourPillow@piefed.social 4 days ago
The fascism was the
friendsenemies we made along the way.untorquer@lemmy.world 3 days ago
The fascism was the friends we massacred along the way.
HowAbt2morrow@futurology.today 4 days ago
Like the force and the dark side and shit?
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 3 days ago
i have come to the conclusion that there is a god and a heaven, alright, but it’s a cruel place that i would never ever ever want to go to. ever
Hikuro93@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Europe accepts its sons and daughters of long ago. Specially the talented ones who contributed to empowering science in the US.
Let’s call it a loan repayment.
iheartneopets@lemm.ee 3 days ago
I wish the first part were actually true, on the bureaucratic level. Sadly it is quite difficult to emigrate to the EU
Bloomcole@lemm.ee 3 days ago
How are they great?
Their economy is going to shit, they have a massive right-wing party, are complete warmongers and supporters of genocide.
demizerone@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Until we undo capitalism, we are going to have these 80 year cycles
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I mean, the cycle started with the implementation of capitalism. Italy was functionally feudalistic (particularly in the southern territories) until the mid-19th century, with state power relegated to a hodgepodge of principalities. It’s only really been a unified country since 1870 and lagged on industrialization until the Cold War Era, when the US Marshall Plan made it an industrial and shipping beachhead for NATO-bloc manufacturing and trade (as well as a military base to strike out at North Africa and the Middle East).
The waves of Italian immigrants weren’t fleeing capitalism. They were fleeing the two World Wars and the industrial collapse of Europe. Americans, by contrast, won’t experience the same immediate socio-economic pressures to leave. So I suspect a lot of the reverse-migration we’ll see to Italy will be coming from an American middle class seeking to retire into a post-industrial retirement playground rather than an Italian underclass seeking gainful employment and safety from chronic civil wars and invasions.
IceFoxX@lemm.ee 2 days ago
What would be the alternative? Socialism and thus the standstill of further development? It would have to be extremely state-regulated capitalism. But above all taxes! So on the rich. Democracies would have to be able to protect their own form of government… but they didn’t think about it when they were founded because everyone was happy about the positive outcome. So that our democracies are attacked from within. Above all, America needed to regulate tech companies more. Tax havens should be prevented, etc. Capitalism itself promotes further development. It just needs to be protected from abuse. Private individuals should never have too much money and therefore automatically have power.
loonsun@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Why would socialist halt development?
S_H_K@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
Uruguay has a pretty easy system you can make a request of residence and it seems that usually go through. Americans do not need a visa to come but if you prepare the paperwork is easier…
Lightsong@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Tell me more about Uruguay. What’s irs like over there, standard of living etc.
kboy101222@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
A quick scan of Wikipedia shows there’s an actual left wing party currently in power that was formerly led by a guerilla fighter during the military occupation of the country in the 80s
As well they legalized abortions in 2012 and weed and same sex marriage in 2013
It’s got a 3 branch government similar to America
Economy seems stable, Internet seems good.
Guess it’s time to start learning Portuguese or Spanish!
Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
Best option on Latin America on pretty much any standard. Progressive laws, good weather - main negative thing I can think of is that rent can be quite expensive. I’ve considered moving there in the past but my Spanish is awful.
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Only issue is crime has gotten worse there over the years
Shardikprime@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Immigration has increased too as well
wander1236@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
Your family brought the curse with them
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 3 days ago
wait isn’t there some christian story about exactly that … 🤔
Enzy@lemm.ee 2 days ago
Welcome to the fuck america club
Leave your guns at the door
x3x3@lemm.ee 1 day ago
And be one with the nanny state
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I was imaging this meme just last week, while my wife finished renewing her Italian passport and stuffing a bugout bag full of Euros.
My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Fontasia@feddit.nl 3 days ago
“The belief that America stands for an idea beyond blood and soil makes its identity fragile, because an idea lives in people’s minds, where it is subject to lies, hatred, ignorance, despair, even extinction. But for this very reason, as long as enough Americans continue to believe in the idea with enough conviction to stick it out here and fight, the country that you and I once lived in will still exist for the generation after us.”
The belief that a country should exist purely for nostalgic purposes is the kind of bullshit that got us here in the first place. Countries started existing so that a monach could control resources and worker productivity. Now they are used as a default identity for people to try and connect on some level. If you don’t treat the identity as fragile, sure it can never ‘die’, but it can’t improve or change either.
InversionOfControl@lemmy.world 3 days ago
My family moved from the US to Australia during the end of his first term. We had considered it for a couple years prior but we had hope Trumpism would die by the end of his first term. Then Covid hit. Then the American right made political statements out of medical concerns like vaccines and masks. At that point, we had enough. I’m immunocompromised, and she was a non-citizen permanent resident. Neither of us felt safe in my home country anymore so we stated the immigration process for me for my wife’s country, Australia.
As we wrapped up our life in Colorado, when we saw 79 million people vote to re-elect the traitor in Nov 2020, we knew we had made the right call to leave. A few months later he attempted to overthrow the government and install himself as unelected dictator. Our house sold a few weeks later and we left the US 2 months after that.
The rule of law is dead in the US now, and I couldn’t be happier with our decision to leave. Just yesterday I read an article about ICE arresting and deporting a green card holding Australian upon his return from a funeral in Aus. That could have been my wife. Fuck that.
Best decision ever.
themaninblack@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Same. I bought my ticket the day after the second election. If you’re in Melbourne let’s have a Freedom Beer
My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I want to leave to ensure the safety of those closest to me.
But I also want to stay and fight like hell.
Unfortunately, even if the immediate fascism were beaten back, I have very little faith in anything but capitochristofascism’s resolve to continue to be absolutely shitty, and general American ignoarrogance to reign supreme, for the rest of my life.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 3 days ago
roko’s basilisk or sth
MECHAGODZILLA2@midwest.social 3 days ago
Agreed. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out, cowards.
WorkshopBubby@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
good ass meme
sunflowercowboy@feddit.org 2 days ago
[deleted]ivanafterall@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Huh? The rich people are creating the discomfort? The meek definitely aren’t inheriting the world?
sunflowercowboy@feddit.org 2 days ago
No the uber rich creat discomfort, the rich instead move than rectify it with their weight.
It’s why theyre able to run, and the meek must inherit their suffering. Too afraid to live and face the adversity.
The meek have no choice but to inherit your suffering you abandoned and rise. Why do you think europe is capable of being ran to? The peopl stayed and worked it.
Only the rich think you can run from tyranny, and only the meek know what it means to submit without wanting. Bloodshed will be regardless, but good men fear to lose their right and bad men hope to gain righteousness.
Do something more than coward is my mentality.
Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Full circle indeed.
If shit hits the fan, company of heroes 4 will finally have something new instead of another WW2 thingy
Shardikprime@lemmy.world 3 days ago
The type of people who think like this, believe wholeheartedly that everything that doesn’t conform to their mindset is fascism/Nazism/[insert -ism you don’t like here]
You might not like it, but that’s how it is
Thinking like this will make you find fascism wherever you go. You’ll find it in Gaza, in Iran , Japan, Greenland. You will find it in your parents , your neighbor, your kids, street signs, China, in Bernie Sanders office, chatting with Obama, having dinner with Kamala, in opera, with monks, inside the ISS, even fucking Antarctica.
Make yourself a favor and maybe think for a while before leaving your country to poison others:
“if everywhere I go smells like fascism, is it them? Or maybe, just maybe, is it me”?
ch00f@lemmy.world 4 days ago
/pedant the term would be “emigrating”
Lumidaub@feddit.org 4 days ago
Specifically the second one.
immigrate from Europe
emigrate to Europe
HK65@sopuli.xyz 4 days ago
Depends on your viewpoint.
Emigrate from Europe and immigrate to Europe is also a valid way to look at it.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
According to Etymonline,
Immigrate = in- “into, in, on, upon” from PIE root *en + migrare “to move” from PIE root *mei
Emigrate = assimilated form of ex- “out” + migrare “to move” from PIE root *mei
So I guess to correct usage would be:
Immigrating to Europe/US
Emigrating from Europe/US
MisterFrog@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Just my two cents, not having a go at you:
This is why I’m a pragmatic prescriptivist, I want people to follow norms for ease of communication, unless their innovation fills a need/fixes something about the language.
Stupid english with its stupid verbs.
We’ve got “to” and “from” why do we need to have two differently spelt verbs for basically the same thing.
Sure, you could argue that you can just say “they are emigrating” to imply people are leaving the country permanently, but let’s be honest, not providing any other context it’s practically unheard of. You’ll at least be saying where they currently are, came from, or going to, unless you’re being very abstract. Even then, you couls say “the migrants were immigrating” to be very vague about it. Both immigrating and emigrating involve moving, wtf is the point?
I’m glad few people “properly” use “emigrate” these days. Let’s kill it, it’s redundant!
I may have even gotten the difference wrong, but I’m not gonna look it up since I don’t want to use it anyway haha
Illecors@lemmy.cafe 3 days ago
I, personally, like a language being rich. Nothing wrong with not knowing all the ins and outs, but calling for simplification on what is already an very simple language is odd.
scholar@lemmy.world 3 days ago
How about just ‘migrate’ and ‘migrating’?
milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 3 days ago
I think there’s a richness in being able to shift or emphasize perspective like that. And a poetry, for want of a better word, that comes with that.
‘Coming’ and ‘going’ do the same shift. “I’m coming to Europe; they’re coming from Europe,” feels just a bit stilted to me, though that’s subjective I suppose.
If you want to get rid of immigrate Vs emigrate, maybe we just talk about ‘migrate’.
And scrap ‘coming’ and ‘going’ for ‘moving’.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 3 days ago
i think you use “emigrating” when leaving their homes behind, but here it is part of the joke that they no longer see the US as their home. instead, they’re seeing europe/whatever other country as their new “home”, so they’re immigrating.
Bloomcole@lemm.ee 3 days ago
Do you imagine some kind of deeper meaning wrapped in a joke in it?
The more likely explanation is that plenty Americans have poor literacy.
Even plenty of ‘their’ ‘there’ mistakes. Elemental English.
manucode@infosec.pub 4 days ago
But only in the first sentence